USA heading for Destruction
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anart
A Disturbance in the Force
webglider said:
Of course, but we're specifically discussing the Life System (as in the book the 5th Option) here - which is a little different, though related in an off-hand way. Advancing to 4D is really neither here nor there as it relates to this specific evolutionary discussion.
We could theoretically take the discussion to the 4D level, but the same dynamics would apply (to my understanding) because eventually the devolution of entropic beings (psychopaths) still results in contracting into primal matter - as opposed to those who follow a path of Being and 'expand' into the higher densities, as it were. Not being there yet, it's rather hard to discuss without ending up in the weeds of wiseacring and philosophizing (for me at least).
[quote author=anart]... In fact, the C's once mentioned the point that souls in 5D are quite interested in current events on the planet in order to determine whether or not the planet can even be used in the 'future' for soul evolution.
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Good summery anart; this one above "...can even be used in the 'future' for soul evolution", is pretty ominous, yet open. When one thinks about this "the planet" and 5d in the end possibly moving to an alternate planet (assuming that meaning) to develop - well wow, quite a thing to say and a most interesting universe indeed.
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Good summery anart; this one above "...can even be used in the 'future' for soul evolution", is pretty ominous, yet open. When one thinks about this "the planet" and 5d in the end possibly moving to an alternate planet (assuming that meaning) to develop - well wow, quite a thing to say and a most interesting universe indeed.
voyageur said:
Good summery anart; this one above "...can even be used in the 'future' for soul evolution", is pretty ominous, yet open. When one thinks about this "the planet" and 5d in the end possibly moving to an alternate planet (assuming that meaning) to develop - well wow, quite a thing to say and a most interesting universe indeed.
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Recent findings of 'Electrical Universe' , magnetic bridges /portals between different planets/sun , 4th way Law of seven ( galaxies, solar systems, planets are different level of intelligent beings like humans(as we undestand) ) , how sun's CME desimated comet elenin are interesting. What if these electric universe is the frame work of planetary communication mechanism ?. why not ?.
Just like in our body, when some part of our body ( cell, foreign invader) is harmful, the signals go out to immune system ( nuerological or harmonal system) , that calls the white blood cells which are ready to jump in and clean the mess, Is the comets playing this role. Looks like that.
980704
What is "Human Cycle"? - Birth , Learn/Experience and Die , So does all 1D- 4D stuff at the collective species level. So the cometary destruction is natural, like how tree feels when fall and winter comes ?. This makes sense only when we can remove the BS of human "specialness", because of "GOD's favorite creation".
Yozilla
The Living Force
seek10 said:
Maybe "Human Cycle" refers to whole stage (309 000 years approx.) in Soul Development for number of souls who decided to experience 3D STS material existence in order to "grow faster". And that choice could have a kind of predestined Doom scenario in 'Universal Multi-density PC Game'. As i understood there is a breeding of completely new human race (on jet to be cindered mother planet - as it was many times; i suppose) for next 'package' of souls who will choose this painful path. So this Doom Gameplay scenario has it's key points (aka prophecies for which The Quorum is in charge) and every soul package is facing the very same prophecies only 'time frame' variates - but if it is an illusion than there is no exact date 'when' next step will take place (and this could be why C's cannot tell precise dates - and of course I keep in mind their assertions about variability of "future"). So it could be that this 3D STS Gameplay scenario is called Akashic Records...
And this all is happening cyclically in no time ... And there is no 3D STS realm immersed in materiality in Universe that could sustain itself - i guess...
So in this following 4D stage of development Souls could get more radiant vehicles/bodies for new series of experiences - some STO and many STS (Lizzes are preparing some for their 'needs'); as it is enough for balance in Cosmos... So there somewhere could be a mother planet best suited for materialization of 4D post-human stage more radiant bodies and some other (than Akashic) records for those who choose either paths...
Sorry for typing loudly
Yozilla The monster
TheLostBoy
Jedi
Just a few thoughts and questions/ideas I had while reading through this thread:
It seems to me like this is exactly what’s been happening on our planet for a very, very long time now. This raised the question for me as to the nature of our planet as a whole. If Earth is 3rd Density learning ground, so to speak, both STO and STS need an environment conducive to learning, right? So could pathology be a more or less permanent factor on Earth, giving STO opportunity to realize intra-species predators and so on, while at the same time giving STS a large number of empathetic people to learn how better control and manipulate ((STS (de)‘evolution’))?
