A: We are not clear about your interesting interpretation there, but it is true that you have an interactive relationship with the wave however, as stated before, you are in an interactive relationship with the wave in a sense, in that the wave is a part of your reality, always has been and always will be. And, of course, it does involve your progress through the grand cycle. And the perpendicular reality, again is, of course, an advancement from the core outward which is yet another reflection of all reality and all that exists. Now, we wish to return to the visual representation as mentioned previously. If you notice the core circle connects with all seven sections to the outer circle. Now, picture that outer circle as being an ever expanding circle, and each one of the seven segments as being an ever expanding line. Of course, now, this will expand outward in a circular or cyclical pattern. Please picture visually an expanding outer circle and a non-expanding inner circle. Contemplate that and then please give us your feelings as to what that represents.
Q: (L) Does it represent an expansion of our knowledge and consciousness?
A: That's part of it.
Q: (L) Does it represent also expanding influence of what and who we are on that which is around us?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) Does it also represent a more...
A: Oops! We detected a slippage of your visual representation! Contemplate, if you will, the ever-expanding outer circle and the non-expanding inner circle, and, of course, the seven partitions also moving outwardly. What type of shape does that form in your mind's eye?
Q: (L) A wheel?
A: Is that all?
Q: (T) A pie?
A: Keep going.
Q: (L) An eye.
A: Now we are starting to turn it into a sphere! Why would it turn into a sphere?
Q: (L) How can it turn into a sphere?
A: How can it not!
Q: (SV) It is going in ALL directions, not just flat...
A: Is a straight line a straight line or a...
Q: (L) Oh, you're not talking about a circle?
A: We are talking about a circle. What becomes of a circle if you expand it outward forever?
Q: (J) It disappears.
A: It disappears? How can it disappear? Where does it disappear to? We ask you that, Jan? Jan?
Q: (J) Visually, as the outer circle expands, the inner circle becomes smaller and smaller until it disappears. As you continue to expand out with the outer circle, the inner circle disappears.
A: But where does it disappear to?
Q: (J) A black hole?
A: A black hole. Well, that's a possibility. But, we really didn't want you to concentrate so heavily on the smaller circle, now did we? It's the outer circle.
Q: (T) The outer circle is used to encompass more and more.
A: And what shape does it begin to take on? I want you to look at this outer circle expanding outward!
Q: (J) Are we to assume that the seven spokes remain the same size in relation to the circle?
A: Well, answer that question for yourself.
Q: (L) Okay, we are looking at it as a plane representation. As a flat surface.
A: Well, what happens to a flat surface if you extend it outward forever?
Q: (L) Well, we don't know. That, that... (SV) It keeps on going.
A: It keeps on going?
Q: (L) Yeah, bigger and flatter!
A: It does? What happens to a line if you extend it forever and ever?
Q: (Laura and Susan) It keeps on going.
A: It does?
Q: (L) Um hmmm!
A: Where does it go to?
Q: (SV) Forever. (J) Back to itself. (L) We don't know that.
A: Oh, someone said "Back to itself."
Q: (J) Like a snake taking hold of its own tail.
A: Why don't we know that?
Q: (L) Because we don't. It is conjectured that space is curved...
A: "Because we don't know. Now, why don't we know?
Q: (L) Because we haven't been there.
A: Had Columbus been outside of Italy and Spain?
Q: (L) Okay, we are going to assume that if it keeps on expanding it will eventually come back to itself...
A: No, no, no wait! We asked a question!
Q: (L) Well, of course Columbus had an idea that there was something but he hadn't been there, no. But he went and checked it out.
A: Did he have just an idea?
Q: (L) Well, pretty much, I guess.
