Who controls the BIS?

alkhemst said:
goyacobol said:
The Venetian Conspiracy:

Venetian public relations specialists were responsible for picking up the small-time German provincial heretic Martin Luther and
raising him to the big-time status of heresiarch among a whole herd of total- predestination divines. Not content with this
wrecking operation against the Church, Venice was thereafter the “mother” for the unsavory, itinerant Ignatius of Loyola and his
Jesuit order.
After the Council of Trent, Venice was also the matrix for the Philosophe- Libertin ferment of the delphic, anti-
Leibniz Enlightenment. Venice beat Thomas Malthus and Jeremy Bentham to the punch in inflicting British political economy
and philosophical radicalism on the whole world.

Are we on the right track? I think we may have a good start. :)

In terms of connections to BIS, Jesuits would have to be able to deal with commerce and banking and be authorised to do that. Apparently Pope Gregory granted them that and that didn't happen to any order since the Templars. Here's a reference I found on that but can't check the footnote. It says:

Loyola had prescribed vows of poverty for his followers, but after Pope Gregory XIII gave the Company [name for Jesuit order] the right to engage in banking and commerce it grew immensely wealthy, with it's fingers in commercial enterprises around the globe.

Some other interesting bits of info in the screen grab of that book (Damned Good Company - Luis Granados) about how France expelled them and why they did that.

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https://books.google.com.au/books?id=T9Vsms3huxgC&lpg=PT166&ots=P7S8i4Ndh6&dq=Pope%20Gregory%20XIII%20Jesuits%20commerce%20and%20banking&pg=PT166#v=onepage&q&f=false

This page is a bit dubious, however it links the bank of rome with the initiation of the order of Jesuits, apparently to run things. The result apparently was the opening of private and national banks around Europe such as in Venice. _http://www.reformation.org/secrets-of-the-bank-of-rome.html

Ignatius LIEola was the founder of the reorganized "Bank" of Rome. The Jesuits were founded on August 15, 1534, and LIEola was officially commissioned to reorganize the almost bankrupt "Bank" of Rome in 1540...
...At the time that LIEola appeared in Rome, the "Bank" of Rome was on the verge of BANKRUPTCY due to the preaching of the Word of God and the withdrawal of millions of accounts. The Imperialists under Charles V., actually invaded and sacked the city of Rome in 1527. They stole most of the wealth, destroyed priceless art treasures and even tortured Cardinals to make them divulge the secret hiding places of their riches...
...This reorganized Bank soon began to start branch offices in various cities. Venice in 1587, the Wisselbank in Amsterdam in 1609, Hamburg 1619, Nuremberg 1621, Rotterdam 1635 and last but not least the Bank of England in 1694. The Bank of "England" was actually the first bank to be named after a country and after the "Bank" of Rome it was the world's first Central Bank...

alkhemst,

We could maybe sort of start a list of connections for now using the one above and add other connections either before or after this one as we go.

Possible Vatican Connections to BIS

1540 AD - Ignatius of Loyola founder of the Jesuits gains favor with Pope Gregory XIII after the Venetian oligarchs take him under their wing.
1930/05/17 BIS Founded to support the Jesuit Eurasian crusade named World War II ?

Details of course can be added. I am just trying to find a starting point.


I found a possible BIS connection lead. But as all information gathering we need to find some way to verify the authenticity of the claims. You may want to check out this site: _http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/04/order-of-malta-knights-of-st-jhon-of.html This site is kind of heavily religious in it's point of view but may contain some useful leads.

Here is a quote from the site:

Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Belgium rome-pius is now crowned as the first president of the Kingdom of Europe. (There are even rumors that he is the anti-christ, and it would not be surprising that the antichrist, wether real or not, or antagonism to truth, play thing of the reptilian Gods would come from the Vatican's wolves in sheep clothes.)

Thus the embedded cross will be defended along and by the bank of central banks, I repeat:privately owned and Jesuit founded BIS, virtual owner of the way-too-BIG-to-fail central banks and their bonus with the taxes of the too-small-to-save Europeans, a victory for the reptile priesthood insatiable thirst,
and an ever bigger rip-off for you.

The world banking system is then coordinated by the Bank for International Settlements whose seat is in Basel, Switzerland, not the World Bank nor the IMF as usually led to believe but close enough still in the land of Heidi and nice watches.

BIS was created to support the Jesuit Eurasian crusade named World War II.

It seems it will be more a trail of circumstantial evidence than eyewitness testimony to make any connections but it might be interesting. :)
 
Hi, Alkmest and Goyacobo: I am hanging on every word in your conversation. I’ve often thought of submitting a question to the C’s about whether the Mongols were taking their marching orders from Venice.

