Dakota said:France said:[quote='Awapuhi]
Thank you for starting this new topic thread genero81 :)
When it come to the knees always start with bent knees, knee injuries are common in people who stretch 'to much to quickly' in yoga classes. The muscles behind the knees take time to loosen and stretch so take it easy.
I always share that slow and steady wins the race Be open to what you are experiencing in the moment and be kind to your self and your body! Yoga is just a practice with no final destination, with practice comes experience and before long you will remember and your body will remember (muscle memory) what comes next.
thorbiorn said:The last link is not about physical injury, but mentions the possibility that some poses might trigger strong emotions in some people who have been exposed to traumatic events. The language of the article ends a bit new agey, but the idea and intention is alright.
_http://www.spiritvoyage.com/blog/index.php/dos-and-donts-of-teaching-yoga-to-trauma-survivors/
Yoga is progressively being incorporated into treatment and recovery programs for individuals with substance use disorders, in inpatient and outpatient rehabilitation settings, prisons, 12-step programs, and other community environments. At the same time, many health care professionals and therapists in private practice, including social workers, are adding yoga to their therapeutic toolboxes, becoming trained themselves to employ yoga therapy as an adjunct to their work with people in treatment and recovery.
[...]And considerable research shows that yoga therapy—the use of yoga principles and poses within the therapeutic setting—is an effective complementary approach to a range of illnesses and psychological conditions.
[...] Although there isn't a large body of research supporting yoga therapy's direct effect on people with addiction, there's significant evidence supporting its benefits for those with conditions believed to underlie addiction, including depression, anxiety, and trauma. Yoga activates the parasympathetic nervous system and increases levels of neurotransmitters that improve mood and enhance relaxation
One thing yoga has in common with the 12-step experience, according to Elkhart Kornfeld, is that it's an internal process. "It's a journey that has to be done by the individual," she says, "and it's inside that the transformation takes place." The 12 steps, she explains, "are very cerebral, and while there's a spiritual component to them, they mostly work through behavior and intellectual changes, like those achieved through cognitive behavior therapy. But trauma affects parts of the brain that can't be reached by CBT [cognitive behavioral therapy], by talking, or by going to meetings. Those things can help, but you have to work with the body to be able to achieve long-term change."
Yoga Sequencing: Designing Transformative Yoga Classes presents the essential principles and methods for planning and sequencing yoga classes. Addressing one of the most popular topics in the yoga profession, this book offers sixty-seven model sequences of yoga poses (asanas) that cover the broad range of yoga student experience, including multiple sequences for beginning, intermediate, and advanced students; yoga for kids, teens, women across the life cycle, and seniors; classes to relieve depression and anxiety; and sequences for each of the major chakras and ayurvedic constitutions. Each sequence provides guidance for teaching the different breathing (pranayama) and meditation techniques that give yoga its transformative power.
Enhanced with over 2,000 instructional photos and an elaborate guide to the constituent elements of over 150 yoga asanas, the book draws equally from ancient yoga philosophy and contemporary insights into functional anatomy, biomechanics, and kinesiology. The nuanced interrelationships among asanas within and between the seven asana families are explored and the anatomy of opening and stabilizing each pose is explained for sequences designed around specific needs and intentions. A comprehensive appendix includes a glossary of yoga-related terms, an alphabetical asana index with thumbnail photographs of each asana, a class planning worksheet, representative sequences from several popular styles of hatha yoga, and a list of resources for further exploring sequencing and the larger practice of teaching yoga.
genero81 said:Well I managed to hurt myself pretty good. Missed a couple nights work. So y'all be careful. Good news is it motivated me to seek out chiropractic care and I found a place that's very reasonable. Something I needed anyway. I plan to return to the yoga as soon as I feel it's safe to do so, and much more gently next time!
Marina9 said:thorbiorn said:The last link is not about physical injury, but mentions the possibility that some poses might trigger strong emotions in some people who have been exposed to traumatic events. The language of the article ends a bit new agey, but the idea and intention is alright.
_http://www.spiritvoyage.com/blog/index.php/dos-and-donts-of-teaching-yoga-to-trauma-survivors/
Thank you thorbiorn, in regards to this topic about healing trauma with yoga, came across with this article about how yoga in addition to therapies like CBT for example can be such a helpful aid for depression, PTSD, anxiety, and other disorders. I was thinking about the testimonial from Konstantin's brother, so I guess this is another great way to stay away from antidepressants.
http://www.socialworktoday.com/archive/052217p18.shtml
Yoga is progressively being incorporated into treatment and recovery programs for individuals with substance use disorders, in inpatient and outpatient rehabilitation settings, prisons, 12-step programs, and other community environments. At the same time, many health care professionals and therapists in private practice, including social workers, are adding yoga to their therapeutic toolboxes, becoming trained themselves to employ yoga therapy as an adjunct to their work with people in treatment and recovery.
[...]And considerable research shows that yoga therapy—the use of yoga principles and poses within the therapeutic setting—is an effective complementary approach to a range of illnesses and psychological conditions.
