What are the "Lizzies"?

[shijing]

Hi dannybananny --

This was explained in more detail in wave chapter 11k-Nexus 7 meets C's, here is further excerpt:

When information about the "flat emotional condition" of the aliens began to be discussed, a new explanation was offered. They now claimed that they were trying to save humanity from a dreadful mistake of evolution where we lost the capacity for the full range of emotions and spontaneity. Naturally, this was also tied up with some sort of cataclysm that most people did not survive. It was again claimed that, to aid the abduction process is to save ourselves in the future. Thus, supporting abductions was presented as a matter of human species future security.

One source said:

"Those of us in the future who followed the path that deserted the Heart, we evolved into abnormal extremes, we of such interspecies genetic masteries and technological power.

"We limited our brain chemistry for passion and feelings in ways to promote group harmonies, and help in our species 'upgrade' at the time. In time, the human enhancement program upgrades were discovered to have been more of a loss of vital function. The cost-benefit was miserable to development of certain qualities of spirituality and spiritual energies.

"This was partly by choice, partly out of survival circumstances at the time. We eventually lost our way, but by universal grace we found means to travel back in time and encode the best of our future lifestreams with the best of your present life streams, and thus move on to grow again in ways we had lost.

"We leave you in peace to grow into a future that will be new and different than the one we ourselves have come from. That future is the undiscovered country, and don't worry, in the end we are all together anyway you slice it. But our genetic uplift influence is not necessary at all if you merely don't resist the coming wave of cosmic energies and influences.

"Just weather this time of momentous change in human history. Find the small ways you can assist present human evolution in important personal and social ways, and develop your ability to give and receive love.

"But be careful with whom you ally in the spiritual world. Follow all your sacred faith tests, and or sacred science tests, for revealing false prophets and then some."

Thanks for posting the above excerpt. I'm not sure if this quite answers the question, though, because it is still describing a 3D-only situation, very similar to the Burisch scenario I mentioned above. The main point I am wondering about is this:

Q: This Top Secret document and the Anna Hayes material to some extent, both talk about many abductions being “ourselves from the future” who have come back to the past, or what is for us, the present, to abduct their own bodies to make genetic adjustments so that they can advance and not make the mistakes they made in another timeline. Is that, in fact, part of the scenario?
A: Very close to the truth!

I offered my own guess at what this might mean above, but the C's answer is really very open to interpretation. If 4D is involved, "time" can't be understood in the linear 3D sense, so the notion described above that the Grays are somehow devolved former humans from our future doesn't necessarily fall out of what's described above (plus, the fact that they have been described as cybergenetic probes which are "grown" militates against that conclusion anyway). They are really only the instruments through which abductions are perpetrated, with the Lizards working through them, so that is why I wondered about the Lizard connection.

Maybe the emphasis is really only on "make genetic adjustments so that they can advance and not make the mistakes they made in another timeline," and it doesn't involve any specific continuity between humans and the 4D STS we are currently aware of. Otherwise, it's possible that the C's answer is partially or entirely incorrect for some reason -- out of deference for a guest during that session, or because of disruption of the channel, or maybe something else. I'm not sure.

 

[Hesper]

Q: This Top Secret document and the Anna Hayes material to some extent, both talk about many abductions being “ourselves from the future” who have come back to the past, or what is for us, the present, to abduct their own bodies to make genetic adjustments so that they can advance and not make the mistakes they made in another timeline. Is that, in fact, part of the scenario?
A: Very close to the truth!

I offered my own guess at what this might mean above, but the C's answer is really very open to interpretation.

I'm not sure if this is anywhere close, but if our bodies are bioengineered, and the Lizzie's were the ones that created them, then in a sense could they be "abducting their own bodies", planning to "amalgamate" with those who choose STS in order to escape from their enemy? Again, sorry if this is just noise.

 

[shijing]

I'm not sure if this is anywhere close, but if our bodies are bioengineered, and the Lizzie's were the ones that created them, then in a sense could they be "abducting their own bodies", planning to "amalgamate" with those who choose STS in order to escape from their enemy? Again, sorry if this is just noise.

