What is "feminine energy"?

[go2]

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Perhaps the concepts of patriarchy and matriarchy narrow the possibilities for humanity by encouraging identification with masculine energy or feminine energy...

Perhaps so. I rather like my idea that each human being is always both female and male and that the third force is also present as that which is actively mediating to keep the balance tipped toward a specific physical gender. But that may just be my imagination.
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I am the Third Force child of the First Force masculine spirit entering the Second Force material world. It is a lesson for me to refuse identification with gender. This is an on going experiment resulting from the forum's First Force suggestion that I often evidence black and white thinking. My body, history and psyche are Second Force feminine resistance to freedom from gender identification. Gender identification is black and white thinking limiting my understanding that I am the Third Force child of spirit and matter.

It is my understanding of the Law of Three that the Third Force is not a mediator, but is the creation of the interaction of masculine energy initiating a wish into the feminine world of time and space. The masculine or feminine gender markers are used to facilitate understanding of the concept of initiative entering time and space to create form, by relying on the analogy of sexual relationship of man and women, as that metaphor is more accessible to connecting the experience of all three centers of function.

There are many ways of using masculine and feminine energy to understand our reality. The Law Three is the one I find most useful given my more and more obvious limitations and the on going effort to create a new man.

 

[obyvatel]

I am the Third Force child of the First Force masculine spirit entering the Second Force material world. It is a lesson for me to refuse identification with gender. This is an on going experiment resulting from the forum's First Force suggestion that I often evidence black and white thinking. My body, history and psyche are Second Force feminine resistance to freedom from gender identification. Gender identification is black and white thinking limiting my understanding that I am the Third Force child of spirit and matter.

An effort to understand masculine and feminine energies as they play out inside our psyches as well as in the outer world is not necessarily related to gender identification. This may well be a lesson that needs to be learnt in 3D reality as here one cannot ignore gender - differentiation and not identification may be the key here.

I am curious where the general idea of feminine as resistance came from. I could be mistaken but from my understanding, the Law of Three is inherently context dependent and labeling one force as always feminine (if I am understanding you correctly) seems to go against the spirit of the Law of Three. As an example let us consider a creative artistic idea. It is incubated as a feminine aspect, and then actualized in the real world through the application of masculine energy resulting in the child - the creative artistic product. In another example. a dark mood or feeling trying to engulf a person's psyche can be resisted by the masculine characteristic of logic and reason resulting in whatever the outcome may be.

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It is my understanding of the Law of Three that the Third Force is not a mediator, but is the creation of the interaction of masculine energy initiating a wish into the feminine world of time and space.
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I often wonder why this age of materialism is not thought of as a matriarchy. This age is identified with consumption and material splendor, but is barren and meaningless without the initiative to spiritualize a living world.
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Why is the world of time and space or this age of materialism a purely "feminine world" - if I am getting what you are expressing here?


[quote author=go2]
There are many ways of using masculine and feminine energy to understand our reality. The Law Three is the one I find most useful given my more and more obvious limitations and the on going effort to create a new man.
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Law of Three is best invoked in specific context and to understand the context, it may be helpful to understand what energies are playing what role which changes dynamically. Abstraction has its place in understanding but sometimes it could also hinder progress by standing at a distance instead of familiarizing oneself with things the way they are at our level of reality - and gender does seem to be a reality at the 3D level.

My take on this fwiw

 

[go2]

I am the Third Force child of the First Force masculine spirit entering the Second Force material world. It is a lesson for me to refuse identification with gender. This is an on going experiment resulting from the forum's First Force suggestion that I often evidence black and white thinking. My body, history and psyche are Second Force feminine resistance to freedom from gender identification. Gender identification is black and white thinking limiting my understanding that I am the Third Force child of spirit and matter.

An effort to understand masculine and feminine energies as they play out inside our psyches as well as in the outer world is not necessarily related to gender identification.

Yes, not necessarily, but most often one sees “feminine energy” or “masculine energy” through the subjective lens of gender identification. It is best to understand the interaction of feminine energies and masculine energies impartially, absent the subjective lens of gender identification. Hence, it has long been an esoteric practice to use the metaphor of relationship of man and women creating a child as the avenue to deeper understanding of the universal Law of Three and in a feedback loop, learning a deeper appreciation of the relationship of masculine and feminine energies.

This may well be a lesson that needs to be learnt in 3D reality as here one cannot ignore gender - differentiation and not identification may be the key here.

