That truly shocks me, to this day whenever I have ever discussed the topic of Nazi presence in Ukraine, despite it being reported in the media and it being mentioned by the UN, people still fall back on "well, every country has Nazis... it's not that big of a deal.. it's just part of the propaganda by Putin".For sure, full of sympathizers (likely some only in appearance being too scared to oppose), just harken back to 2017-19 when the western press were all over the rise of neo-Nazi groups and their sympathizers as an ideology base in Ukraine (primarily Kiev and west). Within its military it was ripe, with the west openly and covertly training them. So, had been surprised that these two guys acted as if were not aware of the area being an ideological hotbed. Of course, they flipped the script and it all disappeared to be replaced by the mask of democracy, and how dare Putin.
Whenever I find myself in these situations, I can't help but be reminded of that idea of the "reality creators" they truly do create reality for a lot of individuals.