The proportions seem in the right ballpark to me, as I would wager that a smaller number of pathological individuals would be able to dominate a larger group of non-pathologicals, especially once banded together, just as it takes a larger group of non-pathologicals to realize what’s going on, network and swim against even a relatively smaller yet established STS ‘current’ in order to create change and/or STO domination (numerically speaking). Sort of each needing the other force to be ‘larger’ in a way, so there is a current to swim against for both? STS has more non-pathologicals to dominate, but those STO humans are ‘restricted’ in their options by conscience and empathy that the pathologicals lack ((crediting the arguments for STS as a type of evolutionary (or de-evolutionary, rather?) advantage, as for them specifically it thus would be))?
This also seems to play on adapting the Lierre Keith quote - does STO need STS just as much as STS needs STO? Both depend on each other to lay the groundwork for lessons? Without STS to become aware of and learn through, what would STO or STS do? How much could either grow without examples of the other to learn about and from? So perhaps learning and de-/evolution would be slower with only one paradigm represented? Perhaps only STO or STS on a single planet without the other present, would be an example of long-wave cycle of growth? I cannot imagine absolutely no learning taking place anywhere in the universe, so if short-wave cycle is faster learning/evolution, is short-wave cycle akin to having both STO and STS present at the same time?
Using this quote as a context to explain my thoughts, STSers have been gaining STS knowledge, “succeed[ing] beyond their wildest dreams” so far in learning how to dominate and use the rest of humanity for their gain. At the same time, an environment fully permeated with STS influences is the perfect training ground for STO, as there are examples everywhere for us to learn from. So we learn a lot via STS as a species, and then begin learning what we do not know (pathology, higher functions and abilities of humans, advantages of cooperation and STO networking and so on) via STO?
I imagine the two in a symbiotic relationship where both benefit from the other without ever really knowing it. And since STS contracts inward, they get to know only how to compete and deceive and use, therefore getting what they deserve in that I can only imagine an entirely STS world would never know the joys of an STO world. By working towards STO, are we gaining ‘deservitude’ through knowledge that allows us to live without constantly looking over our shoulders for the next biggest thug as STS might?
As for the Intelligent System ideas presented here, I’m thinking that Earth as a planet has this ‘infection’ of pathology, so to speak, that is continually seeking to dominate and (in the process) destroy it (as a virus would). The Earth creates its own ‘home-remedies’ in the ways of natural disasters in efforts to cleanse it, also providing opportunities for STO influences to watch STS react to these situations and potentially read the signs to realize and deal with the STS presence. But when a critical mass of planetary destruction occurs, coinciding with the human experiential cycle in that a great enough STS influence is needed to allow this much destruction of our planet, every-so-often the Universe sends out an ‘anti-pathologic’ or ‘overall balancing factor’ in the form of cometary bombardments, etc.?
Including it all being tied to the human experiential cycles, we could include various teachers such as Jesus, Gurdjieff, Laura/Cs and so on as home remedies, and perhaps when there is a critical mass towards STS reached via STO not figuring it all out and acting on it within a cosmically inclusive ‘time-frame’ (U.S. past the point of non-‘destruction’) of sorts we end up with cosmic-level ‘house-cleanings’? Seems to tie in humankind as being a determining factor within cycles, yet following a longer, higher-purposed course within the Universe as a whole?
I’m thinking sort of akin to a person getting repeated infections of the same type (pathologicals) and treating it with mixed results via home remedies (natural cleanses, STO, disasters), and then eventually going to the doctor (Universe) when the home remedies aren’t working well enough and there needs to be a major ‘cleansing’ (cosmic-level events, comets, etc.). In this kind of case, would the Earth be moving towards STO in cleansing itself periodically, allowing a chance for its natural immune system (read that, conscious, knowledgable populace living in concert with instead of against the planet) to gain control again?
But then where would be the ‘fun’ in learning for STS? I’m imagining the first passing of what used to be ‘election day’ once robotics took over for STS, and instead of munching snacks and watching all the drama unfold from their comfy chairs, the STSers are all sitting around bored! :P
All just ponderings - nothing concrete. This got a lot longer than I originially intended. Maaaaybe while ya'll are reading through these random thoughts of mine I could do the same, learning to speak less and say more
It seems to me like this is exactly what’s been happening on our planet for a very, very long time now. This raised the question for me as to the nature of our planet as a whole. If Earth is 3rd Density learning ground, so to speak, both STO and STS need an environment conducive to learning, right? So could pathology be a more or less permanent factor on Earth, giving STO opportunity to realize intra-species predators and so on, while at the same time giving STS a large number of empathetic people to learn how better control and manipulate ((STS (de)‘evolution’))?