Yes, for me the lesson was conveyed by the metaphor of the union of man and woman creating a child. The metaphor’s imagery parallel with the abstractions of the Law of Three overcomes the obstacle of gender identification hindering understanding of the concept feminine energy. May I suggest impartiality as well as differentiation as a key to comprehending the Law of Three and possibly what we mean in a universal sense by “feminine energy” .

I am curious where the general idea of feminine as resistance came from. I could be mistaken but from my understanding, the Law of Three is inherently context dependent and labeling one force as always feminine (if I am understanding you correctly) seems to go against the spirit of the Law of Three.

The idea emerges from the archetypal image of sexual union of man and woman creating a child. The man is literally thought of as the active partner and woman as the immobilized or passive partner. We know this image is useful as a metaphor for the interaction of energies which could be called X and O, but then we would not be afforded the nearly universal knowing of this metaphor when we wish to convey the concept of the Law of Three or to attain an impartial understanding of “feminine energy” as an energetic role determined by the Law of Three. I see nothing in the ISOTM or Beelzebub’s Tales which lead me to conclude that the Law of Three is context specific. A Law is universal and independent of context which it describes and defines. The Law of Three is universal for all levels of creation. Permit me to quote ISOTM.

“The teaching of the three forces is at the root of all ancient systems. The first force may be called active or positive; the second, passive or neutralizing; the third, neutralizing. But these are merely names, for in reality all three forces are equally active and appear as active, passive, and neutralizing only at their meeting points, that is to say, only in relation to one another at a given moment. The first two forces are more or less comprehensible to man and the third may sometimes be discovered either at the point of application of the forces or in the ‘medium’, or in the ‘result’. ……

Let us suppose, for instance, that a man wants to work on himself in order to change certain of his characteristics, to attain a higher level of being. His desire, his initiative, is the active force. The inertia of all his habitual psychological life which shows opposition to his initiative will be the passive or the negative force.

As an example let us consider a creative artistic idea. It is incubated as a feminine aspect, and then actualized in the real world through the application of masculine energy resulting in the child - the creative artistic product.

Yes, the original idea is the active force incubating in time and space which is the passive or resistance force necessary to form the total creative idea. The form of the final creative idea is the child of the initial idea meeting the resistance of time and the associations of the brain to become the final idea. The will to actualize the creative idea is the active masculine force introduced into the world of time and matter. The active force of will meets the resistance of matter and time to create the end artistic product. This is a complex exercise when we reduce forces in the world of becoming to a static role.

In another example. a dark mood or feeling trying to engulf a person's psyche can be resisted by the masculine characteristic of logic and reason resulting in whatever the outcome may be.

Is the dark mood feminine or is it masculine? Why is logic and reason a masculine characteristic? It seems to me the dark mood is active as it tries to dominate one’s inner state. Reason and logic seem active, but they are active resistance to the active encroaching darkness. So, we have the active feminine resisting the active masculine. A force can be active or passive, initiating and resisting, affirming and denying, etc.; depending on its role. Am I mixing levels? Yes, it is not a simple exercise to name energy masculine or feminine. The world is a complex place for my simple mind. The Law of Three seems to determine whether logic and reason are masculine or feminine.

It is my understanding of the Law of Three that the Third Force is not a mediator, but is the creation of the interaction of masculine energy initiating a wish into the feminine world of time and space.

I often wonder why this age of materialism is not thought of as a matriarchy. This age is identified with consumption and material splendor, but is barren and meaningless without the initiative to spiritualize a living world.

Why is the world of time and space or this age of materialism a purely "feminine world" - if I am getting what you are expressing here?

You add “purely” to my thought limiting it to feminine. I did not have that intention, but offered the thought based on the idea that matter is resistance to the initiative of will. If, for a moment, you can accept the masculine and feminine as metaphors for the active and passive forces of the Law of Three can we glimpse materialism, time and space as feminine. Perhaps, these associations of abstract Law of Three and the image of man and woman together creating a child as a metaphor of this Law is not useful to most minds. I find this exploration useful and hoped others might as well.

There are many ways of using masculine and feminine energy to understand our reality. The Law Three is the one I find most useful given my more and more obvious limitations and the on going effort to create a new man.

Law of Three is best invoked in specific context and to understand the context, it may be helpful to understand what energies are playing what role which changes dynamically.

Yes, I agree, as it is my experience that Law of Three offers deep insight into the dynamic relationship of feminine and masculine energies. The forces may assume different roles depending upon context. A force may be feminine in one context and masculine in another context and sometimes simultaneously. You state in one sentence the gist of my thoughts. Why don't you consider this question of "feminine energy" such a "specific context"?