I don't think it's noise, Hespen, and this could be a potential explanation. I've wondered if this could be tied in to the ability of 4D to merge 3D realities. 4D apparently has the ability to see our timeline continuously, from the past to the future (from our perspective), which implies that they are able to perceive certain outcomes in our future based on the present. One thing I've considered is that the apparent discrepancy between what seemed to be described as an invasion by real Nephalim in the earlier transcripts, and the current invasion we are experiencing by psychopathic humans as discussed in the most recent session, may have been indicative of one such merger. We know that 4D STS is aiming at a particular future outcome (which seems to be a moving target for them, although they may not see that clearly as a result of wishful thinking) during the timeframe surrounding the intersection of our reality with the Wave. Perhaps they saw that the original reality involving real Nephalim was going to fall short of their goal, and so they created a new reality involving an indigenous invasion and merged that into our timeline/reality because it was considered to be more effective for some reason. Something along the lines of what you suggest could be part of that, and might make sense in terms of them having to make continuous "course corrections" at different points in our timeline to steer towards that target, some of which involve abductions.

 

[dannybananny]

I'm not sure if this is anywhere close, but if our bodies are bioengineered, and the Lizzie's were the ones that created them, then in a sense could they be "abducting their own bodies", planning to "amalgamate" with those who choose STS in order to escape from their enemy?

Everything is possible, but i don't see how they can escape their "enemy" if they choose STS, if we assume they are gone go to 4D with STS polarization then they go to lizzies and others on STS path and become part of hierarchy otherwise they I think would be destroyed because they don't stand a chance against STS forces if we assume they are on their frequency(we have to have in mind that ra said 96 per cent of negative frequency and I think that it can't be done very easy if you don't have control over the whole world, and if elite go there's they also have to embrace their lords because alone they don't stand chance against them if they want to choose their STS path because they wouldn't have pact with them) if they were STO that is different story i think but in a STS world that would be like some small country goes against NATO. But i think on that excerpt that they want to go more on STO path if we assume it isn't desinfo.

We know that 4D STS is aiming at a particular future outcome (which seems to be a moving target for them, although they may not see that clearly as a result of wishful thinking) during the timeframe surrounding the intersection of our reality with the Wave. Perhaps they saw that the original reality involving real Nephalim was going to fall short of their goal, and so they created a new reality involving an indigenous invasion and merged that into our timeline/reality because it was considered to be more effective for some reason

Don't know, C's were always very precise and would say that some outcomes are very open but didn't say that about Nephalim, they said they are invasion forces that are 3D and are living on 4D and said they will come after the earth changes and that we will have to fight with them(psychopaths on the other hand really can't fight people with their hands), so that means they will be used probably in 4D, but psychopaths are i see it like silent invasion that goes for long time to keep people under control until the earth changes. Yes, they weren't mentioning psychopaths before and they used only word Consortium, secret government, brotherhood of snake, Illuminati so it means that the silent invasion was done already when they mentioned Nephilim, one possibility is that the psychopats were already there(I think that is the case) or if there was merging pathocraths were already there-silent invasion was done. Maybe they weren't mentioning psychopaths because no one asked them until that time and they are very sensitive to free will on 6D. Or there was merging but i don't think it has connection with Nephilim because Nephilim invasion comes later. I see psychopaths like puppets and they can't go to 4D STS because they don't have soul so the other part of that crew have to be pathocrats with soul that aren't much different from psychopaths and maybe even worse if they are consciouss of their STS choice(Ra said that Hitler, Himmler, Goering were with soul and that last two went to 4D and many would say they all three were psychopaths) because have in mind that C's said that some have reincarnated from life to life in same bloodlines to have their mission done, only one thing that connects them(psychopaths and negative soul units) is wishful thinking that is making them blind.

If 4D is involved, "time" can't be understood in the linear 3D sense, so the notion described above that the Grays are somehow devolved former humans from our future doesn't necessarily fall out of what's described above (plus, the fact that they have been described as cybergenetic probes which are "grown" militates against that conclusion anyway).

