Who controls the BIS?

[irjO]

If the Mossad is on the top of the pyramid as the C's said, it would be not more easy to think of the Rothschild as some kind of Mossad agents? and the same for the top jesuits and so on.

 

[sitting]

If the Mossad is on the top of the pyramid as the C's said, it would be not more easy to think of the Rothschild as some kind of Mossad agents? and the same for the top jesuits and so on.

I think in some ways, ALL are agents of higher malevolent forces.

The reason the Rothschilds are significant, is they were instrumental in tightening this financial noose around the world--through their numerous machinations. Of course they did not start this process. But they took it on since the late 1700's and really made it what it is today.

But I also think this financial phase is nearly over. And the sheer physical force phase about to begin. Their "glory" days may be coming to an end.

Hence the C's with their "triple bad hair day" remark. FWIW.

 

[Sol Logos]

If the Mossad is on the top of the pyramid as the C's said, it would be not more easy to think of the Rothschild as some kind of Mossad agents? and the same for the top jesuits and so on.

I think in some ways, ALL are agents of higher malevolent forces.

I reckon that's right, it seems the various arms of those malevolent forces are dressed up according to need, the sleeves change but underneath are the same arms. For example when the Knights Templars where disbanded in France, on "unlucky" friday the 13th, they simiply set up lodges in other places under various names. Or so it appears from what I'm reading now:

For Grand Master Jacques de Molay, just prior to his execution in 1313, sent the surviving thirteen French Templars to establish four new Metropolitan lodges: one at Stockholm for the north, one at Naples for the east, one at Paris for the south, and one at Edinburgh for the west. Thus, the Knights remained the militant arm of the papacy. Except that their wealth, their secrecy, their gnostic cabalism, and their oath of papal obedience were obscurely dispersed under a variety of corporate names. A subtle provision in Vox clamantis transferred most Templar estates to the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, who took possession after King Philip’s death. In Germany and Austria, the Templars became “Rosicrucians” and “Teutonic Knights.” The Teutonic Knights grew strong in Mainz, birthplace of Gutenberg’s press. Six centuries later, as the “Teutonic Order,” the Knights would provide the nucleus of Adolf Hitler’s political support in Munich and Vienna. The Edinburgh lodge would become the headquarters of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which Masonic historians call “American Freemasonry” because all but five of the signers of the Declaration of Independence are said to have practiced its craft. In Spain and Portugal the Templars became the “llluminati”...

Rulers of Evil: Useful Knowledge about Governing Bodies: F. Tupper
http://www.amazon.com/Rulers-Evil-Useful-Knowledge-Governing/dp/0066210836

 

[sitting]

I reckon that's right, it seems the various arms of those malevolent forces are dressed up according to need, the sleeves change but underneath are the same arms.

And that's useful to keep in mind, as we assess the current contesting forces in our world. C's basically said most, if not ALL "leaders", are controlled. Puppets really.

So it's rather foolish to hear for instance: Obama did this ... or Obama decided that. Really no such thing.

What I'm unclear on however--is what higher forces are "controlling" Putin. And here, perhaps "assisting" may be the more appropriate term. Or benevolent guidance.

 

[goyacobol]

I wanted to share this before reading The Controversy of Zion and The Gods of Eden since there is so much to cover. I have not lost interest but have been trying to keep up with the rest of the forum as well.

In doing further reading and research I am starting to put more faith in the Cs emphasis on the Consortium. I think there is a mixture of influences from both the Zionists and Nordic Covenant/Aryan groups with others such as the Jesuits/Vatican influence. I tried to select some quotes from the Red Symphony that would tie the Zionists to the Jesuits and the Illuminati/Masons.

In the following from Red Symphony a link is mentioned to "Weishaupt and his followers with the first of the Rothschilds".

RED SYMPHONY By Josif Maksimovitch Landowsky

RED SYMPHONY
By Josif Maksimovitch Landowsky
Translated by George Knupffer
London : The Plain-Speaker Publishing Company © 1968
Original pagination preserved

Gavriil Gavriilovitch Kus’min questioning C.G. Rakovsky

Sinfonía en Rojo Mayor chapter XL
X-RAY OF REVOLUTION

G – Although all this can be understood and is also logical, but is not your
declaration of not knowing only an evasion? As it seems to me, and according to the
information I have, you occupied a sufficiently high place in this conspiracy to have
known much more. You do not even know a single one of them personally?
R – Yes, but of course you do not believe me. I have come to that moment where I
had explained that I am talking about a person and persons with a personality… how
should one say?… a mystical one, like Gandhi or something like that, but without any
external display. Mystics of pure power, who have become free from all vulgar trifles. I
do not know if you understand me? Well, as to their place of residence and names, I do
not know them… Imagine Stalin just now, in reality ruling the USSR, but not surrounded
by stone walls, not having any personnel around him, and having the same guarantees for
his life as any other citizen. By which means could he guard against attempts on his life?
He is first of all a conspirator, however great his power, he is anonymous.
G – What you are saying is logical, but I do not believe you.
R – But still believe me; I know nothing; if I knew then how happy I would be! I
would not be here, defending my life. I well understand your doubts and that, in view of
your police education, you feel the need for some knowledge about persons. To honour
you and also because this is essential for the aim which we both have set ourselves, I
shall do all I can in order to inform you. You know that according to the unwritten
history known only to us, the founder of the First Communist International is indicated,
of course secretly, as being Weishaupt. You remember his name? He was the head of the
masonry which is known by the name of the Illuminati; this name he borrowed from the
second anti-Christian conspiracy of that era— Gnosticism. This important revolutionary,
Semite and former Jesuit, foreseeing the triumph of the French revolution decided, or
perhaps he was ordered (some mention as his chief the important philosopher
Mendelssohn) to found a secret organization which was to provoke and push the French
revolution to go further than its political objectives, with the aim of transforming it into a
social revolution for the establishment of Communism. In those heroic times it was
colossally dangerous to mention Communism as an aim; from this derive the various
precautions and secrets, which had to surround the Illuminati. More than a hundred years
were required before a man could confess to being a Communist without danger of going
to prison or being executed. This is more or less known. What is not known are the
relations between Weishaupt and his followers with the first of the Rothschilds. The
secret of the acquisition of wealth of the best known bankers could have been explained
by the fact that they were the treasurers of this first Comintern. There is evidence that
when the five brothers spread out to the five provinces of the financial empire of Europe,
they had some secret help for the accumulation of these enormous sums: it is possible
that they were those first Communists from the Bavarian catacombs who were already
spread all over Europe. But others say, and I think with better reason, that the Rothschilds
were not the treasurers, but the chiefs of that first secret Communism. This opinion is based on that well-known fact that
Marx and the highest chiefs of the First International – already the open one – and among
them Herzen and Heine, were controlled by Baron Lionel Rothschild, whose
revolutionary portrait was done by Disraeli [in Coningsby —Transl.] the English
Premier, who was his creature, and has been left to us. He described him in the character
of Sidonia, a man, who, according to the story, was a multi-millionaire, knew and
controlled spies, carbonari, freemasons, secret Jews, gypsies, revolutionaries etc., etc. All
this seems fantastic. But it has been proved that Sidonia is an idealized portrait of the son
of Nathan Rothschild, which can also be deduced from that campaign which he raised
against Tsar Nicholas in favour of Herzen. He won this campaign.

