Trump era: Fascist dawn, or road to liberation?

sToRmR1dR

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'One of the REAL issue is US' oil smuggling in Syria... Did you discuss about this REAL issue?...'

11 Dec, 2019

'A trap for China.'

11.12.2019
 

goyacobol

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'One of the REAL issue is US' oil smuggling in Syria... Did you discuss about this REAL issue?...'
@sToRmR1dR ,

That is a good question. I did not hear anyone ask it in the two articles or the video. Unfortunately, we here were not there to ask such questions. It may still be a "real" issue but positions can change very quickly in such a way that it could be a moot point if other more important questions arise.

It is always refreshing to hear the sane voice of Lavrov explain the REAL issues and facts from the Russian point of view.

The questions do matter I think. It is just which questions should we ask?

Session 31 December 1997
Q: (Ark) I would like to know if it is at all relevant, because a lot of things happen that are irrelevant for the future?

A: It is. [break for New Year's]

Q: It is now 1998. Do you guys have any predictions or comments for the new year?

A: In Pensacola, for but one example, it is still only 1997.

Q: Very cute! Okay, so it is not new year around the entire globe, and you have made your point about time. However, soon, everyone will agree that it is 1998, and then it will be, in fact, 1998. So, do you have, for those waiting with baited breath, anything to say about the upcoming year. Of course, I know all the psychics and channels are busily posting all their direful predictions about photon belts, null zones and whatever... a whole new series of dates for this will come, I expect...

A: Are you not yet tiring of such drivel?

Q: Yes, I am extremely tired of such drivel, but you have given some very good predictions in the past, and some that were dead wrong. And, speaking of dead wrong predictions, let me ask: on one occasion you said that the number of people left alive after the flood of Noah was 19 million and on another occasion you said 119 million. Now which is the correct figure?

A: Either.

Q: Well, it can't be either!

A: Yes it can... all is as the perceiver perceives.

Q: I think I liked you better when you were a little more linear!

A: We never were. As that is not for you. Not any more than it is for the company executive to don diapers!

Q: Yes, but... I feel like we are going around in circles and we get vague answers. Yes, we understand the necessity for such answers in some cases, but there are other things going on that we would like to deal with in a little more direct manner.

A: You get into trouble when you presuppose the nature of the answers to the questions.
 

Pashalis

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There is something that went through my mind on several occasions that I think hasn't been mentioned before. It seems to me that Trump could very well be not the first and last Trump that runs for president. He could be the first in a dynasty of Trumps attempting the highest office in the US.

Trump has five children: Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, Tiffany Trump and Barron Trump. At least two, namely Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, have been very much involved in politics and their fathers business (Invanka also, but not so much on the political front).

Seems to me that both Eric and Trump Jr. have been raised to follow and would be willing to attempt to follow in their fathers footsteps. If you haven't seen it before, here as some interviews with both of them and their father:




Donald Trump Jr. also published his first book last month with the title:

Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us

I think there is a good likelihood that we will see at least one more Trump attempting the precidency in the future.
 
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PopHistorian

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There is something that went through my mind on several occasions that I think hasn't been mentioned before. It seems to me that Trump could very well be not the first and last Trump that runs for president. He could be the first in a dynasty of Trumps attempting the highest office in the US.
I believe Donald Trump Jr. has already publicly mused, some time ago, about running for president, to be considered when his children are older. Then, there are also articles like this: Trump Jr being groomed to run for president as family seeks a White House ‘dynasty’: report

In an interview with the Times of London, Eric Trump said that although he has no political ambitions himself, he believes his older brother does.

When asked if there could be a Trump family dynasty, Eric replied, “Oh sure.”

In 2018, The Guardian reported that Trump Jr. had not only become a skilled fundraiser for his father’s reelection campaign — he also has been regularly called upon by supporters to run for president himself.
 

angelburst29

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The U.S. Senate is having a field day creating havoc in Washington and stirring the pot towards an Impeachment of President Trump. On the other hand, Russian President Putin denounces the Impeachment as based on "fabricated" lies.