The proportions seem in the right ballpark to me, as I would wager that a smaller number of pathological individuals would be able to dominate a larger group of non-pathologicals, especially once banded together, just as it takes a larger group of non-pathologicals to realize what’s going on, network and swim against even a relatively smaller yet established STS ‘current’ in order to create change and/or STO domination (numerically speaking). Sort of each needing the other force to be ‘larger’ in a way, so there is a current to swim against for both? STS has more non-pathologicals to dominate, but those STO humans are ‘restricted’ in their options by conscience and empathy that the pathologicals lack ((crediting the arguments for STS as a type of evolutionary (or de-evolutionary, rather?) advantage, as for them specifically it thus would be))?
This also seems to play on adapting the Lierre Keith quote - does STO need STS just as much as STS needs STO? Both depend on each other to lay the groundwork for lessons? Without STS to become aware of and learn through, what would STO or STS do? How much could either grow without examples of the other to learn about and from? So perhaps learning and de-/evolution would be slower with only one paradigm represented? Perhaps only STO or STS on a single planet without the other present, would be an example of long-wave cycle of growth? I cannot imagine absolutely no learning taking place anywhere in the universe, so if short-wave cycle is faster learning/evolution, is short-wave cycle akin to having both STO and STS present at the same time?
Using this quote as a context to explain my thoughts, STSers have been gaining STS knowledge, “succeed[ing] beyond their wildest dreams” so far in learning how to dominate and use the rest of humanity for their gain. At the same time, an environment fully permeated with STS influences is the perfect training ground for STO, as there are examples everywhere for us to learn from. So we learn a lot via STS as a species, and then begin learning what we do not know (pathology, higher functions and abilities of humans, advantages of cooperation and STO networking and so on) via STO?
I imagine the two in a symbiotic relationship where both benefit from the other without ever really knowing it. And since STS contracts inward, they get to know only how to compete and deceive and use, therefore getting what they deserve in that I can only imagine an entirely STS world would never know the joys of an STO world. By working towards STO, are we gaining ‘deservitude’ through knowledge that allows us to live without constantly looking over our shoulders for the next biggest thug as STS might?
As for the Intelligent System ideas presented here, I’m thinking that Earth as a planet has this ‘infection’ of pathology, so to speak, that is continually seeking to dominate and (in the process) destroy it (as a virus would). The Earth creates its own ‘home-remedies’ in the ways of natural disasters in efforts to cleanse it, also providing opportunities for STO influences to watch STS react to these situations and potentially read the signs to realize and deal with the STS presence. But when a critical mass of planetary destruction occurs, coinciding with the human experiential cycle in that a great enough STS influence is needed to allow this much destruction of our planet, every-so-often the Universe sends out an ‘anti-pathologic’ or ‘overall balancing factor’ in the form of cometary bombardments, etc.?
Including it all being tied to the human experiential cycles, we could include various teachers such as Jesus, Gurdjieff, Laura/Cs and so on as home remedies, and perhaps when there is a critical mass towards STS reached via STO not figuring it all out and acting on it within a cosmically inclusive ‘time-frame’ (U.S. past the point of non-‘destruction’) of sorts we end up with cosmic-level ‘house-cleanings’? Seems to tie in humankind as being a determining factor within cycles, yet following a longer, higher-purposed course within the Universe as a whole?
I’m thinking sort of akin to a person getting repeated infections of the same type (pathologicals) and treating it with mixed results via home remedies (natural cleanses, STO, disasters), and then eventually going to the doctor (Universe) when the home remedies aren’t working well enough and there needs to be a major ‘cleansing’ (cosmic-level events, comets, etc.). In this kind of case, would the Earth be moving towards STO in cleansing itself periodically, allowing a chance for its natural immune system (read that, conscious, knowledgable populace living in concert with instead of against the planet) to gain control again?
But then where would be the ‘fun’ in learning for STS? I’m imagining the first passing of what used to be ‘election day’ once robotics took over for STS, and instead of munching snacks and watching all the drama unfold from their comfy chairs, the STSers are all sitting around bored! :P
All just ponderings - nothing concrete. This got a lot longer than I originially intended. Maaaaybe while ya'll are reading through these random thoughts of mine I could do the same, learning to speak less and say more
Kisito
Jedi Council Member
Anart : "In fact, the C's once mentioned the point that souls in 5D are quite interested in current events on the planet in order to determine whether or not the planet can even be used in the 'future' for soul evolution."
