Why do you want to know yourself and ascend to Other density?

[jordifs]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

This is an interesting topic. I think that anart comments are extremely precise.

That's pretty much the point and what we mean by 'what is in you to do'. It's not a matter of 'wanting to ascend' - it is a matter of finding one's current state of existence to be lacking - in knowledge and understanding. In the pursuit of that knowledge and understanding, one changes and 'evolves' - it is merely 'in us to do' - the increase in knowledge is the motivation, the resulting effect is whatever it will be - and that we cannot know for sure from here.
Any sort of desire to ascend seems, to me, to be directly tied to ego and the false personality - working daily for knowledge and understanding as ends in themselves, however, no matter the outcome, is more of a 'soul questing'. Just my take.

When I think on living, on collaborating, on building, I realise very few things can be achieved alone.
When I think on STS/STO concepts, I do believe STO is the right choice. Moreover I feel it is the home I belong to.
Then thinking in 3D terms I do find a sample on the 'Borg' community (Star Strek science fiction series).
It presents a similar concept: a hive. All drones connected sharing resources, thoughts, memories, information, knowledge, everything.
In this science fiction scenario it looks sad to 'loose individuality' when an individual is 'assimilated' by this group.

The issue here is that I want to return home: STO.
It looks like 4D is the only way to really be STO.
Then I know the answer to your question: evolve to 4D is a requirement.

I believe this wish is not arised on my ego.
I do not know when will be the event, how to achieve it. Moreover I face each day with real uncertainty.
An now I also face each day with joy.

 

[Mari]

Hi!
Great topic, I must say!

First, English is not my mother tongue so be gentle... :)

To answer first part of the question;
well, as most of you saw from the young age that there is something going on in this world and it is not what eyes can see.
It came to me that this way is no longer good enough for me, pretty much like most of the answers here; this drinking, and other stuff, and I felt generally wrong and felt like: This is not happening, why is this happening, who is to blame, who am I, why am I here, etc.
From learning and reading, one led to another, from Z.Sitchin and other to C's, I've grown easily. So, it's obviously that you should change yourself, so you can grow and see this life in the right light and know thyself as wonderful creatures as we all are. So to change and understand the world, you should change and understand thyself. OK, we all know that!
That is why I want to know myself: to see all the beauty of being, and to go trough this experience with more joy and understanding. And to take off my genetic, programming, and see with my own eyes, with my pure soul.

And then the answer to the second part of the question is answered for itself: after you master this world/life and really comprehend/perceive your inner self, then ascending to other density is natural evolution.

:)

 

[Alada]

Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

As others have mentioned, these are two separate things, the latter may only be a theory, who knows? So it may be possible, maybe not. If it is I do not know that it is possible for me, so let that one be and work with what we have.

Why the wish to know myself? Because I see that I do not know myself, do not know so much about life. So I wish to learn, to grow, to play my part consciously as well as I can and to share whatever may come. The alternative is sleep, who benefits from that?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

As others have mentioned, these are two separate things, the latter may only be a theory, who knows? So it may be possible, maybe not. If it is I do not know that it is possible for me, so let that one be and work with what we have.

Why the wish to know myself? Because I see that I do not know myself, do not know so much about life. So I wish to learn, to grow, to play my part consciously as well as I can and to share whatever may come. The alternative is sleep, who benefits from that?

Yep. In me, there is one who wants and desires to "ascend" to a higher density. But there is also another who isn't concerned with those kinds of things. The other part merely wishes to observe, to see all for what it is, including the self. Because that is its nature, having a taste for things that are true!

 

[mcb]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

...That's pretty much the point and what we mean by 'what is in you to do'. It's not a matter of 'wanting to ascend' - it is a matter of finding one's current state of existence to be lacking - in knowledge and understanding. In the pursuit of that knowledge and understanding, one changes and 'evolves' - it is merely 'in us to do' - the increase in knowledge is the motivation, the resulting effect is whatever it will be - and that we cannot know for sure from here....

