Why do you want to know yourself and ascend to Other density?

[Eongar]

I would throw this question, because I have a few days thinking about why I want to grow internally and aspire to something beyond 3D. I must admit that sometimes I think I'm nothing but a selfish, and sometimes I'm not. I think it would be interesting to share here what everyone wants, because sometimes it seems that no matter the reason, but perhaps more important than you might think.

Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

 

[Buddy]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I would throw this question, because I have a few days thinking about why I want to grow internally and aspire to something beyond 3D. I must admit that sometimes I think I'm nothing but a selfish, and sometimes I'm not. I think it would be interesting to share here what everyone wants, because sometimes it seems that no matter the reason, but perhaps more important than you might think.

Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I can only answer the first part of the question. I want to know myself (my machine and my Authentic self) so that Sun Absolute has, or can have, accurate information about itself at the End State. When Universe 'sees itself' through me, I prefer that It sees what is Real, whether or not that which is Real has anything to do with me, osit.

 

[seek10]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I would throw this question, because I have a few days thinking about why I want to grow internally and aspire to something beyond 3D. I must admit that sometimes I think I'm nothing but a selfish, and sometimes I'm not. I think it would be interesting to share here what everyone wants, because sometimes it seems that no matter the reason, but perhaps more important than you might think.

Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

some times, I too feel like this . why should I watch over my self and face the emotional trauma's of possible failures. Any way no body validates my inner landscape. But there is some thing in me says "try what ever you can", there is no point in turning back. last 5 yrs of 300,000 yrs, I desired it conscious or unconscious long time ago at some level., let it end either with failure or success ". The real answer is "We are NOT ONE". we are hunderads interrelated I's we have , we associate ourself's with , whose domination over physical, mental,emotional landscape over us deictates how we feel. Every thing mechanical whether one do good or bad i.e. influence of past programs. so the ups's and downs about the one's wishes are understandable and conscious choice of choosing which one to desire ( and working on ) is what decides the future. there is saying is what you have only present, neither past or future. By consciously choosing the present, you will change the past ( heal it) and future ( right foundation ).

 

[Gertrudes]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

Interesting question Eongar. My first reaction was a gut feeling of "because I just do". And trying to think of it, dig the reasons for it, is proving to be harder then I expected.

In order to answer, I will divide your question into two. The first being the whys of wanting to know oneself, and the second, the whys of wanting to ascend to 4D.

In answer to the first question, the very first thing that comes to my mind is that the alternative, not wanting to know myself shows a rather hopeless, gloomy and scary world as the result.
On the other hand, the glimpses of a world where knowing oneself is prioritised, present a world where what is Real emerges to the surfface. And what is Real is Truth, with which I choose to align myself with, at least to my conscious awareness.

To further answer I have to relate to my own past experience. That experience tells me that in each moment of growth, with each step I climb up the never ending staircase of growth, what lies ahead surpasses any hardship and creates a better world not only for myself, but for the ones surrounding me.
I've found time and time again the world to be much "bigger", to have different "colours", in a nutshell to be completely different then I'd ever expected it to be. With every step on the inner staircase of growth, I see my inner world transforming, and with that, the outer world as well.
This leads me to question: if the outer world has seemingly changed so much, and it changes every time I change, surely it results from my perception. What is then real?
The drive to continue pursuing what is real comes from something, or somewhere that I don't yet understand, so I'll leave my answer to the first question at that.

In answer to the second question, why do I want to ascend to 4D, I don't really know if that is my wish. Well, if 4D lies at the end of this cycle of growth, then I will gladly welcome it. But for me, thinking of 4D seems vague, it is only a concept, an hypotheses that might lie at the end of my path. I know I wish to grow, that is for sure, but I don't know what lies ahead. I don't know what surprises each step might bring, so I can only foresee a few steps and take it from there.

 

[mcb]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

...Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I don't think I do. I want to evolve. I think that that leads to ascension but I don't actually know that. I don't know why I want to evolve either, but I can see that I do from my actions. It is difficult to give an honest and complete answer to "why" I do anything.

 

[Carlybee]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

Hi Eongar,

Good question, I had a similar question but more about the what and not the why lol. I want to know myself because I want to learn and gain as much knowledge about my true self as possible, if we are a catalyst of information to the greater whole, I want it to see what I see in its purest form and not from any belief system or manipulated form, this takes work and a willingness to learn without prejudice.

The second part of your question for me is about learning enough about 3d to progress onto a new learning experience and I am keen to move onto this to experience a totally different perspective and continue to grow spiritually.

 

[anart]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

...Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I don't think I do. I want to evolve. I think that that leads to ascension but I don't actually know that. I don't know why I want to evolve either, but I can see that I do from my actions. It is difficult to give an honest and complete answer to "why" I do anything.

