Trump orders attack on Syria, asks for other countries to join him.

angelburst29 :
I'm still getting the impression, that there's something working behind the scenes "between Trump and Putin" with this U.S. missile strike on the Syrian base?

Something similar happened to me last night. I was reading a article about Putin/Russia being so indignant about the air strike, cutting off any cooperation with the US etc. and I had a strong impression it was fake... just a show. Hmm, I then analyzed myself thinking, it may be a lingering after affect of thinking for many months the 2 countries may cooperate with each other. There, mystery solved, good enough explanation for me. But... maybe there is more going on as you say. These darn "wait and see's".

My last thought on the matter today was, Clinton's war was only delayed with the election of Trump. He's in the dog house with me now.
 
Just out today, Dark Journalist & Joseph Farrell discuss the Syria strike and, surprise, they can't make any sense out of it! Farrell says the level of tension hasn't been this high since the Cuban missile crises. Interesting commentary re what's been going on:
SYRIA STRIKE! GENERAL STRANGELOVE & DEEP STATE COUP D'ETAT - DARK JOURNALIST & JOSEPH FARRELL

Deep State War Moves
In this fascinating episode on the ongoing battle between the presidency and the Deep State, Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes back Oxford Scholar and Geopolitical author Dr. Joseph Farrell. In light of the latest unexpected military actions against Syria by the Trump Administration, Farrell sees the high probability of a Deep State coup to replace Trump's original non-interventionist policies with a familiar Neocon doctrine of reckless interference in the Middle East.

Media Beating Syrian War Drums
President Trump found himself the subject of glowing praise by the same media that regularly skewers him as a 'Russian Agent.' Almost overnight Trump went from a zero to a hero with the Corporate Media and Bilderberg journalists like Fareed Zakaria saying 'Trump just became President' and liberal MSNBC anchor Brian Williams calling the airstrikes 'Beautiful.' This dramatic change in press rhetoric supports Farrell's contention that the Deep State is taking control of the Trump White House.

The Ascension of General Strangelove and Cold War 2.0
Just previous to the bombing of the Syrian airbase there was a serious staff shakeup inside the Trump White House with former Breitbart editor and influential Trump campaign strategist Steve Bannon being demoted and removed from the National Security Council. Previous to this the CIA had assisted the media in the downfall of General Flynn by leaking damaging information that was used to again promote the phony, 'Putin-Trump-Russia in Collusion' narrative as a way to further the Cold War 2.0 push they are committed to having.

These actions were meant to heighten the ascendancy of Neocon General 'Strangelove' McMaster who has suddenly become the face of military operations even superseding Defense Secretary 'Mad Dog' Mattis. Almost all of President Trump's Major Campaign Lieutenants are nowhere to be seen while his policies are reversed one after another.

Farrell sees the Deep State challenging the Presidency as they have since the JFK Assassination and attempting to change the course of history once again by using disputed incidents like the chemical attack on the Syrian village to create a false narrative to drive the US into another war.
Not getting the impression from Farrell that the tension between Trump's new stance & Russia's warning response is just for show.
 
[quote author= SummerLite]My last thought on the matter today was, Clinton's war was only delayed with the election of Trump. He's in the dog house with me now.[/quote]

If this was somehow in the cards anyhow, Killary would have launched more than 59 tomahawks. That's for sure. This puny attack wasn't the shock and aw we are used to.

It's difficult to see what is going on behind the scenes. But if the war-hawks thought they could attack big against Syrian forces without a Russian reaction. This attack may have been one of the smaller options Trump picked from. Assuming that their was a set of options. But there usually are. Which could make the situation interesting.

If they want a stronger reaction from Trump, they need to try better. And perhaps Trump is hoping that they will. The only way Trump can truly drain the swamp is if he becomes a dictator, how scary as that may sound. For that he needs martial law, the NDAA fully implemented and a list ready to round up the right people. For that to happen he needs a gigantic false flag.

Perhaps Trump by giving them not the intervention the PTB desire, is setting them up to try bigger and better to force a reaction out of him. While trump only plays along so that he can claim his dictatorial powers through their false flag.