President Trump impeached in Historic Vote by sharply divided House (Videos)
President Trump impeached in historic vote by sharply divided House

‎December‎ ‎18‎, ‎2019‎ ‎8‎:‎35‎ ‎PM ‎- WASHINGTON — Donald Trump became the third sitting president in U.S. history to be impeached, as the House of Representatives approved on Wednesday the two articles of impeachment against him: that he abused the power of his office by pressuring Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election on his behalf, and that he obstructed Congress in its inquiry.

The House approved the first article of impeachment, on abuse of power, by a vote of 230 to 197 at 8:34 p.m. after a daylong debate. Of the 233 Democrats, 228 voted in favor, along with the House’s one Independent. Two Democrats opposed the measure. No Republicans voted in favor.

Eighteen minutes later, the second article, charging obstruction of Congress, passed by a vote of 229 to 198 with three Democrats voting no, and again no Republicans in favor.

[...] The impeachment vote was the culmination of a process that began in early August when a whistleblower filed a complaint to the inspector general of the intelligence community, alleging that Trump pressured Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to open an investigation into a political rival. The report became public in mid-September.

[...] The only other two presidents to be impeached in American history are Andrew Johnson, in 1868, and Bill Clinton, in 1998. Both survived their Senate trials and served out their terms. The House began impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon in 1973, but Nixon resigned before he was impeached.

House impeaches Trump for abuse of power

Putin says impeachment case against Trump is 'fabricated'
Russian President Vladimir Putin gestures during his annual end-of-year news conference in Moscow, Russia December 19, 2019. REUTERS/Evgenia Novozhenina
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that U.S. Democrats had impeached President Donald Trump for "fabricated" reasons in order to reverse his 2016 election victory.

Russia's Putin expects Trump to survive impeachment proceedings
FILE PHOTO: Russian President Vladimir Putin attends his annual end-of-year news conference in Moscow, Russia December 19, 2019. REUTERS/Evgenia Novozhenina
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday he expects his U.S. counterpart Donald Trump's to remain in office despite the House of Representatives voting to impeach Trump on Wednesday.

U.S. Congress pressures Trump to renew Russia arms control pact

U.S. lawmakers of both parties are pressuring the White House to extend the last remaining restraints on U.S. and Russian nuclear weapons deployments by demanding intelligence assessments on the costs of allowing the New START treaty to lapse.

U.S. Senate passes resolution recognizing Armenian genocide, angering Turkey
12-12- 2019 - The U.S. Senate on Thursday unanimously passed a resolution that recognizes as a genocide the mass killings of Armenians a century ago, a historic move that infuriated Turkey and dealt a blow to the already problematic ties between Ankara and Washington.

Trump administration refrains from endorsing U.S. Senate measure on Armenian Genocide
The Trump administration on Tuesday refrained from endorsing a resolution passed by the U.S. Senate recognizing as a genocide the mass killings of Armenians a century ago, saying it continued to see them as "mass atrocities."
 

angelburst29

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“We are not here to curse the darkness, but to light the candle that can guide us through that darkness to a safe and sane future.” – John F. Kennedy



“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - Dr. King
 

Oxajil

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A comedian I follow on FB wrote: "History reveals the rest of the country rallies around the impeached president when it is strictly a political process. Therefore, Trump will now win in a landslide. The rest of the US does not agree there are any atrocities committed by this administration, only the political far left who want power and will stop at nothing to steal it. Not that the Democrats had a chance with a bumbling 80 year old fool, a fake Native American, and a couple of mayors from some small college towns."

The whole impeachment circus could be another case of shooting oneself in the foot...
 

bjorn

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This was fun to watch 😄

During Trump's Christmas rally in Michigan, The president brutally mocked Bill Clinton and "Crooked" Hillary, asking the crowd if they think Bill calls her "Crooked Hillary" or just "Crooked?"


