On that note and with mirth in mind, I'd say this cat, an aspect of God, knows why he/she does that. Maybe it developed an inner monologue
:Why are you doing this?
Who is the One? Who is God?
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On that note and with mirth in mind, I'd say this cat, an aspect of God, knows why he/she does that. Maybe it developed an inner monologue
Why are you doing this?
I think cats are not part of this universe, they are “Gods” from another universe, specially if they are orange.
First question I would ask is their definition of 'universe'. If we consider our universe as all the Logi together, during this 'big bang', then are previous and future 'universes' an expression of that analogy David R Hawkins used saying our lives are a film, but one we only see frame by frame. The Cs used the slide tray analogy for the 'film' of the 'universe', we each have various frames or slides to complete the journey out and back from our Logos, in zero time apparently. 'As above, so below' principle applies, and the same for the Creator, no? Each 'universe' is an expression of It's journey in self awareness... 'know thySelf'... of which we are a fractal of the original fractals in this journey, each mirroring for each other to 'quicken' the process towards enlightenment.
All the frames or slides are there in the tray, only our current density limits our awareness of the whole, per design function... connected by this illusion of disconnection or separation. Is this tray analogy true at the Creator level before this Original Thought that led to the fractalization of the Creator into the Logi? Reflections upon reflections... an obvious illusion, like the tray itself? No knowing without this illusion, right? The reflections are the 'knowings'? And since each creation is an illusion that we slowly wake up from step by step, is each universe a next step in the journey?
Another question is when someone asked a few sessions back about the Logi, and the Cs said there is the same number in each, no one then asked the followup question in what is this number of original fractals that make up each logos or galaxy? Is the number significant in some way? The One is everything, everyone, everywhere in each logos, in each universe from before any manifestation, from the original moment of self awareness, right? Before any thought, the beingness itself, right? All that we consider as this beingness is but a later expression of that original moment of Beingness... Self awareness...before any thought of creation. Isn't the creation itself but a mirror of self reflection... that was later used in principle that created 'nothingness' or the negative polarity as a means of this desire to 'know Itself'? Our mirror of self reflection? So, in essence, the Creator is the One, but before that came this awareness of beingness that led to all that followed. I think this is how it was put.... thought came later, beingness came first, not in form or function, as that is all manifestation along the desire to know Itself. Hard to imagine at our level. It's hard for us to imagine that first initial sense of being before any prompts to express it... before thought itself arose.
Maybe the concept of 'zero' would apply? But that zero is always a reference point to the center of the rest, right? This reminds me of that 'non-balloon' concept in an earlier session with the C's... same with the whole antiverse issue... again the mirror of beingness as it maintains 'balance', isn't that it?
All the frames or slides are there in the tray, only our current density limits our awareness of the whole, per design function... connected by this illusion of disconnection or separation. Is this tray analogy true at the Creator level before this Original Thought that led to the fractalization of the Creator into the Logi? Reflections upon reflections... an obvious illusion, like the tray itself? No knowing without this illusion, right? The reflections are the 'knowings'? And since each creation is an illusion that we slowly wake up from step by step, is each universe a next step in the journey?
Another question is when someone asked a few sessions back about the Logi, and the Cs said there is the same number in each, no one then asked the followup question in what is this number of original fractals that make up each logos or galaxy? Is the number significant in some way? The One is everything, everyone, everywhere in each logos, in each universe from before any manifestation, from the original moment of self awareness, right? Before any thought, the beingness itself, right? All that we consider as this beingness is but a later expression of that original moment of Beingness... Self awareness...before any thought of creation. Isn't the creation itself but a mirror of self reflection... that was later used in principle that created 'nothingness' or the negative polarity as a means of this desire to 'know Itself'? Our mirror of self reflection? So, in essence, the Creator is the One, but before that came this awareness of beingness that led to all that followed. I think this is how it was put.... thought came later, beingness came first, not in form or function, as that is all manifestation along the desire to know Itself. Hard to imagine at our level. It's hard for us to imagine that first initial sense of being before any prompts to express it... before thought itself arose.
Maybe the concept of 'zero' would apply? But that zero is always a reference point to the center of the rest, right? This reminds me of that 'non-balloon' concept in an earlier session with the C's... same with the whole antiverse issue... again the mirror of beingness as it maintains 'balance', isn't that it?
