What woke you up???

Many interesting stories here and early learners. Me, though, I am a late learner.

My girlfriend teased/tested me a couple of years ago by suggesting to me I watch the documentation "zeitgeist" and tell her afterwards what I think. Especially the part about 9/11 had me caught completely of guard and I was so shocked, I researched for a long time about 9/11 after that. Then I researched about the financial system, central banking, usury, etc. and how it is a control/slavery tool. Along the trip I tripped also over SOTT, which I started to consult and read more often then any other site (thank god I never got really into Alex Jones, he had something disturbing with his aggressive ways). Then I decided to dig more into the "guys behind SOTT" and check also all those other sites and topics connected to SOTT. The alien subject had me terrified (via the wave books mainly, plus Richard Dolan's conference video), because I was alone at home at that time and I had a couple of very uneasy and sleepless nights (I even left some light source on, I was almost freaking out).
 
I sorta peruse the Alex Jones site so as to catch a trend or look at the financial section. That's where most people are vulnerable is in the pocket book. I feel like you do about Alex Odysseus, he is a bit to forceful I think it could be because he's passionate. Then part of me thinks he could be part of the disinformation machine. I can't be sure.
 
DGF said:
I sorta peruse the Alex Jones site so as to catch a trend or look at the financial section. That's where most people are vulnerable is in the pocket book. I feel like you do about Alex Odysseus, he is a bit to forceful I think it could be because he's passionate. Then part of me thinks he could be part of the disinformation machine. I can't be sure.
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I like the fact that Alex Jones calls some of the PTB onto the carpet but, I get the sense that the reasons behind his actions are more about him than the causes he supports. He appears to me to be a showboater.
 
That's an intersting observation, Rip. Sounds like you hit the nail on the head. He seems to get really angry, still it more of a dog and pony show. I've noticed he and his guess talk in circles a lot, which gets on my nerves, as it's a waste of time to listen.
 
There are quite a few Alex Jones threads on this forum. If interested you guys can look them up using the search function. The biggest thread on him is here .
 
DGF said:
That's an intersting observation, Rip. Sounds like you hit the nail on the head. I seems to get really angry, still it more of a dog and pony show. I've noticde he and his guess talk in circles a lot, which gets on my nerves, as it's a waste of time to listen.
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I think I would like to think of it as a "dog and phony" show. After reading just a few pages of the link that obyvatel provided in the above post I am now more of the opinion that it is more than just ego with Jones. It is ego, money, power, etc. Just like the very people he calls out. He does seem to be in bed with the same people he criticizes.
 
Someone lent me Noam Chomsky's Massey Lectures. He was good start, don't agree with 100% of what he says now and he seems to stop short in instances. However he did start me questioning the world as it seemed to be presented in the mainstream media. I found the cass site some 7 years later. That REALLY started giving me a shake.

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/massey-archives/1988/11/07/1988-massey-lectures-necessary-illlusions/

Noam Chomsky inquires into the nature of the media in a political system where the population cannot be disciplined by force and thus must be subjected to more subtle forms of ideological control.

Noam Chomsky considers how the media might be democratized in order to offer citizens broader and more meaningful participation in social and political life.
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Interestingly, the media did in a way become democratized through the internet and the later web 2.0 developments such as blogs etc; then got firstly co-opted and then dumbed down with facebook and twitter.
 
Emmm.. I've always been a light sleeper ;) so I could say that many situations in life have had me questioning the reality of my existence. I kept storing the memories and questions until a couple of years ago when I found the C's transcripts and this forum. This is what is keeping me more in the wake than sleep state nowadays and all the constant learning and reading. :)
 
I while back I had a period of intense reading of books dealing with near death experiences and parapsychology. One of those books was Charles Tart's "Waking Up!", which is a very readable and practical introduction to Gurdjieff and 4th Way. It certainly made sense, seeing this mechanical way of working in myself and people around. With time however, the realisation faded to the background.

Fast forward a few years, and a man in the train compartment I was sitting talked about 9/11 being an inside job, with no traces of the Pentagon plane found. I was very doubtful at the time, but later on did a search and stumbled upon The Pentagon Strike website. That really shook me up, to put it mildly. From there I found my way to Sott, Laura's work and the forum.