It seems to be in everything to do. 3D, 2D, 1D. To evolve seems to be in everything everywhere. At least everywhere I look there seems to be that recurring theme. It often appears as "reproduction," but it is imperfect reproduction that can produce new versions of things. At one time I would not have thought this to happen so much at first density, but the more I read and learn, the more I realize that it does.

Evolution in each observable density (1-2-3) has a different character, and higher density builds upon lower density "learning." That to me is a clue that what I am doing relates to higher densities as well. Nothing I am saying is new here, but it is interesting that one can actually observe the processes involved, either directly (as with observing myself or my 2D feline family member here that is standing with her rear in front of my monitor to command my attention) or indirectly (as with studying scientific topics). It is not necessary to work purely from belief.

I find that for learning purposes it can be very useful to ask "why," but I think that it does no good to force an answer. My cat doesn't understand why I do most of what I do, and it is likely that there are many things that I am not equipped to understand either.

 

[theos]

Interesting questions.

Why do I want to know myself? I guess because I've been living in this sack for my whole life and I want to know how to reach optimal functioning in this 3d world. I want to know why I am the way I am and furthermore, who am I anyway? That's the best answer I can think of for now except to say that I stumbled upon this place of knowledge, liked what I saw and didn't want to leave. Plus, it's "fun".

Why do I want to ascend to other density? I'm not too sure that I do. All I know is that I want to learn myself and 3d at this point. When the wave comes I can only hope that I'm not spiritually blown to smithereens by the hyperkinetic sensate of it all but if I am would I know it? If I end up in 4d would I remember what it was like to be in 3d? 4d is something I can't even wrap my mind around.

 

[fast81]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

Any sort of desire to ascend seems, to me, to be directly tied to ego and the false personality - working daily for knowledge and understanding as ends in themselves, however, no matter the outcome, is more of a 'soul questing'. Just my take.

It is actually the C's take, as you must know from reading the Wave online:

Q: (L) But what if your passion is for knowledge?
A: That is not passion, it is soul questing.

 

[anart]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

Any sort of desire to ascend seems, to me, to be directly tied to ego and the false personality - working daily for knowledge and understanding as ends in themselves, however, no matter the outcome, is more of a 'soul questing'. Just my take.

It is actually the C's take, as you must know from reading the Wave online:

Q: (L) But what if your passion is for knowledge?
A: That is not passion, it is soul questing.

Yep, which was my point. This is the Cassiopaean forum, so the Wave is one of the core works from which we conduct our discussions and learning, along with an always expanding list of other relevant texts. The Wave is not only available online, it is available in printed and expanded form from Red Pill Press.

Since this if your first post to the forum, please take a moment to introduce yourself in the newbies section to let us know how you found us and what material you are familiar with.

 

[obyvatel]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I want to know myself is because it's me! It seems natural that we would want to know who and what we are.

That is a statement that accurately describes my personal answer to the first question. This desire to understand myself has pretty much been there - a small voice, a little glimmer of light amidst all the usual lies, emotional trauma, self-importance etc. I can find no reason why it exists but it does; and it is this desire that I have held on most dearly at times of great turnmoil and stress.
I have no idea if I will graduate to a higher level or not. At the end of the day, it is not the question that bothers me too much. What does concern me is that I use the opportunity of this life to learn as much about myself and the world at large, and pray to the DCM that some day I reach the stage where "I may give bread to others" and not fall prey to self-importance.

[quote author=jordifs]
Then thinking in 3D terms I do find a sample on the 'Borg' community (Star Strek science fiction series).
It presents a similar concept: a hive. All drones connected sharing resources, thoughts, memories, information, knowledge, everything.
In this science fiction scenario it looks sad to 'loose individuality' when an individual is 'assimilated' by this group.
[/quote]
In this context of losing individuality and a hive mind, I have found Illion's account in Darkness Over Tibet very interesting. This too is fiction just like Start Trek is but here is the related (paraphrased) quote. The setting is where Illion is having a nightmare while in the Underground City.
[quote author=Illion in Darkness Over Tibet pg 120-121]
Hundreds of white angels with a slight reddish touch on their bright garments and having beautiful but dismal eyes - all of them having the same face - advanced threateningly, their white claws all aimed at my heart as if they were determined to snatch something hidden in it. When this dreadful army approached once more, the boys dressed in white advanced to protect me. Their faces had an individual touch, each boy having a facial expression entirely different from the other. ... The demons however had no individual expression in their faces. They were all alike. There was no personality about them. They seemed to mechanically carry out the behests of someone else. The boys seemed to possess strong individualities. This very strong individuality was their best defence against the large army of spiritual dummies.
[/quote]
In my mind, the Borg community of Star Trek represents this mechanical robotic forces of darkness - belonging to the STS hierarchy in this context. My imagination of a STO reality is where entities are united in their purpose in upholding certain principles, and yet each entity having their own unique individuality - like the boys in white described above in Illion's account. That is my personal take on the possible composition of a STO esoteric circle.
fwiw

