UnitedHealthcare CEO shot to death in Manhattan

[Metrist]

I had another thought about Luigis back injury....
In a previous post I wondered if his back injury warranted surgery... and he injured it in a surfing accident... So I'm wondering how he could hurt his back while surfing? It could be he hit rocks or something, or maybe twisting of the body...
Often, with back aches, your back muscles tighten up and become really stiff, and that is the source of the pain, and you can't stand straight.
So, he may have hurt his back, which would have healed over time, but it were torn muscles that were debilitating him. When you tear muscles it isn't too obvious, but it hurts for a long time. And are weakened compared to before, permanently.
And so, being the athletic type, and influential - eager to get back with his lifestyle - wanted results for his treatment, and he, along with his medical diagnosis opted for surgery.
He might heal up, and be somewhat normal, but now he has screws and bracing in his back that he didn't need. And remorse for having acted the way he did, even if the insurance companies are corrupt. If he were in good health I think he would have better things to do than shoot someone.

If the doctors can't fix him... his anger is a step past his medical care... what are his thoughts about his medical providers? We know how he feels about insurance companies.... it don't make sense in that regard.

 

[Niall]

This is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. Seems kinda like a message.

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What do you think the message might be?

Here's footage of that perp walk:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869838908642722184

I'm seeing a LOT of support for him on social media.

For example:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869796253443477960

By the way, what's the scoop on his arrest? It seemed strange at the time, what with being caught in a McDonald's with the murder weapon and his manifesto handy. Did he want to be caught? Or simply expect to be caught?

 

[Beau]

By the way, what's the scoop on his arrest? It seemed strange at the time, what with being caught in a McDonald's with the murder weapon and his manifesto handy. Did he want to be caught? Or simply expect to be caught?

A body language expert analyzed photos and videos of him, for whatever that's worth:

Ivy League murder suspect acted superior, did not expect to be caught: body language expert

Body language expert Susan Constantine analyzed videos and photos of Luigi Mangione, who is accused of shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson dead on Dec. 4.

www.foxnews.com

Luigi Mangione's body language as he was escorted into a Pennsylvania courthouse gives insight into the accused killer's mindset, according to a body language expert.

Mangione, accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan, was arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania, on Monday when a McDonald's customer saw he resembled images of the suspect in the shooting.

Charged in Pennsylvania with forgery and carrying a firearm without a license, he has not waived his right to an extradition hearing to face murder charges in New York.

As he was escorted into Blair County Court on Tuesday by a cadre of officers, the jumpsuit-clad 26-year-old was wide-eyed and had his head on a swivel as he shouted at surrounding reporters. Susan Constantine told Fox News Digital that Mangione showed a "rigidity" that indicated he was fearful.

But through that, Mangione showed "a sense of arrogance and pompousness" through "just a slight raise of [his] chin" and the way that he literally looked down his nose at his surroundings.

"Keep in mind what we're dealing with – a person who has been wronged in his own mind in some sort of way… We don't know yet exactly all the reasons why," she said. "We also know he's adopted some sort of radical belief system, and he also feels that he is the one that needs to act."

Likewise, Constantine said Mangione's chin is pointed up in his mugshot photos – both the ones taken in his orange jumpsuit and the one taken in a blue suicide prevention smock.

"Remember I told you that chin is up – when we see the chin up, we can see the Adam's apple pop out… the Adam's apple pops up…his nose pops up in the air," she said. "All of this is pride and arrogance and pompousness – militant and prideful."

His expression, she said, is a stark contrast from the smiling photograph of the suspect flirting with a hostel employee in New York before the Dec. 4 assassination.

"This was not the sinister killing [face] – this was him, his charismatic personality, his flirty personality, the one that everybody and his friends and family are all talking about," Constantine said. "He's a great guy. They like him. He's, you know, engaging and he's, you know, speaks in front of the public and doesn't have any fear about it. That's his personality."

"These types of killers disassociate – it's called cubing," Constantine continued. "So when they're in active pursuit, there is one personality. And then when he's in relationships, he has another one… he's able to disassociate from what is the sinister thoughts and ideas and radicalism that's actually flooding through his mind.