I am a VERY long way from being awake, but at least there are occasional moments of "wakefullness" now.
 
I was reading "A Case for Faith" because I began to feel separated from what I termed God as a freshman in college. I realized half of the way through the book that God could not exist. I began seeking other forms of understanding the world around me. I became a pretend pagan, I joined the Masons, I read the Koran, I read the Bahagivad Gita. I met Brother Jed on MU campus and followed him around for 2-3 days and oh man did I realize religion was a shame. He was actually quite funny and I do have a signed edition of his book. I had no idea he was a you tube sensation till much alter on in life. However the fear of Hell persisted. I read the Shack and that brought me closer to letting go of Hell. But the biggest moment for me when I knew really knew was after I watched Zeitgeist addendum. Looking back now I see it was filled with its own mind control techniques and loose research, however it changed me. After about a year and a half of grasping around the internet and figuring things out on my own (well I did have a friend or two to bounce Idea's off of that were receptive, also a close friend of mine that I met in the Serving Industry was very helpful in deprogramming me) I found Sott.net and I never looked back. Although I still take a naps, I am generally AWAKE now.

Anyone seen Kymatica? _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Bn3uYqaXA&feature=related
I would like others opinions on it. Also to anyone that's seen it, the Admiralty Law thing, I want to see if representing oneself as a Natural Person vs. A Cooperate person is feasible.

The_Seeker
 
Ever since I was a small girl, I've wondered what will happen to me when I die. I mean, this was the period that I've constantly thinking about it not just question and continue with playing and stuff.... And these questions about God and stuff, nobody ever gave me satisfying answer…. :/
Since my mom is conservative person and father was never around, I could not ask anyone about it so I've give up in a way....
I've had a friend which was older than I am and she was all into horoscopes and other life and I remember reading i.e. Arthur C. Clarke books when I was about 10 years old.

And I've always felt like I don't fit here and like I'll wake up from some dream. I still have this feeling I can not describe, like this all is not happening to me. :huh:

I lived with these questions all my life but I didn't know where to start and learn, I did not have internet and none of my friends didn't care about these things so I've just tried to “fit in”. But when I had a chance to read something, especially mythology and ancient cultures, I’ve eaten these books and wanted more.

And then some years after, a friend borrowed me Z.Sitchin’s “12 planet” and this was my trigger I suppose. It showed me different view on things but I wasn’t somehow right. :/
So I’ve started to research on many different subjects on esoterica, history,… and came across with Cassiopeia and Pleiades etc and here I am reading your forum. :)
I’m not awake but on my way…. ;)
 
Great to read your post Mari. I've had moments throughout my life where I've caught glimpses of a particular child-hood memory. I don't know whether it was a dream or what it was, but it feels like the memory is remembered to me from outside my life.. as if no time has ever past, the memory when it is dull feels like a light shining through time, having shone on and off at different stages. But when I am remembering closesly it feels different like I am the memory, (but the memory is not memory but an existence) and my body is dust.. while I am still here in my body, but that some periods of time don't exist or I do not exist in periods of my life.
I do not really feel awake, I feel like the world is made of ash, and my head is a sweaty radio-box, though at the same time this somehow doesn't feel bad.. something is going on where I am desperate and addicted to the desperation, somehow this desperation burns me up leaving me with deep but horrifying sense of peace.
 
Hi

What first woke me up a few years ago was an encounter with my mother’s doctor, her doctor was a female (in the US) in her 40’s, an oncologist to be precise, my mother had cancer and out of the blue the doctor told my mother something like “you need to know that you are going to die”, something like that, something along those lines but certainly she used the words “going to die” because of cancer; I was there with my mother in the hospital and the two of us were alone with the doctor when she told her this.


It was a very sad scenario, and the saddest thing to me was that my mother was not *about to die*, if you know what I mean, of course she had cancer and she was in a very bad situation and she never left the hospitals but the doctor told her that, she passed away about 2 months after that.
It just seemed (and seems) plain cruel to say this to a human being who is already in pain; then we took our mother to another hospital and another doctor told her almost exactly the same words. I tried to calm my mother and give her some hope of course, to say the least, but I never forgot the doctor’s face, so cold and un-emotional.


