Who is the One? Who is God?

[irjO]

God is us, we are god, the creation is god, God is every consciousness in the universe, and therefore, the Universe is God. We just have different levels of learning and because of that, a different level of perception of God.
Basically we all live in 7th density, we are all in 7th density as one, but right now, our perception of it it’s very limited, it’s material, it’s a 3th density perception of 7th density.
In this limited perception we see everyone as a separated consciousness unit, the more we advance through lessons to higher densities, the more perception we will have of the true reality of the universe (God), until we reach the real and only universe which is the all knowing united consciousness, where the perception of it it’s complete, and we don’t see each other and everything else as something separated from us, but being part of one.
That is why the Cs says we are the prime creator, since we are one integrated consciousness, which now we perceived it as millions of separated things from us (people, animals, planets, stars system etc) at this “time” and level.

And why is this process like that? Because it just is. It’s a natural cyclical process, we need to learn all there is, so we can increase our perception of the real universe and become what we were and what we’ll be again: One united universe/consciousness, which we are already there, the same way we are already in 6th density and the ones below. How? Time doesn’t exist. Apply that to the universe’s reality. If there is no time, then obviously everything is happening simultaneously. So when we die we see the light, which in other words, we are seeing ourselves already as/in 7th density united consciousness.
Hopefully all this makes a bit of sense. Does all this helps to understand a bit better the concept of what might be or not God?

 

[Chetofloj]

I know we can barely understand fourth density, so understanding what the One is may be an impossible task.

All creation and its beings are "God", but...

Why does he make the periodic outlay (it seems) of creation?

Are there more like him?

Is there an environment?

And so on.

Perhaps the C's who are "closer" to "him" can say something that we from so far away can understand.

How will that be?

 

[Wandering Star]

Well, what do you think?

what do you mean by "god"? start there, because it seems like you're trying to describe a separate entity much like the ones described in religion, separate from the rest of creation and in charge of it somehow. Is that what you meant?

And, well that may be simply a matter of perspective, one can deem "god" anything more powerful, with more awareness than one. if so, then it depends on what your definition of god is, the answer might simply be, 4D denizens.

God is us, we are god, the creation is god, God is every consciousness in the universe, and therefore, the Universe is God. We just have different levels of learning and because of that, a different level of perception of God.
Basically we all live in 7th density, we are all in 7th density as one, but right now, our perception of it it’s very limited, it’s material, it’s a 3th density perception of 7th density.
In this limited perception we see everyone as a separated consciousness unit, the more we advance through lessons to higher densities, the more perception we will have of the true reality of the universe (God), until we reach the real and only universe which is the all knowing united consciousness, where the perception of it it’s complete, and we don’t see each other and everything else as something separated from us, but being part of one.
That is why the Cs says we are the prime creator, since we are one integrated consciousness, which now we perceived it as millions of separated things from us (people, animals, planets, stars system etc) at this “time” and level.

And why is this process like that? Because it just is. It’s a natural cyclical process, we need to learn all there is, so we can increase our perception of the real universe and become what we were and what we’ll be again: One united universe/consciousness, which we are already there, the same way we are already in 6th density and the ones below. How? Time doesn’t exist. Apply that to the universe’s reality. If there is no time, then obviously everything is happening simultaneously. So when we die we see the light, which in other words, we are seeing ourselves already as/in 7th density united consciousness.
Hopefully all this makes a bit of sense. Does all this helps to understand a bit better the concept of what might be or not God?

Ok, I got it now.

On to something else!

 

[Wandering Star]

Thanks akj, you help me a lot.

 

[BlueKiwi]

My 2 cents, Ra communicated this :

82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

Does this help ?

 

[John G]

Q: (L) Once again, are there any beings on 7th level?

A: Big bang.

Q: (L) Big bang is at 7th level?

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) So, when we all reach 7th level we will all blow up? We will all become one and it will all start all over again?

A: Close.

Ark in a recent blog post said: ...My favorite, Burkhard Heim, uses the Greek word "Apeiron" instead of Tao or Pleroma... I prefer to start from symmetry and let it break. You can call me an "aperionist".

back to me: 7th density would thus be the high energy unbroken starting math symmetry from which big bangs come; the big bang would be a thought by 7th density. 7th density would kind of just be consciousness with a math structure and no other way to describe it since you can't get outside of the one mind taking up the whole high energy universe state.

