Turkey shot down Russian bomber over Syria

angelburst29 said:
Assassinations on the rise: A prominent Turkish Lawyer (president of the Turkish bar association in southeastern Diyarbakir province) killed in Istanbul and three Chinese nationals (China Railway Construction Corporation’s (CRCC) international group) and six Russians (Russian commercial cargo airline Volga-Dnepr) killed in the capital of the African nation of Mali.

Violence Erupts In Turkey After Prominent Lawyer Is Assassinated On Live TV
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/violence-erupts-turkey-after-prominent-lawyer-assassinated-live-tv-while-giving-publ

A day after Turkey arrested two journalists for their report exposing Erdogan's weapons deliveries to "extremist groups" in Syria, confirming that no dissent to the president's foreign policy would be allowed, today a new riot has erupted in Istanbul following the dramatic murder in broad daylight of Tahir Elci, the president of the Turkish bar association in southeastern Diyarbakir province, who was shot dead by unidentified gunmen while giving a public speech.

A campaigner for Kurdish rights, Elci had been criticized in Turkey for saying the banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) was not a terrorist organization, as the government describes it. He had, however, denounced PKK violence. He was facing trial over his comments, which had infuriated state prosecutors. A Turkish prosecutor last month demanded up to seven and a half years of prison tme for Elci on the grounds of "making propaganda of a terror organization" after remarks he made supporting the PKK.

Just before being gunned down, Elci called for peace and the silencing of all guns.

I was just reading about that and watching the video, which is shocking. Obviously, someone is pouring oil into the fire in Turkey. I wonder why on earth would Erdogan choose to pick up a fight with Russia just when he has this issue to sort out within his own country? I mean, is the guy suicidal, mad or stupid?

Or maybe it's someone else, not the Turkish government, who is creating all these provocations in order to see it fragmented in the future. However, if that's the case, then why does Erdogan insist on saying things and behaving in ways which are consistent with wanting to pick up fights, both with the Kurds in the east and with Russia?
 
Details of the attack against the russian plane Su-24
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189463.html
Google translate:
Two days after the attack against the Su-24 Russian aircraft by an F-16 Turkish airspace Syrian, Viktor Bondarev General, Chief of Staff of the Army of the Russian Air, made a surprising statement which completely changes the picture given by the Western media, which took over Turkey alone release.
Under the memorandum concerning the Syrian campaign signed by Moscow and Washington on October 26, the Russian side informed its counterparts uniens-states, 12 hours before the mission of the two Su-24 bombers in northern Syria. They sent them all the details of the mission, including departure time: 09 h40, altitude: 5600 m to 6000 and aims to bomb: Chefir around the region, and Zahia in Mortlou northern Syria, on the border of the Turkish Hatay region. The Su-24 tactical bombers took off from the air base of Hmeymim according to the schedule planned at 9 am 40, each armed with four OFAB-250 bombs. 09 h 51 h 11 to 10 Russian bombers have evolved in a waiting area at an altitude of 5650 m and 5800 m, respectively, south of the Syrian city of Idlib. At 10 h 11, the two Russian bombers received the GPS coordinates of targets and make a first pass at the vertical of the target 16 to 10 hours by dropping the first bombs. After performing the maneuver to return above the target for the second attack, a Su-24 bombers struck by an air-to-air missile launched by the Turkish F-16 to 10 h 24.
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An analysis from the tests results on the objectives, supported by the dynamics of targets detected by radar network that monitors the entire Syrian airspace, showed the presence of two Turkish F-16 aircraft, among 09 h 08 to 10 h 29, flying at an altitude of 4200 m in the air space of the Turkish Hatay region on the border with Syria. Turkish planes had taken off at 08 h 40 and landed at 11 h 00.
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The time required for the two jets F-16 to start the engine, rolling on the runway, taking off from the air base in Diyarbakir and reach the service area located 410 km from their base, shows that the two F-16 Turks received their mission one hour before take-off of Russian bombers. This shows that Turkish drivers knew they would deal with aircraft Su-24 Russian, and knew the details of the mission of these bombers in the framework of the preparation of their action in order to position themselves to shoot down Russian aircraft so it may appear as if Russian bombers had entered Turkish airspace. They had to be instructed not to apply the procedure under international treaties that Turkey signed, namely interception, followed by eye contact, a warning shot with the edge of the barrel, and finally destruction.
According to Viktor Bondarev General, throughout its flight, the Su-24 bomber maintained a distance of 5 km from the Syrian-Turkish border, before entering the area possible firing of air-to-air guided missile by heat by one of the Turkish F-16 aircraft, which flew almost perpendicular to the direction of flight of Su-24 bombers. The Turkish aircraft made a 110 degree turn, lasting 1 minute and 40 seconds, in order to reach the Russian bomber in its rear part. Because of this shift, the Turkish F-16 entered two kilometers into Syrian airspace (where he stayed for about 40 seconds, while the Su-24 is entered as 17 seconds in space Turkish Air) enough to be visible on radar screens of air base Hmeymim during the release of the attack during which he dipped below the altitude of 2500 m.
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This maneuver has positioned the F-16 in the back part of one of the two Russian Su-24 bombers at a distance of 5 to 7 km with an approach speed that allowed the launch of air-air missile. Before the attack, there was on any radio channel, including one specially created for cooperation, no record of a call pilot or control bodies of the Turkish army.
Bondarev's conclusion is that Turkish drivers are specifically prepared for several weeks to shoot down a Russian bomber on the border with Syria, and the final details of the ambush were refined by the Turks (presumably with their allies in NATO) during the 12 hours following the arrival of the information sent by the Russians before takeoff.
Valentin Vasilescu
 