"All of a sudden, that smile turned to a frown [during his perp walk] – the lifted cheeks turn into droopy cheeks. And then he had a more rigid and more tension in his facial expression that was dissimilar to what we have seen in the past. So this was a game over expression."

The suspect's confident stance during the shooting, captured on surveillance footage, is another side to the "cube" – and indicates the planning that went into the attack.

"He had already rehearsed – he was ready for the engagement. This was not something that just happened spontaneously. This is something that he thought out, measured and planned," Constantine said. "That's why you see his body language being very much in control. He's not startled. He knows exactly what he's going to do. That's why his countenance is down. His energy level is down because he's in hyper-focus."

Constantine told Fox News Digital that Mangione's body language – both during his perp walk and in a photograph snapped by police in a holding cell the day before – indicated that he did not expect to be apprehended by police.

"There are behavioral signatures and cognitions of people that are being deceptive," Constantine said. "[People display] rigidity when [they are] caught. What do they do? They sit up straight, they're very militant… So when you think about his structure, he's just very robotic."

 

[Navigator]

What do you think the message might be?

I'm seeing a LOT of support for him on social media.

I was wondering about this too, how strange all of this, isn't it?

Then I thought that it may hurt RFK Jr. because Bobby wants to change the system through reasonable policy and negotiation, the way normal people would. But the message here, or at least the perception I get, is that the only way to "fix the system" is by criminal behavior. And so by celebrating this behavior we are condoning a skewed version of justice and things get muddled in the process.

 

[Pearce]

I was wondering about this too, how strange all of this, isn't it?

Then I thought that it may hurt RFK Jr. because Bobby wants to change the system through reasonable policy and negotiation, the way normal people would. But the message here, or at least the perception I get, is that the only way to "fix the system" is by criminal behavior. And so by celebrating this behavior we are condoning a skewed version of justice and things get muddled in the process.

This seems to be the most likely reason if this was set up in any way. If RFK Jr goes after the real decision makers in a lawful way with receipts, then they are likely facing their worst hell on earth. However, if they can get the population angry enough to start shooting, then the public facing personas will get the bullet while the real rats scurry away. That's not to say the public faces of these companies are innocent, but they aren't the core of the corruption by far. I think that if we have any chance of change and healing, we have to cut the rot at the source and not just attack the symptoms.

 

[irjO]

Then I thought that it may hurt RFK Jr. because Bobby wants to change the system through reasonable policy and negotiation, the way normal people would. But the message here, or at least the perception I get, is that the only way to "fix the system" is by criminal behavior. And so by celebrating this behavior we are condoning a skewed version of justice and things get muddled in the process.

This would make sense. I’m not sure what the message exactly was, but a guy escorted like that, as he was a big terrorist! Seems like they wanted it that way to show something like “try this and our power will be after you” type of thing. I still feel like this Luigi guy did not acted alone, and there could be more people involved on this.

 

[PopHistorian]

 

[Niall]

This would make sense. I’m not sure what the message exactly was, but a guy escorted like that, as he was a big terrorist! Seems like they wanted it that way to show something like “try this and our power will be after you” type of thing. I still feel like this Luigi guy did not acted alone, and there could be more people involved on this.

For me this message was: "We really, really want you to believe that this guy is the assassin. Trust us!"

 

[seek10]

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Interestingly, I was talking to my kids yesterday and they mentioned about this incident. I said 'he is not the real shooter'. They started laughing saying 'We know you are going to say that he is a Patsy' and wanted to know 'Why'. I told them it is related to 'Corruption', see how this 'supposed' shooter vetted his pants when arrested and it is stupid to print those lines on the bullet. I also told them to check that guy's salary (which are available online for high level employees of all the companies). Well, they searched and found it that this guy's salary is 23+ million per year.

Though our discussion never really went beyond that, it is obvious to see how 'corruption' is related to large salary. Health Insurance industry is highly regulated industry. Most of the higher up's compensation is related to company performance that is related to claim denials and 'managing' the regulatory authorities.

 

[Alejo]

For me this message was: "We really, really want you to believe that this guy is the assassin. Trust us!"

Lol yeah, like they got a Hollywood producer and went "hey, how do you make a criminal look really really criminally? like so there's no doubt" and they told them.. "put him in orange and make sure everyone else wears black and just walk him down the tarmac, that'll do it!"