I agree time can't be understood and that it's complicated for us to grasp it but if we assume that there are parallel universes then it means there are different futures also involving 4D because this "aliens" wouldn't be here in the first place and if we assume they are telling the truth.

(plus, the fact that they have been described as cybergenetic probes which are "grown" militates against that conclusion anyway).

that is contradictory but i remember reading long time ago Alex Collier and yes, I know he is a desinfo but there was something that there was human civilization conquered by Orion STS and genetically altered and all females were killed so after few generations they became like gray unable to reproduce. C's also said in the first transcripts that grays are dieing, so I speculate because there are so many gray species there that some of them aren't robots if we take this story of Haynes for true, but I could be easily wrong if this is desinfo .

Maybe the emphasis is really only on "make genetic adjustments so that they can advance and not make the mistakes they made in another timeline," and it doesn't involve any specific continuity between humans and the 4D STS we are currently aware of

But the interesting question is how did they lose their feelings if they didn't have technology for that and there isn't continuity? Maybe I didn't understand you but if there was a fall and we live in a matrix how it's possible that there isn't continuity with 4D STS.

 

[shijing]

Don't know, C's were always very precise and would say that some outcomes are very open but didn't say that about Nephalim, they said they are invasion forces that are 3D and are living on 4D and said they will come after the earth changes and that we will have to fight with them(psychopaths on the other hand really can't fight people with their hands), so that means they will be used probably in 4D, but psychopaths are i see it like silent invasion that goes for long time to keep people under control until the earth changes. Yes, they weren't mentioning psychopaths before and they used only word Consortium, secret government, brotherhood of snake, Illuminati so it means that the silent invasion was done already when they mentioned Nephilim, one possibility is that the psychopats were already there(I think that is the case) or if there was merging pathocraths were already there-silent invasion was done. Maybe they weren't mentioning psychopaths because no one asked them until that time and they are very sensitive to free will on 6D. Or there was merging but i don't think it has connection with Nephilim because Nephilim invasion comes later.

After reviewing a little, I think you're right -- I had gotten the impression and was making the assumption that the actual Nephalim were out of the picture at this point, but technically, it could just be that they are still on the way and haven't arrived. So I don't think that the idea I suggested above about merging realities is necessary per se. The recent discussion about the psychopathic invasion is kind of interesting in light of this though:

Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session and I want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received instructions from higher density beings about creating a ‘Master Race.’ Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic ‘master race?’
A: Both similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd and 4th density stock.

Q: (L) So they were essentially trying to breed a group of people like themselves?
A: Yes.

Q:
A: Not point. How would you suggest creation?

Q: (L) Okay. They were preparing this breeding ground, so to speak. Obviously this was for the introduction of some other genetic strain. What was this?
A: Nephilim.

Q: (L) Well, if the Nephilim are coming in ships, 36 million of them, why bother to create half-breeds here?
A: Yes, but having an “advance party” makes 3rd density conquest much easier.

Q: (L) So, this Master Race was supposed to get everything ready...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, what is it about the Semitic genes that was considered to be so undesirable in the creation of this ‘Master Race?’
A: Would blemish genetic characteristics inclined to ruthlessness and domination.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that there is something, some genetic tendency or set of genes in the Semitic type that would counteract this?
A: Close.

Maybe the emphasis is really only on "make genetic adjustments so that they can advance and not make the mistakes they made in another timeline," and it doesn't involve any specific continuity between humans and the 4D STS we are currently aware of

But the interesting question is how did they lose their feelings if they didn't have technology for that and there isn't continuity? Maybe I didn't understand you but if there was a fall and we live in a matrix how it's possible that there isn't continuity with 4D STS.

I think you may have misunderstood -- by "continuity", I wanted to indicate direct transition of individual consciousness units (personalities, or selves) from 3D humanity to 4D STS.

 

[LQB]

I may be forgetting the proper context here, and thus noise, but what if some future selves made the successful transition to 4D STS and return to this timeline by abducting "themselves" in order to correct a mistake - the mistake being a less than fruitful harvest the first time? This would make the purpose of these abductions dovetail with increased deception, programming/manipulation.