Your conversation links up to things I've been wondering about for many years, triggered by reading some material about how Venice did business. I had run across the following article that opened my eyes BIG to some possibilities I hadn’t imagined:

The event described was exponentially more traumatic than the Great Depression, and paved the way for the Black Death. I see it as the final death blow to the social order of the gothic period in Europe. Gallagher seems to be fairly free of ideological bias, and his analysis of events removed a lot of naïve illusions from my eyes.

“How Venice Rigged The First, and Worst, Global Financial Collapse” by Paul B. Gallagher
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html
 
ka said:
Hi, Alkmest and Goyacobo: I am hanging on every word in your conversation. I’ve often thought of submitting a question to the C’s about whether the Mongols were taking their marching orders from Venice.

Your conversation links up to things I've been wondering about for many years, triggered by reading some material about how Venice did business. I had run across the following article that opened my eyes BIG to some possibilities I hadn’t imagined:

The event described was exponentially more traumatic than the Great Depression, and paved the way for the Black Death. I see it as the final death blow to the social order of the gothic period in Europe. Gallagher seems to be fairly free of ideological bias, and his analysis of events removed a lot of naïve illusions from my eyes.

“How Venice Rigged The First, and Worst, Global Financial Collapse” by Paul B. Gallagher
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/954_Gallagher_Venice_rig.html

ka,

I thank you for sharing the link to the Schiller Institute. At first I was no sure about the site since it is associated with Lyndon LaRouche. I don't have my mind made up about his crediblility yet. And, I haven't had a chance to more thoroughly check out Paul Gallagher yet either.

But after noticing your wide range of interests and something you said in a previous post about "desire for truth" I think you might be able to help keep us on track with our search. Maybe you will remember one of your earlier posts:

What it means to love truth sincerely

_http://www.gutenberg.org/files/39535/39535-pdf.pdfsession_id=2d510745dfb825d3fb8844ba77acdbbea7cb4faf

Chapter IV, volume 2 p 190
If a sincere and active desire for truth be a moral duty, the discipline and the dispositions that are plainly involved in every honest search fall rigidly within the range of ethics. To love truth sincerely means to pursue it with an earnest, conscientious, unflagging zeal.

It means to be prepared to follow the light of evidence even to the most unwelcome conclusions; to labour earnestly to emancipate the mind from early prejudices; to resist the current of the desires, and the refracting influence of the passions; to proportion on a occasions conviction to evidence, and to be ready, if need be,
to exchange the calm of assurance for all the suffering of a perplexed and disturbed mind.

To do this is very difficult and very painful; but it is clearly involved in the notion of earnest love of truth.

If, then, any system stigmatises as criminal the state of doubt, denounces the examination of some one class of arguments or facts, seeks to introduce the bias of the affections into the enquiries of the reason, or regards the honest conclusion of an upright investigator as involving moral guilt, that system is subversive of intellectual honesty.

As for myself I would appreciate your input to this topic and the chance to hang onto your words as well. :)
 
SeekinTruth said:
Interesting connections ya'll put together. There's certainly very many centuries of oligarchy with the intent to expanding their holdings and territories. The partnering of banking and finance with commerce started all those centuries ago were the preceding legal structures taking shape of what are our multinational corporations today - and many of the richest ones are interconnected with share ownership and directors, etc. An older example of these types of companies is the Dutch West Indies Company. I would also agree that the top of the controlling STS hierarchy goes into 4th density with those here on 3D Earth being pawns moved around from above...

Well summarised SeekinTruth.

Thanks goyacobol, and alchemist for the research into this really interesting thread. The part about the Venetian merchants "directing" the Mongol invasions was very intriguing to me, more points to ponder.

Actually, about 7 years ago, my interest in monetary economics set-off a long train of research that lead to the BIS, controlling bloodline families, lots of cointelpro "conspiracy" websites (i now know better - but only after painful mistakes) and eventually to Sott and the C's. The research into money was the path that eventually led me to the Forum. I guess in the end, all the research into symbolisms, connections, numerology, oligarchies - all lead ultimately to the smudgy fingerprints of the true controllers of 3D STS, and their 4D overlords.....

Thanks again, and like ka, I'm looking forward to the next posts on this topic :)
 
"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communist act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups [comparable to the CFR in the USA], has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I...was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records." [Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, p.950]

"At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system had to be greatly extended... the tasks was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairsand the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris." [Carroll Quigley, pp.951-952]

"The powers of financial capitalism has another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole." [Quigley, pp.324]

The "wise" Insiders who have been guiding the CFR toward global control include familiar names such as David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, Bill Clinton, Brent Scowcroft.... These men have led and instructed our presidents' cabinets again and again. They and countless others work silently behind the scenes to accomplish their goal of a socialist/communitarian world government. They may call themselves Republican or Democrats; it doesn't really matter. They control the financial resources needed to manipulate the economy and accomplish their goals.

