Why do they feed on us??

[luke wilson]

Why do 4th density STS forces require 3rd density (negative emotional) and (sexual energy) to feed on??? What did they use to eat before the fall happened when this food source was unavailable?? Does anyone know??

Also is my understanding of what the predators mind is, correct? I have read about it but sometimes I have problems understanding what the texts mean so I just want to ask if what I took it to mean is actually what is written about it. Is it something that is essentially designed to keep us in the matrix/in a virtual prison as it were?? Also is the main reason that we are kept in this prison is so that we can just provide food to our extradensity rulers - us being the food offcourse??

Also I have been reading the wave series and I have seen Laura and the C's talk about free will. As I understand it, the reason why the 'good guys' just dont swoop down here and kick some STS butt is because we essentially made this decision, to be cattle, and thus they have to respect our decision and not interfere with our free will??? Is this correct? I am at the part of the wave when Laura starts to speak about wanderers. As I understand they are mainly 6th density souls that decide to incarnate into 3rd density. Why do they do this?? Surely given our free will decision to be as we are, they cannot do anything on this planet at this time except they themselves to become food and share in our agony but to no end meaning they wont accomplish anything except maybe spread abit of STO philosophy maybe - surely this is a high price to pay just to spread abit of philosophy so am thinking there might be other reasons??? So why are they incarnating here? Someone please help me out!

Last question. Why cant our 4th density STS rulers who have absolute control over this world just kill off people who have STO potential. What is stoping them from doing this?? Maybe they couldnt they themselves kill them but I am sure they could manipulate some 3rd density people to just go around killing off people with high STO potential. They could make a list, manipulate some poor person and this person could just go killing them off one by one until they are all dead - or maybe killing actually doesnt do anything, hmm maybe the aim is to change there soul into absolute STS and you need them alive for this so the next best thing is just to manipulate there experiences in the hope that they give up there STO ways??? Is this a correct way to explain this??

Last question. I have also in the wave read about abductions. I am a novice in this area and so I find it very very hard to understand. From what I can gather, the C's say the lizzies dont abduct people physically, they just take the soul into 4th density and do stuff to it like, put implants, look at its decomposition then make somekind of clone copy. But later on in the text, the c's said that once the soul is returned back, the clone copy seazes to exist. I AM CONFUSED. Why make a clone copy if you can't keep it. Someone help me understand this or explain it better to me please. Also, why are they interested in souls?? I thought all they want is food so why abduct souls???

Also, does this mean, OP's do not get abducted as they have no souls??

I'd appreciate if someone could take there time and try and just clarify this points for me, I just find it hard sometimes to understand some of what is being talked about in the WAVE....

 

[Psalehesost]

Why do 4th density STS forces require 3rd density (negative emotional) and (sexual energy) to feed on??? What did they use to eat before the fall happened when this food source was unavailable?? Does anyone know??

This is not the only planet; lots of other potential food sources around. Perhaps they also feed on each other - as 3D STS so does, it would make sense that 4D STS continues this "tradition". Then there must have been a time in their evolution before they became 4D, in which they fed exactly as 3D STSers here do.

Also is my understanding of what the predators mind is, correct? I have read about it but sometimes I have problems understanding what the texts mean so I just want to ask if what I took it to mean is actually what is written about it. Is it something that is essentially designed to keep us in the matrix/in a virtual prison as it were?? Also is the main reason that we are kept in this prison is so that we can just provide food to our extradensity rulers - us being the food offcourse??

Very simply put, the Predator's Mind is the sum of all that is STS in us - our STS nature (which is compunded by our traumas and our programming, things that "infect" us and keep us locked in this way of thinking and feeling). Our STS nature pulls us towards STS, as our STO nature - to the extent to which we have developed it - pulls us towards STO.

Our STS nature, in turn, has been designed, this happening during/after the fall, and thereafter strengthened through the workings of this increasingly twisted world.

Also I have been reading the wave series and I have seen Laura and the C's talk about free will. As I understand it, the reason why the 'good guys' just dont swoop down here and kick some STS butt is because we essentially made this decision, to be cattle, and thus they have to respect our decision and not interfere with our free will??? Is this correct?

They have absolutely no reason to "swoop down here and kick some STS butt", because it would not truly serve anyone. All is lessons - including our present state. Yes, at some level it is a choice, and just taking us out of this situation would abridge our free will and ruin our learning opportunity. We are as we are where we are until we learn to be otherwise - this learning being, now as always, in progress.