 

[Hesper]

Everything is possible, but i don't see how they can escape their "enemy" if they choose STS, if we assume they are gone go to 4D with STS polarization then they go to lizzies and others on STS path

Hi dannybananny,

I didn't really say what I meant to say. What I meant to say was that the Lizzies were trying to escape their "enemy" by merging with those who chose STS, not the other way around. Hope this clears that up.

 

[dannybananny]

I think you may have misunderstood -- by "continuity", I wanted to indicate direct transition of individual consciousness units (personalities, or selves) from 3D humanity to 4D STS.

Ok, thanks for explanation, I think you 're right on this, if they (4D STS) are master genetics they can do everything they want, maybe even changing DNA to function in 4D without wave transition, they did change our genetics so it wouldn't be a problem for them to change it again.

 

[shijing]

I may be forgetting the proper context here, and thus noise, but what if some future selves made the successful transition to 4D STS and return to this timeline by abducting "themselves" in order to correct a mistake - the mistake being a less than fruitful harvest the first time? This would make the purpose of these abductions dovetail with increased deception, programming/manipulation.

Actually, that's kind of the way I read this the first time (this is what I meant by continuity between 3D and 4D). The one thing about that scenario that seems kind of weird is that it means (at least some) 4D Lizards would have originally been 3D humans. No idea if that kind of "species" transition is possible, but stranger things seem to happen...

 

[LQB]

I may be forgetting the proper context here, and thus noise, but what if some future selves made the successful transition to 4D STS and return to this timeline by abducting "themselves" in order to correct a mistake - the mistake being a less than fruitful harvest the first time? This would make the purpose of these abductions dovetail with increased deception, programming/manipulation.

Actually, that's kind of the way I read this the first time (this is what I meant by continuity between 3D and 4D). The one thing about that scenario that seems kind of weird is that it means (at least some) 4D Lizards would have originally been 3D humans. No idea if that kind of "species" transition is possible, but stranger things seem to happen...

Maybe that would be a good question for the C's.

 

[anart]

I may be forgetting the proper context here, and thus noise, but what if some future selves made the successful transition to 4D STS and return to this timeline by abducting "themselves" in order to correct a mistake - the mistake being a less than fruitful harvest the first time? This would make the purpose of these abductions dovetail with increased deception, programming/manipulation.

Actually, that's kind of the way I read this the first time (this is what I meant by continuity between 3D and 4D). The one thing about that scenario that seems kind of weird is that it means (at least some) 4D Lizards would have originally been 3D humans. No idea if that kind of "species" transition is possible, but stranger things seem to happen...

I think it might be helpful to remember that the 'Lizzies' only appear (to us) as 'Lizzies' due to the fact that this is how their essence is manifested. They appear Reptilian because their essence is contractile, self-serving and entropic. So, with this thought in mind, it would make sense that anyone who developed STS qualities in their essence to a high enough degree would 'manifest' as a 'Lizzie' in 4D variable physicality reality.

Thinking of it as 'species' (as we tend to think of species) is a bit limiting, to my understanding, though I certainly could be missing parts of the puzzle!!

 

[Oxajil]

I think it might be helpful to remember that the 'Lizzies' only appear (to us) as 'Lizzies' due to the fact that this is how their essence is manifested. They appear Reptilian because their essence is contractile, self-serving and entropic.

Isn't it also something biological that makes them "reptilian" looking? Since there are also 4D STS blonde hair blue eyes types of beings. (I think)

 

[nwigal]

I think it might be helpful to remember that the 'Lizzies' only appear (to us) as 'Lizzies' due to the fact that this is how their essence is manifested. They appear Reptilian because their essence is contractile, self-serving and entropic.

Isn't it also something biological that makes them "reptilian" looking? Since there are also 4D STS blonde hair blue eyes types of beings. (I think)

Maybe what makes them look the way the do is just the FRV being expressed through a hyper-geometrical pattern that cycles into engineered 3D perception as linear biology over time, which is for them another spatial dimension, depending on who they are and what they see, just position and velocity. Shape-shifters have to follow rules, too, but the interference patterns from wishful thinking can generate a lot of results, from lizards to blond haired blue eyed angels of light, neighbors and loved ones, and lots of things in between.
Maybe the crop circle geometries that generate organic forms are a clue to this process?
Maybe there is something biological that they are using to maintain this way of being, parts of us? We are no different. We are what we eat, and some are becoming what is eating us.