 

[bozadi]

I also ask similar questions from a similar perspective and mostly I can't have a satisfactory answer or intuition. I feel that it's almost "too easy to know". Our 3D and/or ego-contaminated thinking blinds us to some extremely simple facts, I conclude from my own experience. Even now, I can't find satisfactory answers to the questions you raised. But I'm interested in what blocks our understanding. It appears that the emphases made by the C's about the "nonexistence of time" is relevant to this issue. I mean, the reason why we have great difficulty in understanding time's nonexistent is also why we have a similar diffuculty in figuring out the answers of those questions.

A: Closer. Are you not yet aware that absolutely everything, we repeat: everything is an illusion?!?

Q: At some level, yes. So, still I ask, why, in the illusion in which we exist, or in which they exist... (A) They say here that everything is an illusion, and on the other hand they say there is consciousness and matter. Everything is an illusion? Even this?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) God is also an illusion?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Illusion to whom?

A: To those not on level 7. Your learning naturally dictates your experiences. Once you no longer require something, you naturally move beyond it. However, you retain it as a function of understanding.

Q: (A) And I am also an illusion! And understanding is also an illusion! (L) Back to my question: who created Lizzies AS LIZZIES? (A) Our illusion...

A: Everything is real, therefore, illusion is reality.

Q: (L) If everything is an illusion, from what does this illusion spring, and into what space does it spring?

A: Your consciousness.

Q: (L) Where did this consciousness originate?

A: Consciousness is the absolute, the center point.

Q: (L) Where is it centered?

A: Within the access.

Q: (L) What is the access?

A: The prompt that begets energy.

Q: (L) Of what is this energy made?

A: The consciousness.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time when this consciousness did not exist?

A: No, but there never was a time.

Q: (L) What prompted this consciousness to dream up all these illusions?

A: Need for balance. Energy cannot exist within a vacuum, therefore it must pulse. Hence you have waves.

Q: (L) You say that the impetus for dreaming up all the illusions was the need for balance; that implies imbalance, and that the imbalance was existence in a vacuum...

A: No.

Q: (L) What was the impetus for the need for balance?

A: Not a need, per se, just a natural function.

Q: (L) Well, when you have a pulse, you have a wave, and if you have a wave, that implies time.

A: Therein lies the crux of your 3rd density illusion. Why assume that any given aspect of the pulse is not occurring simultaneously with any other. And if any are, all are. Until you once and for all break free from the illusion of time, you will not advance.

Q: (L) Are there any beings on 7th level?

A: Time does not exist.

...

Q: (L) Once again, are there any beings on 7th level?

A: Big bang.

Q: (L) Big bang is at 7th level?

A: Close enough.

Q: (L) So, when we all reach 7th level we will all blow up? We will all become one and it will all start all over again?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, that's not a pleasant thought!

A: Why? There is no time, you dwell there eternally.

A: Imagine a conversation between two people: Billy and Gene. Billy says to Gene, "There is no such thing as time." Gene says, "Oh, really? But I want to know what it is." Billy says, "But I just told you there is no such thing. Time does not exist. It is not real in any form, in any frame of reference, in any form of reality, any level of density. It simply does not exist." And, Gene says: "Oh, that's interesting. Now, again, what is this time?"

Q: (L) Is there anything you would like to tell us before we get started on this really long list of questions? I mean, something that we might need to know in advance?

A: In reality, there is no time. Perception is what gives the illusion.

I think that whenever we are raising our positive frequencies, we are more in harmony with the monistic reality (its nondual essence) and, to that extent, "we are the answer".

 

[bozadi]

I want to restate the final statement of the first session excerpt from my above post:

Q: (L) Well, when you have a pulse, you have a wave, and if you have a wave, that implies time.

A: Therein lies the crux of your 3rd density illusion. Why assume that any given aspect of the pulse is not occurring simultaneously with any other. And if any are, all are. Until you once and for all break free from the illusion of time, you will not advance.

