Where do Cassiopaeans say when we get to 7th density the whole Universe starts all over again?

[Fluffy]

I am glad the answer was "close" rather than "yes". It leaves open a tiny possibility of something else. It is quite disheartening thinking we are struggling here to "go up" to then come back down. I wish it is an eternal evolution to infinity and beyond!

I’ve had this same thought too but then again how do we know anything for certain. Most of what we do in 3D is speculate.
Take how truly bizarre dreams can be and then try to understand the most obscure things you’ve dreamt about, why on earth would dreams be so whacky if it wasn’t to prepare up somehow for things our tiny tinkered with brains cannot fathom.

I had the analogy pop into my head yesterday of riding on an exhilarating, breath taking, life changing roller coaster and after it’s all over everything just seems so boring in comparison. May be when we get to 7D as One (three d imagery alert coming up) we are all just sitting around looking at each other, twiddling our thumbs, bored out of our boots, then someone says ‘who wants to go again?’

I’m not gonna pretend or kid myself that I don’t like 3D, being in a body, all the sensations. If we’ve done it all before and we are doing it again then it’s because we liked it… in my opinion anyhow

 

[Wandering Star]

May be when we get to 7D as One (three d imagery alert coming up) we are all just sitting around looking at each other, twiddling our thumbs, bored out of our boots, then someone says ‘who wants to go again?’

I’m not gonna pretend or kid myself that I don’t like 3D, being in a body, all the sensations. If we’ve done it all before and we are doing it again then it’s because we liked it… in my opinion anyhow

Yes, many of the prisoners in jail are afraid of leaving prison and being free, and others have become accustomed to it and do not want to leave.

In any case, it does not depend on you.

 

[Fluffy]

Yes, many of the prisoners in jail are afraid of leaving prison and being free, and others have become accustomed to it and do not want to leave.

In any case, it does not depend on you.

The difference is I don’t think we are prisoners at all, this is all by choice, and we can choose to be free any time we decide to be.

 

[Wandering Star]

The difference is I don’t think we are prisoners at all, this is all by choice, and we can choose to be free any time we decide to be.

From a certain point of view I agree with you, however the bank that I have to pay every month to have a roof over my head, does not agree with you.

You can believe what you want of course.

 

[BlueKiwi]

Ra touches on this very briefly :

78.13 Questioner: Then we have, at the beginning of this galactic evolution, an archetypical mind that is the product of the previous octave which this galaxy then uses and acts upon under the first distortion of free will to evolve the total experience of this galaxy. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.

78.14 Questioner: But, in doing this, there was at the center of the galaxy, the lack of knowledge or the lack of concept of possibility of extending the first distortion, so as to allow for what we have experienced as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?

Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service to self and service to others.

78.15 Questioner: Then the first experiences, as you say, were in monochrome. Now, was the concept of the seven densities of vibration with the evolutionary process taking place in the discrete densities— was that carried through from the previous octave?

Ra: I am Ra. To the limits of our knowledge, which are narrow, the ways of the octave are without time; that is, there are seven densities in each creation infinitely.

78.16 Questioner: I am assuming that the central suns of our galaxy, in starting the evolutionary process in this galaxy, provided for, in their plans, the refinement of consciousness through the densities just as we experience it here. However, they did not conceive of the polarization of consciousness with respect to service to self and service to others. Is this correct, then?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

There's a lot you can draw from this. It seems there have been previous octaves, which implies future octaves, and from the quote each experience the creator can have is enriched by the previous.

 

[bozadi]

There's a lot you can draw from this. It seems there have been previous octaves, which implies future octaves, and from the quote each experience the creator can have is enriched by the previous.

Good contribution. I don't remember the issue of "octaves" (and also the issue of "logos/logoi") being discussed in the C's sessions.

There's this interesting dialog:

Q: (L) Is there, after level seven, is there another...

A: No "after seven," suggest "refresher course" of transcripts!

Q: (L) Well, the question you didn't let me finish was, is there an octave, does this step up and start the whole thing over like the octaves on a piano?

A: SPA.

Q: (L) Well, there is an awful lot of stuff being touted around about octaves and so forth.

A: Grand cycle, and who is doing the "touting" that you speak of?

Q: (L) One of the persons who talks of the octave cycle is Gurdjieff, the Sufi teachings, several of the great philosophical teachings talk about the octave effect. There is the cycle of seven and the next cycle is at a higher level and is called an octave like the segments on the musical scale.

A: Who are we?

Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans.

A: Yes, now, we have volunteered to assist you in your development, yes?

Q: (L) So, throw all that other crap out the window?

A: If there were a level eight, do you think we would have failed to mention it at this point?!?

Q: (J) Good point. (SV) They forgot! (J) Oh, by the way, did we mention level eight?! (T) Well, maybe these other people are perceiving the recycling as moving into another octave rather than just doing it all over and over. They just haven't got the information straight yet.

