Why do you want to know yourself and ascend to Other density?
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Eongar
Dagobah Resident
Guardian said:
This comment has reminded me what it says in Tertium Organum of Ouspensky on the role of life. He says the role of men is Knowledge. It is like what you say, Guardian: instinctive. But of course, the human instinct that has boarded up, and that is part of the work, unpaver the wall not let known.
agni
Dagobah Resident
Álvaro said:
For me, I want to know myself because I am curious, if no learning occurs I get bored pretty fast. When I am bored, I feel like I either want to sleep or do something. Sleep is boring. Most of the time when I do something it's selfish, vampiristic & mechanical, did I mention I find it boring too ? So, what does it leave me with ? I see no other choice so far but to know self, in order to do something different from boring stuff.
cubbex
The Living Force
Because is what I am, It's what I can give to the universe
And its more like, cure myself because I have been in so much pain
And maybe help others, it's natural in me, I discovered this when I began to read the wave like some kind of "I feel that something interesting is in this book" and then the big changes came
and I fallow my life in that way because that's the best info I have about life, about others, so...
And its more like, cure myself because I have been in so much pain
And maybe help others, it's natural in me, I discovered this when I began to read the wave like some kind of "I feel that something interesting is in this book" and then the big changes came
and I fallow my life in that way because that's the best info I have about life, about others, so...
Smallwood
Jedi Master
This may sound childish or from the ego but I want to know myself because only then I know I will be if not happy then atleast on the road to eventual happiness. I can see that I've been doing certain psychologically unhealthy things that have lead me to the point of psychosis and now I want to know what they are and re-wire my brain for something better. I for some time obsessed about getting into 4D, but now my main goal in life is not to be soul-smashed. 3D probably isn't all bad when you've got some street smarts, that I can tell from looking at some of the elder member's posts.
Al Today
The Living Force
Excellent question:
What I do know is that as far back as I can remember,,, wayyy back as far as I can remember, "something" from within keeps me "feeling inside" that there IS something more that being physically born, living a life, and then dying. I "feel" that there is "something" more to this life I live that continues on after physical death. Theories discussed within this forum, the like minded members, the voluminous associated references that have been and are to be discovered seem to be the best theory going on that I have come across. I think I am not alone and that somehow different entities of life are somehow connected. I selfishly want to find out the "real" story. I desire to learn. Curiosity demands I search if these thoughts are true. Why? I do not KNOW why but I am driven to try and find out...
What I do know is that as far back as I can remember,,, wayyy back as far as I can remember, "something" from within keeps me "feeling inside" that there IS something more that being physically born, living a life, and then dying. I "feel" that there is "something" more to this life I live that continues on after physical death. Theories discussed within this forum, the like minded members, the voluminous associated references that have been and are to be discovered seem to be the best theory going on that I have come across. I think I am not alone and that somehow different entities of life are somehow connected. I selfishly want to find out the "real" story. I desire to learn. Curiosity demands I search if these thoughts are true. Why? I do not KNOW why but I am driven to try and find out...
Marcus-Aurelius
Jedi Master
To reply to the first part of the question, I will take some words I used to include in my prayers some time ago: to be able to do the exact right thing, at the right moment, at the right place. I think it's similar to what someone else refered to as "to give to each situation what it deserves" somewhere in this forum. And back at that time, I realized that to be able to do so, I would need to see each situation as it exactly is and for some reason, I had the remote feeling that this was not the case, that something was missing. I still have this feeling, though I now think that I have a better understanding of what it is since joining this forum. I came to understand that what was missing was self-knowledge. How could I pretend to see the world objectively without an exact knowledge of myself? So I have no other choice than to strive for self-knowledge.
As for ascending to other density, I think I have never actively desired it. My current understanding seems to point it to be a natural process, taking place when one is ready, "at the right time". ;)
As for ascending to other density, I think I have never actively desired it. My current understanding seems to point it to be a natural process, taking place when one is ready, "at the right time". ;)
mocachapeau
Dagobah Resident
That's a tough one to answer.
I guess it was a combination of experiences that led me to realize some very important things. The first was that I had never really put any thought into why I did anything that I did. The second was that, due to the first realization, I was quite often hurting myself, and others. And the third was, as a result of researching 9/11 in great detail, that the world I live in is not at all what I thought it was. So all together, I had a lot of questions for which I really wanted answers.
Many years ago, 15 or 20 maybe, a friend of mine described me as "a glutton for pleasure". Today, after all this research, I know how ridiculously true that was, and this understanding formed what I think is the major reason for my desire to evolve, know myself and reach 4D. I am SICK of being a slave to this body and all the physical/material desires that come with it. I want out!
I've already made quite a bit of progress with that problem here in 3D, mainly due to the Work. And I don't think I could have learned to be aware of this lesson (which I am still in the process of learning) if I had not been the person I am. It's like the "being-hit-over-the-head-with-the-lesson" way of learning. But I would like to be able to concentrate on doing what's important without all these crazy distractions. I do believe that 4D STO is the state I want to reach. Problem is, I also believe that I have to really learn this lesson, here and now, to get there.