A: Hmmm. That's not the way we remember it. The way we remember it is that he had instinct and imagination and when he married his instinct with imagination, it became reality. And, when it became reality, he had created a reality which he was fully confident would be manifest in the physical third density reality. It wasn't that he was confident. He knew it to be so. He didn't stop himself by adding prejudice to the equation which is what you are doing when you say: "Well, we don't know what happens because we have never been there!" Think logically, please. We have told you so many times that everything is a grand cycle. If it's a grand cycle, we have told you about circles within circles. We have told you about cycles. We have told you about short wave cycles and long wave cycles. Now, after all this information that you have asked of us, which we have more than happily given to you, would you expect that a straight line would just go out forever and ever and ever as a straight line? How could it possibly do that? What happens if you take, on your third density earth, and you draw a straight line to the East or to the West or to the North or to the South...
Q: (J) It comes all the way back to itself.
A: Right...
Q: (L) Okay, so we're living in a big globe!
A: Are we?
Q: (L) Well, that is what it sounds like, a big circle?
A: Oh, my, my, my. You need more study and learning, my dear. Need more study. Even your Albert Einstein had a theory about what happened.
Q: (L) Yes, but that was just a theory.
A: Oh, well I guess then it must be dropped. We'll never know. It's just a theory. Well, we'll just forget about it.
Q: (T) I'm still expanding the circle... (SV) Me too.
A: Very good, that was the idea. It keeps going and going and going.
Q: (L) Well, mine does too, but it hasn't come back and met anything. So, what's the point?
A: Does there need to be a point?
Q: (L) Of course!
A: Who says? We are trying to help you learn. When do you expect to shut down this process?
Q: (J) Never. (L) Gee, I hope never.
A: Then there never is a point!
Q: (J) Point taken! (L) There is no point. [Laughter.] Well, if you expand the circle outward and continue expanding it in all directions, it pulls the seven spokes with it which encompasses more and more space in a cross section, and then turn that circle, you have a sphere.
A: Precisely. But Laura says that means we are living in a big globe. And, maybe we are.
Q: (T) Well, it wouldn't be a big globe, so to speak, it would only be a big globe within the circle. If the circle continues to expand, it would just continue to go outward and outward and the globe would become bigger and bigger and bigger... (L) You're making me nervous... (T) But it goes outward forever... cause there is no end to going out...
A: There isn't?
Q: (SV) Nope.
A: Well, then maybe there's no beginning.
Q: (T) Well, there wouldn't be a beginning, just a big, open void. An infinite void...
A: If there's no end and no beginning, then what do you have?
Q: (L) No point. (J) The here and now.
A: The here and now which is also the future and the past. Everything that was, is and will be, all at once. This is why only a very few of your third density persons have been able to understand space travel, because even though traveling into space in your third density is every bit as third density as lying on your bed at night in your comfortable home, the time reference is taken away. Something that you hold very close to your bosom as if it were your mother. And, it is the biggest illusion that you have. We have repeatedly told you over and over that there is no time, and yet, of course, you have been so brainwashed into this concept that you cannot get rid of it no matter what you do, now can you? Imagine going out into space. You'd be lost when confronted with reality that everything is completely all at one? Would you not? Picture yourself floating around in space!
Q: (L) I don't want to. (J) There is also no space! (T) Does the sphere keep expanding... as the circle expands and you turn the circle 180 ', you get a sphere. As the sphere continues to expand it, you take a point on the outer edge of the sphere in order to take the sphere about itself, you get a donut, an ever expanding inner tube. (L) With a black hole in the middle! (SV) Why does it have to be a black hole? (J) It's a spiral. (T) If you take that and twist it, you get an even larger inner tube. It just continues to expand and encompasses more space...
A: And now, when you merge densities, or traverse densities, what you have is the merging of physical reality and ethereal reality, which involves thought form versus physicality. When you can merge those perfectly, what you realize then, is that the reason there is no beginning and no end is merely because there is no need for you to contemplate a beginning or an end after you have completed your development. When you are at union with the One at Seventh density, that is when you have accomplished this and then there is no longer any need for difference between physical and ethereal forms.