The "8th Density" mentioned in Ra is somewhat "twisted", I think, because, in that line of thinking, we must also conclude that there's the "9th density", the 10th, the 11th, .... an infinite number of densities. And this approach somewhat devalues the "7-density cosmology", I think.

And I suspect that the reason for the "8th density" twist is related to ego. The fear of losing one's individuality/being. We are 3D STS and we all have ego to this or that extent. I suppose that ego/STS is closely related to a "fundamental duality", which really doesn't exist. The duality of existence/individuality separate from the rest. There's actually a single being, a single self, which is all. Diversity doesn't contradict with oneness; as in "innumerable waves / single ocean". All being is one. Ego (false self) lacks this fundamental knowledge/awareness of oneness. STO is based on that awareness, I think.

 

[Fluffy]

From a certain point of view I agree with you, however the bank that I have to pay every month to have a roof over my head, does not agree with you.

You can believe what you want of course.

Oh, if you look at it from that point of view of course, even to our own bodies we are prisoners, we have to eat and drink and breathe, that’s not optional.

 

[bozadi]

In any case, it does not depend on you.

So, free will doesn't exist?

 

[bozadi]

And I suspect that the reason for the "8th density" twist is related to ego. The fear of losing one's individuality/being.

In world, in 3D STS, the PTB (higher STS) do their best to feed and strenghten our "ego" (false "separate" self). They torture us (those with STO inclinations) incessantly in endless ways to weaken us, to make us suffer violently, so that we produce all kinds of intense negative thoughts and feelings, which both creates "food" for the STS masters and also prevent our STO polarity/frequency from raising. So, it becomes difficult to believe in love, infinite power, infinite wisdom, oneness of being, etc. Ego causes us to believe that we are a certain individual, eternally. And the idea that at big bang all souls/individals will explode to all densities (to all existence) might cause us to think that we will lose our very being by a kind of spiritual/existential suicide imposed by some authority, Universe, or God, etc. This is like thinking that a "wave" has its independent being and fears that it will "die" (stop existing) when it will fall back to its body of water. STO beings know that they are the Ocean, not just a single transient wave.

 

[bozadi]

Traumas and suffering can sometimes cause us to lose some amount of our STO polarization, but it can also cause to question everything, go deep in our being, and strenghten the STO polarization.

 

[Petar]

So, free will doesn't exist?

Bozardi, don't forget that in 3D we get a lot of noise around us with all the restrictions and limitations to keep this world occupied. Free will doesn't exist in our world, you can only become aware of it if you work hard on yourself and get lucky enough to become member of this forum .
Joke on the side, in my opinion free will only works for people with souls and have made some progress in their way to higher densities.

 

[Wandering Star]

So, free will doesn't exist?

Well, it seems that there are people who decide that their ego or avatar will remain against all odds, but it is very difficult.

Qualifying for 4D STS requires great determination, it seems.

Free will remains in that decision and also in the Constitution
achieving the fulfillment of what our soul decided.

So yes, it does exist.

 

[bozadi]

Free will doesn't exist in our world

Free will exists at every "inch" of existence. But in STS realms, those with strict STS inclinations prefer to respect their own free will only.

in my opinion free will only works for people with souls and have made some progress in their way to higher densities.

Yes, more spiritual/existential awareness enables deeper and more effective use of free will.

 

[BlueKiwi]

The "8th Density" mentioned in Ra is somewhat "twisted", I think, because, in that line of thinking, we must also conclude that there's the "9th density", the 10th, the 11th, .... an infinite number of densities. And this approach somewhat devalues the "7-density cosmology", I think.

It's not so much that there is an eighth density, I think. An "eighth" density must be the first of the next iteration. Think of musical scales - the eighth note in a scale is effectively the same as the first (just vibrating at twice the frequency)

28.15 Questioner: Now, as the major galaxy is created, and I am assuming all of its densities— I am assuming all— there are eight densities created when this major galaxy is created. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, it is well to perceive that the eighth density functions also as the beginning density or first density, in its latter stages, of the next octave of densities.

Maybe Ra was just respecting the questioner's (Don Elkins) thinking and free will about how he was framing the concept in his mind.

 

[bozadi]

It's not so much that there is an eighth density, I think. An "eighth" density must be the first of the next iteration. Think of musical scales - the eighth note in a scale is effectively the same as the first (just vibrating at twice the frequency)



Maybe Ra was just respecting the questioner's (Don Elkins) thinking and free will about how he was framing the concept in his mind.

Yes, but that's why I said that, in that line of thinking, there's also the "9th density" (the second density of the next iteration), the 10th density (the third density of the next iteration) ... etc. I don't exactly know why Ra confirmed, even if partially, the concept of "8th density" after explaining and supporting in various ways the "7-density cosmology". As I said, I suspect this might be about an ego-based fear of the receiver group and potential audience regarding the "absolute unification with all" (the end of specific individual existence) in 7D. I'm not sure but I suspect that.

I also want to remind how "strictly" the C's objected to the idea of an 8th density.