This makes me think that there's no a singular series of big-bangs for the entire existence. I mean, I think that all densities are always functional. So, it's not that when a big-bang is about to occur in 7D, all other densities are "empty" because all souls are in 7D. This might be about the issue of logoi, each of which, Ra says, has its own set of 7 densities. Maybe "emptying of densities" before a 7D big-bang occurs in a certain logos but in not all others. So, from this point of view, I think that the "limited" (even if unimaginably huge) number of big-bangs mentioned by the C's applies for a specific logos, that is, "our logos". Just an idea, which I'm ready to correct or adjust based on new convincing inputs by the C's or anyone else. But, if there were a "limited" number of big-bangs for the entire existence, that would mean there was a "beginning" of existence, which the C's oppose strongly.

 

[Wandering Star]

My 2 cents, Ra communicated this :



Does this help ?

Yes, but why does he/she do that?

Who is he/we?

 

[sid]

He/she may be doing that to create experiences which are novel and offer opportunities for expressing creativity. One way to look at this could be, say, if you are a creator with all the power that is available, what would your next step be?

 

[axj]

This might be about the issue of logoi, each of which, Ra says, has its own set of 7 densities. Maybe "emptying of densities" before a 7D big-bang occurs in a certain logos but in not all others. So, from this point of view, I think that the "limited" (even if unimaginably huge) number of big-bangs mentioned by the C's applies for a specific logos, that is, "our logos".

Ra distinguishes between the One Creator (or All-That-Is) and the logoi of galaxies, planets and so on. The iteration of Big Bangs refers to the level of the One Creator and not the level of galactic logoi, which cannot have their own Big Bangs I think.

Does Ra really say that each galactic logos has its own set of 7 densities? Because this implies that the "return to 7D" may occur at different "times" in different galaxies. But since time does not exist, or at least our concept of time, maybe time doesn't matter.

What I found is that Ra talks about "previous octaves" of our galactic logos and that even he does not know almost anything about the previous octave or the next octave:

78.10 Questioner: Now, I realize that we are on very difficult ground, you might say, for precise terminology here, since it is totally displaced from our system of coordinates for evaluation in our present system of language.

These early Logoi that formed in the center of the galaxy wished, I assume, to create a system of experience for the One Creator. Did they then start with no previous experience or information about how to do this? This is difficult to ask.

Ra: I am Ra. At the beginning of this creation or, as you may call it, octave there were those things known which were the harvest of the preceding octave. About the preceding creation we know as little as we do of the octave to come. However, we are aware of those pieces of gathered concept which were the tools which the Creator had in the knowing of the self.

These tools were of two kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.

So if even the "history" of previous iterations/octaves of a galaxy or galactic logos is inaccessible, then by extension, the other iterations of the whole cosmos (the very large, but not infinite number of Big Bangs) may be mostly unknowable as well. Except maybe their number which the C's said would take years to write down.

 

[bozadi]

Thank you for the feedback, axj. The issue of logoi as explained by Ra is very ambigous to me. I hope that our discussions of it will help me educate myself about it.

My assertion that "Ra says all logoi have their own set of 7 densities" was based on Ra's statement "The Logos creates all densities." I don't know but I might have misinterpreted it. Will try to examine it to update my understanding.

 

[bozadi]

Yes, but why does he/she do that?

Who is he/we?

I'll speculate lightheartedly that this question is also related to the question "Why am I not having enough fun?" because the more fun we have, the more God-like we are, I believe.

A: Mirth iz goot!

Then it becomes easier to answer the bolded question in ourself because we are kind of asking ourself as the creator, "Why do I do this?" rather than "Why does he/she do that?" :))

 

[Wandering Star]

By the way, it just occurred to me that many of the questions in this section of the forum for questions for the C's have not been asked through the board in a session, however, to a greater or lesser degree they have all been answered.

Actually the C's answered the questions because...

You are the C's!

 

[heinrich]

who governs our world: the opinion of AI

i provide the link below, which does not provide new insights, but presents a nice summary. however, do we really need AI to this effect??

ChatGPT has disclosed the entities that govern this world • Soul:Ask | Unlock your mind and soul

Once ChatGPT became available to the general public, there was a surge of people eager to pose various questions to Artificial Intelligence, which Skynet

www.soulask.com