"With you by my side. . . . ."

I think the way you view a "saying" - what you think it implies has alot to do with your past experience, how you were raised and your beliefs. Could mean different thing to different people...

Side could mean standing right next to me or you could think of it as sidekick

Or It could mean by my side in life - be by my side through life and that would mean they are both side by side...not just you are at my side but if you are at my side I am at yours
 
True loyalty doesnt exist.
How many times have i heard about parents that have been pushed aside by their own children in choice of a women (or man) that treats them like dirt.
People arent aware enough of their own behaviour to be trustworthy or loyal.

The word love is unnecessary aswell, yet is used so often.
Words like LOVE (which are given such positive meanings) gloss over the real reasons people behave and act the way they do - which is mainly for selfish reasons, like ego boost, and personal gain.
People often say "i cant explain what love means to me" - thats because it doesnt exist, or they are scared that if they analysed it a deeper level and what they were really feeling .... it wouldnt amount too much. Probably mostly an narcasstic illusion they had created.

Just to say that i dont think im cynical.
I like the word 'care', and that does exist. And people do un-selfishly care for others, and thats an amazing gift to give to someone.

Edited - Spellings.
 
Menna said:
Love to me is closely related to understanding

This is how I think about it too, Menna.

As the Cs have said, Love is Knowledge (I think verbatim would be "Love is Light is Knowledge"). It makes sense to me, how can you love something you don't know? Following this reasoning, the more you know something or someone, the more you're able to objectively love it/her/him.

Regarding understanding vs. knowledge, if I remember correctly Gurdjieff explains understanding as knowing something with your whole being. So understanding would thus be very closely related to love.
 
Menna said:
I think the way you view a "saying" - what you think it implies has alot to do with your past experience, how you were raised and your beliefs. Could mean different thing to different people...

Side could mean standing right next to me or you could think of it as sidekick
Or It could mean by my side in life - be by my side through life and that would mean they are both side by side...not just you are at my side but if you are at my side I am at yours
:P So its like "with you by my sidekick..." ???? as giving a kick or as a partner?

melatonin said:
Nah, its real, is obviously and explained in other threads the meaning of love. And really you could describe it as you want. And then, it depends to in the person's situation. You wont get loyalty from everybody and you won't get that everyone do what you want.

:cool2: And indeed real love exist but do you want to pay what it cost??? I mean, it sounds for me you are kind of resentful.

In the social programming as I see, yes, the supposedly love is very narcissistic, and just fills the ego, feed your vanity... and basically is an excuse for a physical attraction, and because basing on physical attraction, you are not basing on qualities, so you may find on the other, that lacks of loyalty.
 
When I think of Laura and Ark "with you by my side..." (in a mutual way) - I think it is a beautiful thing.
 
Rhiannon said:
When I think of Laura and Ark "with you by my side..." (in a mutual way) - I think it is a beautiful thing.

Me to, and not just them, there are other pairs of humans helping in an incredible and symbiotic way to each other. That's what I said that there exist loyalty and real love.
 
cubbex - Thats fine. If you think my view is based on my being resentful thats cool. Maybe i am. People sure do like to seem (on the outside) that they mean alot to someone (self importance), but when the crap hits the fan you find out someones true colours.
Often people never have to test another person to show their true colours - so really its all guesswork to know how someone really feels.

Another example = The husband whos worked all his life, suddenly gets hit by serious illness, and his 'loyal' wife leaves him.
I really have zero faith/expectation in human beings, and im personally far more comfortable this way.

If i tried defining love it would be un-conditional care & self sacrifice for any other living being. (animal or human)
It definitely wouldnt be 2 human beings (taking and giving) in a complicated relationship. Theres far too much going off to know what exactually is underneath it all. Money , sex, power, etc etc.

Guardian - So true. Dogs are amazing animals, and a gift to humans in my opinion.
 
Why do you only give these horrible examples there are also examples on the other side of the spectrum - for example my parents met in high school are now married 30 years. There is good and bad with everything. How about if you had a dog for 10 years and you left the door open and it ran away.

Be yourself if you meet someone you get along with be yourself with them if it works out great if not its not a reflection on you. Deal with each situation the way you would want to be treated...There are horror stories in every relationship and every marriage
 
cubbex said:
Rhiannon said:
When I think of Laura and Ark "with you by my side..." (in a mutual way) - think it is a beautiful thingI.

Me to, and not just them, there are other pairs of humans helping in an incredible and symbiotic way to each other. That's what I said that there exist loyalty and real love.

Yeah me to, I think it's a beautifully amazing thing to find your human companion! I hope I find it some day :)
 
Menna - Your missing what im saying. Probably because im pretty uneducated and my english isnt up to standard.

When did i say that positive relationships didnt exist? I didnt.
That include allsorts of qualities like care.
I did say that i think its hard for people to know how they really feel with so many other things involved in their relationship.

I said that the word love was un-nessercary and (in my opinion) when someone loves something its describing how something makes THEM feel.
Its selfish.
"I love you, you make me feel so good".

Edited - Spellings.
 
And I never said you said that possitive relationships didn't exist...I noticed all your examples were at one end of the spectrum and I was pointing out the other side to give a different perspective...negative and positive is subjective
 
It's funny...i was away for the weekend driving a moving truck. The person that picked me up from the airport said...I was worried because you updated me then I didn't hear from you for a while...I was worried that you got into an accident and would I be able to take care of you - then I said so you worry selfishly
 
[quote author=Menna]Be yourself if you meet someone you get along with[/quote]

It’s my experience that this is not enough, woefully inadequate even.

Marriage teaches that you need to be more than yourself, and all preconceived notions about what love is or should be is best left at the door.

Many couples stay together because they need each other, but need is a far cry from love.

Just a note: my CPU and printer have been together for quite some time and function wonderfully together - they’re completely compatible.

Edited for grammer.
 
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