angelburst29 said:
Turkey to give body of Russia's Sukhoi Su-24M bomber pilot to Russian diplomats on Sunday
http://tass.ru/en/world/840198

ANKARA, November 29. /TASS/. Turkey will give to Russian diplomats on Sunday the body of Russia's Sukhoi Su-24M bomber pilot, Igor Mityakov, press attache of the Russian embassy told TASS on Sunday.

"We have been confirmed today from the Hatay province to Ankara they will deliver the body of Hero of Russia Oleg Peshkov," he said. "The embassy’s military attache will be on the flight next to the body. At the aerodrome in Ankara, Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov and the embassy’s representatives will meet the plane. The date and time of the body’s delivery to Russia are being discussed now."

Earlier on Sunday, Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters they had taken the body of the Russian pilot and will give it to Russian diplomats. He said at night Orthodox priests had made necessary devotions.

Ummm... how did Turkey come by this body? I thought terrorists had it?
 
Laura said:
angelburst29 said:
Turkey to give body of Russia's Sukhoi Su-24M bomber pilot to Russian diplomats on Sunday
http://tass.ru/en/world/840198

ANKARA, November 29. /TASS/. Turkey will give to Russian diplomats on Sunday the body of Russia's Sukhoi Su-24M bomber pilot, Igor Mityakov, press attache of the Russian embassy told TASS on Sunday.

"We have been confirmed today from the Hatay province to Ankara they will deliver the body of Hero of Russia Oleg Peshkov," he said. "The embassy’s military attache will be on the flight next to the body. At the aerodrome in Ankara, Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov and the embassy’s representatives will meet the plane. The date and time of the body’s delivery to Russia are being discussed now."

Earlier on Sunday, Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters they had taken the body of the Russian pilot and will give it to Russian diplomats. He said at night Orthodox priests had made necessary devotions.

Ummm... how did Turkey come by this body? I thought terrorists had it?
I asked myself the same question! Turkey seems to have made a mistake.
1. Turkey has links with those who killed the Russian driver.
2. Turkey had to spend the Syrian border to retrieve the body.

Putin will try to understand ...
 
Scottie said:
I think the big difference between the USA and Russia is that the US builds weapons to make money, and the secondary benefit is to blow things up.

Indeed, even their own weapons. I worked with a guy who had gone AWOL during the Vietnam war; he had been an air traffic controller - think in Da Nang. He said it went something like this; on Monday shipments would arrive from the States by air transport (bombs, ammo etc), and if not used up by Saturday they would take it to the fields and blow it all up, and the next flights from the military industrial complex would arrive on schedule to replenish. What a racket.

Laura said:
angelburst29 said:
Turkey to give body of Russia's Sukhoi Su-24M bomber pilot to Russian diplomats on Sunday
http://tass.ru/en/world/840198

ANKARA, November 29. /TASS/. Turkey will give to Russian diplomats on Sunday the body of Russia's Sukhoi Su-24M bomber pilot, Igor Mityakov, press attache of the Russian embassy told TASS on Sunday.

"We have been confirmed today from the Hatay province to Ankara they will deliver the body of Hero of Russia Oleg Peshkov," he said. "The embassy’s military attache will be on the flight next to the body. At the aerodrome in Ankara, Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov and the embassy’s representatives will meet the plane. The date and time of the body’s delivery to Russia are being discussed now."

Earlier on Sunday, Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters they had taken the body of the Russian pilot and will give it to Russian diplomats. He said at night Orthodox priests had made necessary devotions.

Ummm... how did Turkey come by this body? I thought terrorists had it?

It says here http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/uk-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUKKBN0TI08220151129?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews that Turkey;

snip said:
recovered the body of a Russian pilot from northern Syria and presented it to Russian diplomats on Sunday, five days after shooting down his warplane in an incident that wrecked relations between two of the main powers involved in Syria's war.