Hitler manipulated by Bankers whose agenda he didn't understand
Part I: Hitler Didn't Want World War, by Henry Makow Ph.D.
March 21, 2004

ROTHSCHILD CONDUCTS RED SYMPHONY
Why would the financial elite also want to destroy Russia, which they created?
The transcript of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of C.G. Rakowsky (a.k.a Chaim Rakeover)
provides the answer. Rakowsky was an intimate of Trotsky's and former Soviet ambassador to
Paris.
Rothschild's agent Leon Trotsky was supposed to succeed Lenin but got sick at the critical
moment. Stalin was able to assume power and divert Russia from Rothschild control.
In order to control Stalin, international finance was forced to build up Hitler and the Nazi
party. Rakowsky confirms that Jewish financiers backed the Nazis although Hitler was not aware
of this.
"The ambassador Warburg presented himself under a false name and Hitler did not even
guess his race ... he also lied regarding whose representative he was... Our aim was to
provoke a war and Hitler was war...[the Nazis] received...millions of dollars sent to it from
Wall Street, and millions of Marks from German financiers through Schacht; [providing]
the upkeep of the S.A and the S.S. and also the financing of the elections..."
Unfortunately for the bankers, Hitler also proved intractable. He started to print his own money! ...
The book "Financial Origins of National Socialism" (1933) by "Sydney Warburg" provides
another glimpse of how the Illuminist clique supported Hitler. This 70-page booklet was
suppressed for many years but was republished in 1983 as "Hitler's Secret Backers."
"Warburg" describes a July 1929 meeting with "Carter," the President of J.P. Morgan's
Guarantee Trust, the Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks, "the young Rockefeller" and
"Glean from Royal Dutch." These are all Rothschild dominated.
It was determined that Warburg who spoke German should travel to Germany and ask Hitler
how much money he needed to overthrow the state. The only stipulation was that Hitler adopts
"an aggressive foreign policy."
"Warburg" details five meetings with Hitler between 1929 and 1933. The first took place in a
beer cellar and Hitler calculated his needs on the back of a paper plate. About $25 million was
transferred. This was extremely important in the depth of the depression because the Nazis
provided food and shelter to many of their supporters.
Hitler wasn't told the reason for this support and did not ask. On two occasions, he wondered
out loud if "Warburg" was himself Jewish but dismissed the idea before "Warburg" could reply.
There is no "Sydney Warburg" but the internal evidence suggests the author could be James
Warburg, son of Federal Reserve founder Paul Warburg. Many people dismiss this monograph
as yet another fraud but the wealth of accurate detail and anecdote suggests otherwise. ...
{end}
Peter Myers Comments: Henry Makow interprets Red Symphony, and Hitler's Secret Backers,
as meaning that the Illuminati gave money to help Hitler gain power, once they had completely
lost control of Russia to Stalin, the intention being to restore Trotsky once Stalin had fallen.
You can obtain a copy of Hitler's Secret Backers for US$5 at http://www.omnicbc.com.
The author of this book, apparently written in 1933, says that he was invited to be a courier to
Hitler, at a meeting on July, 1929 (p. 5). He says that New York financiers wanted to bring France
into line (to renounce Versailles reparations claims), and wanted Hitler to pursue an aggressive
foreign policy. In the document, Hitler says that he would use Stalin to help subdue France, then,
with his back thus covered, tackle the eastern question, the implication being that he would
implement the lebensraum in the Ukraine, as envisaged in Mein Kampf.
Isaac Deutscher says, in The Prophet Outcast, that Trotsky was expelled from the USSR on
10 February, 1929 (p. 1}.
So, the connection is plausible, but can't be proven.

Although the dating anomaly of the World Bank is mentioned I think it is not that crucial to the details since the BIS was started in 1930. The following quotation sort of brings the Red Symphony up to date and kind of sums it up for me:

A Dating Anomaly
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:57:34 -0400 From: patricksmcnally@aim.com
... As for the alleged "Rakovsky interview" which appears in "Red Symphony," that, at least in its
present form, is clearly a fake. The World Bank was formed out of the Bretton Woods conference
of 1944. Christian Rakovsky himself died in 1941 and his trial occurred in 1938. There is no way
that the real Rakovsky could have made a comment such as 'I think I shall not be wrong if I tell
you that not one of "Them" is a person who occupies a political position or a position in the World
Bank.'
This comment was obviously written as bait for a paleo-conservative audience of the 1950s,
many of whom liked to charge that the World Bank and any other internationally functioning
organizations were 'Communist.' Whether that means that the actual script was written by a
paleo-conservative of the 1950s or by someone else with an altogether different motive, who
really knows? But it certainly wouldn't have been the authentic Rakovsky making such a
comment about the World Bank 6 years before the Bretton Woods conference.

Patrick S. McNally

Red Symphony remains intriguing because of its advocacy of Convergence as a policy. This
developed in detail many years later. Gorbachev, for example, was following that path.
Now that Stalinism has completely fallen, other variants of Communism - Trotskyist, New
Left, the Frankfurt School, Postmodernism, George Soros & Maurice Strong's Green/"New Age"
one - are making a comeback. They are all, broadly, in Trotsky's camp.
The Trots, even though "for the poor against the rich", are even more for "unifying the world".
Under themselves, of course. That's why they published a book in favour of Free Trade.
Convergence between Communism and Capitalism was supported by H. G. Wells and by
David Ben Gurion, when he predicted World Government by 1987, as well as by Gorbachev - via
his talk of a single "World Civilization"
In each case, they wanted to get rid of Stalinism in the USSR, and "Anti-Semitism" in the
West.
Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, invited in 1962 to predict what the world would
be like in 25 years' time, wrote in LOOK magazine, Jan. 16, 1962:

The image of the world in 1987 as traced in my imagination: the Cold War will be a thing
of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligentsia in Russia for more
freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a
gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence
of the workers and farmers, and rising political importance of men of science, may
transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy. Western and
Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a Socialist and
democratic regime.
With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, all other
continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an
international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more
wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a shrine of
the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the scene of
the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated
continents, as prophesied by Isaiah. Higher education will be the right of every
person in the world. A pill to prevent pregnancy will slow down the explosive natural
increase in China and India. And by 1987, the average life-span of man will reach
100 years.