I am at the part of the wave when Laura starts to speak about wanderers. As I understand they are mainly 6th density souls that decide to incarnate into 3rd density. Why do they do this?? Surely given our free will decision to be as we are, they cannot do anything on this planet at this time except they themselves to become food and share in our agony but to no end meaning they wont accomplish anything except maybe spread abit of STO philosophy maybe - surely this is a high price to pay just to spread abit of philosophy so am thinking there might be other reasons??? So why are they incarnating here? Someone please help me out!

They see all, not just what they want to see - and they might well see an opportunity here. Bringing just something of an STO nature into this world might be enough to tip the scales in favor of evolution towards STO, given the choice to go in that direction, which most that are capable of graduating would take (STS graduation being rarer).

Last question. Why cant our 4th density STS rulers who have absolute control over this world just kill off people who have STO potential. What is stoping them from doing this??

Some sort of vague universal law, it seems - at least that is the idea given in The Wave, as far as I remember. For some reason, they are limited in what they can do directly in this world - but they do try to off those with serious STO potential in a slightly more indirect manner...

Maybe they couldnt they themselves kill them but I am sure they could manipulate some 3rd density people to just go around killing off people with high STO potential. They could make a list, manipulate some poor person and this person could just go killing them off one by one until they are all dead - or maybe killing actually doesnt do anything, hmm maybe the aim is to change there soul into absolute STS and you need them alive for this so the next best thing is just to manipulate there experiences in the hope that they give up there STO ways??? Is this a correct way to explain this??

Pretty much, I think. Though at those times that they do try to kill their target, they need not necessarily cause someone to murder the person - they could influence a variety of factors in the target's life and perhaps use some unwitting agents (or simply timing and distraction) to set up a lethal accident. I think this is more common. Then there is also the "suicide game", where they try to drive the person to suicide by directing all sorts of mentally distorting influences at them.

But the last option is perhaps even more common - there are many things they might wishfully think regarding how they can manipulate and "use" the person for their own ends. Sometimes they actually succeed, sometimes not.

Last question. I have also in the wave read about abductions. I am a novice in this area and so I find it very very hard to understand. From what I can gather, the C's say the lizzies dont abduct people physically, they just take the soul into 4th density and do stuff to it like, put implants, look at its decomposition then make somekind of clone copy. But later on in the text, the c's said that once the soul is returned back, the clone copy seazes to exist. I AM CONFUSED. Why make a clone copy if you can't keep it. Someone help me understand this or explain it better to me please. Also, why are they interested in souls?? I thought all they want is food so why abduct souls???

Food comes from souls living in bodies and through their experiences giving off "loosh", so the soul is a necessary component in the feeding business. As for how abduction is said to work, basically the soul copy is like a temporary file, the changes to and experiences of which are "written back" to the original.

Also, does this mean, OP's do not get abducted as they have no souls??

They might be abducted for different purposes - you'll see what this can be about if/when you read about Greenbauming in part of The Wave.


Finally, reading more, while it will give more questions, will also answer many of your old questions.

 

[agni]

Greetings luke wilson !

By no means I am an expert. It's tough to say for sure how things on 4D work being 3D STS.

Why do 4th density STS forces require 3rd density (negative emotional) and (sexual energy) to feed on??? What did they use to eat before the fall happened when this food source was unavailable?? Does anyone know??

To my current understanding, it's their choice of preference for food. Different strokes for different folks, perhaps ? It almost seems that by progression through densities, food gets more and more "fine" or refined. Plants absorb from environment, animals eat plants or each other raw, we eat both with an addition of ability to cook. So, logically, 4D might have a food preference that is different from our menu ? Why "negative energy" ? Could be the way how 4D STS likes us "cooked", preference of taste.

so I have been reading the wave series and I have seen Laura and the C's talk about free will. As I understand it, the reason why the 'good guys' just dont swoop down here and kick some STS butt is because we essentially made this decision, to be cattle, and thus they have to respect our decision and not interfere with our free will??? Is this correct?

To my understanding, if 'good guys' to swoop and kick some STS butt, it would be our butts kicking as well. Do not forget we are STS. We are in STS world, because that's exactly where we fit, unless we learn to choose otherwise. If it is our choice to be STS, STO respects our choice. And I do not think "butt kicking" is how STO operate :)

Last question. Why cant our 4th density STS rulers who have absolute control over this world just kill off people who have STO potential. What is stoping them from doing this?

I can only speculate, but it seems to be a balance issue. It seems 100% STS model would collapse on itself or self absorb.