So I keep plugging at it.
I guess it was a combination of experiences that led me to realize some very important things. The first was that I had never really put any thought into why I did anything that I did. The second was that, due to the first realization, I was quite often hurting myself, and others. And the third was, as a result of researching 9/11 in great detail, that the world I live in is not at all what I thought it was. So all together, I had a lot of questions for which I really wanted answers.
Many years ago, 15 or 20 maybe, a friend of mine described me as "a glutton for pleasure". Today, after all this research, I know how ridiculously true that was, and this understanding formed what I think is the major reason for my desire to evolve, know myself and reach 4D. I am SICK of being a slave to this body and all the physical/material desires that come with it. I want out!
I've already made quite a bit of progress with that problem here in 3D, mainly due to the Work. And I don't think I could have learned to be aware of this lesson (which I am still in the process of learning) if I had not been the person I am. It's like the "being-hit-over-the-head-with-the-lesson" way of learning. But I would like to be able to concentrate on doing what's important without all these crazy distractions. I do believe that 4D STO is the state I want to reach. Problem is, I also believe that I have to really learn this lesson, here and now, to get there.
So I keep plugging at it.
Andrew M.
Padawan Learner
I've lived most of this life in negativity, and basically i feel my soul is tired of bearing it, my generation wasn't as simple or easy as the last and i realize the next generation is even worse off. Naturally from my negative point of view i don't see anything good coming from the future. However, the only solid goal i have in this life is to make a difference for the better, to help who will let me help them, and pray that i don't give in to being intolerant and ignorant too much. My greatest dream is a 'promise land' in the purest sense of the term, though i know this will never happen in this life time the possibility is always there and I'm not sure i want to ascend to the next level so to say, i don't know that I'm ready to bear a whole new level of negativity to try and make a difference for the better there when i feel so powerless and even uncaring in this level here. I want to know myself because i feel the more that i do, the more "damage" i can do in the area of making an impact in this brick wall that i see myself faced with. I don't think I'm ready because I'm trying to do this all alone it seems, i have trust issues because people have never given me much reason to trust them with anything, not even something as seemingly simple as friendship. Everyone is programmed to be out on their own course do their own thing and people forget that we have to work together to get anywhere. Accepted behavior these days is merely a strong current sucking you in, most fight the current, i try to stay out of the water. I'll go to the next level when I'm ready to handle it, not a moment sooner, i can't say i really want to but more that soon enough, I'll need to, so i will.
Nawd
Dagobah Resident
For me, it's always just been something I *had* to do. That is, when it comes to learning to learn knowledge. I never really 'strived' for it, it's something that hit me at a very young age. "Something is wrong with this world. What is it and why am I here?" Maybe it is because I had a really painful childhood. Learning may have began as sort of a theropy for me, wondering why I suffered, then why other people suffered. It built slowly, very very slowly from there. This *need* to learn, this unknown 'goal' to learn as much as possible. If that includes asending or what-not to 4D a good side effect. If not, still, it has been worth it thus far. Even with all of the suffering *because* I've needed to learn. Saddly I've hurt others because of this need to research, and for that I hope my future actions can be sufficent enough for them to know it wasn't because of them, but because they tended to not like my studies. Since then, the most valuable lesson I've learned is to keep up the practice of Stratigic Enclosement. Thanks to this site, I've learn so much more than I would have on my own.
...In a nut shell.
Great questions!
...In a nut shell.
Great questions!
Gonzo
The Living Force
Hi, Álvaro.
The question, "Why do you want to know yourself and ascend to Other density?"
Makes the assumption that members want to "ascend to Other density".
I, for one, try not to concern myself with the idea of whether or not the next density awaits me. If it is appropriate for my level of soul development to "ascend", then so be it.
I am, however, concerned with knowing myself, and all that surrounds me too.
I have an innate drive to learn and, to understand what surrounds me, I must first understand myself, my programs and filters.
I feel that learning is aligned with creativity and expansion while not learning is a slide into entropy.
I feel the suffering of those around me and it hurts me tremendously. If I cannot stop the suffering, then I must learn from it. I cannot ignore it. My heart won't let me. I may resist at times when tired from the struggle, but ultimately the cries of my fellow humans becomes so deafening that I must do something.
And so I learn and hopefully grow.
Gonzo
The question, "Why do you want to know yourself and ascend to Other density?"
Makes the assumption that members want to "ascend to Other density".
I, for one, try not to concern myself with the idea of whether or not the next density awaits me. If it is appropriate for my level of soul development to "ascend", then so be it.
I am, however, concerned with knowing myself, and all that surrounds me too.
I have an innate drive to learn and, to understand what surrounds me, I must first understand myself, my programs and filters.
I feel that learning is aligned with creativity and expansion while not learning is a slide into entropy.
I feel the suffering of those around me and it hurts me tremendously. If I cannot stop the suffering, then I must learn from it. I cannot ignore it. My heart won't let me. I may resist at times when tired from the struggle, but ultimately the cries of my fellow humans becomes so deafening that I must do something.
And so I learn and hopefully grow.
Gonzo