Since they can't get rid of Assad with Russia in play. They can only carve the country up as it stands right now. What if a WMD goes of with the idea to ''take out ISIS'' in Syria. In other words, they want a massive amount of troops on the ground allied with the Kurds of sorts with the idea that the 4+1 coalition won't attack them. In that case you have a stand of because both parties don't want to unleash WW3. So what happens, they carve up the country. It's the best option the PTB can aim for at this moment. But it remains risky nonetheless. And they need a big false flag to justify so many troops. Perhaps that is what the PTB are aiming for?

And perhaps Trump is just waiting and playing them towards this idea of an false flag WMD so that he can become a dictator in order to backstab the PTB.
 
Just stumbled on this piece a bit at odd, so I'm submitting FWIW:

_https://informnapalm.org/en/syria-containers-chemical-weapons-found-shayrat-air-base/

Mikhail Voskresensky, а Russian reporter for Russian RIA Novosti news agency, who published photos of Shayrat air base after the U.S. missile strike, captured container units for Soviet-developed KMGU munitions dispenser for small-size load. Such container units are often used to transport not only cluster explosive fragmentation, but also chemical munitions. Similar containers were captured on the photos filming the process of chemical munitions destruction by the Russian military at Pochep chemical weapons destruction facility (Bryansk Oblast, Russia), where container units with the toxic substance GD (soman) got into the shot

And then this (born again Christian?) guy that in his 'Trumpet News' YouTube Channel claim that this is the proof that 'Trump just CHECK MATED the Neocons, liberals and Fair weather supporters!' as the title of his video reads. [Watch at 5:10]

_https://youtu.be/0m9jt93LTzE

Haven't really got the gist of it due lack of time... could be a fake.
 
Did Trump really just say that he did NOT authorize the latest "big bomb" strike, but that he has left that stuff up to the military?
He has authorized the military to just do what want, when they want!
But wait, didn't he once say, that he was smarter then the Generals, what a turnabout!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2wNyv8ggc
 
bjorn said:
[quote author= seek10]looks like a PR campaign, after Syria's Tomahawk firing. How much damage done is not yet clear though

I think so to, they are just showing teeth. The Empire is giving themselves a more aggressive stance. It's not a sign of strength, but of weakness. Since they can't conquer Russia, China, Iran etc. All what is left to do is trying to intimidate the world into submission.
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A PR stunt for sure. "Targeting Daesh caves in Afghanistan"? Give me a break.

After less than half of the Tomahawk missiles reached their target, I think the MIC decided that it needed another big show of force to move the media narrative along so that there wasn't too much dwelling on the poor performance of the Tomahawk strikes. Can't have customers questioning the effectiveness of their pricey purchases.
 
bjorn said:
(The only way Trump can truly drain the swamp is if he becomes a dictator
Maybe. They need be fully exposed for the pedophiles they (seemingly all ("essential psychopaths")) are—a full-spectrum '#PizzaGate'-type revelations would do it.)
 
Reading and thinking about all these developments, I remembered that the C's had said that there might be a few " dirty bombs" going off. Just wondered how that might relate to all this.
 
SeekinTruth said:
Reading and thinking about all these developments, I remembered that the C's had said that there might be a few " dirty bombs" going off. Just wondered how that might relate to all this.

It seems "dirty bombs" are by one definition meant to be a psychological weapon more than long term in effectiveness.

WikiPedia said:
Since a dirty bomb is unlikely to cause many deaths by radiation exposure, many do not consider this to be a weapon of mass destruction.[2] Its purpose would presumably be to create psychological, not physical, harm through ignorance, mass panic, and terror. For this reason dirty bombs are sometimes called "weapons of mass disruption". Additionally, containment and decontamination of thousands of victims, as well as decontamination of the affected area might require considerable time and expense, rendering areas partly unusable and causing economic damage.
 
SYRIA STRIKE! GENERAL STRANGELOVE & DEEP STATE COUP D'ETAT - DARK JOURNALIST & JOSEPH FARRELL

This was a very informative video. His observations have a grounding quality as he's speaking the "simple truth" of things (which aren't so simple). A lot of clarity with pulling the bigger picture together. I also checked out his blog site which is also full of interesting articles. _https://gizadeathstar.com/

Thanks for posting.

p.s. It's mentioned how Russia is demonized in the MSM and its China demonized in the alternative media which was a little Ah Ha! moment for me.
 