Later during the rally a liberal protestor showed up and started screaming and flicking off the President. Trump, never to let something like this go, had a response which made the crowd go wild.

 

Voyageur

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It is not usual that Breibart is checked on a regular bases, and yet noticed this the other day - Ted Cruz commenting on a 1.4 Trillion dollar bill signed in by President Trump. The bill is like an Omnibus bill in our country - a spending law stacked with bills within, and the main thing approves government funding through 2020, while last year it was recalled that this was not immediately pushed through - the results were there to see. So I'm guess that this year (despite what was in the bill) was was pushed through due to the whole impeachment sham moving to the Senate - it's a way of appealing to the Senate (specific senators) in this Congress drafted bill (keeping the peace), yet with what specifically (sounds like not many people have read it) is in the bill it is not exactly in character with Trump's platform.

As for Cruz, I've a sense of what he represents and of what he has done and said in the past, and not all good, yet giving him his dues here.


So here Ted Cruze is not happy as the article cites:
...“Deals cut in the dead of night,” Cruz asserted in a Twitter video message this week that summarized some of the provisions in the spending package:

The senator said the spending deal benefits the “lobbyists who are bankrupting this country,” and told CBS 11 it represents “lobbyists’ Christmas present.”

“While you were with your family, shopping for Christmas, the lobbyists were spending and spending,” Cruz said in his video message.

Nobody’s read it,” Cruz said as he puffed on a cigar. “There isn’t a person alive who has read this piece of garbage.”

Cruz called out some of the items in the bill that were included without debate and a separate vote. He noted, for example, the spending deal “extends the Export-Import Bank for seven years.”

The bank, which provides loans to promote the foreign purchases of U.S. goods, is “one of the greatest corporate boondoggles – corporate welfare,” the senator asserted.

The massive spending bill also raises the tobacco purchasing age to 21.

Cruz ridiculed this provision, citing that soldiers can be drafted at age 18, but “God help you if you want to have a smoke.” :lol:

The senator pointed out the spending bill also “funds government research on gun control.”

“Can’t you wait for the report from the Centers for Disease Control … bogus studies that are going to be used to take away your constitutional rights,” Cruz stated.

The senator added that the spending bill:
– continues tax breaks for “so-called” renewable energy
– fails to stop sanctuary cities
– fails to defund Planned Parenthood and fails to end Obamacare
While a pro-abortion rights amendment proposed by New Hampshire Democrat Jeanne Shaheen – one that would have undermined Trump’s pro-life policies overseas – was not included in the final spending package, America’s largest abortion business, Planned Parenthood, remains funded by taxpayers.

Pro-life organization Live Action observed that, since the spending deal fails to end Obamacare, its sex education program, known as PREP, will still receive $75 million, and $3 million of the PREP funding will go to Planned Parenthood.

Live Action added:
Additionally, Planned Parenthood will continue to receive millions more through [Medicaid] reimbursements and discretionary funds. In their 2017 Annual Report, Planned Parenthood indicated that 34% of their revenue came from “Government Health Services Reimbursements & Grants.”
Congressional spending packages for FY2020 don’t include any provisions to further curb the millions of taxpayer dollars going to America’s abortion giant.
“This pile of trash belongs in an ashtray,” Cruz said in his video message.

On Thursday, the senator released a statement after voting against the bill.

“With a $23 trillion national debt, this 2,313-page spending package that Congressional leaders unveiled just days ago represents everything Americans hate about Washington,” Cruz said, adding:
Though there are several good provisions included in the final bills that I was proud to fight for, including a well-deserved pay raise for our men and women in uniform and additional support for our Armed Forces and veterans, this $1.4 trillion spending monstrosity plunges our nation even further into debt – haphazardly spending taxpayer dollars on the priorities of lobbyists and Democrats at the expense of the priorities of the American people, from funding Planned Parenthood, sanctuary cities, and Obamacare, to raising the tobacco purchasing age to 21.
“This ridiculous, rushed, end-of-year spending process, year after year, is an example of government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists, and for the lobbyists,” he said.
I'm guessing many of the Trump base would not like this bill with some of its inclusions, yet it was pretty hush hush this year.