Abstraction has its place in understanding but sometimes it could also hinder progress by standing at a distance instead of familiarizing oneself with things the way they are at our level of reality - and gender does seem to be a reality at the 3D level.

Yes, gender is a reality at the 3D level and it is the subjective lens of gender identification which inhibits a deeper understanding of feminine energy. Energy has no gender, except the role it plays in the great game of creation. Energy flows from the masculine to the feminine role, depending on the context defined and described by the Law of Three.

It is the capacity to know with thinking, feeling, and instinctive-motor functions simultaneously, which enables one to understand feminine energy. I see gender identification as one of the rats loose in world and abstraction is a function necessary to approach an impartial examination of “feminine energy”. One thinks while using metaphor to engage the feeling and instinctive-motor functions of memory to enable an impartial, but fully engaged examination of “feminine energy”.

The interaction of forces in the Law of Three has been communicated by the analogy of the relationship of man and women meeting and a child being born for millennia. I find a feedback loop between the abstractions of the thinking center and the feeling and instinctive-motor knowing of the real world of relationships between a man and a women useful in pondering this concept of “feminine energy”.

Obyvatel, how do you understand things the way they are at our level without standing at a distance for an abstract view? Don’t we need to simultaneously engage our thinking, feeling, and physical functions in the exploration of our reality?

 

[obyvatel]

I am curious where the general idea of feminine as resistance came from. I could be mistaken but from my understanding, the Law of Three is inherently context dependent and labeling one force as always feminine (if I am understanding you correctly) seems to go against the spirit of the Law of Three.

The idea emerges from the archetypal image of sexual union of man and woman creating a child. The man is literally thought of as the active partner and woman as the immobilized or passive partner. We know this image is useful as a metaphor for the interaction of energies which could be called X and O, but then we would not be afforded the nearly universal knowing of this metaphor when we wish to convey the concept of the Law of Three or to attain an impartial understanding of “feminine energy” as an energetic role determined by the Law of Three. I see nothing in the ISOTM or Beelzebub’s Tales which lead me to conclude that the Law of Three is context specific. A Law is universal and independent of context which it describes and defines. The Law of Three is universal for all levels of creation.

My intent was not to state that the Law Of 3 is not valid in some contexts but that its application is inherently context dependent. If I am understanding you correctly, you have adopted the view that to understand reality at our level, you will try to apply the universal Law of 3, and once you have identified the forces at play, label the passive/resisting force as feminine. It is a sound principle as per my current understanding - and if it works for you on a practical level, then that is fine. Speaking for myself here, I would find that approach to be difficult in practice. I find it easier or natural to look at certain characteristics/forces as representatives of masculine or feminine nature and see their dynamic interplay. In this way, logic, reason, abstraction, justice are usually masculine while feeling, intuition, relatedness, nurturance are feminine.

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An effort to understand masculine and feminine energies as they play out inside our psyches as well as in the outer world is not necessarily related to gender identification.

Yes, not necessarily, but most often one sees “feminine energy” or “masculine energy” through the subjective lens of gender identification. It is best to understand the interaction of feminine energies and masculine energies impartially, absent the subjective lens of gender identification. Hence, it has long been an esoteric practice to use the metaphor of relationship of man and women creating a child as the avenue to deeper understanding of the universal Law of Three and in a feedback loop, learning a deeper appreciation of the relationship of masculine and feminine energies.
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Per my understanding, men and women both have access to both types of energies - masculine and feminine. How much one can access and the way they individually express these energies vary. In this sense, there is impartiality.

[quote author=go2]

It is my understanding of the Law of Three that the Third Force is not a mediator, but is the creation of the interaction of masculine energy initiating a wish into the feminine world of time and space.

I often wonder why this age of materialism is not thought of as a matriarchy. This age is identified with consumption and material splendor, but is barren and meaningless without the initiative to spiritualize a living world.

Why is the world of time and space or this age of materialism a purely "feminine world" - if I am getting what you are expressing here?

You add “purely” to my thought limiting it to feminine. I did not have that intention, but offered the thought based on the idea that matter is resistance to the initiative of will.
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If I am understanding your interpretation of the law of 3 in this context, the spirit is the masculine force, matter is the feminine force of resistance. Materialism in that sense becomes a carrier of the feminine energy. But your understanding is not that matter or this age of materialism can be termed as purely feminine. Perhaps "pure" was a wrong choice of word on my part - "predominant" would probably be better in this context.