 

[judyanderson12]

Hey, I think this is a good spot to remind myself and anyone else that part of our journey of knowledge and towards awakening is to become conscious enough to quit feeding on others' energy. As already noted, we live in a STS world and have been fully programmed to take energy from others in order to increase our own, and part of our "mission" (at least mine) is to become conscious enough to quit doing that. Just a thought.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=luke Wilson]Why cant our 4th density STS rulers who have absolute control over this world just kill off people who have STO potential.[/quote]

Hi luke,

The following may be of interest to you:

[quote author=”Precis on The Good and The Evil” by Michael Topper]The primary object of Negative stalking is to persuade through strongly influenced, but not robotic, behavior patterns, the Free Choice of the targeted CONSCIOUSNESS to align with negative higher-density existence. Because, in the Long Run, the object is the "eating" of functioning units of consciousness by the negative hierarchy, with Free Will intact! It is not good food otherwise!!!!

And this is where physics comes in again... because the CONSERVED ELEMENT OF TRUE CONSCIOUSNESS is the irreducible value of Free Will. The mind of the subject must retain Free Will which distinguishes consciousness as such.

The instant the negative polarization is chosen as a result of true prerogative of Free Will, the "subject" immediately becomes functionally a "part" of the higher-dimensional entity responsible for having induced the choice in the first place, regardless of the deceptive means employed, or the persuasive misrepresentations used in conditioning the terms through which the fateful choice is made. In other words, confusion, physical and/or emotional/mental pain, exhaustion, blackmail, and even forms of torture are legitimate modes of "persuasion." Of course, the more subtle the means used, the more value is retained. A "tortured" consciousness is the equivalent to being "overcooked." Many higher level Beings of Darkness are veritable connaisseurs! They particularly relish the subversion of those who are truly pure and strong willed![/quote]

[quote author=“Michael Topper on Stalking” by Laura]The Negative forces can demonstrate remarkably far-sighted restraint. If one group has been effectively captured and could be completely annihilated, instead, the game will be preserved with the conquerors holding their positions intact, poised to parlay their gains into even greater negative glory of "galactic conquest." This is just superior strategy, trying to include as much as can be included at once so that a comparatively larger portion of the multidimensional cosmos can be wiped out in the twinkling of an eye.[/quote]

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stalking.htm

 

[luke wilson]

Thanks for answering my questions.

To my understanding, if 'good guys' to swoop and kick some STS butt, it would be our butts kicking as well. Do not forget we are STS. We are in STS world, because that's exactly where we fit, unless we learn to choose otherwise. If it is our choice to be STS, STO respects our choice. And I do not think "butt kicking" is how STO operate

Whenever I hear this I just start getting angry... It is our choice, we made the choice.... who is we?? I did not make such a choice - why would anyone make such a choice!! I hate the fact that I am on somebodies dinner plate, I hate the fact that If I do have a soul, they can just take it at will, I hate the fact that they can just zap people with invisible waves meant to cause chemical imbalances.. I am sorry but the more I read the wave the more angry I get. I swear to God, If I ever graduate up there to 4D, when I do see a lizzie, I'll be less than friendly towards them. Infact I am just going to just say it, If they were to just stop existing, I'd be happy, a universe without lizzies is a good universe in my opinion! I am sorry if this breaks the love and light rule towards all things in creation.... Can you imagine if one of them managed to make it into 6D, OMG, the carnage that would ensue would be biblical. Thank God for whatever natural Laws that stops this from happening.

I know the C's say all is just lessons... The earth is one big school. Well it is a school run by bullies!! They are spoiling it for people who just want to learn. When you ask for help from this so called good guys, they are like 'No, no, no' we dont want to spoil your learning experience, you chose it after all.. Arghh!!! To be fair I can see why they are not swooping down here and doing some rescuing, there is nothing left to rescue. After all you said it, we are all STS! Whoopty do!

End of rant!

 

[ana]

Whenever I hear this I just start getting angry... It is our choice, we made the choice.... who is we?? I did not make such a choice - why would anyone make such a choice!!
I hate the fact that I am on somebodies dinner plate, I hate the fact that If I do have a soul, they can just take it at will, I hate the fact that they can just zap people with invisible waves meant to cause chemical imbalances.. I am sorry but the more I read the wave the more angry I get. I swear to God, If I ever graduate up there to 4D, when I do see a lizzie, I'll be less than friendly towards them. Infact I am just going to just say it, If they were to just stop existing, I'd be happy, a universe without lizzies is a good universe in my opinion! I am sorry if this breaks the love and light rule towards all things in creation.... Can you imagine if one of them managed to make it into 6D, OMG, the carnage that would ensue would be biblical. Thank God for whatever natural Laws that stops this from happening.