Their tyrannical form of "capitalism" destroys the personal incentive, moral guidelines and free enterprise that made America great.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil...

Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes.." Isaiah 5:20-21

History

In the 1870s, Oxford professor John Ruskin persuaded his elite British students that "they had a moral obligation to disseminate English culture and unite the world under British rule. [1] By early 1900s, many of his students held strategic positions in the English Government. None of his students would spread the vision more effectively than Cecil Rhodes, who accumulated the needed wealth in African gold and diamond mines. Rhodes wrote,

"The Society ['of the Elect'] should inspire and even own portions of the press for the press rules the mind of the people. The Society should always be searching for members who might by their position in the world by their energies or character forward the object…"[2]

In 1890, Rhodes sent his friend W. T. Stead a letter explaining his plan for world government:

"The key of my idea discussed with you is a Society, copied from the Jesuits as to organization [rising levels of secrecy as in Freemasonry]... an idea which ultimately (leads) to the cessation of all wars and one language throughout the world.... The only thing feasible to carry this idea out is a secret one [a secret society] gradually absorbing the wealth of the world to be devoted to such an object."[3, p.13]

To fulfill his global vision, Rhodes established the Rhodes Trust. The inner circle of this "secret society" - "The Society of the Elect" -- included freemason Lord Alfred Milner, William T. Stead and Reginald Baliol Brett (titled Lord Esher). When Rhodes died in 1902, he left the "Society," the Rhodes Trust and the leadership primarily in the "hands" of Lord Milner. This Round Table Group would eventually establish numerous international branches. In the U.S.A, it would be called the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Few have done more to expose this revolutionary agenda than Carrol Quigley, the history professor at the Foreign Service Schools of Georgetown University whom Clinton honored in his acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention, July 16, 1992. In his 1300-page tome, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, Quigley wrote:

"By 1915, Round Table Groups existed in seven countries, including England...(and) the United States.... Since 1925, there have been substantial contributions from wealthy individuals, and from foundations and firms associated with the international banking fraternity, especially... organizations associated with J. P. Morgan, the Rockefeller and Whitney families...." [5-Carroll Quigley, p.950-951]

In 1913, President Woodrow Wilson expressed his concern over this secret movement toward world government his book, The New Freedom:

"We are in a new world.... In the new order, government and business must be associated closely.... We stand in the presence of a revolution.... (which) will come in peaceful guise...
"[That sounds like Fabian Socialism!]



"Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.... We have been dreading all along the time when the combined power of high finance would be greater than the power of government....



"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men....We stand in the presence of a revolution... (which) will come in peaceful guise."[4-Cuddy, pp.24-25]

That same year, President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act with the guidance of Frank Vanderlip, president of Rockefeller’s National City Bank."[4-Cuddy, p.25]



The CFR was founded in 1921, mainly through the "mysterious" Round Table "Insider" Col. Mandel House, President Wilson's "counter-ego." It would be the U.S. equivalent of Britain's Royal Institute of International Affairs. As you read earlier,

"...the tasks was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris." [5-Quigley, pp.951-952]

To build the envisioned network of global support, it would spend tens of millions of dollars annually from the major tax-exempt foundations such as the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations. [6, page 54]

Keep in mind, the CFR as a whole is not made up of secret conspirators. Its membership list is available to the public. "Most CFR members are not involved in a conspiracy," wrote Anthony C. Sutton "and have no knowledge of any conspiracy. However,

"there is a GROUP WITHIN the Council on Foreign Relations which belongs to a secret society, sworn to secrecy, and which more or less controls the CFR. CFR meetings are used for their own purposes, i.e., to push out ideas, to weigh up people who might be useful, to use meetings as a form for discussion."[7]

In other words, the layered organizational structure might be compared not only to Jesuits, as Cecil Rhodes indicated, but also to the Freemasons with its inner core of secret masters. Describing this financial system with power to bribe and command governments around the world, New York city Mayor John Hylan warned:

"...the real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, State and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of self-created screen. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers and every agency created for the public protection."[4]

In Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, Professor Quigley wrote:

"The argument that the two [political] parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so the that American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." [5-Quigley, pp.1247-1248]

"One of Professor Quigley's most shocking revelations," wrote Dr. Monteith,

"was the fact that the American Communist Party was partly financed by J. P. Morgan and Company.... J. P. Morgan and his associates financed the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, conservative groups, liberal organizations, communist groups and anti-communist organizations. Thus we should not be surprised to learn that someone purchased Professor Quigley's publisher and destroyed the plates to the first half of his book so it couldn't be reprinted." [1, pp. 99-100]

That sounds like communitarianism, doesn't it? Banks and tax-exempt foundations were essential to this global vision:

"The powers of financial capitalism has another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole...



"The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks [including the US Federal Reserve] which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank... sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards...."



