Dorothy Minder
Padawan Learner
Yes, I think we've had some confusion around defining cynics/Cynics and cynicism/Cynicism. Thank you, Approaching Infinity. And Luke, thank you for pointing that out as well.
When Ana posted the excerpt (Thanks for sharing! I read that previously but forgotten about it), I realized my error. I had assumed that most people would think of dictionary definitions, and not necessarily the Greek philosophical school. Here are two other dictionary definitions of cynic that informed what I wrote:
- A person who believes that all people are motivated by selfishness
- A person whose outlook is scornfully negative
On the other hand, if people on this board have reclaimed the title of Cynic -- seeing that it's meaning has indeed changed since Greek times -- and some of the older positive meanings, then the confusion is understandable.
Finally, I want to say again, because people seem to have seized on the "negative" parts of my posts:
Despite its problems, cynicism (little C) is a good place to start.
Now I'll add that Cynicism (big C) may indeed be farther along the path, if it means being more objective and committed to dispelling all illusions.
Melatonin, I'm sorry I seem to have sidetracked this conversation in places. I think Luke, Ana, and Anart all offered great responses to your most recent post. I'll add that you're right that this is a difficult world, and many people who say things like, "suck it up" or "stop thinking so much" etc. can't see beyond their own experience. You do, and that's wonderful. It can be very painful as well. Hang in there. You've heard many people on this thread suggest self-work, and you get do decide for yourself if you are up for it. IMO, it's worth it.
When Ana posted the excerpt (Thanks for sharing! I read that previously but forgotten about it), I realized my error. I had assumed that most people would think of dictionary definitions, and not necessarily the Greek philosophical school. Here are two other dictionary definitions of cynic that informed what I wrote:
- A person who believes that all people are motivated by selfishness
- A person whose outlook is scornfully negative
On the other hand, if people on this board have reclaimed the title of Cynic -- seeing that it's meaning has indeed changed since Greek times -- and some of the older positive meanings, then the confusion is understandable.
Finally, I want to say again, because people seem to have seized on the "negative" parts of my posts:
Despite its problems, cynicism (little C) is a good place to start.
Now I'll add that Cynicism (big C) may indeed be farther along the path, if it means being more objective and committed to dispelling all illusions.
Melatonin, I'm sorry I seem to have sidetracked this conversation in places. I think Luke, Ana, and Anart all offered great responses to your most recent post. I'll add that you're right that this is a difficult world, and many people who say things like, "suck it up" or "stop thinking so much" etc. can't see beyond their own experience. You do, and that's wonderful. It can be very painful as well. Hang in there. You've heard many people on this thread suggest self-work, and you get do decide for yourself if you are up for it. IMO, it's worth it.