A coffin carrying Oleg Peshkov arrived by ambulance on the tarmac of Hatay Airport in southern Turkey near the Syrian border, a Reuters photographer said.

It was flown to the capital Ankara, where according to Russia's RIA news agency it was met at an airfield by Moscow's ambassador and military attache. The Russian embassy declined to comment and Turkish officials did not immediately disclose when the body would be repatriated to Russia.

It does not really say how, yet they must have done a deal with their rebel-buddies for the body?
 
Laura said:
angelburst29 said:
Earlier on Sunday, Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters they had taken the body of the Russian pilot and will give it to Russian diplomats. He said at night Orthodox priests had made necessary devotions.
Ummm... how did Turkey come by this body? I thought terrorists had it?

Maybe these people took charge of that?
Ocean said:
​The attack on the plane was filmed by radicals who knew where and when they could "get that exclusive footage", Bondarev added. The readiness of Turkish media to cover the accident was surprising, as the video of the missile striking the Su-24 was uploaded to YouTube by a private Turkish TV-channel just 1,5 hours after the accident.
 
Turkey's links to Islamic State
http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/29-11-2015/132733-turkey_islamic_state-0/

Authenticity of material confirmed

Recent research carried out by a team of experts from Columbia University, including researchers from the United States of America, Turkey and the European Union, led by David L. Phillips, Director of the Program of Peace-Building and Rights, Columbia University Institute for the Study of Human Rights, has raised allegations that Turkey has been collaborating with Islamic State. These are not empty allegations and before anyone raises accusations that the statements were unfounded chatter picked up from the Internet and clippings, I have not just copied and pasted this material from an Armenian website or the Huffington Post, I took the trouble to contact the authors to verify the authenticity of the material. The response was "confirmed". While Turkish President Erdogan denies these allegations and speaks about a smear campaign in the media, let us see the allegations for ourselves, set out in the research paper "ISIS-Turkey links".

The first allegation is that Turkey has supplied military equipment to Islamic State, the object of the allegation being documents from the Adana Office of the Prosecutor which show that Turkey has been arming terrorist groups. The allegations include evidence from truck drivers delivering such equipment In January 2014. It is further alleged that Germany and the USA are aware of the fact that Turkey has aided terrorists militarily and financially.

The second allegation is that logistical assistance was provided by Turkey to Islamic State fighters, and that Turkey is a known transit point for terrorists entering Iraq and Syria; it has also been claimed that Turkey has provided satellite images to ISIS.

The third allegation is that Turkey has trained Islamic State fighters or has allowed Turkish territory to be used for gathering and training purposes. Furthermore, convoys of Islamic State terrorists have crossed freely to and from Turkey in full view of Turkish soldiers.

The fourth allegation is that medical aid has been extended by Turkey to Islamic State fighters.

The fifth allegation is that Turkey has been buying oil from Islamic State, providing the terrorist group with funds, while there are claims that illegal pipelines run from Syria through the territory into Turkey. This is not one tanker or two taking advantage of a dodgy security situation. It is chains of vehicles stretching out into the horizon, lining up to buy oil from Islamic State and provide this terrorist group with funds. Day and night, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, a constant pipeline-lifeline of money going from Turkey into Islamic State's coffers, funding the terrorist activities of this extremist group. And Turkey is in NATO and NATO does nothing. On top of this, there are reports of cultural treasures looted from Syria and Iraq crossing into Turkey.

The sixth allegation is that Islamic State fighters are being recruited in Turkey and operations are launched from Turkey to recruit Turkish-speaking Islamic State terrorists from Turkey and Germany. Recently, mortars were fired against the Syrian Arab Army (the Syrian authority) from inside Turkey. Turkey is being used as a base by terrorists and NATO does nothing. But then again, people in NATO countries were weeping and saying the Lord's Prayer for the victims in Paris - how many of them were mourning the victims (almost double in number) of the terrorist strike against the Russian passenger jet or the military personnel murdered by terrorists after Turkey shot down a Russian bomber over Syria?

The seventh allegation is that Turkish terrorists have joined Islamic State and are fighting alongside them on the front line. There are claims that Turkey has also supported the al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra Front and has sent special forces to fight with Islamic State.

The eighth allegation is that Turkey actively intervened in the Battle of Kobani, supplying Islamic State with trains full of ammunition and supplies

The ninth allegation is that Erdogan and the Turkish elite share a similar worldview with Islamic State, being Islamists. Perhaps that is why Kurdish fighters were allegedly prevented by the Turks from entering Syria to fight against Islamic State.

This is not the fault of the Turkish people, many of whom wish to see a balanced society in which people can express themselves. This is not the Turkey of Erdogan. The Turkey of Erdogan aids, abets and finances terrorists, walks hand-in-hand with Islamist terrorism, oppresses its people, murders Kurds, murders Alevi and commits war crimes.
 