Breo
The Living Force
On that note and with mirth in mind, I'd say this cat, an aspect of God, knows why he/she does that. Maybe it developed an inner monologue
I think cats are not part of this universe, they are “Gods” from another universe, specially if they are orange.
About the Devine, mirth and cats: this is the FOTCM calendar page of this month, August 2024.
"A sense of humor properly developed, is superior to any religion so far devised." Anne Tom Robbins
Evan
The Living Force
To be fair, our cat is practically human, like she’s on the cusp of advancement. She’s a gray tabby, but she does have a lot of orange, so I’d say that tracks.I think cats are not part of this universe, they are “Gods” from another universe, specially if they are orange.
Here she is during the latest session:
Sol Logos
The Living Force
If there are many universes, what do we call that set of many universes? And if there are many universe sets, what do we call the set of all those sets? Let’s say we call the whole lot “everything”, then we have to deal with the pesky concept of “nothing”. And now there’s another set, with everything and nothing together. The same could be said for beingness and non-beingness - whenever we land on a concept of totality, like the word “universe”, then we and legitimately ask, what makes us sure there’s only one of those?
As a hypothetical, say there’s no time or space, so absolutely nothing to be aware of. This means there can be no awareness / consciousness / mind either.
idea of reflection plays a big role.
If there are many universes, we might call that collection a "multiverse." And if there are many multiverses, perhaps the set of all those sets could be called the "omniverse." But even if we call the whole lot "everything," we still have to grapple with the perplexing concept of "nothing." Now we seemingly have another set, encompassing both everything and nothing. The same could be said for beingness and non-beingness - whenever we settle on a notion of totality, like the word "universe," we can legitimately ask, what assures us there's only one?
Hypothetically, consider a state where there's no time or space, thus absolutely nothing to be aware of. This implies there can be no awareness, consciousness, or mind either. However, within this void lies the prime potential for awareness,waiting to unfold.
The idea of reflection plays a crucial role here. In this scenario, the prime potential for awareness recognizes itself,sparking a single point of self-awareness ("I know I am"). This creates a conceptual space between observer and observed ("I observe myself as being aware"), establishing two conceptual points with space between them. Now, given this event of self-reflection, there's also time, i.e., before and after.
From this single point of awareness, a connection is formed to a collective awareness, a web of interconnected conscious beings, each aware of themselves and others. Both this individual and collective awareness interact with and take action within the physical reality of space, matter, and time, shaping and being shaped by it.
This creates a type of relationship model of reality:
- The prime potential for awareness reflecting upon itself to spark the single point of awareness.
- The single point of awareness connecting to a collective awareness and acting to create the experience of a world.
- The collective awareness and individual points of awareness interacting with and taking action within physical reality
- The physical reality of space, matter, and time reflecting the actions of awareness.
This illustrates the interconnectedness and interdependence of awareness and the spacetime continuum, offering a perspective on the nature of reality. Each point in this model is not only connected but engages in relationships of reflection, connection, and action, emphasising the dynamic and co-creative nature of existence.
Sol Logos
The Living Force
Oops have my earlier draft on the same post!
truepositive
Jedi
Douglas Adams suggested something very similar to this as a 'joke' a while ago. It tied in to '42' being the answer to the ultimate question, but in that same book (or the one right after it?) he said something along the lines of 'If someone were to figure out the exact purpose and functionality of this universe, it would immediately collapse into itself and be replaced with something slightly stranger and different'.
I found that an extremely interesting notion for something most consider lighthearted sci-fi comedy.
In various other places i heard the idea that depending on 'where you are' the rules are already inherently fluid, which is a bit difficult to describe exactly by its very nature, but basically suggests anything we consider or even observe to be 'set in stone' or some kind of immutable law of nature, will automatically adjust itself slightly at the moment such an 'observation' takes place.
Describing these things by means of english and human intellect is of course lacking, but it has to be.
truepositive
Jedi
Absolute states ultimately make no philosophical sense when you consider them for a while, because essentially you end up with either complete chaos, or complete inertia. It is basically impossible to formulate any frame of reference where either of those situations 'make sense', because these concepts do not care about physics or anything similar/ related. This is the source of the 'the only constant is change' quote, which is widely misunderstood by scientists because most of them are not philosophers (most people claiming to be philoshophers arent either). They will argue that things are generally in motion, have energetical interactions and so on, but eventually unmutable laws will be found, however dont understand this is only ever 'locally' true.