The above scenario predicted by Ben-Gurion will most likely include the Vatican but how this might play out is the big question for me.


Some preliminary notes on The Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion
There was an interesting Snake symbol reference in the preliminary notes so I thought I would include it.

The "Snake" was also mentioned in the BIS SOTT article Meet The Secretive Group That Runs The World

Also a little Serpent reference from the Cs:

Session 16 October 1994

Q: (L) Who was the originator of the Brotherhood of the Serpent as described in the Bramley book?
A: Lizard Beings.

Notes II - The Symbolic Snake of Judaism.

Protocol III opens with a reference to the Symbolic Snake of Judaism. In his Epilogue to
the 1905 Edition of the Protocols, Nilus gives the following interesting account of this
symbol:
"According to the records of secret Jewish Zionism, Solomon and other Jewish learned
men already, in 929 B.C., thought out a scheme in theory for a peaceful conquest of the
whole universe by Zion. As history developed, this scheme was worked out in detail and
Protocol III opens with a reference to the Symbolic Snake of Judaism. In his Epilogue to
the 1905 Edition of the Protocols, Nilus gives the following interesting account of this
symbol:
"According to the records of secret Jewish Zionism, Solomon and other Jewish learned
men already, in 929 B.C., thought out a scheme in theory for a peaceful conquest of the
whole universe by Zion. As history developed, this scheme was worked out in detail and
completed by men who were subsequently initiated in this question. These learned men
decided by peaceful means to conquer the world for Zion with the slyness of the
Symbolic Snake, whose head was to represent those who have been initiated into the
plans of the Jewish administration, and the body of the Snake to represent the Jewish
people - the administration was always kept secret, EVEN FROM THE JEWISH
NATION ITSELF. As this Snake penetrated into the hearts of the nations which it
encountered it undermined and devoured all the non-Jewish power of these States. It is
foretold that the Snake has still to finish its work, strictly adhering to the designed plan,
until the course which it has to run is closed by the return of its head to Zion and until, by
this means, the Snake has completed its round of Europe and has encircled it - and until,
by dint of enchaining Europe, it has encompassed the whole world. This it is to
accomplish by using every endeavor to subdue the other countries by an ECONOMICAL
CONQUEST. The return of the head of the Snake to Zion can only be accomplished after
the power of all the Sovereign of Europe has been laid low, that is to say, when by means
of economic crises and wholesale destruction effected everywhere, there shall have been
brought about a spiritual demoralization and a moral corruption, chiefly with the
assistance of Jewish women masquerading as French, Italians, etc.. These are the surest
spreaders of licentiousness into the lives of the leading men at the heads of nations. A
map of the course of the Symbolic Snake is shown as follows: - Its first stage in Europe
was in 429 B.C. in Greece, where, about the time of Pericles, the Snake first started
eating into the power of that country. The second stage was in Rome in the time of
Augustus, about 69 B.C.. The third in Madrid in the time of Charles V, in A.D. 1552. The
fourth in Paris about 1790, in the time of Louis XVI. The fifth in London from 1814
onwards (after the downfall of Napoleon). The sixth in Berlin in 1871 after the Franco-
Prussian war. The seventh in St. Petersburg, over which is drawn the head of the Snake
under the date of 1881. [This "Snake" is now being drawn through the Americas and in
the United States of America, it has been partially identified as the "Council on Foreign
Relations" (C.F.R.) and the "Trilateral Commission"]. All these States which the Snake
traversed have had the foundations of their constitutions shaken, Germany, with its
apparent power, forming no exception to the rule. In economic conditions, England and
Germany are spared, but only till the conquest of Russia is accomplished by the Snake,
on which at present [i.e., 1905] all its efforts are concentrated. The further course of the
Snake is not shown on this map, but arrows indicate its next movement towards Moscow,
Kieft and Odessa. It is now well known to us to what extent the latter cities form the
centres of the militant Jewish race. Constantinople is shown as the last stage of the
Snake's course before it reaches Jerusalem. (This map was drawn years before the
occurrence of the "Young Turk" - i.e., Jewish - Revolution in Turkey).

The Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion

PROTOCOL No. 4

2. Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force? And this is precisely
what our force is. GENTILE masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects,
but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole
people an unknown mystery.

PROTOCOL No. 5

MASSES LED BY LIES
4. Moreover, the art of directing masses and individuals by means of cleverly
manipulated theory and verbiage, by regulations of life in common and all sorts of other
quirks, in all which the GOYIM understand nothing, belongs likewise to the specialists of
our administrative brain. Reared on analysis, observation, on delicacies of fine
calculation, in this species of skill we have no rivals, any more than we have either in the
drawing up of plans of political actions and solidarity. In this respect the Jesuits alone
might have compared with us, but we have contrived to discredit them in the eyes of the
unthinking mob as an overt organization, while we ourselves all the while have kept our
secret organization in the shade. However, it is probably all the same to the world who is
its sovereign lord, whether the head of Catholicism or our despot of the blood of Zion!
But to us, the Chosen People, it is very far from being a matter of indifference.

PROTOCOL No. 9

2. The words of the liberal, which are in effect the words of our masonic watchword,
namely, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," will, when we come into our kingdom, be
changed by us into words no longer of a watchword, but only an expression of idealism,
namely, into "The right of liberty, the duty of equality, the ideal of brotherhood." That is
how we shall put it, - and so we shall catch the bull by the horns ... DE FACTO we have
already wiped out every kind of rule except our own, although DE JURE there still
remain a good many of them. Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only
PRO FORMA at our discretion and by our direction, for THEIR ANTI-SEMITISM IS
INDISPENSABLE TO US FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR LESSER
BRETHREN. I will not enter into further explanations, for this matter has formed the
subject of repeated discussions amongst us.