 

[Alada]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

In my mind, the Borg community of Star Trek represents this mechanical robotic forces of darkness - belonging to the STS hierarchy in this context. My imagination of a STO reality is where entities are united in their purpose in upholding certain principles, and yet each entity having their own unique individuality - like the boys in white described above in Illion's account. That is my personal take on the possible composition of a STO esoteric circle.
fwiw

Yes, the Borg hive mind is a warped kind of 'perfection', well maybe its perfect if you want to be a perfect machine. I'd agree with your thoughts above, seems what helps a potential STO group best is knowledge and admission of its 'imperfections'. Everyone has a set of unique learning experiences to bring to the table, full of mistakes and errors, bad decisions, muck-ups and the rest. Its all of that knowledge combined that makes a 'perfect' whole I think. Whereas the Borg version seeks to keep all that in the dark, erasing the past rather than acknowledging and healing it as a way to prepare for the future.

 

[Eongar]

Yes, the Borg hive mind is a warped kind of 'perfection', well maybe its perfect if you want to be a perfect machine. I'd agree with your thoughts above, seems what helps a potential STO group best is knowledge and admission of its 'imperfections'. Everyone has a set of unique learning experiences to bring to the table, full of mistakes and errors, bad decisions, muck-ups and the rest. Its all of that knowledge combined that makes a 'perfect' whole I think. Whereas the Borg version seeks to keep all that in the dark, erasing the past rather than acknowledging and healing it as a way to prepare for the future.

Humility is essential. Everything we have done is part of us and we should not hide that

 

[ginebra]

For me it was not an intentional thing, I think that in some way I was led towars it,although I was not aware.
In retrospect, a depression I went trough was determinant in my searching process, leading me to the search
for something to ease those dark days and give some sense to my life. It all started with yoga sessions, and
without realizing here,I am.

 

[T.C.]

Why do you want want to know himself

If you have an aim, then you find it is difficult to achieve it because you have no self control. So to gain self control you have to learn about the self and come to know the self. Then you begin to see what parts of you prevent you from achieving your aim and you can struggle against them.

 

[Faith]

I allways say to myself: You have to know your tools before you can use them properly. I want to use these tools to express what's in myself, whatever that might be.

Sometimes 'learning' feels like adventure: Don't matter what you are searching: true love, the holy grail, the lost ark or the hidden reason for your unbalance, when the adventurer enters the 'forest of no return' -- he must loose something before he can find something. And in every good adventure tale, the one who enters the jungle is not the same as the one who lefts it -- that's why it is called 'the forest of no return'. If nothing is learned, nothing is earned: there would be no character development and it would be quite a boring story, wouldn't it?

So I want to know myself just because I like the good old adventure tails. Ascend to Another density? That is what the legend says ;)

 

[Acaja]

Re: Why do you want want to know himself and ascend to Other density?

I do not know why I want to know myself. I mean, I can not give a rational reason for why I seek. I feel like an impulse that leads me to that knowledge, I can not define it as wanted.

Maybe the reason why you seek is simply because you are at that point on the cycle where you are "ready" to seek?

I totally agree with thispoint of view, since I've come to realize everything that has happened to me as led me to this particular state. It's like the universe put me to bed for a 20 years sleep_like period before it suddenly told me " okay now, boy, time to wake up and get ready for school"




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