I'm glad to see that item-by-item confirmation and that the investigative team was international. I had recently read this...

Is it time to raise the issue at the United Nations to organize an international tribunal for the governments of Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia for their involvement in terrorism?

Lyuba Lulko
Pravda.Ru
19.11.2015
http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/politics/19-11-2015/132648-russia_qatar-0/

...and now I'm thinking the preconditions (by Russian standards) for raising that issue are being set.
 
According to voltairenet the Russian General Bondarev told supposedly in a press conference, that American (sic!) forces were 12 hours earlier informed about the mission details of the two Su-24s. And that two Turkish F-16 got the mission details one hour earlier before the Russian planes came near the border and were preparing for the attack on them.

_http://www.voltairenet.org/article189472.html
 
South Front says that Turkey is concentrating 1K military units on its border with Syria, ostensibly to close the border on its side to ISIS, but SF wonders if that means they are planning to invade Syria and attack Russian's air base at Latakia. Personally I think that for now they will be there for show and to see if they can provoke Syria and/or Russia into something.

http://southfront.org/turkey-is-ready-to-invide-syria-concentrated-1000-units-of-military-equipment-at-the-border/

Turkey to concentrate 1000 Units of Military Equipment at the Border

Turkey has moved about 1000 units of military equipment including battle tanks Leopard 2A4 and artillery systems to the border with Syria.


According to the reports, about quater of the Turkey’s 1st Army is already located at the Syrian border. The Russian Air Force’s base in Latakia could be a target of the possible attack.

On the other hand, relocation of troops is reported is authorized by the United States urging Turkey to deploy thousands of additional military personal along its border with Syria “to block the movement of ISIS terrorists”.

“The game has changed. Enough is enough. The border needs to be sealed,” a senior US official said of Washington’s demand to Ankara. “This is an international threat, and it’s all coming out of Syria and it’s coming through Turkish territory.”

US President Barack Obama recently ordered the deployment of dozens of Special Operations troops to Syria to “assist” militants operating on the ground.

Earlier, Moscow deployed S-400 air defence systems at the Hmeymim air base where the Russian warplanes are located. Also, the cruiser Moskva armed with the Fort SAM system which is the naval version of the S-300, took up a position off the Latakia’s coast.

In turn, Turkey sent to the border with Syria electronic warfare system KORAL (Radar Electronic Attack System) to counter the Russian air defences in the region.

The question remains what the real intention of Ankara is.

Is Turkey ready to block border or to support ISIS militants overtly or to invade Syria and occupy a part of Syrian territory.
 
Belgian physicists say that both sides are lying,link:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/belgian-physicists-calculate-that-everyone-is-lying-about-the-downed-russian-jet
 
Putin: Russia Has Evidence Su-24 Shot Down to Protect ISIL Oil Deliveries

_http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151130/1031011936/putin-wide-su-24-agreement.html

We have every reason to believe that the decision to shoot down our aircraft was dictated by the desire to ensure the safety of supply routes of oil to Turkey, to the ports where they are shipped in tankers," Putin said.
 
I know we were kinda expecting it and that, although it will take longer to get supplies etc to Syria for Russia, it appears Turkey is now blocking Russian ships.

Any truth in this just breaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_IDFBkjlU0&feature=youtu.be

Published on Nov 30, 2015

Breaking news: Turkey is blocking the Russian navy from traveling between the Black Sea and Mediterranean as Russia is planning to send 150,000 ground troops to Syria to fight the Islamic State.
 
happyliza said:
I know we were kinda expecting it and that, although it will take longer to get supplies etc to Syria for Russia, it appears Turkey is now blocking Russian ships.

Any truth in this just breaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_IDFBkjlU0&feature=youtu.be

Published on Nov 30, 2015

Breaking news: Turkey is blocking the Russian navy from traveling between the Black Sea and Mediterranean as Russia is planning to send 150,000 ground troops to Syria to fight the Islamic State.

Sounds like a loadabologne to me. Russia is not about to send ground troops to that quagmire. Putin isn't stupid.
 
Thanks Laura, that is exactly why I didn't post it without checking. There is more likelihood of Iran sending troops as they are also nearer. Plus 150,000 is a HUGE number of personnel to shift for any country.

Can't believe it can get even more dumb on dumber with EU courting ErDOGan!! A Kindergarten could run these countries better. We are in the front rows for such a low life zero rated production all around us. I cannot even say it is entertaining any more so hopefully this negativity increase will do the job for/with us. It is all so sordid and pathetic with the human suffering going exponentially through the roof. I am sure we here must have learned our lessons by now on what EVIL personifies!!! Well, I suppose because of that we understand more deeply what LOVE - light - knowledge is!

Perhaps another Joker will enter the wings soon and speed things up - preferably on the side of Truth!

Wishing everyone stays safe :cool2:
 
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