[...] Although there isn't a large body of research supporting yoga therapy's direct effect on people with addiction, there's significant evidence supporting its benefits for those with conditions believed to underlie addiction, including depression, anxiety, and trauma. Yoga activates the parasympathetic nervous system and increases levels of neurotransmitters that improve mood and enhance relaxation
One thing yoga has in common with the 12-step experience, according to Elkhart Kornfeld, is that it's an internal process. "It's a journey that has to be done by the individual," she says, "and it's inside that the transformation takes place." The 12 steps, she explains, "are very cerebral, and while there's a spiritual component to them, they mostly work through behavior and intellectual changes, like those achieved through cognitive behavior therapy. But trauma affects parts of the brain that can't be reached by CBT [cognitive behavioral therapy], by talking, or by going to meetings. Those things can help, but you have to work with the body to be able to achieve long-term change."
Which I think makes sense knowing how our bodies store trauma and every single pose has a purpose, not just the exercise per se. I think the thing with yoga is precisely that, getting to know our bodies, and as mentioned before, listening to what each pose is telling us; if one pose makes you feel all anxious or angry cause you can't seem to do it "right" then I think, the thing to do is continue to practicing that asana and really thinking why you're feeling that way, of course without pushing urself to injuries, that's the other thing: learning to be compassionate with yourself. There's some institutions mainly in the US that give yoga this particular focus:
http://www.chimeyogatherapy.com/
http://y12sr.com/
http://www.traumacenter.org/clients/yoga_svcs.php
And some others mentioned in the article :)
Recently at the yoga certification for teaching I joined, one of the books recommended by the teacher was: Yoga Sequencing: Designing Transformative Yoga Classes by Mark Stephens. It's a pretty big book, and although it's supposedly addressed to people learning to teach yoga, I would say it's for everyone that wants to know more about the asanas, the philosophy and different sequences for different purposes. It offers a big bunch of information, im not even near to the middle of the book hehe, but until now, IMO, it's been a very educational read with lots of tools.
For anyone who might be interested, the review from Amazon says:
Yoga Sequencing: Designing Transformative Yoga Classes presents the essential principles and methods for planning and sequencing yoga classes. Addressing one of the most popular topics in the yoga profession, this book offers sixty-seven model sequences of yoga poses (asanas) that cover the broad range of yoga student experience, including multiple sequences for beginning, intermediate, and advanced students; yoga for kids, teens, women across the life cycle, and seniors; classes to relieve depression and anxiety; and sequences for each of the major chakras and ayurvedic constitutions. Each sequence provides guidance for teaching the different breathing (pranayama) and meditation techniques that give yoga its transformative power.
Enhanced with over 2,000 instructional photos and an elaborate guide to the constituent elements of over 150 yoga asanas, the book draws equally from ancient yoga philosophy and contemporary insights into functional anatomy, biomechanics, and kinesiology. The nuanced interrelationships among asanas within and between the seven asana families are explored and the anatomy of opening and stabilizing each pose is explained for sequences designed around specific needs and intentions. A comprehensive appendix includes a glossary of yoga-related terms, an alphabetical asana index with thumbnail photographs of each asana, a class planning worksheet, representative sequences from several popular styles of hatha yoga, and a list of resources for further exploring sequencing and the larger practice of teaching yoga.
So in addition to Hittleman and Iyengar, this one, IMO, may also help.
He also has a YouTube channel, explaining several poses:
genero81 said:Well I managed to hurt myself pretty good. Missed a couple nights work. So y'all be careful. Good news is it motivated me to seek out chiropractic care and I found a place that's very reasonable. Something I needed anyway. I plan to return to the yoga as soon as I feel it's safe to do so, and much more gently next time!
I do hope you are doing better now genero81, we do certainly need to be very careful with the poses. Every body is different and maybe some are more flexible, others not, and so on. Of course with some practice you get there, but IMO it has to be little by little :)
Thanks so much everyone for the information
He also has a YouTube channel, explaining several poses:
987baz said:He also has a YouTube channel, explaining several poses:
Thanks Marina, interesting stuff, well more advanced than I am at the moment but, something to work towards for sure :) And his explanations for what to watch for are very informative too.
This doesn’t mean you can just push through muscle tension, thinking you should be able to go deeper. Your body is like a little child; if you push it too much it will close down more to protect itself. However, if you gently and lovingly stretch the boundaries, a little at a time, still respecting its boundaries, your body will respond positively by releasing tension and opening more. This optimum place of stretch is often called “the sweet spot”.
This means that you have hit a boundary that won’t and cannot change over time. This is the skeletal structure of your body reaching its limit: bone hits bone.
bm said:Thanks for the article on Yoga being an alternative to thinking-based therapies like CBT. I'm doing both at the same time now. It's been a month into the internet CBT course that I signed up for. I'm also attending weekly Yoga classes, and practicing in the mornings and evenings after work, and have been doing so for approximately 5 months. I owe a lot to yoga for helping me with becoming more aware of my body. It will be interesting to see how both these therapies work together. I seem to have my work in mind and body cut out for me.