"In 1924, the chairman of the board of the Midland Bank said, "...banks can and do create money... And they, who control the credit of the nation, direct the policy of Government and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people." [5-Quigley, pp.324-325]

"During the early decades of the 20th century," explained Dr. Monteith, "the three largest banks in the US were owned by the Rockefellers, the Morgan's, and the Mellon's." Contrary to popular speculations, the powerful European central banks preceded the House of Rothschild. Jewish banks "never controlled the financial institutions of the world." [1, p. 35]

There you have a glimpse into the hidden Anglo-American power structure and its European branches. To see how all the pieces fit together, we suggest you read Brotherhood of Darkness] by Dr. Stan Monteith.

Source: _http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/cfr.htm -

I'm not 100% percent sure about the objectivity of the info that i quoted above ( so please, when reading take it with a grain of salt), though it connects various international organizations together, organizations like Round Table Group--> Counsel on Foreign Relations--> the Bank for International Settlements.
In my personal opinion, basically all these organizations are nothing more than instruments that are used by the 3d PTB overseers under the guidence/control of their 4d STS masters to control globally the whole life on this planet, i said the whole life, because their pathological decisions affects not only the human beings but the whole life and even the planet itself. If looked through the human history, we see always some sort of secret society that pops up and their members being very influential characters of that period of history, these secret societies all of them have something in common: these are institutions created by the and for the most succesiful pathological individuals, that serves as Private Clubs. And the purpose of these private clubs is to help their members to reach their ambitions which are to dominate/rule over the normal human beings.
 
Greetings, Goyacobol:

I really appreciate being invited into this conversation. You are talking about stuff I’ve wanted to know all my life!

Lyndon LaRouche and the Schiller Institute are not my cup of tea, either--but that's where the Gallagher article was published.

You’ve noticed, and I’ve noticed, that to investigate the subject of the Money Power you have to consult some weird sources. The whole subject of “economics” has always been disinformation. I read thru the Webster Tarpley material a few years ago, and I am not persuaded by all of his claims. But he certainly brings up ideas that are worth checking out. Gallagher, on the other hand, writes like a straight scholar and historian. I’ve done other reading on related issues, and what he says holds up against other evidence.

The subject of the global influence of money is academic poison: any serious investigator is going to be punished for publishing real information on it. Only the wierdos and poets will talk about it.

A few years ago a friend lent me a copy of Babylon’s Bankers, by Joseph P. Farrell. I was hoping to find out about the very beginnings of the use of money. It is a chaotic book; the information about money is interspersed with what seemed to me wild nonsense on unrelated topics. (I have often wondered if some authors on serious subjects use wild science-fiction elements on purpose, to fool the censors into thinking it’s harmless nonsense.) I mention Babylon’s Bankers only because it did serve as a useful introduction to the operations of the Money Power, understandable to non-experts. It does have a good bibliography, that led me on to better information. I can supply weblinks to a lot of that stuff, if anyone’s interested.

Alexander Del Mar wrote a string of books about money and the mining business, after serving as the director of the US Bureau of Mines during the Civil War; his credentials and his reputation were systematically destroyed. The poet Ezra Pound wrote about the Money Power, and the US government imprisoned him in a 6-foot cube until he went insane. The classical historian Livio Stecchini, wrote about the origins of coinage, and his academic reputation was demolished. David Astle wrote The Babylonian Woe, and no one wanted to know. Carroll Quigley dared to mention the subject in his Tragedy and Hope, and this work was suppressed. David Graeber, author of Debt: the First 5000 Years, lost his teaching job after its publication.

Just try finding information about what has happened in non-monetised societies after the imposition of money economies. The subject is deeply taboo. Just try researching the subject of debt repudiation. Taboo.

What I have gathered to date is that there is an ages-old business, in which warfare, metals, and money combine to make the world order what it is. The archaeology of metallurgy shows the beginning of manufacture of weapons-grade bronze on an industrial scale started about 5000 B.C., in Canaan. Mining on an industrial scale requires slaves, which requires warfare, which requires mercenary armies, which require metal—and we have all the ingredients for a self-perpetuating hell. The first actual stamped coinage was created to pay mercenary soldiers. During the Bronze Age, and during Classical antiquity, Europe was exploited in exactly the same way that Spain exploited its colonies for gold and silver: at the price of several human lives per ounce. It takes psychopaths to run mines.

So, it's not only the financiers in on this. The control of natural resources, the money, and war as reason for it all, are all intertwined. AND the priests and the ideologues, too.

The novels of Umberto Eco (Baudolino, The Prague Cemetery) show how the geo-politics and the secret organizations worked in the historical periods covered. One can learn a lot while being entertained, if you’re paying attention.

So, I have gained some orientation to the ancient history of the mess. BIS undoubtedly has a big hand in the present administration of it, and it sure would be interesting to know more.
 