If anyone who resides in the U.S. and follows has a better sense of this, would be interested, cause on one level it looks like kowtowing to business as usual with the stroke of a pen - and here Cruz may have a point. It's also recognized that it is the bill that keeps government wheels turning, yet probably not all 2,313 pages are required.
 

angelburst29

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Making current International headlines, which has been on-going for sometime, is Washington's stepping back from the Nuclear Treaty and North Korea's increased "Nuclear militarism" and negotiations between the Super Powers, Russia, China and the U.S., including Iran, to collaborate on a New Peace and Arms Treaty - a new START strategic arms reduction treaty. A deadline has been set for the end-of-the-year. Every Diplomatic effort at the negotiating tables, by the various Countries, have been involved to establish terms and agreements reciprocal to all those involved. For World Peace - this new START treaty - is extremely important!

Kim and U.S. President Donald Trump have met three times since June 2018, but there has been no substantive progress in dialogue while the North demanded crushing international sanctions be lifted first.

On Saturday, the state media said the United States would “pay dearly” for taking issue with the North’s human rights record and said Washington’s “malicious words” would only aggravate tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

North Korea has also repeatedly called for the United States to drop its “hostile policy” and warned about its “Christmas gift” as the end-year deadline it set for Washington to change its position looms.

Some experts say the reclusive state may be preparing for an intercontinental ballistic missile test that could put it back on a path of confrontation with the United States.

The U.S. envoy for North Korea, Stephen Biegun, has visited South Korea and China in the past week, issuing a public and direct call to North Korea to return to the negotiating table, but there has been no response.
North Korea's Kim holds military meeting as tension rises under looming deadline
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un speaks during the Third Enlarged Meeting of the Seventh Central Military Commission (CMC) of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) in this undated photo released on December 22, 2019 by North Korea's Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).    KCNA via REUTERS

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un held a meeting of top military officials to discuss boosting the country’s military capability, state news agency reported on Sunday amid heightened concern the North may be about to return to confrontation with Washington.

Kim presided over an enlarged meeting of the ruling Workers’ Party’s Central Military Commission, KCNA news agency said, to discuss steps “to bolster up the overall armed forces of the country ... militarily and politically.”

“Also discussed were important issues for decisive improvement of the overall national defense and core matters for the sustained and accelerated development of military capability for self-defense,” KCNA said.

North Korea has set a year-end deadline for the United States to change what it says is a policy of hostility amid a stalemate in efforts to make progress on their pledge to end the North’s nuclear program and establish lasting peace.

Trump and Japan's Abe spoke about North Korea: White House spokesman
FILE PHOTO: Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe listens to U.S. President Donald Trump during a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York City, New York, U.S., September 25, 2019.  REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
U.S. President Donald Trump spoke on Saturday with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe about developments related to North Korea, Iran, and trade, a White House spokesman said.

Russia's Lavrov says Trump told Putin U.S. will continue looking for arms treaty solutions: Ifax
FILE PHOTO: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaks during a news conference at the Russian Embassy in Washington, U.S., December 10, 2019. REUTERS/Al Drago/File Photo
Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Sunday that U.S. President Donald Trump had sent a short letter about the Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Interfax news agency reported.

Russia ready to include 'super weapons' in arms control treaty: Ifax cites Lavrov
Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Sunday that Russia was prepared to include the heavy Sarmat missile and the Avangard hypersonic missile in a new START strategic arms reduction treaty, should it be extended, Interfax reported.