There is a website which I find quite interesting if one is looking for nicely illustrated yoga postures. He does them in a skeletal format and in 3d. He also has a few books with these types of illustrations. It's at _http://www.dailybandha.com/. Like another member I enjoy "Yoga with Adriene" on youtube as well. I like the emphasis she puts on body awareness and slow, deliberate movement. This is one example of a very simple pose that can be done even with jeans on:
This book offers a scientific approach to understanding the practice of hatha yoga. Through four-color, three-dimensional illustrations of major muscles, tendons, and ligaments, Ray Long describes the practice and benefits of hatha yoga. Specific anatomical and physiological descriptions highlight the agonist, antagonist, and synergist muscles that come into play with each pose. Volume I of the series describes the key muscles of hatha yoga and how they are utilized. From beginners to experts, this book will become a constant companion.
Marina9 said:You're welcome Baz. It is a tough one, but he also has several sequences for beginners also. And another thing is that our bodies are completely different, some people with loads of experience might not even get there and will need to do an alternate pose for example. Some people might have compression, tension, hypermobility -which we might think that it's a great thing cause we are super flexible- but this could be a misconception, lots of injuries can be created from this, so it's always good to be aware of these things while we practice.
Another very important thing, IMO, is not to always listen to that teacher that wants you to really push urself, as with everything, teachers are our guides, and we also have to pay attention to what we are feeling. Nowadays lots of teachers, not all of course, tend to push students so they can get into all this fancy poses, but that's not the goal..
Some articles about this:
https://www.ekhartyoga.com/articles/tension-versus-compression-in-yoga
https://www.yogitimes.com/article/yoga-hypermobility-hyper-flexibility-too-very-flexible-poses
Tension:
This doesn’t mean you can just push through muscle tension, thinking you should be able to go deeper. Your body is like a little child; if you push it too much it will close down more to protect itself. However, if you gently and lovingly stretch the boundaries, a little at a time, still respecting its boundaries, your body will respond positively by releasing tension and opening more. This optimum place of stretch is often called “the sweet spot”.
Compression:
This means that you have hit a boundary that won’t and cannot change over time. This is the skeletal structure of your body reaching its limit: bone hits bone.
bm said:Thanks for the article on Yoga being an alternative to thinking-based therapies like CBT. I'm doing both at the same time now. It's been a month into the internet CBT course that I signed up for. I'm also attending weekly Yoga classes, and practicing in the mornings and evenings after work, and have been doing so for approximately 5 months. I owe a lot to yoga for helping me with becoming more aware of my body. It will be interesting to see how both these therapies work together. I seem to have my work in mind and body cut out for me.
There is a website which I find quite interesting if one is looking for nicely illustrated yoga postures. He does them in a skeletal format and in 3d. He also has a few books with these types of illustrations. It's at _http://www.dailybandha.com/. Like another member I enjoy "Yoga with Adriene" on youtube as well. I like the emphasis she puts on body awareness and slow, deliberate movement. This is one example of a very simple pose that can be done even with jeans on:
It will be interesting bm, and I look forward to read about ur experience with these both tools. Sometimes in yoga we release lots of emotions, and sometimes we could feel like, ok what is this trying to tell me or why am I feeling this way?? So having CBT is great. If people go to a yoga class just for the sake of exercise, which is also good, well whenever an emotion may come up it could be a little complicated to point out where that's coming from, so having extra tools is IMO great, or maybe also journaling about the experience in yoga classes.
That website is awesome bm, thanks so much! There's another tool, a great book about the anatomy and also it teaches you with what chakras you're working with in every muscle and pose, for anyone interested: https://www.amazon.com/Key-Muscles-Yoga-Scientific-Keys/dp/1607432382/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1499625655&sr=8-2&keywords=yoga+anatomy
Conscious breathing exercises, or pranayama, are a big part of yoga, and they're among the key tools I use as a psychologist — particularly when working with clients who are experiencing stress or anxiety. In Western contexts, diaphragmatic breathing is the most commonly known breathing technique but new scientific research is beginning to shed light on other pranayama techniques and their benefits.
Breathing consciously is a powerful act. The process of breathing sits directly at the interface of our voluntary nervous system (aspects of our physiology under our conscious control) and our autonomic nervous system (aspects generally not under conscious control). It’s a direct path for us to communicate quickly to the brain via what we do with our body. It also offers a direct link for balancing the sympathetic (fight-or-flight) and parasympathetic (rest-and-relax) branches of the nervous system.
Nadi shodhana, or alternate nostril breathing, has a long history in Ayurvedic medicine and yoga, where it’s thought to harmonize the two hemispheres of the brain, resulting in a balanced in physical, mental and emotional well-being. While science has yet to really explore what might be going on in terms of hemispheric functioning during this practice, recent studies have confirmed some pretty powerful effects of this practice.
So here are three good reasons for practicing this pranayama:
1. It activates the parasympathetic nervous system and reduces blood pressure.
2. It enhances respiratory functions: increases respiratory strength and endurance.
3. It improves attention and fine-motor coordination/performance.