When does pride in your race cross the line?
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To the wind, by the sound of it. Paleface is projecting all over the place. Ignore him.
"white ally"
"white advocate" 
"pro-White viewpoints" 
.Dude, the only thing that we can all agree on is that you're a nut.
Yeah, let's plan some 'White Lives Matter' marches. Maybe burn down a black ghetto or something. Instead of taking the knee, we could require people to prostrate themselves, preferably in some mud (white mud, of course).
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YEAH! Just look at NYC for example, it's full of people who aren't white. Where the hell did they come from anyway? Hail Victory Brother.
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
dang, I'm sorry I fed the troll, I missed that point"white ally"
Dude, the only thing that we can all agree on is that you're a nut.
Also, I do not want to be utterly dismissive either. Psychegram was right in that the identitarian worldview is something an increasing amount of young people are steeped into at all times, from institutionallized to social culture, always having to see the world and themselves through the lens of identification. There's a non-zero chance PaleFace was genuine and litteraly couldn't comprehend my position as anything less than "anti-white" rather than the anti-identitarian that it is.
I gather the intent of the joke, but do not think it was worthwhile to make, especially if PF was a troll this looks like the actual reaction he wanted to elicit, and I wouldn't want to provide ammo against the forum
psychegram
The Living Force
My point is that this is overly simplistic.
Certain youth, from certain groups, are indeed being encouraged to identify too strongly and in an unhealthy way with race. That's a problem that needs correction.
Others are being beaten to the other, equally unhealthy extreme. They need a different kind of help.
This is where Jordan Peterson's individualistic advice kind of loses the plot. It's the right medicine for the wrong sickness, which means it's actually poison.
Regarding the relevance to the Work, I should think it's rather obvious. Humans are social animals with complex identities that transcend time and space both culturally and biologically. Any sort of imbalance in this identity structure is going to create problems. The specific problem that white youth have been subjected to is that they have been emotionally severed from their biological and cultural historical roots. It follows directly that what they need is not a renewed focus on how we're all just individuals, but rather a stiff dose of healthy pride in their ancestral lineage.
Earlier in this thread there was some talk about how we're just consciousness and shouldn't identify otherwise. So, okay, that's true in the abstract. But if you came across a teenage girl who was cutting herself, would you encourage her to continue in her self-mortification because after all - the flesh is irrelevant, only consciousness matters? Obviously not. The fact that she's cutting herself means that there's some deep psychic pain that needs dealing with, but the first order of business is to staunch the bleeding and get her to stop reaching for the knife.
Well, I thought it was funny.
If that's the kind of reaction he wanted to elicit, I've got lots more!
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
You're definitely right in underlining the multistage nature of the process, and that a proper, mostly sovereign identity must be constructed before the ground can be prepared for the next phase. I just don't see how the social construct of racial identities even start to help with that. Not that they even remotedly apply to reality, unless if you start to intersect down so many layers that the racial group identity still doesn't matter anyway.
Of course I'd wish to fortify that girl's sense of identity - but I'd seek to ground it in individual, incarnated experience, both more intimate and real than group identities or self-concept. A sport like rock-climbing, taking the gramps on an outing, a walk in the forest, real grounding experiences don't need conceptual analysis to bring fruits.
The conversation you and Psychegram were having has no relation to the complete bollocks that PF was spouting. Feel free to continue your conversation with PG, just ignore the silly contributions of big chief paleface.
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Resistense
Guest
New criterion: if you have an asshole and a gallbladder, and you know it, welcome to the club.
PaleFace
Padawan Learner
The simple reality is that you would never say that to a Black person and deny his identity.
PaleFace
Padawan Learner
What part is bollocks?
Please be specific.
Are Whites demonized in the media, yes or no?
Are White countries experiencing mass, non-stop immigration from non-White countries, yes or no?
Are Whites reproducing below replacement rates, yes or no?
Will there be any White people in 2100, yes or no?
Why just dismiss me without addressing any of my concerns, or refuting any of them? Saying White people don't exist therefore they aren't being replaced is just tactical sophistry that is never applied to any other ethnic group, be it Tibetans or Tutsis or some indigenous tribe somewhere. Double standards at play here.
Address my points, please.
Adaryn
The Living Force
"Put light skinned people from Europe, etc etc"
What about brown or olive skinned people from Europe? Are they White, or not? Skin tone varies very much between European countries, and more than that, within countries. Sometimes even within families. You can find light skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed people in Sicily, and dark skinned, brown eyed, dark haired people in Wales. Kabyles and Berbers are often light-skinned. Yet, most of them are Muslims. Would you consider them White, or not?
Or maybe by "White", you mean "one whose culture is Christian or European"? But then, what about Christianized African peoples? What about Muslim Bosnians? White, or not White?
Oh, such complexity…
PaleFace
Padawan Learner
Puerto Rico, Ghana and the shtetls of Eastern Europe. Perhaps you came from one of them, Joe?
I never advocated marches of any kind. I advocated a simple positive and healthy outlook for White people. We should be happy of who we are and stand up for our identity when it is attacked, whether we be French, American, Russian, etc.
This shouldn't be a problem for a healthy, normal person to understand and accept. You, however, immediately started implying that I am a Nazi, which is a standard CRT and Leftist talking point. Literally, anyone who disagrees with me is a NAZZZIIII!
Any healthy love of one's people is pathologized. It's twisted and sick. Rethink your biases, Joe.