North Korea threat looms as China, Japan, South Korea leaders meet
FILE PHOTO: Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, South Korea's President Moon Jae-in and China's Premier Li Keqiang attend the 6th JAPAN-CHINA-KOREA Business Summit in Tokyo, Japan May 9, 2018.  REUTERS/Toru Hanai/File Photo
The spectre of new confrontation between Pyongyang and Washington hangs over meetings between China, Japan and South Korea this week, with growing risks North Korean actions could end an uneasy detente and upend recent diplomatic efforts.

Iran's Rouhani welcomes Japan opt-out of U.S.-led naval mission in Gulf
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani meet in Tokyo, Japan, December 20, 2019. Charly Triballeau/Pool via REUTERS
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on Saturday welcomed Japan's decision not to join a U.S.-led naval mission in the Gulf and said he had discussions on ways of "breaking" U.S. sanctions on a trip to Tokyo.

U.S. sanctions against Iran are a 'reckless addiction': Iran foreign minister
FILE PHOTO: Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif attends a news conference, a day ahead of the first meeting of the new Syrian Constitutional Committee at the Untied Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, October 29, 2019. REUTERS/Denis Balibouse/File Photo
U.S. sanctions against Iran are a "reckless addiction" Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said in a tweet on Sunday.

In rare move, U.S. and Iranian envoys talk after U.N. meeting on nuclear deal
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Kelly Craft speaks with Iran's U.N. Ambassador Majid Takht Ravanchi in the U.N. Security Council chamber in New York City, U.S. in a still image from video taken December 19, 2019.  UN TV via REUTERS.
The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations made a rare compassionate public gesture toward her Iranian counterpart in the Security Council chamber on Thursday, expressing condolences over the death of an Iranian toddler.
 

angelburst29

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The Constitution of the United States
The Bill of Rights & All Amendments

http://constitutionus.com/

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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Importance of We the People

The Constitution, on the other hand, by opening up with “We the People” immediately affirms that "the Constitution is of the people, for the people, and by the people of the United States."

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We the Pentagon of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves, the Military Industrial Complex and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this fiscal Defense Budget for the United States of America.

The defense budget stands at $738 billion, which is 3.1% more than in the 2019 fiscal year ($716 billion)

Trump signs new defense budget that envisages sanctions against Russia

https://tass.com/world/1101947

WASHINGTON, December 21. /TASS/. US President Donald Trump has signed the defense budget for the fiscal year 2020 (started on October 1) which envisages imposing sanctions on Russia.

The defense budget stands at $738 billion, which is 3.1% more than in the 2019 fiscal year ($716 billion). Around $635 billion is allocated to the Pentagon, and $71.5 to continuing military operations in Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and to fighting against terrorism in other countires. A total of $31.5 billion is allocated for maintaining the combat capabilities of the nuclear weapons and their modernization through the US Department of Energy, and for other defense purposes.

Military aid to Ukraine will stand at $300 million, which is $50 million more than in 2019.

The defense budget plan also envisages introducting sanctions against Russia over the Nord Stream 2 and Turkish Stream gas pipeline projects, as well as restrictions in the framework of the CAESAR Syria Civilian Protection Act.

The embargo for direct cooperation with Moscow in the military sphere has once again been extended, and the US government is advised against recognizing Crimea's status as part of Russia.
 

Hello H2O

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I thought this was a surprisingly clear headed view of what is happening around 'impeachment'

Some snippets:

Only in a country that produces so much fake news at the official level, could there be a fake impeachment procedure made purely for media consumption, with no real or tangible possible victory in sight.
Nancy Pelosi is evidently extraordinarily cynical. Her politics appears to be ‘they deserve whatever they believe’. And her aim appears to be the one who makes them believe things so that they deserve what she gives them.
Imagine being a fly on the wall of the meeting with Pelosi where it was decided to go forward with impeachment in the House of Representatives, despite not having either sufficient traction in the Senate or any way to control the process that the Senate uses.


It probably went like this: ‘We’ll say we impeached him, because we did, and we’ll say he was impeached. We’ll declare victory, and go home. This will make him unelectable because of the stigma of impeachment.
 
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