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE
IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES,
RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS,
AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the
task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE
LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL
ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort
to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE
THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL
SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

PROTOCOL No. 9

WE ARE WOLVES

4. The GOYIM are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what
happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? ....
5. There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep
promising them to give back all the liberties we have taken away as soon as we have
quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties ....
6. It is not worth to say anything about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this
return of their liberties ....
7. For what purpose then have we invented this whole policy and insinuated it into the
minds of the GOY without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning?
For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a roundabout way what is for our scattered
tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our
organization of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS
WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE "GOY" CATTLE,
ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE "SHOW" ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN
ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS.
8. God has granted to us, His Chosen People, the gift of the dispersion, and in this which
appears in all eyes to be our weakness, has come forth all our strength, which has now
brought us to the threshold of sovereignty over all the world.
9. There now remains not much more for us to build up upon the foundation we have
laid.

PROTOCOL No. 12

17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal
masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together
by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away
the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of
them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever
admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other ....
These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few
the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after
him with enthusiasm.


PROTOCOL No. 14

1. When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist
any other religion than ours of the One God with whom our destiny is bound up by our
position as the Chosen People and through whom our same destiny is united with the
destinies of the world. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief. If this
gives birth to the atheists whom we see to-day, it will not, being only a transitional stage,
interfere with our views, but will serve as a warning for those generations which will
hearken to our preaching of the religion of Moses, that, by its stable and thoroughly
elaborated system has brought all the peoples of the world into subjection to us. Therein
we shall emphasize its mystical right, on which, as we shall say, all its educative power is
based .... Then at every possible opportunity we shall publish articles in which we shall
make comparisons between our beneficent rule and those of past ages. The blessing of
tranquillity, though it be a tranquillity forcibly brought about by centuries of agitation,
will throw into higher relief the benefits to which we shall point. The errors of the
GOYIM governments will be depicted by us in the most vivid hues. We shall implant
such an abhorrence of them that the peoples will prefer tranquillity in a state of serfdom
to those rights of vaunted freedom which have tortured humanity and exhausted the very
sources of human existence, sources which have been exploited by a mob of rascally
adventurers who know not what they do .... USELESS CHANGES OF FORMS OF
GOVERNMENT TO WHICH WE INSTIGATED THE "GOYIM" WHEN WE WERE
UNDERMINING THEIR STATE STRUCTURES, WILL HAVE SO WEARIED THE
PEOPLES BY THAT TIME THAT THEY WILL PREFER TO SUFFER ANYTHING
UNDER US RATHER THAN RUN THE RISK OF ENDURING AGAIN ALL THE
AGITATIONS AND MISERIES THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH.

PROTOCOL No. 15

1. When we at last definitely come into our kingdom by the aid of COUPS D'ETAT
prepared everywhere for one and the same day, after definitely acknowledged (and not a
little time will pass before that comes about, perhaps even a whole century) we shall
make it our task to see that against us such things as plots shall no longer exist. With this
purpose we shall slay without mercy all who take arms (in hand, like Waco? Randy
Weaver? Port Arthur? Oklahoma?) to oppose our coming into our kingdom. Every kind
of new institution of anything like a secret society will also be punished with death; those
of them which are now in existence, are known to us, serve us and have served us, we
shall disband and send into exile to continents far removed from Europe. IN THIS WAY
WE SHALL PROCEED WITH THOSE "GOY" MASONS WHO KNOW TOO MUCH;
such of these as we may for some reason spare will be kept in constant fear of exile. We
shall promulgate a law making all former members of secret societies liable to exile from
Europe as the center of rule.
2. Resolutions of our government will be final, without appeal.
3. In the GOY societies, in which we have planted and deeply rooted discord and
protestantism, the only possible way of restoring order is to employ merciless measures
that prove the direct force of authority: no regard must be paid to the victims who fall,
they suffer for the well-being of the future. The attainment of that well-being, even at the
expense of sacrifices, is the duty of any kind of government that acknowledges as
justification for its existence not only its privileges but its obligations. The principal
guarantee of stability of rule is to confirm the aureole of power, and this aureole is
attained only by such a majestic inflexibility of might as shall carry on its face the
emblems of inviolability from mystical causes - from the choice of God. SUCH WAS,
UNTIL RECENT TIMES, THE RUSSIAN AUTOCRACY, THE ONE AND ONLY
SERIOUS FOE WE HAD IN THE WORLD, WITHOUT COUNTING THE PAPACY.
Bear in mind the example when Italy, drenched with blood, never touched a hair of the
head of Sulla who had poured forth that blood: Sulla enjoyed an apotheosis for his might
in him, but his intrepid return to Italy ringed him round with inviolability. The people do
not lay a finger on him who hypnotizes them by his daring and strength of mind.

SECRET SOCIETIES

4. Meantime, however, until we come into our kingdom, we shall act in the contrary way:
we shall create and multiply free masonic lodges in all the countries of the world, absorb
into them all who may become or who are prominent in public activity, for these lodges
we shall find our principal intelligence office and means of influence. All these lodges we
shall bring under one central administration, known to us alone and to all others
absolutely unknown, which will be composed of our learned elders. The lodges will have
their representatives who will serve to screen the above-mentioned administration of
MASONRY and from whom will issue the watchword and program. In these lodges we
shall tie together the knot which binds together all revolutionary and liberal elements
will be known to us and fall under our guiding hands on the very day of their conception.
AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THESE LODGES WILL BE ALMOST ALL THE
AGENTS OF INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL POLICE since their service is for
us irreplaceable in the respect that the police is in a position not only to use its own
particular measures with the insubordinate, but also to screen our activities and provide
pretexts for discontents, ET CETERA.
5. The class of people who most willingly enter into secret societies are those who live by
their wits, careerists, and in general people, mostly light-minded, with whom we shall
have no difficulty in dealing and in using to wind up the mechanism of the machine
devised by us. If this world grows agitated the meaning of that will be that we have had
to stir up in order to break up its too great solidarity. BUT IF THERE SHOULD ARISE
IN ITS MIDST A PLOT, THEN AT THE HEAD OF THAT PLOT WILL BE NO
OTHER THAN ONE OF OUR MOST TRUSTED SERVANTS. It is natural that we and
no other should lead MASONIC activities, for we know whither we are leading, we know
the final goal of every form of activity whereas the GOYIM have knowledge of nothing,
not even of the immediate effect of action; they put before themselves, usually, the
momentary reckoning of the satisfaction of their self-opinion in the accomplishment of
their thought without even remarking that the very conception never belonged to their
initiative but to our instigation of their thought …