I am becoming an old fool that only really old ones, children, and small critters can see. That is more than enough, OSIT.

 

[Turgon]

Don't know, C's were always very precise and would say that some outcomes are very open but didn't say that about Nephalim, they said they are invasion forces that are 3D and are living on 4D and said they will come after the earth changes and that we will have to fight with them(psychopaths on the other hand really can't fight people with their hands), so that means they will be used probably in 4D, but psychopaths are i see it like silent invasion that goes for long time to keep people under control until the earth changes. Yes, they weren't mentioning psychopaths before and they used only word Consortium, secret government, brotherhood of snake, Illuminati so it means that the silent invasion was done already when they mentioned Nephilim, one possibility is that the psychopats were already there(I think that is the case) or if there was merging pathocraths were already there-silent invasion was done. Maybe they weren't mentioning psychopaths because no one asked them until that time and they are very sensitive to free will on 6D. Or there was merging but i don't think it has connection with Nephilim because Nephilim invasion comes later.

After reviewing a little, I think you're right -- I had gotten the impression and was making the assumption that the actual Nephalim were out of the picture at this point, but technically, it could just be that they are still on the way and haven't arrived. So I don't think that the idea I suggested above about merging realities is necessary per se.

Q: (L) I was reading some of the transcripts earlier today. One of the things I read was about the Nephilim and their interactions with human beings and about other planets and molecularization, etc. Then, I was reading about the planet Kantek, Are there any human beings, on Earth, at the present time, who carry in them the Nephilim genes?

A: Yes.[...]

Q: (L) Would these Nephilim genetics be passed down in the natural way, or would they be the result of genetic manipulation by genetically altering a fetus and then putting it back?

A: No to latter. One clue: double Y chromosones.

Q: (W) That's male...

A: Nephilim were.

Q: (L) They, were male. Women are a double X, men are XY.

A: Prisons are filled with double Y's with monstrous personality disorders, almost always Caucasian and over-sized.

Q: (L) On TV they interviewed a serial killer. He was huge! He described killing. The shrink who was analyzing said he did it because he wanted to get caught. I did not get that feeling. I think he did it just because it was what he did. [...] Big. Caucasian. My, my, my. Is there any other clue you can give?

A: Nephalim are not currently on your world, just trace residuals.

Q: (L) Trace residuals in people. And there are supposed to be 36 million of them coming...

A: With the wave.

The above transcript quotes tend's to follow the idea of an advance party, at least in regards to trace residuals of Nephilim DNA here on Earth, particularly in large, Caucasians, whom, if not in prison, would make perfect candidates to become part of the psychopath's lackey's in the military, police, or any type of role that would give them potential violent control over the general populace.

Although after thinking about it, this also makes a lot of sense too!

4D apparently has the ability to see our timeline continuously, from the past to the future (from our perspective), which implies that they are able to perceive certain outcomes in our future based on the present. One thing I've considered is that the apparent discrepancy between what seemed to be described as an invasion by real Nephalim in the earlier transcripts, and the current invasion we are experiencing by psychopathic humans as discussed in the most recent session, may have been indicative of one such merger. We know that 4D STS is aiming at a particular future outcome (which seems to be a moving target for them, although they may not see that clearly as a result of wishful thinking) during the timeframe surrounding the intersection of our reality with the Wave. Perhaps they saw that the original reality involving real Nephalim was going to fall short of their goal, and so they created a new reality involving an indigenous invasion and merged that into our timeline/reality because it was considered to be more effective for some reason. Something along the lines of what you suggest could be part of that, and might make sense in terms of them having to make continuous "course corrections" at different points in our timeline to steer towards that target, some of which involve abductions.