Skysira said:
bjorn said:
(The only way Trump can truly drain the swamp is if he becomes a dictator
Maybe. They need be fully exposed for the pedophiles they (seemingly all ("essential psychopaths")) are—a full-spectrum '#PizzaGate'-type revelations would do it.)

If Trump succeeds in doing so the public will drain the swap for him in an afternoon ;) But yeah, that would definitely be the way to go.


[quote author= Meager1]Did Trump really just say that he did NOT authorize the latest "big bomb" strike, but that he has left that stuff up to the military?
He has authorized the military to just do what want, when they want!
But wait, didn't he once say, that he was smarter then the Generals, what a turnabout![/quote]

He is giving the miltiairy free reign to do whatever they want. Perhaps he is hoping that they will push it to far. So he can usher in martial law and get things going. Though, it's really a dangerous scenario.
 
United States President Donald Trump was intent on mending ties with Russia, but has apparently given up on this campaign pledge under the pressure from the Pentagon, political analyst and journalist Patrick Lawrence, a foreign affairs columnist at news website Salon and a contributing commentator at The Fiscal Times, told Radio Sputnik.

US-Russia Relations: 'What We Have Seen is Capitulation on Trump's Part'
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704141052646548-us-russia-trump-capitulation/

What we have just witnessed over here is a kind of capitulation on Trump's part. He had an idea for improving the relationship with Russia that he inherited from Obama. This was considered very undesirable by the military and national security bureaucracies. He has just surrendered on this point. That's what we have just watched," he said.

The relationship between Moscow and Washington was damage following the 2014 foreign-sponsored coup in Kiev, the subsequent civil war in Ukraine and Crimea's peaceful and democratic reunification with Russia. The Syrian conflict has also served as a major point of contention between the two powers that support opposite sides of the six-year-long crisis.

Trump wanted to reboot the tense relationship, but has largely been unable to deliver on this campaign promise.

"The foreign policy in the United States is now being set more or less directly by the Pentagon and it is sent to the White House by way of Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, an active duty officer, who is Trump's National Security Advisor. Trump has very few people, possibly none, left around him who are countering the Pentagon's perspective. That's quite serious," the political analyst said. "We are seeing this with China and we are seeing this with Russia, the two most important relationships America has outside of the Atlantic alliance."

Lawrence emphasized that the Pentagon "is not given to diplomacy," adding that the United States has a "military policy" instead of a "foreign policy." The analyst further said that US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's visit to Russia was not meant to build trust between the two countries.

"What we are watching with regard to Russia and China, the character of this administration's approach is very, very assertive and it's based on some shrouded measure of threat. Trump has said that if the Chinese don't help the US with North Korea, we'll go it alone. With regard to Russia, Tillerson is saying: 'You're either with us or you are with Assad.' These are veiled threats. I doubt Secretary Tillerson or anybody in the White House would ever use that term but that's what they amount to. I don't see that it's going to work. I don't see either Moscow or Beijing being responsive to this approach, but that's where we are. I find it very discouraging," he said.

Lawrence also praised Moscow for its measured response to Washington's assertive foreign policy.

"It is quite notable that the Putin administration is ever in search of restraint," he said, adding that Moscow is always open to cooperation. "The determinant lies in Washington. Does this administration wants to engage in diplomacy, cooperation on questions of mutual interest or not? Or is American primacy, hegemony if you like, the only consideration? It's up to the Americans really. In my read, Russia's perfectly willing to cooperate. I often find Moscow's patience quite remarkable to observe in the face of very offensive behavior and talk on the part of the Americans."


United States President Donald Trump expressed confidence that relations between Washington and Moscow will normalize. According to political analyst Dmitry Mikheyev, Washington needs to work out a clear foreign policy strategy, including on Russia.

Trump 'Lacks Specialists on Russia', Faces 'Sabotage' in Washington
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704141052642460-trump-russia-policy/

The US President said that finally there will be "lasting peace" in Russia-US relations.