GENTILES ARE STUPID

6. The GOYIM enter the lodges out of curiosity or in the hope by their means to get a
nibble at the public pie, and some of them in order to obtain a hearing before the public
for their impracticable and groundless fantasies: they thirst for the emotion of success and
applause, of which we are remarkably generous. And the reason why we give them this
success is to make use of the high conceit of themselves to which it gives birth, for that
insensibly disposes them to assimulate our suggestions without being on their guard
against them in the fullness of their confidence that it is their own infallibility which is
giving utterance to their own thoughts and that it is impossible for them to borrow those
of others .... You cannot imagine to what extent the wisest of the GOYIM can be brought
to a state of unconscious naivete in the presence of this condition of high conceit of
themselves, and at the same time how easy it is to take the heart out of them by the
slightest ill-success, though it be nothing more than the stoppage of the applause they
had, and to reduce them to a slavish submission for the sake of winning a renewal of
success .... BY SO MUCH AS OURS DISREGARD SUCCESS IF ONLY THEY CAN
CARRY THROUGH THEIR PLANS, BY SO MUCH THE "GOYIM" ARE WILLING
TO SACRIFICE ANY PLANS ONLY TO HAVE SUCCESS. This psychology of theirs
materially facilitates for us the task of setting them in the required direction. These tigers
in appearance have the souls of sheep and the wind blows freely through their heads. We
have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the
symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM .... They have never yet and they never will have the
sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of
nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another
and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality....
7. If we have been able to bring them to such a pitch of stupid blindness is it not a proof,
and an amazingly clear proof, of the degree to which the mind of the GOYIM is
undeveloped in comparison with our mind? This it is, mainly, which guarantees our
success.

GENTILES ARE CATTLE

8. And how far-seeing were our learned elders in ancient times when they said that to
attain a serious end it behooves not to stop at any means or to count the victims sacrificed
for the sake of that end .... We have not counted the victims of the seed of the GOY
cattle, though we have sacrificed many of our own, but for that we have now already
given them such a position on the earth as they could not even have dreamed of. The
comparatively small numbers of the victims from the number of ours have preserved our
nationality from destruction.
9. Death is the inevitable end for all. It is better to bring that end nearer to those who
hinder our affairs than to ourselves, to the founders of this affair. WE EXECUTE
MASONS IN SUCH WISE THAT NONE SAVE THE BROTHERHOOD CAN EVER
HAVE A SUSPICION OF IT, NOT EVEN THE VICTIMS THEMSELVES OF OUR
DEATH SENTENCE, THEY ALL DIE WHEN REQUIRED AS IF FROM A NORMAL
KIND OF ILLNESS ..... Knowing this, even the brotherhood in its turn dare not protest.
By such methods we have plucked out of the midst of MASONRY the very root of
protest against our disposition. While preaching liberalism to the GOY we at the same
time keep our own people and our agents in a state of unquestioning submission.
10. Under our influence the execution of the laws of the GOYIM has been reduced to a
minimum. The prestige of the law has been exploded by the liberal interpretations
introduced into this sphere. In the most important and fundamental affairs and questions,
JUDGES DECIDE AS WE DICTATE TO THEM, see matters in the light wherewith we
enfold them for the administration of the GOYIM, of course, through persons who are
our tools though we do not appear to have anything in common with them - by newspaper
opinion or by other means .... Even senators and the higher administration accept our
counsels. The purely brute mind of the GOYIM is incapable of use for analysis and
observation, and still more for the foreseeing whither a certain manner of setting a
question may tend.
11. In this difference in capacity for thought between the GOYIM and ourselves may be
clearly discerned the seal of our position as the Chosen People and of our higher quality
of humanness, in contradistinction to the brute mind of the GOYIM. Their eyes are open,
but see nothing before them and do not invent (unless perhaps, material things). From
this it is plain that nature herself has destined us to guide and rule the world.

WE DEMAND SUBMISSION

13. Concealment of guilt, connivance between those in the service of the administration -
all this kind of evil will disappear after the very first examples of severe punishment. The
aureole of our power demands suitable, that is, cruel, punishments for the slightest
infringement, for the sake of gain, of its supreme prestige. The sufferer, though his
punishment may exceed his fault, will count as a soldier falling on the administrative
field of battle in the interests of authority, principle and law, which do not permit that any
of those who hold the reins of the public coach should turn aside from the public highway
to their own private paths. FOR EXAMPLES OUR JUDGES WILL KNOW THAT
WHENEVER THEY FEEL DISPOSED TO PLUME THEMSELVES ON FOOLISH
CLEMENCY THEY ARE VIOLATING THE LAW OF JUSTICE WHICH IS
INSTITUTED FOR THE EXEMPLARY EDIFICATION OF MEN BY PENALTIES
FOR LAPSES AND NOT FOR DISPLAY OF THE SPIRITUAL QUALITIES OF THE
JUDGES .... Such qualities it is proper to show in private life, but not in a public square
which is the educational basis of human life.

WE SHALL BE CRUEL

20. OUR GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF A PATRIARCHAL
PATERNAL GUARDIANSHIP ON THE PART OF OUR RULER. Our own nation and
our subjects will discern in his person a father caring for their every need, their every act,
their every interrelation as subjects one with another, as well as their relations to the
ruler. They will then be so thoroughly imbued with the thought that it is impossible for
them to dispense with this wardship and guidance, if they wish to live in peace and quiet,
THAT THEY WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THE AUTOCRACY OF OUR RULER WITH
A DEVOTION BORDERING ON "APOTHEOSIS," especially when they are convinced
that those whom we set up do not put their own in place of authority, but only blindly
execute his dictates. They will be rejoiced that we have regulated everything in their lives
as is done by wise parents who desire to train children in the cause of duty and
submission. For the peoples of the world in regard to the secrets of our polity are ever
through the ages only children under age, precisely as are also their governments.

22. We are obliged without hesitation to sacrifice individuals, who commit a breach of
established order, for in the exemplary punishment of evil lies a great educational
problem.
23. When the King of Israel sets upon his sacred head the crown offered him by Europe
he will become patriarch of the world. The indispensable victims offered by him in
consequence of their suitability will never reach the number of victims offered in the
course of centuries by the mania of magnificence, the emulation between the GOY
governments.
24. Our King will be in constant communion with the peoples, making to them from the
tribune speeches which fame will in that same hour distribute over all the world.

