gnosisxsophia
Jedi Council Member
Well, that’s a shame, had hoped someone else may have found the topic interesting too…
So anyhoo, returning to the subject of the Labrys / Labrinth etc. “Dumuzi’s” peculiar –
- statement and wondering whether there may be some correlation within the context of Inanna’s metaphorical ‘boat of heaven’? While researching the ‘double axe’ and its wonderful myriad symbolism, there came a point where my pattern seeking mind started to find some interesting (at least to me) perceived correspondences.
In retrospect, also making Laura’s word play from this session notable.
Finding it then quite the illuminating conjunction of ‘Zeus’ with the hourglass figure of the ‘Goddess’
Considering the geographical Minoan civilisations predating of Ancient Greece anyway… plus the ‘invoking’ of storms concept, theoretically, also seemed a feasible relationship between inclement weather and an asterism that continues to dominate the Northern winter sky.
Thus, the Zeus / Isis dichotomy (as related to ‘the axe’) then seemed compelling via the common thread of ‘Orion’, via ‘Osiris’, and once more ‘Inanna’.
“The Lamentation of Isis and Nephthys” text then standing out as but one of many examples where the celestial “who’s who in the zoo” appeared to not only be heavily derived from the ‘Inanna / Ereshkigal’ duality but also overtly tied to the rising and setting of the ‘Hunter’?
The below translation being from R. O Faulkner's work (on the Berlin Papyrus 3008), where among other things we find the ‘sister-goddesses’ calling ‘Osiris’ to re-join the living –
A Sumerian influence then feeling rather overwhelming and perhaps highlighting further pieces (pardon the pun) that could be connected -Egyptian Abydos as one example;
Home to the Great Osiris temple as well as the Osireion;
Where again the Egypto – Sumerian correspondence contained an Osiris:Labyrinth correlation;
The Osireions ‘connection’ to the river Nile was also about to get interesting (in a celestial sense) but before I start wandering… to get back to ‘Dumuzi’s’ peculiar ‘snake hands / feet’ statement. Originally within the celestial ‘Labrinth’ theory, that the asterism of the ‘snake bearer’ possessed not only an overt hand / snake relationship but also proximity to a ‘Bull’ (the now obsolete Taurus Poniatovii) and thus conceivably a ‘Minotaur’, had gotten me thinking about ‘crosses’, of all things – which I’ll come back to;
Though unfortunately, I was unable to find a way to hang the serpent / foot thing on Ophiuchus…
On the other hand, during my ramblings ‘Cadmus’ (the first Greek hero and, alongside Perseus and Bellerophon, the greatest hero and slayer of monsters before the days of Heracles…) had become a rather interesting figure after finding that some commentators overlaid the two characters due to the snake thing. And with the echo of Inanna / Ereshkigal, Persephone / Kore etc. contained in the myth of Cadmus’ ‘sister’ Europa, abducted by Zeus in the form of a bull and taken to Crete - where she gave ‘birth’ to Rhadamanthus, Sarpedon and Minos - added to the fact that he possessed plenty of other ‘serpent’ cred;
Prompted one of ‘his’ images to really get the gears whirling;
As it had happened to strongly remind me of another anthropomorphised asterism;
And as touched on elsewhere, by this stage the ‘god with the upraised arm’ had become quite the familiar motif – ‘Cadmus’ another that coincidentally fit the bill;
Thus making ‘his’ peculiar appellation intriguing;
Primarily due to the coincidence that with one of the roots possibly ‘foot’:
And that the name ‘Rigel’ is said to derive from the Arabic الرجل (al-Rijl) meaning "foot", led me pick up a planisphere and face North…
Belatedly recognising that while I had long related the asterism to the Summer Solstice, ‘Orions’ re-appearance in the night sky also turned out to be a leading indicator of the coming of Spring (Southern Hemisphere). And that if one was paying attention to the timing of the whole ‘hourglass’ rising above the horizon (around midnight) it also marks the equinox. As does its descent / disappearance, at the same hour, accurately herald the coming of Autumn!