Law of Three is best invoked in specific context and to understand the context, it may be helpful to understand what energies are playing what role which changes dynamically.

Yes, I agree, as it is my experience that Law of Three offers deep insight into the dynamic relationship of feminine and masculine energies. The forces may assume different roles depending upon context. A force may be feminine in one context and masculine in another context and sometimes simultaneously. You state in one sentence the gist of my thoughts. Why don't you consider this question of "feminine energy" such a "specific context"?

Basically because it does not feel natural to me yet. Like I mentioned above, it seems like certain types of energies are inherently feminine - what effect their role has in the specific context is dynamic. At least that is my current way of looking at this.

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Abstraction has its place in understanding but sometimes it could also hinder progress by standing at a distance instead of familiarizing oneself with things the way they are at our level of reality - and gender does seem to be a reality at the 3D level.

Yes, gender is a reality at the 3D level and it is the subjective lens of gender identification which inhibits a deeper understanding of feminine energy. Energy has no gender, except the role it plays in the great game of creation. Energy flows from the masculine to the feminine role, depending on the context defined and described by the Law of Three.
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Obyvatel, how do you understand things the way they are at our level without standing at a distance for an abstract view? Don’t we need to simultaneously engage our thinking, feeling, and physical functions in the exploration of our reality?
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Abstractions have their useful role but they work best in conjunction with a closer "experiential" feel of reality. Otherwise, abstractions can take one away from reality into some ivory tower. From my understanding - which could well be wrong - the 3D reality of gender does not necessarily create a problem for understanding masculine and feminine energies. I think men and women both have access to what we call masculine and feminine energies. However the mode of access and perhaps more importantly, the mode of expression of these energies through a man or woman varies naturally. To understand such expressions in a practical manner, one may need to take a closer look at what goes on inside.

And one starts where he/she is - and here a certain amount of gender identification could be inevitable - even hard-wired by nature. Our essence or soul could very well be beyond gender - but our physical bodies and personalities are generally not. Certain degree of gender identification could be a source of strength in the journey towards wholeness bringing in useful lessons from an unique perspective - if we are able to accept and work with what we have. OSIT

 

[cubbex]

Here, we also find the feminine symbolism applied to the ever expanding creative side of "God":

Organic Portals - The "Other" Race. Part II

The special function of the sexual centre in souled beings is explained further by the C's:

Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?
A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual center and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.
Q: From where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?
A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.

True creativity comes from this connection with "7th density in its 'feminine' creative thought of 'Thou, I Love'" in its conjugation with the higher emotional and intellectual centers. Thus the souled individual is able to "create" in the sense of manifesting something new through his or her thought and the connection to 7th Density. This is a profound process for it ties us directly to the "Creator", to the One.

Thanks for that quote Ana.

I thought about femenine aspect as the way you manifest creativity, and I don't know, the male energy necessary for the process. Like the law of three.

 

[François]

Very inforrmative thread, I have to take more time for re-reading some very interesting points & posts (and look at the references)
as feminine and representatives are a big enigma for me...

 

[Menna]

Real life example of feminine energy...

I was at the airport today...I saw two kids run up to greet their mom with a sign that said "Happy Mothers Day." The mom started to cry and the kids ran over very happy and excited to greet their mom. I also started to tear after seeing this because I realized that the kids had a bond of excitement to see the mother and the emotion that the mother had was a result of creating the kids. This dynamic was created and is now lived out here on earth. Makes the quote "The best things in life are free." ring true

 

[pstott]

From my understanding of Gurdjeff's teachings and reading Ouspensky and others, all that exists is the product of the interaction of three vibratory emanations from the Source - the positive or active, the negative or receptive, and the reconciling forces.

The interference patterns generated by this continual broadcast result in the particles and energies which make up everything on the several planes of existence.

The patterns thus generated work at different levels of vibratory frequencies to establish the different realms of the "densities" - like different frequencies of radio transmisson as a simplification.

Modern physics has recently suspected that we might be living in a hologram - I think that this is probably true - but in more than 3 dimensions. We look at a 2-dimensional holographic film and perceive a 3rd dimension, and perhaps a 4th as our point of view moves. Imagine that these three forces are interacting on a 3 or perhaps 4 dimensional substrate...

This is a trinity of energies that work together in a continual act of creation, and as time as we know it is just an illusion, there is not the traditional sequence of "cause and effect" to which we have become accustomed.

To use the common analogy, it could be that the reconciling force (the child) causes the positve (masculine) and the negative (feminine) to interact together.

In this scheme of things however it takes all three to create something.

At least the way I see it.