PROTOCOL No. 17

WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY

2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF
THE "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still
be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling
lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO
THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE
COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we
shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of
this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their
influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.
3. When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand
will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves
upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive
bloodshed. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall
never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place.
4. THE KING OF THE JEWS WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE
PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH
5. But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional
religions and afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A FINGER ON
EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM BY CRITICISM
CALCULATED TO PRODUCE SCHISM . . .

6. In general, then, our contemporary press will continue to CONVICT State affairs,
religions, incapacities of the GOYIM, always using the most unprincipled expressions in
order by every means to lower their prestige in the manner which can only be practiced
by the genius of our gifted tribe . . . (Calling the Jim Jones massacre in Guyana a mass
suicide, not a C.I.A./MK-ULTRA/U.S. Government massacre? Denying the massacre of
the Branch Dravidian sect at Waco, Texas, was a needless and deliberate massacre by
the B.A.T.F./F.B.I/C.I.A/U.S. Government).

9. JUST AS NOWADAYS OUR BRETHREN, ARE OBLIGED AT THEIR OWN RISK
TO DENOUNCE TO THE KAHAL APOSTATES OF THEIR OWN FAMILY or
members who have been noticed doing anything in opposition to the KAHAL, SO IN
OUR KINGDOM OVER ALL THE WORLD IT WILL BE OBLIGATORY FOR ALL
OUR SUBJECTS TO OBSERVE THE DUTY OF SERVICE TO THE STATE IN THIS
DIRECTION.

PROTOCOL No. 20

21. The present issue of money in general does not correspond with the requirements per
head, and cannot therefore satisfy all the needs of the workers. The issue of money ought
to correspond with the growth of population and thereby children also must absolutely be
reckoned as consumers of currency from the day of their birth. The revision of issue is a
material question for the whole world.
22. YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE GOLD STANDARD HAS BEEN THE RUIN OF
THE STATES WHICH ADOPTED IT, FOR IT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO SATISFY
THE DEMANDS FOR MONEY, THE MORE SO THAT WE HAVE REMOVED
GOLD FROM CIRCULATION AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.

TYRANNY OF USURY

33. If the superficiality of GOY kings on their thrones in regard to State affairs and the
venality of ministers or the want of understanding of financial matters on the part of other
ruling persons have made their countries debtors to our treasuries to amounts quite
impossible to pay it has not been accomplished without, on our part, heavy expenditure of
trouble and money.
34. Stagnation of money will not be allowed by us and therefore there will be no State
interest-bearing paper, except a one per-cent series, so that there will be no payment of
interest to leeches that suck all the strength out of the State. The right to issue interestbearing
paper will be given exclusively to industrial companies who find no difficulty in
paying interest out of profits, whereas the State does not make interest on borrowed
money like these companies, for the State borrows to spend and not to use in operations.
(Now we know why President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 when he refused to
borrow any more of the "Bank Notes" from the bankers of the Federal Reserve Bank and
began circulating non-interest bearing "Notes" of the "United States of America"!!!).


PROTOCOL No. 21

10. When we ascend the throne of the world all these financial and similar shifts, as being
not in accord with our interests, will be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will
be destroyed all money markets, since we shall not allow the prestige of our power to be
shaken by fluctuations of prices set upon our values, which we shall announce by law at
the price which represents their full worth without any possibility of lowering or raising.
(Raising gives the pretext for lowering, which indeed was where we made a beginning in
relation to the values of the GOYIM).
11. We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the
object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with
government views. These institutions will be in a position to fling upon the market five
hundred millions of industrial paper in one day, or to buy up for the same amount. In this
way all industrial undertakings will come into dependence upon us. You may imagine for
yourselves what immense power we shall thereby secure for ourselves ....

PROTOCOL No. 22

3. Surely there is no need to seek further proof that our rule is predestined by God?
Surely we shall not fail with such wealth to prove that all that evil which for so many
centuries we have had to commit has served at the end of ends the cause of true wellbeing
- the bringing of everything into order? Though it be even by the exercise of some
violence, yet all the same it will be established. (The motto of the Freemasons - "Out of
Chaos, Order"). We shall contrive to prove that we are benefactors who have restored to
the rent and mangled earth the true good and also freedom of the person, and therewith
we shall enable it to be enjoyed in peace and quiet, with proper dignity of relations, on
the condition, of course, of strict observance of the laws established by us. We shall make
plain therewith that freedom does not consist in dissipation and in the right of unbridled
license any more than the dignity and force of a man do not consist in the right of
everyone to promulgate destructive principles in the nature of freedom of conscience,
equality and the like, that freedom of the person in no wise consists in the right to agitate
oneself and others by abominable speeches before disorderly mobs, and that true freedom
consists in the inviolability of the person who honorably and strictly observes all the laws
of life in common, that human dignity is wrapped up in consciousness of the rights and
also of the absence of rights of each, and not wholly and solely in fantastic imaginings
about the subject of one's EGO.

PROTOCOL No. 23

1. That the peoples may become accustomed to obedience it is necessary to inculcate
lessons of humility and therefore to reduce the production of articles of luxury. By this
we shall improve morals which have been debased by emulation in the sphere of luxury.
We shall re-establish small master production which will mean laying a mine under the
private capital of manufactures. This is indispensable also for the reason that
manufacturers on the grand scale often move, though not always consciously, the
thoughts of the masses in directions against the government. A people of small masters
knows nothing of unemployment and this binds him closely with existing order, and
consequently with the firmness of authority. For us its part will have been played out the
moment authority is transferred into our hands. Drunkenness also will be prohibited by
law and punishable as a crime against the humanness of man who is turned into a brute
under the influence of alcohol.
2. Subjects, I repeat once more, give blind obedience only to the strong hand which is
absolutely independent of them, for in it they feel the sword of defense and support
against social scourges .... What do they want with an angelic spirit in a king? What they
have to see in him is the personification of force and power.
3. The supreme lord who will replace all now existing rulers, dragging in their existence
among societies demoralized by us, societies that have denied even the authority of God,
from whose midst breeds out on all sides the fire of anarchy, must first of all proceed to
quench this all-devouring flame. Therefore he will be obliged to kill off those existing
societies, though he should drench them with his own blood, that he may resurrect them
again in the form of regularly organized troops fighting consciously with every kind of
infection that may cover the body of the State with sores.
4. This Chosen One of God is chosen from above to demolish the senseless forces moved
by instinct and not reason, by brutishness and not humanness. These forces now triumph
in manifestations of robbery and every kind of violence under the mask of principles of
freedom and rights. They have overthrown all forms of social order to erect on the ruins
the throne of the King of the Jews; but their part will be played out the moment he enters
into his kingdom. Then it will be necessary to sweep them away from his path, on which
must be left no knot, no splinter.
5. Then will it be possible for us to say to the peoples of the world: "Give thanks to God
and bow the knee before him who bears on his front the seal of the predestination of man,
to which God himself has led his star that none other but Him might free us from all the
before-mentioned forces and evils".

