"With you by my side. . . . ."

melatonin said:
I really have zero faith/expectation in human beings, and im personally far more comfortable this way.

I hear ya, personally, I have NO expectations at all that do not directly involve my bodily functions...and even a few of those are starting to get a bit iffy. Expectations are just another way of wishing for what you want...or think you want until you get it.
 
True loyalty doesnt exist.

Sure it does...if you've got a dog Wink

Guardian - So true. Dogs are amazing animals, and a gift to humans in my opinion.

I so agree. My own little pup, and all of my animal companions, have been a gift to me. My dogs, as 'predator animals' and my horses as 'prey animals', have taught me so much. It would take an entire thread to share those lessons. Or maybe my interpretations of those lessons.

It is great that I can take out the trash, or I can come home from a 12 hr shift, and my pup is just as happy to see me! That when I go to bed on a cold night there she is cuddling next to me under the covers, keeping me warm. When I cry, she is there to lick my tears. When I really could use a walk, she is there to nudge me to the door, and will just plop down in the grass, sunbathing, as if to say 'Mom just relax with me in the sunlight'. Or to watch her joy in chasing a lizard, or a squirrel up a tree, to watch it turn upside down at a safe distance, and say 'ha ha you can't jump this high'!!

They are great friends and companions. And I have no doubt that they truly love us in their own way. I also think that we have a responsibility to them, not only in the physical as caretakers, but also in the realm of the 'heart' to accept their expression of love and to reciprocate.

But I think that maybe, as we make our journey through the densities, the definition of 'love' expands. And it may include what we have been gifted to experience from our 2D animal companions , and it may also include so many other concepts that we may never truly understand it in it's entirety in this lifetime. And maybe that is why we have been fed so many lies, and fantasy definitions of 'love' over the course of of our lives. Because understanding 'what is love' may be pivotal to our spiritual evolution. IE: Romantic Love, Platonic Love, Compassionate Love, Maternal Love, Sexual Love (maybe Lust), Religious Love (which varies according to the religion), etc.

Personally, I really like the C's definition that 'Love is Light is Knowledge'. It seems so simple, but I have a hard time applying it simplistically in my everyday life. Maybe I just don't have enough knowledge yet. Maybe it is not as 'simple' as it sounds!! But, If I can accept, appreciate and give back the 'love' from my animal companions who appear to be so pure of heart, and even if I am not so certain of the professed love from fellow Humans, I may still be on my way to understanding Love. After all this Human Species appears to be quite complicated!

Love,!!!
Laurie!
 
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Quote from: melatonin on Yesterday at 10:59:28 AM
I really have zero faith/expectation in human beings, and im personally far more comfortable this way.

Just out of curiosity, and a dire attempt to understand, how do you define faith, expectation vs. anticipation. I am trying to define those myself. The C's advise against anticipation, but I am unsure how that may relate to expectations. And 'Faith', what exactly is that? I mean there is 'blind faith' which, well being blind almost speaks for itself, but 'faith'? I am not sure that I have an understanding of the definition of that word. Expectation eludes me too, I mean I always thought that for example, if you expect someone to react in a particular way, according to what you know of that person, and they did react in that way whether good or bad, positive or negative, then they would have lived up to your expectations. And if you give something 'it's due' and it lived up to that, then well, that would be expected. Hence, my confusion.
 
melatonin said:
Menna - Your missing what im saying. Probably because im pretty uneducated and my english isnt up to standard.

When did i say that positive relationships didnt exist? I didnt.
That include allsorts of qualities like care.
I did say that i think its hard for people to know how they really feel with so many other things involved in their relationship.

I said that the word love was un-nessercary and (in my opinion) when someone loves something its describing how something makes THEM feel.
Its selfish.
"I love you, you make me feel so good".

Edited - Spellings.
I think in some way, yeah, maybe you are right. But that's why we are here, to learn and become one, so we may find the one. Maybe those negative examples of love and loyalty are there so we may observe them and learn from them, to discern of what could be real love.
I think as some user posted, the expectations of love and more, do not help so much, and indeed, is one of the big and hard lessons, at least for me. I don't know why love motivates us, to see someone happy and do whatever at your chance to see them happy, and at the same time, find someone to help you, but without beforehand wanted some recompense, I don't know, it's just like a new feeling. LOL. Love moves everything.

Edit:Redaction.
 
Freya said:
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Quote from: melatonin on Yesterday at 10:59:28 AM
I really have zero faith/expectation in human beings, and im personally far more comfortable this way.

Just out of curiosity, and a dire attempt to understand, how do you define faith, expectation vs. anticipation. I am trying to define those myself. The C's advise against anticipation, but I am unsure how that may relate to expectations. And 'Faith', what exactly is that? I mean there is 'blind faith' which, well being blind almost speaks for itself, but 'faith'? I am not sure that I have an understanding of the definition of that word. Expectation eludes me too, I mean I always thought that for example, if you expect someone to react in a particular way, according to what you know of that person, and they did react in that way whether good or bad, positive or negative, then they would have lived up to your expectations. And if you give something 'it's due' and it lived up to that, then well, that would be expected. Hence, my confusion.