A good aproach when one feels this anger is to effectively use this energy for evolving purposes. Try to look at yourself as the result of innumerable conscious and unconscious choices in many different lifes, try to see how everything depend on you, on your hability to integrate in your life the knowledge you are gathering.

With time anger becomes joy, to be experienced more and more each time as you become responsible of yourself.

Everything is about changing unconscious choices for conscious ones,osit
In the end, the door by wich the malefactor enters is called ignorance, and this is what we need to change. :)

 

[luke wilson]

Right, maybe I am just not clever enough, I feel like my mind is constantly failing me at doing things that should be easy. Like I can hardly read the Wave(lately), it's like my mind cannot focus. It is getting me really really angry. I feel like I need to understand what is being talked about but I cant, It's soooo hard to focus. And this is only when I am reading the recommended articles from here, when I go back to other material it is fine. Arghh!!!! I hope they are not zapping me with invisible waves... That is soooo annoying.

Right, Ana said "A good aproach when one feels this anger is to effectively use this energy for evolving purposes."

How do I do this? How do I evolve a purpose? Anger just immobilizes me, it consumes me when it shows itself. It is something that I havent learnt to use, I put it down as soon as it shows itself - anger demands action and to act constructively out of anger is something that is extraordinarily hard for me. So for me it is unusable. In all honesty, I have only learnt to deal with anger in one way and one way only, and that is to extinguish it.

 

[Anatta1111]

Thank you so much for posting that link, that was some of the best content I've ever seen on the subject. There were literal thunderbolts in the sky as I read through it. Awesome stuff!

[quote author=luke Wilson]Why cant our 4th density STS rulers who have absolute control over this world just kill off people who have STO potential.

Hi luke,

The following may be of interest to you:

[quote author=”Precis on The Good and The Evil” by Michael Topper]The primary object of Negative stalking is to persuade through strongly influenced, but not robotic, behavior patterns, the Free Choice of the targeted CONSCIOUSNESS to align with negative higher-density existence. Because, in the Long Run, the object is the "eating" of functioning units of consciousness by the negative hierarchy, with Free Will intact! It is not good food otherwise!!!!

And this is where physics comes in again... because the CONSERVED ELEMENT OF TRUE CONSCIOUSNESS is the irreducible value of Free Will. The mind of the subject must retain Free Will which distinguishes consciousness as such.

The instant the negative polarization is chosen as a result of true prerogative of Free Will, the "subject" immediately becomes functionally a "part" of the higher-dimensional entity responsible for having induced the choice in the first place, regardless of the deceptive means employed, or the persuasive misrepresentations used in conditioning the terms through which the fateful choice is made. In other words, confusion, physical and/or emotional/mental pain, exhaustion, blackmail, and even forms of torture are legitimate modes of "persuasion." Of course, the more subtle the means used, the more value is retained. A "tortured" consciousness is the equivalent to being "overcooked." Many higher level Beings of Darkness are veritable connaisseurs! They particularly relish the subversion of those who are truly pure and strong willed![/quote]

[quote author=“Michael Topper on Stalking” by Laura]The Negative forces can demonstrate remarkably far-sighted restraint. If one group has been effectively captured and could be completely annihilated, instead, the game will be preserved with the conquerors holding their positions intact, poised to parlay their gains into even greater negative glory of "galactic conquest." This is just superior strategy, trying to include as much as can be included at once so that a comparatively larger portion of the multidimensional cosmos can be wiped out in the twinkling of an eye.[/quote]

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stalking.htm

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[1984]

Hi Anatta 1111 and welcome to the forum. It's customary here for newbies to introduce themselves in the Newbies section. No need for personal information, just a bit about yourself, your interests and maybe how you found us. :)

 

[Mrs. Peel]

How do I do this? How do I evolve a purpose? Anger just immobilizes me, it consumes me when it shows itself. It is something that I havent learnt to use, I put it down as soon as it shows itself - anger demands action and to act constructively out of anger is something that is extraordinarily hard for me. So for me it is unusable. In all honesty, I have only learnt to deal with anger in one way and one way only, and that is to extinguish it.

Hi Luke,

Are you doing E/E? That can help you work through your emotions and maybe release some of the anger. Also, have you read ISOTM? I know it's hard to focus on Work material sometimes, perhaps because our brains need to be rewired to let it sink it. :) You could use your anger constructively by maybe putting the energy into something Work related. Are you on Facebook? Do you post articles there? How about helping to promote Laura's books? There's a thread about that somewhere. There's always ways to channel that energy and put it to better use.