Whereby the oriental flavour of “Cadmus’” other uncertain etymologies - struck as uncanny:
Much like ‘Orion’ as it so happens…
Within the ‘Labyrinth’ theory, then also making the trio of Levant, Anatolia and Akkad (as related to ancient Sumer) stand right out;
As related to the odd ‘serpent / foot’ relationship anyway…because it then looked like we may have had a contender?
As touched on here, having learnt that some cultures viewed the sinuous figure of Eridanus not only as ‘river’ but also as serpent!
Making me wonder then if the Labrys WAS to be correlated with Labyrinth and thus Taurus with the ‘Minotaur’, than it seemed rather curious where the snake/hands/feet ‘thread’ had ended up...
Ariadne?
And back around once more to ‘Cadmus’ - Inanna, Ishtar, Isis and so on…
At which point a quote attributed to, the aptly named, Lucian brought to mind something the ‘C’s had said that had niggled and niggle and niggled for years…
A ‘rose’, for mine, perceived as the ultimate feminine metaphor:
And with the ‘C’s witty ‘blind man’ reference, had also long wondered if that was an ‘Orion’ in-joke?
Where Lucian’s illuminating “Sigma versus Tau” dialogue came in:
Hmmm…
Because had also that discovered that, depending on who you read, some commentators attribute the origin of not only the Greek letter Tau, but also Theta (in its archaic form) to the ancient goddess symbol of the ‘double-axe’ - funnily enough, BOTH crosses…
This form of Theta conceivably also a stylised combination of the double-axe both rising and setting?
And so on…
Leading to other curiosities to rumble around my cluttered brain...
But anyway, that's about it for the moment because now I'm back to wondering about Gobekli Tepe's curiously twinned Tau shaped 'hunters' in light of the 26000 year precession of the equinoxes...seeing as I figure 'Orion' would have been approximately 180 degrees out of phase around about then?
Cheers
J
So anyhoo, returning to the subject of the Labrys / Labrinth etc. “Dumuzi’s” peculiar –
- statement and wondering whether there may be some correlation within the context of Inanna’s metaphorical ‘boat of heaven’? While researching the ‘double axe’ and its wonderful myriad symbolism, there came a point where my pattern seeking mind started to find some interesting (at least to me) perceived correspondences.
In retrospect, also making Laura’s word play from this session notable.
Finding it then quite the illuminating conjunction of ‘Zeus’ with the hourglass figure of the ‘Goddess’
Considering the geographical Minoan civilisations predating of Ancient Greece anyway… plus the ‘invoking’ of storms concept, theoretically, also seemed a feasible relationship between inclement weather and an asterism that continues to dominate the Northern winter sky.
Thus, the Zeus / Isis dichotomy (as related to ‘the axe’) then seemed compelling via the common thread of ‘Orion’, via ‘Osiris’, and once more ‘Inanna’.
“The Lamentation of Isis and Nephthys” text then standing out as but one of many examples where the celestial “who’s who in the zoo” appeared to not only be heavily derived from the ‘Inanna / Ereshkigal’ duality but also overtly tied to the rising and setting of the ‘Hunter’?