"Things will work out fine between the U.S.A. and Russia. At the right time everyone will come to their senses & there will be lasting peace!" Trump wrote on Twitter.

​Earlier, Trump said that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s talks in Moscow were "very successful."

"I think he had a very successful meeting in Russia. We'll see, we'll see the end result, which will be in a long period of time perhaps. But the end result is what's most important, not just talk," Trump said Wednesday during a joint press briefing with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.

However, he underscored that the US at present "does not get along with Russia at all."

Trump also said it would be fantastic to improve US relations with Russia as well as with many other countries in order to stabilize the situation around the world.

Washington and Moscow have exchanged a series of mutual blames after the Pentagon launched a missile attack on a Syrian airbase on April 7. The White House said the move was in response to the reported chemical weapons use in Idlib on April 4. The US and many its allies have blamed Damascus for the incident.

Moscow has called for an objective investigation into the Idlib incident and described the US missile strike as an act of aggression.

In an interview with Radio Sputnik, Dmitry Mikheyev, a political analyst and specialist in US politics, suggested that the US presidential administration lacks experts and advisors on Russia to elaborate its foreign policy strategy.

With all Trump’s actions and statements, it is clear that he has not yet formed the foreign policy team in the State Department. This means there are no specialists on Russia who would offer recommendations. Trump and Tillerson have no experience in the field. Tillerson’s visit to Moscow was expected to facilitate the development of Trump’s foreign policy strategy," Mikheyev pointed out.

The expert said that currently it is difficult for Trump to "designate the scope for maneuvering" because his domestic positions are weak.

"Some forces [in Washington] are openly trying to sabotage his presidency. This is why Trump cannot find specialists for the State Department. He doesn’t know who he can trust," Mikheyev said.


The US just spent $314 million to destroy the Islamic terrorist cave complex which the CIA built with help from Bin Laden

Ed Snowden: Afghan bunkers ‘MOAB’ bomb destroyed were built by CIA
http://theduran.com/snowden-afghan-bunkers-moab-bomb/

The media is awash with enthusiastic reports that the US military has employed the largest conventional bomb ever designed, the Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb or “MOAB” (18,000 lbs. of explosive, 22,000 lbs. total weight) on a cave-bunker complex in near Tora Bora in Afghanistan – the same place Osama bin Laden was supposedly hiding not long after 9-11.

The US says the complex was being used by ISIS.

US President Trump is receiving credit for the bombing, both from supporters and opponents (including former supporters), though he told the press he did not personally give the order.

Nevertheless, the bombing seems to fit into Trump’s declared strategy for fighting terrorism, described below (from 0:36 seconds).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RBlVxBlbwQ

Only one thing is being left out of the media reports. How did ISIS (or al Qaeda, or the Mujahadeen, or whichever Islamic terrorists the US is secretly backing this week) get such a wonderful bunker complex to begin with? Ed Snowden reminds us of the answer:

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/852597443237732352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheduran.com%2Fsnowden-afghan-bunkers-moab-bomb%2F

So $314 million to destroy, and untold millions more to build.

Are we seeing how the military-industrial complex works yet?
 
angelburst29 said:
I'm still getting the impression, that there's something working behind the scenes "between Trump and Putin" with this U.S. missile strike on the Syrian base? It may seem like a really crazy thought, considering all the media play on the situation? Take for instance, Tillerson just spent two days in Russia. The timing is only a few days from when the Syrian base incident happened. If I were in Tillerson's shoes, I'd be petrified of getting my butt kicked to Siberia? Yet, with all the media hype that Tillerson was to only meet with Lavrov, Tillerson did get to meet with Putin for two hours. Russian media reports that the talks were constructive and there's talk of reinstating the Russian-US deconfliction mechanism that was suspended on April 8th BUT with possible adjustments.