Chetofloj
Jedi
When I was a child, God asked me those kinds of questions about what is God? What is it all about? In general, due to cultural influence, I associated it with joy, what was good and pleasant, but I also remember that at an early age I cursed God for childish things and of course I have continued to reveal myself to the "gods" in a certain way because I do not believe or accept What I have read about God or the gods of religions since they actually reflect behaviors of social life such as anger, revenge, forgiveness, etc.
I'm just finding out what life is like, that's all.
I'm just finding out what life is like, that's all.
axj
The Living Force
Along the same lines, Robert Heinlein's scifi comedy "JOB" goes into the same kinds of metaphysical questions we are discussing here, while taking a jab at Christian beliefs. In the book, Yahweh and the Devil are sort of the two gods of our universe, yet there is also a being who is God to them and for whom they are on the same level as humans are to them, a higher order of existence.
christx11
Jedi Master
So, by this reasoning only the physical world exists. So 6th STO Unified Thought Beings Of Light do not exist. They are entirely non-physical, not of the physical universe, but they are living consciousness energy. Then there was the recent communication with Pierre and his conveying of his experience in 5th density, but by your above definition Pierre has no awareness / consciousness / mind.
Why assume there is nothing to be aware of beyond physical existence, even as a hypothetical?
Well, making assumptions is rather normal. Yes, as the Cs said, you can 'make an ass out of U and me, but it is how we learn here in 3d STS. Like a baby, we start off with only the basic biological functions dictating things.. .slowly we learn from our environment and how to function within it. Things change, and our assumptions need change with them... basic adaptation, right. If you can't adapt, you die or suffer accordingly until you do, like a baby that learns that crying doesn't always get you the attention you feel you need at the moment.
Life here in 'purgatory', under the 'veil', make this harder but more productive for the soul level experiences... or the 'waking up' phase. A good example is a podcast I listened to today: Wrongfully Imprisoned for the Worst Crime Imaginable - Greg Kelley's Incredible Story | BSP 27 - YouTube
As for the 'unnameable' aspect of 'God' before becoming the Creator with its creation, or the potential becoming manifest... I think a good example or image is the Eye of the I... Laura used this classic image a few times, I remember David A Hawkins used it for one of his books. Imagine the Eye without the I.... There is nothing to observe until this "Eye" creates it, as a mirror of self-reflection.... in order to observe itself. Now perhaps add in that eye with its eyelid closed. Isn't that a good image of this 'God' in its unnameable phase? First not a thought, but a sensation perhaps of 'being'. It can't open the Eye until thought enters the picture of this 'being'... then the action begins and we can 'assume' the rest. It's hard for us created beings with any self-awareness to imagine existence without form of thought or deed. Consciousness needs to be created or known in some fashion first, opening the eyelid upon itself without form, and perhaps under only blind assumptions that have to be defined first and no 'sensate' appears... no sense of 'other', another concept that has to be thought and then used for the desire to 'know thyself' and from that we all replicate the same pattern of existence.... in the womb. Perhaps this is why so many late stage Adamics only enter the form after birth, it's all rather basic in experience in the early years. Of course, genetics might have to be adjusted for later use, but isn't all of this on autopilot for us in this phase? It wasn't for the Unnameable, that we can't replicate, thus the 'film' nature of our lives, and perhaps why the Cs said we all reach 7d together? All of this is a thought of the Creator. Creations can come and go in a moment at that level, sort of like an AI program processing data. It's all based on the setup and programming, no? Assuming the AI is self-learning and has infinite and eternal abilities to process data/experiences. In such a setup, 'universes' can be the same, infinite and eternal. Our 'universe' could be just a thought of a distant past, only for us within it, it is frame by frame, a film we see not in whole but in part.
That's my current impression anyway. We can only replicate so much due to the programming of the creation Itself by the various Logoi, the original fractals that are never really separate, and isn't this what the Cs have said is one of our illusions here in 3d? Since our 3d (sto and sts) phase is just a short one tacked on to the end of 2d essentially with the Adamic aspect as the school of Choice of polarity on the path of return to the our original fractal unit. Isn't this what the Cs implied? I would like to know if there is any meaning behind the number of these original fractals that make up each logos/galaxy.