That's pretty much the point and what we mean by 'what is in you to do'. It's not a matter of 'wanting to ascend' - it is a matter of finding one's current state of existence to be lacking - in knowledge and understanding. In the pursuit of that knowledge and understanding, one changes and 'evolves' - it is merely 'in us to do' - the increase in knowledge is the motivation, the resulting effect is whatever it will be - and that we cannot know for sure from here.

Any sort of desire to ascend seems, to me, to be directly tied to ego and the false personality - working daily for knowledge and understanding as ends in themselves, however, no matter the outcome, is more of a 'soul questing'. Just my take.

 

[Eongar]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

...Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I don't think I do. I want to evolve. I think that that leads to ascension but I don't actually know that. I don't know why I want to evolve either, but I can see that I do from my actions. It is difficult to give an honest and complete answer to "why" I do anything.

I do not know why I want to know myself. I mean, I can not give a rational reason for why I seek. I feel like an impulse that leads me to that knowledge, I can not define it as wanted.

[quote author= anart] Any sort of desire to ascend seems, to me, to be directly tied to ego and the false personality - working daily for knowledge and understanding as ends in themselves, however, no matter the outcome, is more of a 'soul questing'. Just my take.
[/quote]

this issue of the climb just makes me think about it. I see several reasons, I suppose there are many more depending on the person, of course:

1 - A person who does not like the world we live, and wants to get to for a better world-a world subjectively better-.

2 - Search for immortality. Think that with the ascension is achieved immortality. Want ascend is a euphemism for "do not want to die."

3- The peace and love for the world.

4 - Just be superior to others, the ego of egos!


and more and more...

And if you find a reason to want to rationalize something that is not possible to rationalize?
The mind wants to find a reason for everything, and can sometimes be a reason not describable. Perhaps no words for it and just want to give them name is a waste of time and a trivialization of this. Anyway...

 

[Oxajil]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I do not know why I want to know myself. I mean, I can not give a rational reason for why I seek. I feel like an impulse that leads me to that knowledge, I can not define it as wanted.

Maybe the reason why you seek is simply because you are at that point on the cycle where you are "ready" to seek?

See:

Q: (L) What is it that gives some people this drive, this steamroller
effect that they are determined to get to the absolute bottom of
everything and strip away every lie until there is nothing left but the
naked truth? What is the source of this desire?

A: Wrong concept. It is simply that one is at that point on the
learning cycle. At that point, no drive is needed.

[...]


Q: (L) Is it more like a 360 degree circle, and each person is a
different point on the circle, and the whole thing cycles, and you
never change relative to the people behind and in front of you, and
the only real thing you can do to help anyone is to move the circle by
moving yourself, thereby pushing the one ahead of you up, and
pulling the one behind you into your previous place? And where you
are on the cycle determines what you do?

A: It is a single cycle, yes. There is only one learning cycle, and
where you are upon it, determines your EXPERIENCES, and vice
versa.

 

[Stevie Argyl]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I don't honestly know if my own interest was from essence or personality. I joined a bhuddist meditation group in 1980 - then started thinking I was different because I was meditating and interested in 'spiritual pursuits' etc so immediately fell into the sin of pride. (cf false personality as lampooned in Bts chapter Russia - crows peackocks and turkeys.)

It can come from essence as one see's that the world we live it has no direction other than comfort and for some mere comfort and dreams are not enough.
Or it can come from personality, one doesn't 'fit in' easily, wants to change oneself to get away from social / poitical discomfort - as if self development will make one more comfortable :) (here I am reminded of G telling NT paraphrased as : If people really knew what suffering they were letting themselves in for by following my method they would run a mile and never look back.)

 

[Joe]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I want to know myself is because it's me! It seems natural that we would want to know who and what we are. As for facing emotional traumas etc, that are likely involved in the process; it seems that that will happen anyway whether we try to know ourselves or not. And if knowing ourselves can help us to navigate those traumas better, then it seems a natural thing to want to do.

 

[bjorb]

- Hi everyone

[quote author=Eongar]Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?[/quote]

To answer that question:

At a certain moment I passed through a point where I realized that my corrupt state of being not only is but also very alive. With that I mean the amount of false personalities which I began to hear, whispering to me.

Ever tried to sit down in complete silence, close your eyes. – as means of not letting external objects in your surrounding to disturb you. – Trying to create a situation where all focus is put internal.
And than without trying to put any thoughts to it. – To just write, To just let go. – But not putting any energy into it. – With that I mean: not blocking your thoughts but like said, not giving it any energy. – To just let go.
And if you just listen, you will hear a lot of conversations. Voices which even disagree with each other. And a whole arrange of discussions.
And those aren’t voices of love or compassion. But a huge struggle for Ego.

