Imminent Alien Disclosure?

[Keit]

I suppose my question is, IF NHI become common knowledge and there are, as the Cs suggested, going to be presented an ancient humans of some type with high tech here to save us from our problems, and therefore largely benevolent, how much of that picture is true? For me, none of it is. Therefore, if "disclosure" happens on that basis or something similar, then it will fundamentally be a lie.

Yeah, I agree with you. If all this process of gradually releasing information presented by the whistleblowers would have a distinct signature and eventually lead to NHI being presented in the way you described, it would be safe to assume that it was orchestrated. Doesn't matter if the participants were true and genuine.

The question is, do we already know at this point that this is the direction where it is going?

Personally I saw some signs already with the NJ drones. See this discussion as an example. But not everyone in the UFO "community" is an "alien hugger" Also previous whistleblowers (Grusch, Graves, Fravor, Elizondo, etc) in no way or shape talked about aspects that were described by Barber. Here is also a reminder that Grusch's testimony advocates for the "the interdimensional hypothesis".

At this point I am still not sure if whatever is happening now with all the information that comes up is necesseraly ALL part of this manipulative process that eventually will lead to what you wrote above. It's too early to say, imo. But there is also no doubt that the process of acclimatization to the idea of benevolent aliens has begun much earlier. Laura described it in the Amazing Grace and in the Wave, everything that went with New Age COINTELPRO, etc. Similar things were happening in the Soviet Union, and now in Russia. There are "alien huggers" everywhere

 

[Ryan]

Maybe someone can, based on the current information being put out there and the likely trajectory of it, tell me what the official story a few years down the line is likely to be, when the reality of "aliens" or "NHI" (or whatever they call it) is common knowledge. What understanding will, for example, your 'normie' mother or brother have?

It could go something like this:

"'NHIs' are mostly good, but there are a few bad apples of course, although most hostile encounters were probably 'self-defense' due to ignorant and primitive humans reacting badly to those who are far 'superior' to them in so many ways. Humans have constantly warred and destroyed the environment and climate change is threatening humanity's survival, so we should at least listen closely to what our 'universal brothers' have to say. Yes, governments have been covering up interactions with such beings, but given how primitive and aggressive humans are, can you blame them? It's likely been 'for our own good'.

What's more, it may be that our 'universal brothers' were responsible for a lot of humanity's progress as a civilisation and have been helping us out all along; did you watch that new Netflix documentary, "Humanity's Saviours"? There's a whole bunch of people who've known this for ages; we should have been listening to them more. In fact, we should be thinking about electing those sorts of people to political office. 'Traditional' politicians are corrupt - they all tell lies and are just after money. We need people who know about this 'NHI stuff' and can tell us how things should be done.

Hey, if you don't believe me, just Google it. The new AI search is super helpful."

 

[Joe]

It seems that most people that have been into this topic for a long time are waiting for "disclosure". They've been waiting so long that they have "ontological angst" and are seeking "ontological relief" (as Ennio quoted someone as saying). There are two problems with that IMO

1) "disclosure" is being used as synonym for "truth" when it shouldn't be, because it isn't.

2) That ontological relief many are so desperately seeking is leaving them open to believe whatever they're told (especially the positive version), because it's "disclosure" and therefore the "truth" and they feel so much better after all these years of waiting and wondering (especially because it's "positive" and they can let go of the fear they felt at the idea that it was negative).

Basically, it's likely to be one giant manipulation and con, like most major global man-made (or NHI-made) events are on this planet.

 

[Yas]

Pay attention to the "logic" or the rationale. So according to Sedala, not all the phenomena can be catagorized as "demonic". Some of the experiences are not negative. Quite the opposite. Some can be considered "very good". And the criteria for the event to be called "very good", is when a person encounters a craft/being/some phenomenon, and they feel "euphoric" afterwards. And if an electronic equipment is present, it's possible to see all kind of deviations when this "influence" is happening.