JayMark: "From what I know Kisito, I could very well be a 2nd density being at the moment in another dimension or even an atom of nitrogen or a benzene molecule somewhere else. A cat, a bullfrog or even a creature we can't even immagine. Could very well be a huge spaghetti monster as well, who know?
And on top of it if you consider time as being only a perception (and not something absolute from the universe's point of view) it could mean that I am many 2nd density beings and even 1st density as well since the short-wave cycle is based on it (matter). In all times and in all dimensions simultaneously.
Linearity can be a bastard but it is one heck of an illusion. Trying to think something else is quite hard that is for sure. But in reality, everything might just simply be eternal and timeless. We are experiencing something but it does not represent everything. We're only a fraction of it which is most probably infinite and perfect so that's pretty much as far as words can go.
Peace."
I believed to understand that 5D could be reincarnated in our future or in our past, because the time isn't linear, then why 5D is interested in the current events of our planet to be reincarnated, if the time isn't linear!
JayMark: "From what I know Kisito, I could very well be a 2nd density being at the moment in another dimension or even an atom of nitrogen or a benzene molecule somewhere else. A cat, a bullfrog or even a creature we can't even immagine. Could very well be a huge spaghetti monster as well, who know?
And on top of it if you consider time as being only a perception (and not something absolute from the universe's point of view) it could mean that I am many 2nd density beings and even 1st density as well since the short-wave cycle is based on it (matter). In all times and in all dimensions simultaneously.
Linearity can be a bastard but it is one heck of an illusion. Trying to think something else is quite hard that is for sure. But in reality, everything might just simply be eternal and timeless. We are experiencing something but it does not represent everything. We're only a fraction of it which is most probably infinite and perfect so that's pretty much as far as words can go.
Peace."
I believed to understand that 5D could be reincarnated in our future or in our past, because the time isn't linear, then why 5D is interested in the current events of our planet to be reincarnated, if the time isn't linear!
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Kisito said:
Because within this specific timeline, time is linear - even though, on a whole, it is not. The "school" that is 3D incarnation on planet earth in this particular timeline is one which incorporates linear time - so - any entity considering entering this particular "school" would necessarily be interested in the outcome of current events in this timeline. Just because time itself does not exist in the way we currently perceive it does not mean that it doesn't serve its purpose in this particular slice of reality (in this particular dimension and this particular timeline). Not sure if that clarifies.
Psalehesost
The Living Force
Kisito said:
Another answer to this is that the effects of the outcome of current and near-future events would be nonlinear. Past, present and future - or the intertwined cycles of experience experienced as such - would, as I understand it, change in as-yet not fully defined ways, depending on the outcome.
To picture this with our limited understanding, we might imagine history (past, present and future) as being a structure of circles within circles laid out "horizontally" as a surface. Then, we consider change (because the universe is open) in this whole of history and experience to proceed in another axis perpendicular to it - say vertical. In our linear experience, we then move along in both "time" and "time-transcending change" at the same time.
Or, more simply: If the future is also the past, then a change in the present, leading to a change in the future, is also a change in the past, and so everything changes.
OSIT.
Kisito
Jedi Council Member
By reading ANART and Psaleheost, I had this image of the time of Planck.
First of all I try to influence nobody and I am very far from being sure of what I move forward. But as usual since I am here, it's your critics which advance me and I appreciate it a lot. To criticize it's also a being STO, because we are in the service of the knowledge of others.
I have any continuation wanted to symbolize the time of Planck.
Max Planck had emitted the hypothesis that the time was not really linear, but that it was jerky in unit of measure as the space. This smallest temporal unit of measure is called the time Planck. So between every temporal unit of measure there would be undefinable measures which would belong very probably to the quantum physics.
So the real linear time would be the unit of time Planck, because the time is constant. This unit of measure belongs to her alone a cycle, a zero cycle, no interference of which could perturb it. This measure is probably the meeting point between our time and the quantum time. The latter could be between the intervals. Let us imagine that the so called linear time represents small islands which follow each other one after the others. The water would circulate between islands, this water would be the quantum time. So we imagine very well how superior beings of densities which live in the time on the (quantum) water can interfere at the same moment of any period in our so called linear islands.
Maybe that if the superior densities don't manage to see the real future, it's that islands are just like the tectonic plates and that they have to create ceaselessly new islands. What would explain why 4D STS don't still master our future and what they would be for it obliged to change our past. The human being by jumping from islands to islands changes and develops his genetic material, it would not thus be the cause to effect which would give these changes, but the awareness of the realities For a way which I would not know how to explain this human time always goes to the same direction. Of this fact the free will of the humanity is limited by in time jerky islands and which always go to the same direction. I thus emitted the hypothesis that 4D would surround at the same moment our past and some of our future potential. The (quantum) water which bathes islands in the linear so called time, has its own edges and thus its own limits of quantum time.