I think the idea has merit, although it's obviously impossible to know for sure. If we look at the timeline over the course of 1 week:

Tillerson and Silly billy say "US has no interest in removing Assad"

Trump threatened with impeachment by Senator Blumenthal

Terror attack in Moscow

Chemical weapon attack in Syria (historically this is a precursor to a UN Sec. Council meeting and then a massive bombardment of a foreign nation by NATO)

Trump and Co. do a 180 on Assad, and make the usual threats against Syria including calling the emergency Sec. Council meeting, but then....

59 missiles fired by US at deserted Syrian airfield, little damage, appears to be merely a symbolic act by Trump to appease detractors.

Tillerson and Lavrov meet and Tillerson gives a commitment that "it will not happen again" (bizarro)

US drops giant bomb on Afghan desert, allegedly killing "36 ISIS members" (sure!) at a cost of $500,000 per jihadi (not very cost effective). Apparently another symbolic act or 'show of force' to gladen the hearts of the US political and corporate elite and media talking heads, all of whom are reassured that Murika has not really been downgraded by Russia to a 2nd rate military power (at least in Syria, which it has).
 
Joe said:
angelburst29 said:
I'm still getting the impression, that there's something working behind the scenes "between Trump and Putin" with this U.S. missile strike on the Syrian base? It may seem like a really crazy thought, considering all the media play on the situation? Take for instance, Tillerson just spent two days in Russia. The timing is only a few days from when the Syrian base incident happened. If I were in Tillerson's shoes, I'd be petrified of getting my butt kicked to Siberia? Yet, with all the media hype that Tillerson was to only meet with Lavrov, Tillerson did get to meet with Putin for two hours. Russian media reports that the talks were constructive and there's talk of reinstating the Russian-US deconfliction mechanism that was suspended on April 8th BUT with possible adjustments.

I think the idea has merit, although it's obviously impossible to know for sure. If we look at the timeline over the course of 1 week:

Tillerson and Silly billy say "US has no interest in removing Assad"

Trump threatened with impeachment by Senator Blumenthal

Terror attack in Moscow

Chemical weapon attack in Syria (historically this is a precursor to a UN Sec. Council meeting and then a massive bombardment of a foreign nation by NATO)

Trump and Co. do a 180 on Assad, and make the usual threats against Syria including calling the emergency Sec. Council meeting, but then....

59 missiles fired by US at deserted Syrian airfield, little damage, appears to be merely a symbolic act by Trump to appease detractors.

Tillerson and Lavrov meet and Tillerson gives a commitment that "it will not happen again" (bizarro)

US drops giant bomb on Afghan desert, allegedly killing "36 ISIS members" (sure!) at a cost of $500,000 per jihadi (not very cost effective). Apparently another symbolic act or 'show of force' to gladen the hearts of the US political and corporate elite and media talking heads, all of whom are reassured that Murika has not really been downgraded by Russia to a 2nd rate military power (at least in Syria, which it has).

Even if the idea has merit, there are also, several flaws if that was Trump's thinking.
1) By doing it he has lost a lot of his voter base, which is an important leverage. Both Putin and Assad have strong support in their populations which makes it hard for colour revolutions to gain traction.
2) Secondly there are other actors in all of this than just Russia and the US, and they will respond in unknown ways according to the facts on the ground.
3) One example is Iran, where this missile strike only strengthen the hardliners in the next presidential election coming up next month. Ahmadinejad could be a potential winner and a less moderate Iran could be the answer. This will only play into the neocon warcamp, I think.
4) The unpredictability of the US will make countries very cautious about saying yes to agreements with the US as they know it holds no water.
5) Lastly it could well be that both the Syria strike and the MOAB drop were not decisions made by Trump, as the Pentagon and the CIA are more than happy to create facts on the ground to suit their agenda.
6) By launching the Syria Strike without congressional approval, Trump has made himself very vulnerable to impeachment in the future if he does not continue to placate the neocon camp.

So if Trump did do this as a 'smart' move to pull one over the neocons, I doubt that he took the time to consider all the consequences especially the likely unknown consequences of such a move and how such a message would be perceived around the world. It sure has the potential to send chills down the spine and the move could have been 'cooked up' in the 40 day timeframe that the C's alluded to. By whom is perhaps the question.
If Trump is impeached, he will have lost a lot of his voters to come out and fight for him, whether in the streets or in the papers.
 
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