After that I started thinking why do doctors have to say this? Or more precisely, what drives a human being to choose a profession where they are told that they have to say to another person that he/she is going to die? I guess my point is that I *understood* it from an intellectual point of view (I don’t agree) but at the end of the day, what kind of person would say this to another person, under ANY circumstance? Aside from the politics of Medicine, my quest was about what personality would do this (?)


Also, during that time, someone very close to my family, a family member, refused to go to the hospital and help with some stuff, we just needed her for like 2 hours a week, you know a cancer patient needs time and help and there were only 2 of us left in my family and this third person refused to help because, literally, “I don’t like to go to hospitals”, when I heard this I was once again shocked and extremely sad, I never imagined that she would say this; again I understood her position but then again something was very off because at the end of the day she didn’t work, she had a lot of free time to help us a bit but she choose not to, and she was (is) VERY close to us, I didn’t get into any discussion nor told her anything. This experience also lead me to discover and understand empathy/lack of empathy/consciousness/Personality disorders, Etc.

This lead to the understanding of Empathy and how some people just don’t have it (not that all doctors don’t have it and certainly I wasn’t generalizing, but this is how it all started), and then this lead to Narcissism and Psychopathy; after this episode in my life, I started asking myself questions about war and poverty, why does it never ends and what/who are the main reasons for Humanity’s All Time Problems, this lead to the book “Bush on The Couch” and Political Ponerology and then of course Laura’s work and this Forum :) Thank you!!
 
There have been many shocks through out my life that have rocked me to the core and taken away many doubts I may have had before. Broken down the lies I tell to myself, and I am sure there are still a few more to come.

The first of many was one that has always stayed with me throughout my life. Part of my childhood was spent on a farm out near Vera Cruz, Mexico. My mother's family had a huge farm they built two houses about half a mile apart but facing each other. We had sugar cane planted between the houses and were fully grown in long rows that we would run through. I was with my cousins, about four of us kids around 8 years old and two dogs. As we approached my grandmothers house a very strong wind came toward us, very cold and chilling to the bone that almost knocking us over. We were still in the cane fields and the dogs were going nuts! We all ran towards the house and the wind stopped. Everything got really still. We all could not move for some odd reason but when we looked at the house the front door and the shutters to the windows where slamming open and shut. The dogs just kept going nuts. We all looked at each other to make sure we were all seeing the same thing. As an eight year old child on this farm I saw a lot of stuff but this one told me there was definitely some thing beyond our preception of what we can see. I never was the same.

As far as a first psychopathic awakening of what type of people are in this world... I had an interesting encounter with police when i was about 17 years old. A group of us were at a mountain/scenic park. The police showed up and wanted to teach us a lesson. We were not drinking, it was not after hours, just a few of us enjoying the view after a game at school. No one was doing anything wrong. They roughed the guys slamming them against the police cars, yelling at us they put handcuffs on all of us and put us in the back seat of the police cars. They took my bag and the other girls personal belongings. I was shocked.... all though life i was told to trust police. There are supposted to be here to protect and to serve right? That is what we are told in school. This was so frightening to me. I was sure my parents were going to have to bail me out of jail for what?? I really did not know. They would not tell us, our rights were not read. They eventually let us go. When they drove off, I realized they still had my stuff. So, we got in the car still shooken up form the whole ordeal but followed them out. They new we were following them and they rollled down their window and dumped my stuff out on the street while driving and flung my empty bag out in the street. I think we all just sat back, watched it happen. We had not idea why they were so hateful to us an in disbelief that there are people like hiding behind a badge and we are fooled that they are here to protecting us. At that point i knew we are not all the same. We may look the same some what but there is something terribly wrong with our society.
 
Rainwater, I've always had a dim view of our friends in blue. Well I noticed at a young age how they seemed unfair to my dad, long story.

Laura by the sea, I understand how you must feel about how the Doctor but they have to be that way to avoid the emotions that they feel. Even they sound cold, they empathize, to show it is not proper bed side manner. I use to work with them.
 
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