Quite as an island of Max Plank where the time would have no value the man, quite as the quantum water which has no value for 4D, doubtless 6D one their own value of time, superior to that of the 4D. 6D can plan the future potential of 4D but are not certain of the stemming. Only 7D in the unit of maximal time and should not be been a surprise by future, because it's the time in its entirety and consequently the past and the future doesn't exist.
They are only images, maybe he(it) there are many more temporary cycles. Maybe that 5D remains still influenced by our temporary cycle of 3D?
First of all I try to influence nobody and I am very far from being sure of what I move forward. But as usual since I am here, it's your critics which advance me and I appreciate it a lot. To criticize it's also a being STO, because we are in the service of the knowledge of others.
I have any continuation wanted to symbolize the time of Planck.
Max Planck had emitted the hypothesis that the time was not really linear, but that it was jerky in unit of measure as the space. This smallest temporal unit of measure is called the time Planck. So between every temporal unit of measure there would be undefinable measures which would belong very probably to the quantum physics.
So the real linear time would be the unit of time Planck, because the time is constant. This unit of measure belongs to her alone a cycle, a zero cycle, no interference of which could perturb it. This measure is probably the meeting point between our time and the quantum time. The latter could be between the intervals. Let us imagine that the so called linear time represents small islands which follow each other one after the others. The water would circulate between islands, this water would be the quantum time. So we imagine very well how superior beings of densities which live in the time on the (quantum) water can interfere at the same moment of any period in our so called linear islands.
Maybe that if the superior densities don't manage to see the real future, it's that islands are just like the tectonic plates and that they have to create ceaselessly new islands. What would explain why 4D STS don't still master our future and what they would be for it obliged to change our past. The human being by jumping from islands to islands changes and develops his genetic material, it would not thus be the cause to effect which would give these changes, but the awareness of the realities For a way which I would not know how to explain this human time always goes to the same direction. Of this fact the free will of the humanity is limited by in time jerky islands and which always go to the same direction. I thus emitted the hypothesis that 4D would surround at the same moment our past and some of our future potential. The (quantum) water which bathes islands in the linear so called time, has its own edges and thus its own limits of quantum time.
Quite as an island of Max Plank where the time would have no value the man, quite as the quantum water which has no value for 4D, doubtless 6D one their own value of time, superior to that of the 4D. 6D can plan the future potential of 4D but are not certain of the stemming. Only 7D in the unit of maximal time and should not be been a surprise by future, because it's the time in its entirety and consequently the past and the future doesn't exist.
They are only images, maybe he(it) there are many more temporary cycles. Maybe that 5D remains still influenced by our temporary cycle of 3D?
sbeaudry
Jedi Council Member
Kisito said:
Very interesting post Kisito. Thank you. And thank you everyone for your contributions - this is quite an interesting thread, especially for me still living in the US. It seems the US has become a fine example of sociopathy and is bringing about its own demise and this happens on so many levels it's mind boggling for me. It seems to permeate every level. The financial crisis has certainly highlighted our value system. Bankers run free and the little guy goes to jail or gets kicked out of his/her home, broke and in debt. While the bankers and the institutions really to blame got more money. At the same time we should've been outraged long ago at having primarily only 2 choices for president. Add to that failing infrastructure, worldwide murdering campaigns and the list goes on and on. It will prove itself to be untenable and is its own worst enemy. If I had to guess I'd say the demise of the US is well underway but will end violently whether by revolution, cosmic bombardment, invasion, war, famine, pestilence or all or some combination of these or something else entirely. No doubt it is and will continue to be dramatic. There is much to learn from but it's easy to get distracted and hard to know what to do or what to choose or even when. I'm lost but I know that I'm lost at least. Too bad about the US because it really could've stood for so much hope and compassion but has twisted into something monstrous that is now unchecked by the Constitution and seeming without any real higher moral value. Sadness. Disappointing really. Of course the Roman Empire was destroyed yet Rome remains so there is perhaps some hope for salvaging parts of what were great and I know there are still some fine and compassionate individuals here. Something has to give but I really hope humanity survives whatever is coming this way. I have faith that it's possible but I often wonder how probable it is. Anywho, keep up the good work everyone thank you.