Keep plugging away and try not to get discouraged. There is so much to read I know, but Rome wasn't built in a day, and you will find your knowledge expanding.

 

[luke wilson]

Thanks mrs peel. I have done the EE program twice, then I had to stop because it appears I have buried emotions and for some weird reason the EE program just opened up the can. I had to stop because I didnt expect it nor did I know how to deal with them. Also of late I have had to work through some repressed emotions. It has just been an emotional week. Excuse me for being all emotional. Should get back to normal soon. I'll start the EE program again.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=luke wilson]It's soooo hard to focus. And this is only when I am reading the recommended articles from here[/quote]

The pipe breathing portion of Eriu Eolas, which can easily be done most anytime, can be helpful when focus becomes difficult since it produces simultaneously a calm and alert mental state.

 

[ana]

Right, maybe I am just not clever enough, I feel like my mind is constantly failing me at doing things that should be easy. Like I can hardly read the Wave(lately), it's like my mind cannot focus. It is getting me really really angry. I feel like I need to understand what is being talked about but I cant, It's soooo hard to focus.
And this is only when I am reading the recommended articles from here, when I go back to other material it is fine. Arghh!!!! I hope they are not zapping me with invisible waves... That is soooo annoying.

Each kind of material needs a kind of attention wich is characteristic of a state of being, also sometimes our attention is dispersed in many different things and it makes imposible for us to stay present and be able to hear and see so we can comprehend.
maybe it is better to stop whatever we are doing, and simply observe, we need to recover all our attention and that needs quietness, observation and patience.

It is something that I havent learnt to use, I put it down as soon as it shows itself - anger demands action and to act constructively out of anger is something that is extraordinarily hard for me. So for me it is unusable. In all honesty, I have only learnt to deal with anger in one way and one way only, and that is to extinguish it.

You think you have extinguished it but emotions cannot be extinguished it can only be released, repressed (with horrible consecuences for our health) or transformed. Emotions are another kind of knowledge wich results from our interaction with the enviroment and others.
Emotions are born within a specific context, now if we do feel anger and we are not able to give it an inmediate context something is happening; anger can also be the result of constantly repressed emotions, it is possible that we have learn to hide them at an early age for being in a family context wich did not facilitate their expression or maybe due to some trauma.
So first of all we need to examine our emotions.

How do I do this? How do I evolve a purpose? Anger just immobilizes me, it consumes me when it shows itself.

I would say that in order to properly know how to handle anger for our growth we need first to know how and when it manifests. There are specific context or life situations, or is it a recurrent feeling with no inmediate context?
We can use emotion for our growth(transforming the energy) when there is a specific context and situation and we can observe and understand, if not we need to release the repressed energy and the best method we now to do it is Éiriú Eolas as Mrs. Peel said.

Thanks mrs peel. I have done the EE program twice, then I had to stop because it appears I have buried emotions and for some weird reason the EE program just opened up the can. I had to stop because I didnt expect it nor did I know how to deal with them. Also of late I have had to work through some repressed emotions. It has just been an emotional week. Excuse me for being all emotional. Embarrassed Should get back to normal soon. I'll start the EE program again.

It is quite usual to experience overwhelming emotions when doing EE if there are repressed emotions, as Jerry told you, you can just do pipe breathing and the meditation portion to lower the release intensity.
By the way if you want you can visit the EE forum and share your experiences.
Do not give up :)

 

[luke wilson]

Thanks Jerry and Ana.

I will definately try and do the pipe breathing more.

I would say that in order to properly know how to handle anger for our growth we need first to know how and when it manifests. There are specific context or life situations, or is it a recurrent feeling with no inmediate context?

Yes, I know how and when it manifests. There are triggers that just make it appear and I know what they are. I have tried to self-observe when this happens. To really look into myself and see why I am feeling this way at this time in the hope of transforming the emotion or maybe even learning something about myself. If I cant, I make whatever is causing it to go away and there is no specific thing that just makes me feel almost violated than the voice of some people when they sing or make certain types of noise. I dont know why, but I cant handle it. Usually what I do is I either ask them politely to sing quietly to themselves, sometimes this just provokes someone into singing even more loudly, then I just put on earphones and listen to music that calms me down. Another common source of my anger, is anger towards the self at failing to do something that should be otherwise easy to do.

Thanks for the insight ana - need to keep in mind what you say and not forget.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, 4th density STS feed on negative emotion, does anyone know how this happens, let us say you feel sad or angry or some other negative emotion, how do they feed on it? Do they feed on it when you release it like how you explained ana? What happens if you transform it?