Mr.Cyan said:
SeekinTruth said:
Interesting connections ya'll put together. There's certainly very many centuries of oligarchy with the intent to expanding their holdings and territories. The partnering of banking and finance with commerce started all those centuries ago were the preceding legal structures taking shape of what are our multinational corporations today - and many of the richest ones are interconnected with share ownership and directors, etc. An older example of these types of companies is the Dutch West Indies Company. I would also agree that the top of the controlling STS hierarchy goes into 4th density with those here on 3D Earth being pawns moved around from above...

Well summarised SeekinTruth.

Thanks goyacobol, and alchemist for the research into this really interesting thread. The part about the Venetian merchants "directing" the Mongol invasions was very intriguing to me, more points to ponder.

Actually, about 7 years ago, my interest in monetary economics set-off a long train of research that lead to the BIS, controlling bloodline families, lots of cointelpro "conspiracy" websites (i now know better - but only after painful mistakes) and eventually to Sott and the C's. The research into money was the path that eventually led me to the Forum. I guess in the end, all the research into symbolisms, connections, numerology, oligarchies - all lead ultimately to the smudgy fingerprints of the true controllers of 3D STS, and their 4D overlords.....

Thanks again, and like ka, I'm looking forward to the next posts on this topic :)

Mr.Cyan,

alchemst may have brought up a good starting point for others who have similar interests in the origin and methodology of finances/money as they are being used in a global way. I have also been interested is this for quite a few years and I am pleasantly surprised to find others here have looked at many of the same pieces of the puzzle. We may not ever get all the pieces right but it is kind of fun to try to keep connecting the dots. Hope you will just join in as you feel inclined (hope alchemst doesn't mind). :)
 
Andre' said:
"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communist act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups [comparable to the CFR in the USA], has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I...was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records." [Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, p.950]

"At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system had to be greatly extended... the tasks was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairsand the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris." [Carroll Quigley, pp.951-952]

"The powers of financial capitalism has another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole." [Quigley, pp.324]

The "wise" Insiders who have been guiding the CFR toward global control include familiar names such as David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, Bill Clinton, Brent Scowcroft.... These men have led and instructed our presidents' cabinets again and again. They and countless others work silently behind the scenes to accomplish their goal of a socialist/communitarian world government. They may call themselves Republican or Democrats; it doesn't really matter. They control the financial resources needed to manipulate the economy and accomplish their goals.

Their tyrannical form of "capitalism" destroys the personal incentive, moral guidelines and free enterprise that made America great.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil...

Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes.." Isaiah 5:20-21

History

In the 1870s, Oxford professor John Ruskin persuaded his elite British students that "they had a moral obligation to disseminate English culture and unite the world under British rule. [1] By early 1900s, many of his students held strategic positions in the English Government. None of his students would spread the vision more effectively than Cecil Rhodes, who accumulated the needed wealth in African gold and diamond mines. Rhodes wrote,

"The Society ['of the Elect'] should inspire and even own portions of the press for the press rules the mind of the people. The Society should always be searching for members who might by their position in the world by their energies or character forward the object…"[2]

In 1890, Rhodes sent his friend W. T. Stead a letter explaining his plan for world government:

"The key of my idea discussed with you is a Society, copied from the Jesuits as to organization [rising levels of secrecy as in Freemasonry]... an idea which ultimately (leads) to the cessation of all wars and one language throughout the world.... The only thing feasible to carry this idea out is a secret one [a secret society] gradually absorbing the wealth of the world to be devoted to such an object."[3, p.13]

To fulfill his global vision, Rhodes established the Rhodes Trust. The inner circle of this "secret society" - "The Society of the Elect" -- included freemason Lord Alfred Milner, William T. Stead and Reginald Baliol Brett (titled Lord Esher). When Rhodes died in 1902, he left the "Society," the Rhodes Trust and the leadership primarily in the "hands" of Lord Milner. This Round Table Group would eventually establish numerous international branches. In the U.S.A, it would be called the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Few have done more to expose this revolutionary agenda than Carrol Quigley, the history professor at the Foreign Service Schools of Georgetown University whom Clinton honored in his acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention, July 16, 1992. In his 1300-page tome, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, Quigley wrote:

"By 1915, Round Table Groups existed in seven countries, including England...(and) the United States.... Since 1925, there have been substantial contributions from wealthy individuals, and from foundations and firms associated with the international banking fraternity, especially... organizations associated with J. P. Morgan, the Rockefeller and Whitney families...." [5-Carroll Quigley, p.950-951]

In 1913, President Woodrow Wilson expressed his concern over this secret movement toward world government his book, The New Freedom:

"We are in a new world.... In the new order, government and business must be associated closely.... We stand in the presence of a revolution.... (which) will come in peaceful guise...
"[That sounds like Fabian Socialism!]



"Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.... We have been dreading all along the time when the combined power of high finance would be greater than the power of government....



"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men....We stand in the presence of a revolution... (which) will come in peaceful guise."[4-Cuddy, pp.24-25]

That same year, President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act with the guidance of Frank Vanderlip, president of Rockefeller’s National City Bank."[4-Cuddy, p.25]



The CFR was founded in 1921, mainly through the "mysterious" Round Table "Insider" Col. Mandel House, President Wilson's "counter-ego." It would be the U.S. equivalent of Britain's Royal Institute of International Affairs. As you read earlier,

"...the tasks was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations.... In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations were drawn up at Paris." [5-Quigley, pp.951-952]

To build the envisioned network of global support, it would spend tens of millions of dollars annually from the major tax-exempt foundations such as the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations. [6, page 54]

Keep in mind, the CFR as a whole is not made up of secret conspirators. Its membership list is available to the public. "Most CFR members are not involved in a conspiracy," wrote Anthony C. Sutton "and have no knowledge of any conspiracy. However,

"there is a GROUP WITHIN the Council on Foreign Relations which belongs to a secret society, sworn to secrecy, and which more or less controls the CFR. CFR meetings are used for their own purposes, i.e., to push out ideas, to weigh up people who might be useful, to use meetings as a form for discussion."[7]

In other words, the layered organizational structure might be compared not only to Jesuits, as Cecil Rhodes indicated, but also to the Freemasons with its inner core of secret masters. Describing this financial system with power to bribe and command governments around the world, New York city Mayor John Hylan warned:

"...the real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, State and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of self-created screen. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers and every agency created for the public protection."[4]

In Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, Professor Quigley wrote:

"The argument that the two [political] parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so the that American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." [5-Quigley, pp.1247-1248]

"One of Professor Quigley's most shocking revelations," wrote Dr. Monteith,

"was the fact that the American Communist Party was partly financed by J. P. Morgan and Company.... J. P. Morgan and his associates financed the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, conservative groups, liberal organizations, communist groups and anti-communist organizations. Thus we should not be surprised to learn that someone purchased Professor Quigley's publisher and destroyed the plates to the first half of his book so it couldn't be reprinted." [1, pp. 99-100]

That sounds like communitarianism, doesn't it? Banks and tax-exempt foundations were essential to this global vision:

"The powers of financial capitalism has another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole...



"The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks [including the US Federal Reserve] which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank... sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards...."



"In 1924, the chairman of the board of the Midland Bank said, "...banks can and do create money... And they, who control the credit of the nation, direct the policy of Government and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people." [5-Quigley, pp.324-325]

"During the early decades of the 20th century," explained Dr. Monteith, "the three largest banks in the US were owned by the Rockefellers, the Morgan's, and the Mellon's." Contrary to popular speculations, the powerful European central banks preceded the House of Rothschild. Jewish banks "never controlled the financial institutions of the world." [1, p. 35]

There you have a glimpse into the hidden Anglo-American power structure and its European branches. To see how all the pieces fit together, we suggest you read Brotherhood of Darkness] by Dr. Stan Monteith.

Source: _http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/cfr.htm -

I'm not 100% percent sure about the objectivity of the info that i quoted above ( so please, when reading take it with a grain of salt), though it connects various international organizations together, organizations like Round Table Group--> Counsel on Foreign Relations--> the Bank for International Settlements.
In my personal opinion, basically all these organizations are nothing more than instruments that are used by the 3d PTB overseers under the guidence/control of their 4d STS masters to control globally the whole life on this planet, i said the whole life, because their pathological decisions affects not only the human beings but the whole life and even the planet itself. If looked through the human history, we see always some sort of secret society that pops up and their members being very influential characters of that period of history, these secret societies all of them have something in common: these are institutions created by the and for the most succesiful pathological individuals, that serves as Private Clubs. And the purpose of these private clubs is to help their members to reach their ambitions which are to dominate/rule over the normal human beings.

Andre',

Thanks for the quotation. I think there is a lot of good background information in the above quote. Before joining the forum I used to listen to Allan Watt who has a website _http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/. I used to listen to his podcasts at work while waiting for reports to finish. He may or may not be disinfo at some level anyway so take him with a grain of salt too. He often quoted from Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope. There are so many things in the above that I have considered before that really seem like valid clues. The mention of " Col. Mandel House, President Wilson's "counter-ego" is an interesting link that I noticed before in relation to Woodrow Wilson being mentored by Col. House who was possibly a kind of a Rothschild connected handler. It is interesting to me that the "Col." part of House's name was according to Wkipedia:

Edward Mandell House (July 26, 1858 – March 28, 1938) was a powerful American diplomat, politician, and presidential advisor, commonly known by the courtesy title Colonel House, although he had no military experience.

