WTC Demolition theory challenged by Cambridge University engineer

Laura,

Thank you for putting together the various Cassiopaea/911 transcripts.

Very interesting.

I have copied and re-formatted it in Word and printed it out (25 pages) for ease of reading. I want to think over the information given and maybe post back with some more queries.

One thing that did interest me immediately, however, … because it is something I have bounced up against before … was the reference to the Navy. I immediately recalled a number of things I have come across about ONI – the ‘Office of Naval Intelligence.’

I’m afraid I haven’t kept any of the info links of the things that came to my earlier attention and made me ponder the role of ONI, so I will just comment from memory.

First of all, here is the reference to the Navy (ONI) in the transcripts posted:

A: Now, another interesting question! What is up with the Navy?

Q: What is up with the navy?

A: Maybe they know things they don't tell. Maybe what they know gives them a certain respect for "nature" and a hesitancy to meddle.

Q: Can you clarify?

A: Let's just say that the navy wouldn't play with the bullies because they know about bigger bullies. The navy learned a lot from the Philadelphia experiment. George Bush senior tried to get all the data about the things he heard and saw, but failed.

Q: What is the navy doing now?

A: Flying under the radar and waiting.
I am always impressed at how unknown (outside the US at least) ONI – the US Naval Intelligence Service – is.

If you mention to someone in conversation CIA, FBI, MI5, MI6, MOSSAD, KGB, most people will recognise instantly the intelligence services you are referring to, will know what countries they (at least ostensibly!) belong to, and the sort of things they get up to.

But on the few occasions I have mentioned ‘ONI’ or ‘Office of Naval Intelligence’ to people they have looked at me blankly and I have needed to give a quick explanation.

Anyway, as I said above, I have not kept links and references, so the following is what I have picked up about ONI along the way. They should perhaps more be considered as points for further research by anyone interested.

1. ONI is the oldest US intelligence service.
2. It is believed to have an incredibly large data base of information of all manner of things, events and people the world over – the navy travels to distant lands remember! – and not just the USA. Its records and info go back for hundreds of years. It is second to none of the other US intelligence services, nor probably the other ‘alphabet’ intelligence organisations worldwide either.
3. Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover were apparently ‘very wary’ (even afraid?) of ‘crossing swords’ with ONI.
4. ONI is reputed to hold intimate and detailed data on everyone in positions of power and government, and also their family ‘skeletons in the closet’ going back for hundreds of years. Hence the wariness mentioned in 3 above.
5. ONI is a very WASP-style organisation. Fiercely patriotic it has not opened its inner intelligence ranks to foreigners, ‘neo-cons’ or Zionists, and maintains it’s distance from the influences of such as MOSSAD. This reputedly is a sore point with MOSSAD who are generally considered to have infiltrated – and even control in some cases – all the other major intelligence networks in the world.
6. I did read somewhere that the section of the Pentagon that was being renovated contained planned new offices of ONI, and that some very high-tech computer equipment had already been installed by them. So the hit where it came in the Pentagon may also have been a ‘veiled warning’ to the ONI hierarchy. If so, it was probably a very foolish thing to have done.
7. ONI may yet prove to be ‘the joker in the pack’. It seems to operate with a mind of its own.

As I said, the above are memories of information I came across over the years since 911. As I was focussing on 911, and many other possible ‘cataclysmic world events’ to come, I noted the occasional references I stumbled over about ONI as interesting asides. I have not tried to research it in a coherent, data-gathering fashion.

However, it was interesting to me to find the Cs remarks quoted above about the Navy.

A: Maybe they know things they don't tell. Maybe what they know gives them a certain respect for "nature" and a hesitancy to meddle.
And I have always been impressed as to how ‘unknown’ they remain to the general public. At least, as I say, outside the USA. Even though they do have their own website!

_http://www.nmic.navy.mil/

Predictably the website does not really give much away at all!

And note the patriotic ‘Wasp’ flavour I referred to above. No beaming, smiling, groups of happy multi-cultural faces from every race, nationality, creed and colour here!

They are an interesting phenomenon.

Kieran
 
Kieran said:
I am always impressed at how unknown (outside the US at least) ONI – the US Naval Intelligence Service – is.
If you haven't already watched the Kay Griggs video interviews, about her insight into ONI and Army intel, they may be worth the considerable amount of time required to get through them. I believe they may be viewed at this link: _http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862 . Kay talks in depth about the experiences she had while married to one close to this subject, and afterward about brushes she had with the intel types who were trying to shut her up.

I've searched only the Forum for comments that would debunk her and found only one return which was a reference in a quote in the thread Alex Jones and 911 Scholars: The Parable of the Good Shepherd. Nothing was said directly about Kay.

After viewing her interviews on DVD a few years back I came away with the feeling that she was truly afraid for her life and had been sincere in what she had related. But, I am no expert on her veracity, and maybe others here at SOTT know more about her and will share with us.
 
I watched a lot of the Kay Griggs interview and I, too, was impressed.

Yes indeedy, there are depths we have not plumbed in this mystery.
 
Thanks for link Locksmith.

Only 552 Megabytes!

And 3 hours and 44 mins!

Lol!

Anyway, I have downloaded the interview and will watch.

I must get a life ... get a life ... get a life ........

Gratuitously, in my re-sparked interest about ONI I came across this.

Not terribly relevant, but it did make me laugh!