PROTOCOL No. 24

1. I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic roots of King David to the last
strata of the earth.
2. This confirmation will first and foremost be included in that which to this day has
rested the force of conservatism by our learned elders of the conduct of the affairs of the
world, in the directing of the education of thought of all humanity.
3. Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their heirs, selecting
not by right of heritage but by eminent capacities, inducting them into the most secret
mysteries of the political, into schemes of government, but providing always that none
may come to knowledge of the secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may
know that government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the
secret places of its art ....
4. To these persons only will be taught the practical application of the aforenamed plans
by comparison of the experiences of many centuries, all the observations on the politicoeconomic
moves and social sciences - in a word, all the spirit of laws which have been
unshakably established by nature herself for the regulation of the relations of humanity.
5. Direct heirs will often be set aside from ascending the throne if in their time of training
they exhibit frivolity, softness and other qualities that are the ruin of authority, which
render them incapable of governing and in themselves dangerous for kingly office.
6. Only those who are unconditionally capable for firm, even if it be to cruelty, direct rule
will receive the reins of rule from our learned elders.
7. In case of falling sick with weakness of will or other form of incapacity. kings must by
law hand over the reins of rule to new and capable hands.
8. The king's plan of action for the current moment, and all the more so for the future,
will be unknown, even to those who are called his closest counselors.

KING OF THE JEWS

9. Only the king and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is coming.
10. In the person of the king who with unbending will is master of himself and of
humanity all will discern as it were fate with its mysterious ways. None will know what
the king wishes to attain by his dispositions, and therefore none will dare to stand across
an unknown path.
11. It is understood that the brain reservoir of the king must correspond in capacity to the
plan of government it has to contain. It is for this reason that he will ascend the throne not
otherwise than after examination of his mind by the aforesaid learned elders.
12. That the people may know and love their king, it is indispensable for him to converse
in the market-places with his people. This ensures the necessary clinching of the two
forces which are now divided one from another by us by the terror.
13. This terror was indispensable for us till the time comes for both these forces
separately to fall under our influence.
14. The king of the Jews must not be at the mercy of his passions, and especially of
sensuality: on no side of his character must he give brute instincts power over his mind.
Sensuality worse than all else disorganizes the capacities of the mind and clearness of
views, distracting the thoughts to the worst and most brutal side of human activity.
15. The prop of humanity in the person of the supreme lord of all the world of the holy
seed of David must sacrifice to his people all personal inclinations.
16. Our supreme lord must be of an exemplary irreproachability.
Signed by the representative of Zion, of the 33rd Degree

As you can see from the Protocols they claim control for just about everything which to me makes the document slightly suspect. They control through banks, gold, Freemasonry, the press, education, entertainment, labor, religion, police, military, science, psychology, sociology, intelligence organizations and politics to name a few. It could be that these claims may have been "leaked" to throw us off from the real controllers/predators. They may be true in part but it is very difficult to accept all of it, especially with the constant tone of hubris berating the GOYIM for their brutish stupidity.

The main value in these two documents so far as I can can see is that they seem to show some very possible connections between groups such as the banking families (whether Jewish or Nordic) and also secret organizations such as Freemasonry/Illuminati, Jesuits and a mystic Zionist Kabal. The history does seem to point in the direction of serious collaboration although "secret" is not so easy to make "public".

In the Red Symphony Adam Weishaupt is described by C.G. Rakovsky as:

This important revolutionary,
Semite and former Jesuit, foreseeing the triumph of the French revolution decided, or
perhaps he was ordered (some mention as his chief the important philosopher
Mendelssohn) to found a secret organization which was to provoke and push the French
revolution to go further than its political objectives, with the aim of transforming it into a
social revolution for the establishment of Communism.

There are others who claim that Adam Weishaupt was the son of Jewish parents and raised as a Catholic but finding credible proof may be difficult.

As I was thinking about how the Protocols may be a scapegoating attempt to blame the Jews for everything I decided to search the forum and found a previous 2006 thread started by dant that may be very relevant to this thread. It is found here:

Illuminati Deprogramming Book?

Session 23 October 1994

Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in
bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.
Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."

If we are "Lucifer" I guess we sould expect to find a few Luciferians here and there. ;)

I will continue to keep looking for now.

 

[sitting]

Hi goyacobol,

Please allow me to address this first, even if it isn't the main thrust of your excellent post.

Session 23 October 1994

Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in
bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.
Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."

So we came from above. NOT risen from below (1st & 2nd). Our path a return trip--in contrast to most other kinds of consciousness?

I knew this before, but for some reason it rang deeper bells this morning.

Good grief, how DUMB! Vacating 7th ... not for 6th, not 5th, not even 4th. But stinking 3rd! That's must've taken some demonstration. Isn't 7th density total awareness? Complete understanding? Impeccable wisdom? Our's must have been a VERY rebellious group. And to see 4th trumping 7th (even if only a tiny piece of 7th) is disturbing to say the least. Sure puts an exclamation mark on choice--or intent.

Anyway this might explain a few things.

The availability of the Short Cycle (maybe for return trips only, not linear ascending ones.)
The desirability (as in potency) of our soul and emotional energies (to feeders.)
The great potential that lies latent within our minds (just getting it back.)
The supreme efforts currently made for its suppression.
And last but not least, the hope that it stirs in our hearts.

Thank you goyacobol for pointing this out. Meant a lot to me, even if it wasn't the main theme of your remarks.

 

[sitting]

I suppose it's also possible to view this as simply one probable existence--out of an infinite range of possibilities. But most minds would struggle with the immensity of the idea. FWIW.

 

[sitting]

In the following from Red Symphony a link is mentioned to "Weishaupt and his followers with the first of the Rothschilds".

There's an additional avenue worthy of exploring if you're interested. And that's Sabbatai Zevi. And Jacob Frank. There's speculation the Rothshilds were Frankist jews (followers of Frank). And further speculation they were direct decendants of Zevi. Although I'm unaware of any hard historical evidence.