Since you say that you are not sure about what faith is, I thought I post what is said about belief vs. faith in the Cassiopedia:

In QFS discourse, the word belief means a concept which is accepted as a given truth, without necessarily being critically evaluated. The concept often connotates emotional attachment of the believer to the belief.

Belief is sometimes used as the opposite of 'faith.' Belief here means that one has firmly decided that the world is a certain way and holds fast to this view even in the face of evidence to the contrary. In essence, one is attempting to force one's model on the world. 'Faith' in this context implies an open and receptive attitude to the universe. Faith implies trust but does not imply an inflexible judgement on how things must be. Belief is in a sense controlling and scared of being wrong, while faith is adventurous and flexible.

Even though the dictionary definitions of faith and belief are similar, the Cassiopaea material tends to make the above distinction between the two.

You can also find definitions of anticipation and non-anticipation there.
 
Freya said:
But I think that maybe, as we make our journey through the densities, the definition of 'love' expands.

I think so too. As I see it, being able to Love in the full, true sense of the word implies a state of being. I think it's safe to say that in today's blue marble being able to Love is just rare. Sure enough, the word is so used and abused that it almost lost all and any meaning.

Actually, it gained a new meaning, and that is the sad thing. Since the feeling/state of being of Love is the highest on the feeling/being scale, by having completely corrupted its meaning so as to make it downright frivolous we have greatly diminished our ability to feel and be. Quite masterfully I might add.
In Orwell's book 1984 I never forgot how one of the means used to control people was through the use of language so as to make it more and more simplified, more and more dull. Having language, one of our main means of expression so violently castrated had the same effect on people's minds. They became simpler and duller.

If the highest conceivable feeling, the one which sets up the standard at the top end of the scale, has the meaning it has in people's minds today it is no wonder things are looking so hopeless, ominous and bleak.

On the other hand, it seems logical that even if we do achieve an understanding of what love is, we are still conditioned by our 3D perceptions and can only experience as much as physicality, by its very nature conditioning, allows. So, following Freya's thoughts, our experience of Love probably expands as we gain knowledge and grow through densities.
This would work on a reciprocal relationship, osit, as we grow we gain understanding of love, as we gain understanding of love we grow.

Here is a beautiful post On Love
 
Thank you Nienna for your quote on Faith, as well as the link regarding anticipation.

I must admit that I am having a Faith issue lately. Not so much that I am becoming faithless, but that i am holding on to something that I am not sure exactly the meaning of. (if that makes any sense). When I look back on my life I can clearly see that I am a person who holds on to, and am appreciative of, the concept of Faith. In my youth, it was faith in God, even as I lost faith in religion, I held on to faith in God. As I matured (however much that may be!), The meaning of God has expanded. I have changed from seeing God as a Divine Being, a force outside of myself and have begun to know God to be as, well more like the Universe. And I don't mean a 'New Age' definition of the Universe, but more of a 'Divine Cosmic Mind' definition. Hard to put into words, but I can see how having 'faith', in and of itself, has allowed and provided so much for me over the course of my life. But as I have begun to see more clearly what is happening in the world over these recent years, and it really seems that time is speeding up and things are happening faster than in the past (I know, they say that time passes faster as you get older), but it appears to be more than that. (the approaching Wave, or something maybe) I find myself confused. I feel a sadness that I can't define. Maybe due to an 'end of times' 'doomsday' type program running. Maybe a 'Mad Max' survival type of fear! (I found that to be a very scary movie when I first saw it in my youth, I called it a horror flick, my friends called me crazy!) But this confusion, or fear or whatever, has lead me to ask myself, "where has that 'faith' gone?". And I don't mean that calming faith that 'all will be as it should', 'all will work for the benefit of the universe', 'it Is what it Is' type of faith. But that feeling of "Faith that you used to have that allowed you to Do, that allowed you to Act and to Express more openly". I have been wondering if 'My Faith' was, in fact, youthful blind faith. Am I now older and wiser, or am I just more scared and blinded by fear? Maybe I don't have a faith issue, maybe I have a fear issue!!!

Maybe I have a fear/anticipation of a future that may not even play out the way I fear, or maybe more so, a fear of my own weakness and inability to survive in my anticipated future?

But, I digress, this thread is about 'with you by my side' not 'fear of the future'. But as I started to think about my 'faith' issues I seem to have been lead in this direction, completely unbeknownst to me at first, however very enlightening to me as it turns out. I don't mean to use this forum as a 'sounding block' but I have to post this as an open expression of myself (that might touch someone else) in defiance of that little predator that keeps saying not to, "your so off topic and everyone will think you are an idiot"!!! I refuse to fall for the predator!! (although I am off topic, but I don't think I am a complete idiot!!)

So, pas de touché mon predator. :)
 
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