Seeing as deja-vu is courtesy of 4D STS altering the current course of events, does that mean that some of the C's predictions or information given earlier may not be applicable today because of the multiple altered courses of humanity and the openness of the future?

 

[shijing]

I think it might be helpful to remember that the 'Lizzies' only appear (to us) as 'Lizzies' due to the fact that this is how their essence is manifested. They appear Reptilian because their essence is contractile, self-serving and entropic.

Isn't it also something biological that makes them "reptilian" looking? Since there are also 4D STS blonde hair blue eyes types of beings. (I think)

There is one part of the transcripts that addresses this (finally found it!):

Q: Now, I THINK that my second question will be a lot quicker and simpler! If, at 4th density, there is variability of physicality, and the Lizzies, as you have previously said, are engineering new bodies for themselves to occupy in some sort of mass transition at the time of this realm border crossing; in this state of variability of physicality, why do they need to engineer new bodies for themselves? Why, in point of fact, are Lizzies, Lizzies?
A: Too many questions.

Q: Why do they look like Lizards?
A: They do not.

Q: Well, why do we call them Lizard Beings? I mean, YOU named them that?
A: We label in accordance with your familiarity. If we had called them “Drachomonoids,” what would be your point of reference??

Q: What do they REALLY look like?
A: You can figure as needed.

Q: You said they resemble upright alligators with humanoid features, six to eight feet tall...
A: Yes.

Q: So, why do they look like that?
A: Biology.

Q: Does biology exist at 4th density?
A: Yes.

Q: Yet, its a variable physical density, right?
A: Yes, but what is your assumption here?

Q: I don’t know what my assumption is. I guess that I am assuming that if it is a variable state, they could have a different biology very easily. Isn’t that the case?
A: No.

Q: Can they appear as something else? Change their physicality?
A: Temporarily.

Q: When you say ‘temporary,’ what exactly do you mean? Temporal relates to time.
A: We have explained before that the biggest single factor regarding densities is the awareness level.

Q: The awareness level. Okay, how does that relate to them only being able to temporarily change their appearance. Is this because they can control OUR awareness?
A: Closer. Are you not yet aware that absolutely everything, we repeat: everything is an illusion?!?

Q: At some level, yes. So, still I ask, why, in the illusion in which we exist, or in which they exist...
(A) They say here that everything is an illusion, and on the other hand they say there is consciousness and matter. Everything is an illusion? Even this?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) God is also an illusion?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) Illusion to whom?
A: To those not on level 7. Your learning naturally dictates your experiences. Once you no longer require something, you naturally move beyond it. However, you retain it as a function of understanding.

Q: (A) And I am also an illusion! And understanding is also an illusion!
(L) Back to my question: who created Lizzies AS LIZZIES?
(A) Our illusion...
A: Everything is real, therefore, illusion is reality.

Q: (L) If everything is an illusion, from what does this illusion spring, and into what space does it spring?
A: Your consciousness.

Q: (L) Where did this consciousness originate?
A: Consciousness is the absolute, the center point.

Q: (L) Where is it centered?
A: Within the access.

Q: (L) What is the access?
A: The prompt that begets energy.

Q: (L) Of what is this energy made?
A: The consciousness.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time when this consciousness did not exist?
A: No, but there never was a time.

Q: (L) What prompted this consciousness to dream up all these illusions?
A: Need for balance. Energy cannot exist within a vacuum, therefore it must pulse. Hence you have waves.

Q: (L) You say that the impetus for dreaming up all the illusions was the need for balance; that implies imbalance, and that the imbalance was existence in a vacuum...
A: No.

Q: (L) What was the impetus for the need for balance?
A: Not a need, per se, just a natural function.

Q: (L) Well, when you have a pulse, you have a wave, and if you have a wave, that implies time.
A: Therein lies the crux of your 3rd density illusion. Why assume that any given aspect of the pulse is not occurring simultaneously with any other. And if any are, all are. Until you once and for all break free from the illusion of time, you will not advance.

Q: (L) Well, back to my question...
A: No, your question cannot be answered unless you stop assuming the range of acceptable answers.

Q: (L) I am done, then.