But if true, it would explain a lot--because their machinations are satanic.

PS
Ultimately I think it's more important to see & understand the nature of this oppressive system.
And less regarding the exact names of those who put it in place. :)

Especially since we will never get the names of the real bosses. The non-human types.

 

[goyacobol]

Hi goyacobol,

Please allow me to address this first, even if it isn't the main thrust of your excellent post.

Session 23 October 1994

Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in
bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.
Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."

So we came from above. NOT risen from below (1st & 2nd). Our path a return trip--in contrast to most other kinds of consciousness?

I knew this before, but for some reason it rang deeper bells this morning.

Good grief, how DUMB! Vacating 7th ... not for 6th, not 5th, not even 4th. But stinking 3rd! That's must've taken some demonstration. Isn't 7th density total awareness? Complete understanding? Impeccable wisdom? Our's must have been a VERY rebellious group. And to see 4th trumping 7th (even if only a tiny piece of 7th) is disturbing to say the least. Sure puts an exclamation mark on choice--or intent.

Anyway this might explain a few things.

The availability of the Short Cycle (maybe for return trips only, not linear ascending ones.)
The desirability (as in potency) of our soul and emotional energies (to feeders.)
The great potential that lies latent within our minds (just getting it back.)
The supreme efforts currently made for its suppression.
And last but not least, the hope that it stirs in our hearts.

Thank you goyacobol for pointing this out. Meant a lot to me, even if it wasn't the main theme of your remarks.

Sitting,

The thrust of this thread seems to shift as we discover different possibilities so I have no problem with a non-linear learning approach myself. Your observations have me "thinking with a hammer" about the 7D to 3D possibility. I have always thought the fall from angel status would be 6D to 3D which is still a great "fall". And your list of things to think about rings true to me too.

I got the idea of angels being 6D from the following session:

Session 27 January 1996

Q: (L) Well, the 'angel thing' is pretty big nowadays. There are an awful lot of angels running around.
My first thought was: 'what better way for the bad guys to deceive than to appear as angels.'
A: Not true!!! STS CAN appear as entities incorrectly perceived as "angels," but if it is really a sixth
density being, incorrect perception is not possible.

I don't know if angels can be "in union with the One" and still be 6D but maybe that is how it works? This is really an interesting part of the picture I think.

Thanks :)

 

[goyacobol]

In the following from Red Symphony a link is mentioned to "Weishaupt and his followers with the first of the Rothschilds".

There's an additional avenue worthy of exploring if you're interested. And that's Sabbatai Zevi. And Jacob Frank. There's speculation the Rothshilds were Frankist jews (followers of Frank). And further speculation they were direct decendants of Zevi. Although I'm unaware of any hard historical evidence.

But if true, it would explain a lot--because their machinations are satanic.

PS
Ultimately I think it's more important to see & understand the nature of this oppressive system.
And less regarding the exact names of those who put it in place. :)

Especially since we will never get the names of the real bosses. The non-human types.

Sitting,

It is really weird in a good way that I was just thinking about searching out material about the "Jewish Sabbatean heretics like the Rothschilds" when and went back to this thread and here you mention it. Maybe a little "telepathy" going on? And I too think it is the nature of the predator what we need to observe to get anywhere with the puzzle. :)

Thanks again

 

[sitting]

Your observations have me "thinking with a hammer" about the 7D to 3D possibility. I have always thought the fall from angel status would be 6D to 3D which is still a great "fall".

Hi goyacobol,

I believe the C's density designations are fairly clear, and precise--judging from the sessions. 6th is 6th. There they see all. And 7th is 7th. Union With The One. The two have never been mixed. This dividing line is as clear as the one for instance between 3rd and 4th. (Hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong.)

I think the only way 7th level souls get tricked into "falling" like this--is if that group's entire progression never contained physical experience. None whatsoever, from 1st all the way to 7th. If they had physicality, that experience would have already been embedded in their soul being, by the time they merged with The One.

The physical temptation worked because to this soul group it's entirely new, untried.

This is quite a theory. But Seth had given clues. In the vast variety that is the field of consciousness, some (in fact he said many) forms of consciousness do not manifest in physical form--ever. They progress through other means, like complex musical patterns, thermo images and the like. According to him, physicality is neither necessary nor inherent in the ascension to 7th. Some consciousness forms go through it. But many do not.

My guess is this particular group did not. Hence that huge and fateful leap to taste it.

Hard as I tried, I can't come up with any other logical reason. But I could be really wrong on this.

FWIW.

PS
This formulation necessitates an expanded definition of how we presently view 1st to 4th, where physicality is explicit. But Seth is adamant about the path of non-physicality for many other forms of consciousness. All the way through. Needless to say, it's controversial.

 

[Sol Logos]

I read about how those protocols of zion where a forgery but couldn't recall where that was. Anyway I came across a book written in the 40s and whom the author reckons it wasn't the first of it's kind:

These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first
documents of their kind fabricated by the Jesuits.
For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the
Jesuits had continued to make use of a similar fraud called The
Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-Fontaine against Jansenism—an
anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular clergy.
The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret
assemblage in the forest of Bourg-Fontaine; the plan of the "conspirators"
to destroy the Papacy and establish religious tolerance
among all nations; the alleged plot against Throne and Altar, and
the setting up of a world-government in opposition to the Catholic
Church.

[pp 15

Behind the Dictators - A Factual Analysis of the Relationship of Nazi-Fascism and Roman Catholicism

L. H. LEHMANN, 1942

Full PDF _http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Lehmann-Behind_the_Dictators-Relationship_of_Nazi-Fascism_and_Roman_Catholicism(1945).pdf ]

The first couple of chapters go into it in more detail, it's so far an interesting read too.

 

[clerck de bonk]

Forgery or not, it shows certain "people's" way of thinking.
If You compare it to the existing state of the world, how does it "taste"?

 

[Sol Logos]

Forgery or not, it shows certain "people's" way of thinking.
If You compare it to the existing state of the world, how does it "taste"?

Tastes bad I'd say.

I think it tells a lot more about the authors actually.

 

[clerck de bonk]

Forgery or not, it shows certain "people's" way of thinking.
If You compare it to the existing state of the world, how does it "taste"?

Tastes bad I'd say.

I think it tells a lot more about the authors actually.

My point is this; It doesn't matter 'who' wrote it because as a template it works (with ponerology in mind). And of course it tells a lot about the authors (and their wishful thinking). IMO it "tastes" the same as the world reek at this particular moment in time...