Due largely to Col. House's advice to Wilson the current version of the Federal Reserve system was created in 1913.

This is just one small part so I leave it for now. Here is a short YouTube video about House that I thought was interesting: _https://www.youtube.com ;) :cool2:/watch?v=eoeFwwJOgb8

Thanks for sharing :)
 
ka said:
Greetings, Goyacobol:

I really appreciate being invited into this conversation. You are talking about stuff I’ve wanted to know all my life!

Lyndon LaRouche and the Schiller Institute are not my cup of tea, either--but that's where the Gallagher article was published.

You’ve noticed, and I’ve noticed, that to investigate the subject of the Money Power you have to consult some weird sources. The whole subject of “economics” has always been disinformation. I read thru the Webster Tarpley material a few years ago, and I am not persuaded by all of his claims. But he certainly brings up ideas that are worth checking out. Gallagher, on the other hand, writes like a straight scholar and historian. I’ve done other reading on related issues, and what he says holds up against other evidence.

The subject of the global influence of money is academic poison: any serious investigator is going to be punished for publishing real information on it. Only the wierdos and poets will talk about it.

A few years ago a friend lent me a copy of Babylon’s Bankers, by Joseph P. Farrell. I was hoping to find out about the very beginnings of the use of money. It is a chaotic book; the information about money is interspersed with what seemed to me wild nonsense on unrelated topics. (I have often wondered if some authors on serious subjects use wild science-fiction elements on purpose, to fool the censors into thinking it’s harmless nonsense.) I mention Babylon’s Bankers only because it did serve as a useful introduction to the operations of the Money Power, understandable to non-experts. It does have a good bibliography, that led me on to better information. I can supply weblinks to a lot of that stuff, if anyone’s interested.

Alexander Del Mar wrote a string of books about money and the mining business, after serving as the director of the US Bureau of Mines during the Civil War; his credentials and his reputation were systematically destroyed. The poet Ezra Pound wrote about the Money Power, and the US government imprisoned him in a 6-foot cube until he went insane. The classical historian Livio Stecchini, wrote about the origins of coinage, and his academic reputation was demolished. David Astle wrote The Babylonian Woe, and no one wanted to know. Carroll Quigley dared to mention the subject in his Tragedy and Hope, and this work was suppressed. David Graeber, author of Debt: the First 5000 Years, lost his teaching job after its publication.

Just try finding information about what has happened in non-monetised societies after the imposition of money economies. The subject is deeply taboo. Just try researching the subject of debt repudiation. Taboo.

What I have gathered to date is that there is an ages-old business, in which warfare, metals, and money combine to make the world order what it is. The archaeology of metallurgy shows the beginning of manufacture of weapons-grade bronze on an industrial scale started about 5000 B.C., in Canaan. Mining on an industrial scale requires slaves, which requires warfare, which requires mercenary armies, which require metal—and we have all the ingredients for a self-perpetuating hell. The first actual stamped coinage was created to pay mercenary soldiers. During the Bronze Age, and during Classical antiquity, Europe was exploited in exactly the same way that Spain exploited its colonies for gold and silver: at the price of several human lives per ounce. It takes psychopaths to run mines.

So, it's not only the financiers in on this. The control of natural resources, the money, and war as reason for it all, are all intertwined. AND the priests and the ideologues, too.


The novels of Umberto Eco (Baudolino, The Prague Cemetery) show how the geo-politics and the secret organizations worked in the historical periods covered. One can learn a lot while being entertained, if you’re paying attention.

So, I have gained some orientation to the ancient history of the mess. BIS undoubtedly has a big hand in the present administration of it, and it sure would be interesting to know more.

ka,

I think the further back we go into the origin and meaning of money the better able we will be to see how the pieces fit together. The sequences of control you mention above I think are significant in understanding what we might we dealing with now and where the probable direction will go (especially the last part I put in bold). One thing I remember from listening to Allan Watt (I take him with a grain of salt) is that once one financial system/empire is ready to fall the creators of that same system are already lining up a place to escape or relocate and move on. I think this "time", if it is the end of a 309,000 year cycle, we may have a different expected outcome if enough of us are aware and conscious of the lessons being taught.
 
Palinurus said:
goyacobol said:
Before joining the forum I used to listen to Allan Watt

Just FYI, we do have a 14-page thread on him here: Is Alan Watt Credible?