"The Real Hijackers"

therealhijackers.jpg


Kieran
 
Oh boy Locksmith!

The video I referred to in my previous post was only part 1!

Just downloaded Part 2. Another 3 hours and 33 minutes!

Just gonna make a call to Domino Pizza Parlour ....

Kieran
 
Kieran said:
Oh boy Locksmith!

The video I referred to in my previous post was only part 1!

Just downloaded Part 2. Another 3 hours and 33 minutes!

Just gonna make a call to Domino Pizza Parlour ....
Sorry, but I did say it would require an investment in time to view them. I bought the whole unedited set, 8+ hours, from this website -- _http://www.avatarproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AP-KGdvd&Category_Code=BMV


Buying the set of DVDs helps Kay and allows one to avoid the download.

Just a thought,

Jim ............ :)
 
My God!

I almost missed it!

Was it deliberate or ‘unconscious?’ (By the author of the image.)

In my pre-penultimate post – showing the image of Bush and Cheney piloting – Cheney has FOUR gold bands on his epaulette, while Bush only has THREE!

I have long thought/felt that Cheney is at the steering wheel.

Kieran

“The very label ‘conspiracy’ serves as an automatic dismissal, as though no one ever acts in secret. Let us bring some perspective and common sense to this issue.

The United States comprises large organizations - corporations, bureaucracies, ‘interest groups,’ and the like - which are conspiratorial by nature. That is, they are hierarchical, their important decisions are made in secret by a few key decision-makers, and they are not above lying about their activities. Such is the nature of organizational behaviour.

‘Conspiracy,’ in this key sense, is a way of life around the globe.”

- Richard Dolan. “The ‘National Security’ State”
 
Locksmith said:
If you haven't already watched the Kay Griggs video interviews, about her insight into ONI and Army intel, they may be worth the considerable amount of time required to get through them.
I have now watched all of the first part of the Kay Griggs videos. 3hrs and 44 mins worth!

I was impressed with Kay, and indeed, with the interview team.

Kay was unflustered, concentrated on her responses, and was refreshingly unembittered for someone who has suffered as much as she obviously has.

Kay’s obviously compendious knowledge of her subject, her knowledge of various well-known (and not so well known!) powerful individuals, her written and photographic documentation, and her quickness to correct slip-ups and inaccurate conjectures – the perfectly normal kind, not the deliberate attempts to mislead – made by the interviewer, all came across to me as thoroughly convincing.

People can, of course, convincingly act out any scenario, as witness to the convincingness of scenes acted out in the movies.

But with the additional advantage of background knowledge that most people in this Forum will have, I think there can be little doubt of the veracity of her statements.

And what a story! (So far. I have yet to watch part 2.)

Kay’s story and revelations really bring home to the viewer the absolute corruption – financial, sexual/homosexual and political – among the power elite! Also how well integrated with each other they are, supporting each other’s vices, business enterprises and illegal activities; how they are quite simply above the law – because they control the Judiciary when they want to; and how international they are – Saudis, Americans, Israelis, Europeans, Indians, Pakistanis, etc; and how monolithic their spider-like evil network is around the planet!

Above all, I came away with the impression that an old ‘Mob’ dream has been realised. Namely that the criminals have legitimised themselves!

I remember the old gangster movies – the ones in the days of Humphrey Bogart, Frank Sinatra, and Edward G Robinson – where the mob was constantly involved in trying to set up something ‘legit’ through which to operate ‘legally’ and with impunity. You know the sort of thing – a ‘legitimate’ Casino’ operation … or Restaurants … or Chinese Laundries – through which to launder their money and in which to have their ‘backroom meetings’. And, of course, ultimately, they strove to get a ‘Mob’ family member into the corridors of Government; a Senator or Congressman; a Chief of Police or a Judge. And they always had their boys going through college to graduate as attorneys etc.!

Well … they’ve done it!

The ‘Mob’ have legitimised themselves world-wide throughout all the levels of Government – Legislative, Executive and Judiciary!

That is a sobering thought.

The ordinary citizen is now without justice – or protection – worldwide!

This is now! Not something we have to prevent in the future. It is here now.

The criminals make the laws; dress in smart designer suits; are chauffeured around in large expensive cars; are provided with police escorts; attend conventions making world decisions; control the money supply; instigate brutal wars; and run the Top 500 Fortune companies.

And the majority of the populations of the world watch them in awe; think of them as ‘very successful’; wish they could be ‘up there’ with them; and try and push their own children to obtain the ‘necessary qualifications’ – as they think! – for such success!

And we are pretty sure that the criminals themselves are embedded in a hierarchical pyramid of power that reaches up to something even more powerful, cunning and evil!

When I consider all of the above, and where the agenda is still headed – a scientific, computerised, micro-chipped world slavery – I start to see the signs of an approaching cosmic cataclysm in a different light.

All things remaining equal I do not think we could now reverse the situation that we are all – 90% of humanity at least! – in.

So I for one would rather take my chances with a cataclysmic meteor strike, pole shift, climate change, and global EMP pulse, than be slowly submerged into a brutal 'One World State' of state police, torture, concentration camps, routine mass terminations, and a controlling micro-chip forcibly implanted in my brain, controlling emotions, moods, energy levels, pain, sleep … and the only ‘consciousness’ left to a once self-aware human being, with hopes ideas and aspirations, being the soft flutterings and whisperings of the computerised hive mind….

Kieran
 
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