The below translation being from R. O Faulkner's work (on the Berlin Papyrus 3008), where among other things we find the ‘sister-goddesses’ calling ‘Osiris’ to re-join the living –
A Sumerian influence then feeling rather overwhelming and perhaps highlighting further pieces (pardon the pun) that could be connected -Egyptian Abydos as one example;
Home to the Great Osiris temple as well as the Osireion;
Where again the Egypto – Sumerian correspondence contained an Osiris:Labyrinth correlation;
The Osireions ‘connection’ to the river Nile was also about to get interesting (in a celestial sense) but before I start wandering… to get back to ‘Dumuzi’s’ peculiar ‘snake hands / feet’ statement. Originally within the celestial ‘Labrinth’ theory, that the asterism of the ‘snake bearer’ possessed not only an overt hand / snake relationship but also proximity to a ‘Bull’ (the now obsolete Taurus Poniatovii) and thus conceivably a ‘Minotaur’, had gotten me thinking about ‘crosses’, of all things – which I’ll come back to;
Though unfortunately, I was unable to find a way to hang the serpent / foot thing on Ophiuchus…
On the other hand, during my ramblings ‘Cadmus’ (the first Greek hero and, alongside Perseus and Bellerophon, the greatest hero and slayer of monsters before the days of Heracles…) had become a rather interesting figure after finding that some commentators overlaid the two characters due to the snake thing. And with the echo of Inanna / Ereshkigal, Persephone / Kore etc. contained in the myth of Cadmus’ ‘sister’ Europa, abducted by Zeus in the form of a bull and taken to Crete - where she gave ‘birth’ to Rhadamanthus, Sarpedon and Minos - added to the fact that he possessed plenty of other ‘serpent’ cred;
Prompted one of ‘his’ images to really get the gears whirling;
As it had happened to strongly remind me of another anthropomorphised asterism;
And as touched on elsewhere, by this stage the ‘god with the upraised arm’ had become quite the familiar motif – ‘Cadmus’ another that coincidentally fit the bill;
Thus making ‘his’ peculiar appellation intriguing;
Primarily due to the coincidence that with one of the roots possibly ‘foot’:
And that the name ‘Rigel’ is said to derive from the Arabic الرجل (al-Rijl) meaning "foot", led me pick up a planisphere and face North…
Belatedly recognising that while I had long related the asterism to the Summer Solstice, ‘Orions’ re-appearance in the night sky also turned out to be a leading indicator of the coming of Spring (Southern Hemisphere). And that if one was paying attention to the timing of the whole ‘hourglass’ rising above the horizon (around midnight) it also marks the equinox. As does its descent / disappearance, at the same hour, accurately herald the coming of Autumn!
Whereby the oriental flavour of “Cadmus’” other uncertain etymologies - struck as uncanny:
Much like ‘Orion’ as it so happens…
Within the ‘Labyrinth’ theory, then also making the trio of Levant, Anatolia and Akkad (as related to ancient Sumer) stand right out;
As related to the odd ‘serpent / foot’ relationship anyway…because it then looked like we may have had a contender?
As touched on here, having learnt that some cultures viewed the sinuous figure of Eridanus not only as ‘river’ but also as serpent!
Making me wonder then if the Labrys WAS to be correlated with Labyrinth and thus Taurus with the ‘Minotaur’, than it seemed rather curious where the snake/hands/feet ‘thread’ had ended up...
Ariadne?
And back around once more to ‘Cadmus’ - Inanna, Ishtar, Isis and so on…
At which point a quote attributed to, the aptly named, Lucian brought to mind something the ‘C’s had said that had niggled and niggle and niggled for years…
A ‘rose’, for mine, perceived as the ultimate feminine metaphor:
And with the ‘C’s witty ‘blind man’ reference, had also long wondered if that was an ‘Orion’ in-joke?
Where Lucian’s illuminating “Sigma versus Tau” dialogue came in:
Hmmm…
Because had also that discovered that, depending on who you read, some commentators attribute the origin of not only the Greek letter Tau, but also Theta (in its archaic form) to the ancient goddess symbol of the ‘double-axe’ - funnily enough, BOTH crosses…
This form of Theta conceivably also a stylised combination of the double-axe both rising and setting?
And so on…
Leading to other curiosities to rumble around my cluttered brain...
But anyway, that's about it for the moment because now I'm back to wondering about Gobekli Tepe's curiously twinned Tau shaped 'hunters' in light of the 26000 year precession of the equinoxes...seeing as I figure 'Orion' would have been approximately 180 degrees out of phase around about then?
Cheers
J