It seems easy to say that the 'One' or 'God' is everything and everyone or the 'creation' as the Eye observing Itself... all us little 'i's collectively. From our self observing self to the original fractals that make up the various logoi, to the Creator or Eye Itself. It seems all of this observing is within the universe itself and not outside it, back or forward to that closed Eye as it first woke up or opened its eyelid. The unnameable is usually the name given in most cultures, no? Perhaps beyond our level of observation, but isn't that dependent upon the Logos or original fractals themselves? What to try out or push for observation in such out-breath of creation? Isn't the veil in this category of trying something different? Perhaps that is the marker of 'time' at that level? Before and after the creation of this thought form called the 'veil'? Putting this definition on it makes it perhaps a little easier to understand the many universes, which could be similar markers of new thoughts?
Life here in 'purgatory', under the 'veil', make this harder but more productive for the soul level experiences... or the 'waking up' phase. A good example is a podcast I listened to today: Wrongfully Imprisoned for the Worst Crime Imaginable - Greg Kelley's Incredible Story | BSP 27 - YouTube
As for the 'unnameable' aspect of 'God' before becoming the Creator with its creation, or the potential becoming manifest... I think a good example or image is the Eye of the I... Laura used this classic image a few times, I remember David A Hawkins used it for one of his books. Imagine the Eye without the I.... There is nothing to observe until this "Eye" creates it, as a mirror of self-reflection.... in order to observe itself. Now perhaps add in that eye with its eyelid closed. Isn't that a good image of this 'God' in its unnameable phase? First not a thought, but a sensation perhaps of 'being'. It can't open the Eye until thought enters the picture of this 'being'... then the action begins and we can 'assume' the rest. It's hard for us created beings with any self-awareness to imagine existence without form of thought or deed. Consciousness needs to be created or known in some fashion first, opening the eyelid upon itself without form, and perhaps under only blind assumptions that have to be defined first and no 'sensate' appears... no sense of 'other', another concept that has to be thought and then used for the desire to 'know thyself' and from that we all replicate the same pattern of existence.... in the womb. Perhaps this is why so many late stage Adamics only enter the form after birth, it's all rather basic in experience in the early years. Of course, genetics might have to be adjusted for later use, but isn't all of this on autopilot for us in this phase? It wasn't for the Unnameable, that we can't replicate, thus the 'film' nature of our lives, and perhaps why the Cs said we all reach 7d together? All of this is a thought of the Creator. Creations can come and go in a moment at that level, sort of like an AI program processing data. It's all based on the setup and programming, no? Assuming the AI is self-learning and has infinite and eternal abilities to process data/experiences. In such a setup, 'universes' can be the same, infinite and eternal. Our 'universe' could be just a thought of a distant past, only for us within it, it is frame by frame, a film we see not in whole but in part.
That's my current impression anyway. We can only replicate so much due to the programming of the creation Itself by the various Logoi, the original fractals that are never really separate, and isn't this what the Cs have said is one of our illusions here in 3d? Since our 3d (sto and sts) phase is just a short one tacked on to the end of 2d essentially with the Adamic aspect as the school of Choice of polarity on the path of return to the our original fractal unit. Isn't this what the Cs implied? I would like to know if there is any meaning behind the number of these original fractals that make up each logos/galaxy.
It seems easy to say that the 'One' or 'God' is everything and everyone or the 'creation' as the Eye observing Itself... all us little 'i's collectively. From our self observing self to the original fractals that make up the various logoi, to the Creator or Eye Itself. It seems all of this observing is within the universe itself and not outside it, back or forward to that closed Eye as it first woke up or opened its eyelid. The unnameable is usually the name given in most cultures, no? Perhaps beyond our level of observation, but isn't that dependent upon the Logos or original fractals themselves? What to try out or push for observation in such out-breath of creation? Isn't the veil in this category of trying something different? Perhaps that is the marker of 'time' at that level? Before and after the creation of this thought form called the 'veil'? Putting this definition on it makes it perhaps a little easier to understand the many universes, which could be similar markers of new thoughts?