It brought the realization that there something alien inside me, which isn’t friendly at all but very hostile.

It’s Disgusting.

- Next to that. ‘the work’ seems to be the only option to release myself from my autism. I need to know how all the parts work and how they must fit. Referring to my inner-state of being. - To stop this suffering.

About reaching 4D I wouldn’t really care less. I see there is work before me what should be done. A life living for internal reasons is soulless. But to free me from that, I must keep asking questions. I must know why I give it energy. To know the reasons why I keep feeding this disgusting ‘creature’ – And the though of releasing me from that, to become myself. Trying to achieve that, it’s the only real thing I can find comfort in.

Also to work on myself gives me the opportunity to see creation as it truly is. I hope I can help to spread that soon. It’s heartbreaking to see the world as it is.

But how can I Love others if I do not Love myself.

If I have dealt with that than I think I am ready to join FOTCM.


- The really only thing what interest me about reaching 4D is at it seems a possibility of replacing the current ‘Gods’ It will stop 4STS of it’s ownership of Earth. –And hopefully that will stop the pain this World is ‘cursed’ into. – And to begin ‘Paradise’ Where Soul-growth for everyone appears to be more of a possibility.

 

[mcb]

Today I did something I rarely do these days and went to church. I belong to a Unitarian Universalist congregation that offers a "face to face" community without dictating anything about what I should believe or what spiritual path I should follow. As sometimes happens, we sang something today that seems to capture how I feel about this subject:

It's In Everyone Of Us

It's in every one of us to be wise,
Find your heart open up both your eyes.
We can all know everything without ever knowing why.
It's in every one of us by and by.
-- David Pomeranz

 

[dannybananny]

Why do you want to know yourself and ascend to Other density?

When I started to change that was something I knew had to be done. I had rough period in life, training and studying, going out, drinking with friends and I felt completely empty inside, lonely, feeling depressed, helpless, not knowing where I'am going, suffering, something needed to be changed. One day after i decided to change and stop current stream of life( year and half ago) I started crying for 30 minutes for all the things I've done to others and others did to me, decided to stop playing that old game because it wasn't me. After a while I started meditation, work on myself, and find some measure of peace and in the end C's work and I knew there is some truth in it. I just feel that working on myself, doing good things is what I'am, I felt fullness that i didn't felt for long time. It was a right thing to do for me, and living in this moment helps get rid of all that thoughts and feelings that waste your energy(and yes there is still a everyday struggle, and one thing i learned is to never give up because alternative is suffering, and for those people who think that the struggle will end in 4D or somewhere else, it doesn't end never, life is a fight like it or not! ) In the end why not be the best you can be, use your hearth, body and mind in ways you can never imagine! And if I don't know myself logical thing would be to find myself because that's me and i don't want to say I want out(it did went through my mind), better to say I want to learn everything there is in these world. If I could choose again life in some paradise like planet or earth I would choose earth because , always knew i had to go hard way because it's right way, and the real goal is to be positive in negative world and i wouldn't learn nothing in other way! It?s on us to do what we got to do.

 

[Bernhard]

Years ago when I was dealing with major depressions and had a hard time to "live life" in "official culture", where my inner state conflicted with what I was "supposed" to be, do and want, I came to the realization that "I can not live with myself like this". That opened the door to the questions "who am I?" and "what is life about?" Nothing what I learned in school had me prepared to deal with my inner struggle and "dealing with life". On the contrary what I was told and taught that was supposed to give me happiness and fulfillment didn't at all. That's when I started to question everything and all I wanted to was understand is myself.

The drive within is me is ( or seems to be) mostly to be my true self and align myself with the "Higher Will" (higher self). I also feel there this drive (seeking truth within and without) is seems to come from a soul level and not and ego-desire, osit.

A friend of mine asked me what do I want out of live? I said, my intention is on truth, knowledge, love and healing, learning the lessons I need to learn in order to be my true self.

In regards to ascending to other density, there are times when I'm fed up with 3D and wished I could just "move on", but I also realize when I feel this way that there is a lesson I need to learn and accept the moment for what it is and do the work I'm here to do in order to learn it. When I see it from that perspective I really enjoy to be here in this time/space constimuum and although some lessons are pretty heavy, it also feels like it is "fun" to learn what I need to learn because it helps me to get to know myself better and follow my true self. I also understand that as long as I do that (accept and learn the lessons in 3D) that I will naturally "evolve" to a higher state(density) whenever I'm ready. At least that's how I see it as of now....