Palinurus,

Thanks for the link. Yes, I have read that thread before and that is why I say to take Allan Watt with a grain of salt. We are faced with wadding through murky waters it seems. I just try to spot a floating morsel of truth here and there. One thing I noticed is that he does trash Icke and any possibility of "reptilians". He also hardly mentions earth changes or anything on a cosmic level. But the forum thread is good to have and read before you try to extract any information from his site. Maybe I should go back and read it again. I finally focused on the forum and still do. This is the first time in awhile I have even thought much about Watt as having anything relevant to say. He does mix some truth in there I think or I wouldn't mention him. The Cs have this to say about false knowledge:

Session 22 October 1994

Q: (L) I just want to be sure that the source that I am acquiring the knowledge from is not a deceptive
source.
A: If you simply have faith, no knowledge that you could possibly acquire could possibly be false
because there is no such thing. Anyone or anything that tries to give you false knowledge, false
information, will fail. The very material substance that the knowledge takes on, since it is at the root of
all existence, will protect you from absorption of false information which is not knowledge. There is no
need to fear the absorption of false information when you are simply openly seeking to acquire
knowledge. And knowledge forms the protection -- all the protection you could ever need.
Q: (L) There are an awful lot of people who are being open and trusting and having faith who are
getting zapped and knocked on their rears.
A: No. That is simply your perception. What you are failing to perceive is that these people are not
really gathering knowledge. These people are stuck at some point in their pathway to progress and
they are undergoing a hidden manifestation of what is referred to in your terms as obsession.
Obsession is not knowledge, obsession is stagnation. So, when one becomes obsessed, one actually
closes off the absorption and the growth and the progress of soul development which comes with the
gaining of true knowledge.
For when one becomes obsessed one deteriorates the protection therefore
one is open to problems, to tragedies, to all sorts of difficulties. Therefore one experiences same.

On the other hand in a discussion about a statue having a lingering 5th density entity that seems to raise questions for session member PZ they did say this about false information too:


Session 24 February 1996

Q: (L) Well, what can she do to maximize the STO presence and minimize the STS use of the conduit?
A: Oh Laura, my dear, seems you need a refresher course in the transcripts. Maybe suggest you read them and relax and privately
listen to the ones you have not as of yet transcribed a little more. This would be extremely helpful in your many and increasing
communications via the "net" as well. Remember, we help you to unlock answers that have been placed in your superconsciousness
files from before the "time" of the birth of your physical body. Also, false information is worse than no information at all. Now, for PZ:
Please denote quote marks in your reading back of the answers, in order to preserve the greatest possible meaning! Thank you!

I guess if we don't become too obsessed with any one piece of information the false information may "fail" and we can move on with the truth? :huh: :/
 
Hey Goyacobol, can I ask a favor of you? I've noticed often that someone will write a long post and you will hit Reply and respond to it. Then someone responds to yours and you hit Reply again and respond to it again, the end result being an extremely long post that mostly repeats long passages that are already in the thread. It's very hard to go through these threads especially those reading on a smartphone. So if everyone could edit the replies by deleting the text that they are not specifically replying to it will make the forum a lot easier to read.

Thanks!
 
Mr. Premise,

Yes, thank you. That is something I do a lot. I will shorten my reply posts to make the threads easier to read. I agree.
 
goyacobol said:
Mr. Premise,

Yes, thank you. That is something I do a lot. I will shorten my reply posts to make the threads easier to read. I agree.

Just wanted to clarify, in case it's needed, as the above quote is not that clear. Anyway, I think Mr. Premise was asking to delete the non-relevant parts of others' quotes you are replying to to keep it easier to navigate on a phone - not your own replies, in case you misunderstood, just wanted to point that out.


"Col." House was discussed quite a bit in the The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed. Also what seems to be references to the Bank of International Settlements was discussed in The Red Symphony material, although it was called the World Bank there, which didn't exist back then. There's a forum thread on Red Symphony, it's supposed to be the interrogation of an agent caught by Stalin's regime - much about the Money Power and their manipulations are mentioned. Just mentioning all that if others are interested in looking into those sources.
 
SeekinTruth,

SeekinTruth said:
Just wanted to clarify, in case it's needed, as the above quote is not that clear. Anyway, I think Mr. Premise was asking to delete the non-relevant parts of others' quotes you are replying to to keep it easier to navigate on a phone - not your own replies, in case you misunderstood, just wanted to point that out.

Thanks for making the above more clear. I get too wordy sometimes too, so it makes me want to do a better job at trying to be concise. Reading on a phone is a challenge. I used to read on an iTouch, but that was reading PDFs and it was still not the best.

SeekinTruth said:
"Col." House was discussed quite a bit in the The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed. Also what seems to be references to the Bank of International Settlements was discussed in The Red Symphony material, although it was called the World Bank there, which didn't exist back then. There's a forum thread on Red Symphony, it's supposed to be the interrogation of an agent caught by Stalin's regime - much about the Money Power and their manipulations are mentioned. Just mentioning all that if others are interested in looking into those sources.

I have read some of the The Controversy of Zion but I want to read all of it now. I found the Red Symphony material and I think it really fits into this thread and the connections. Thanks, for all the tips! :)
 

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