He also shared a story about a cave in a basin. People took some crystals from the cave and brought them home. And it produced a lot of chaotic activity. Apparitions, nightmares, all kind of bad stuff. They brought the crystals back to the cave, and when they came back home, everything returned to normal and they felt euphoric. They started feeling much much better than their regular "base line".

Dr. Jim Segala said, that whatever it was "rewarded" them for good behavior, and that it is an example of the experience being "positive".

We can see the above as an example of how tricky it's going to be, and how many people won't look or think beyond the "skin deep" level.

I think that this is a lesson we've been learning for quite some time and part of why learning about psychopaths and dark personalities is so important and a big part of The Wave series. That's exactly what we learn to see when we learn about this types, that they can present as very positive, charming, beautiful and even helpful people but in reality they are just lying, manipulating and using everyone for their own agenda. I think most people still tend to think that bad people are just ash*** and tend to base their judgment on how other people make them feel and how they look superficially. It's such a hard topic that even experts on the field can't agree on it completely and some can still fool people who are very well trained to detect them. The more we learn about them, the more we can train ourselves to see the unseen too, IMO.

 

[Wandering Star]

That's exactly what we learn to see when we learn about this types, that they can present as very positive, charming, beautiful and even helpful people but

Seeing where we are, that is an obvious symptom.

Except for very rare exceptions, no one gives anything if they don't expect something in return.

Pure facade with walls made of lies.

 

[Joe]

Here is also a reminder that Grusch's testimony advocates for the "the interdimensional hypothesis".

Just for the record, that short video doesn't mention "interdimensional" anything.

 

[Keit]

Just for the record, that short video doesn't mention "interdimensional" anything.

Here's a more appropriate video. It gives an idea about Grusch's view on aliens (his personal interaction was disturbing), and he also provides a basic explanation of what "interdimensionality" would be (like a holographic projection from the higher to lower dimensional space).

Personally I think that it is a highly unsatisfying explanation. There is also this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/194zbl8/rep_luna_grusch_never_said_extraterrestrial_he

 

[axj]

Just for the record, that short video doesn't mention "interdimensional" anything.

Grusch did say multiple times that the phenomenon may be interdimensional:

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., questioned Grusch about why he referred to potential "beings" as "non-human intelligence" and not "extraterrestrials."

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna called for greater transparency into UFOs, also called UAPs, and declared the IC is engaged in an effort to cover up information about the mysterious objects. (DoD | Getty Images)

At the 2023 hearing, Grusch suggested that what the government purportedly has is "very complex."

After the House briefing last week, Luna noted that Grusch previously referred to such entities as "interdimensional."

Yours truly asked Luna what "interdimensional" means when it comes to UAPs.

"Is this something that bends time and space," this reporter asked Luna.

The Florida Republican didn’t respond directly.

"He said interdimensional. He refused to use certain terms," said Luna.

But back to our political message box analysis.

"I think it’s incredibly important to listen to the specific words that Grusch uses," said Luna. "He never said extraterrestrial or alien."

Could it be that "extraterrestrial" or "alien" mean specific things in the intelligence or military communities when trying to atomize what the government knows about UAPs?

The term "interdimensional" pertains to the theory there are multiple dimensions of space and time, coexisting at once. One longstanding theory about UFOs is that what we may see on Earth isn’t even something from another planet or from far across the galaxy. Could it be something which broke across the plane of the dimension where we reside from its location in another dimension?

And you thought covering appropriations bills and the debt ceiling was mind bending.

Close encounters of congressional kind: Lawmakers struggle to grasp alleged 'interdimensional' nature of UFOs

Both political parties in the House and Senate are questioning whether the government and military are covering up possible evidence of UFOs.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I suppose my question is, IF NHI become common knowledge and there are, as the Cs suggested, going to be presented an ancient humans of some type with high tech here to save us from our problems, and therefore largely benevolent, how much of that picture is true?

If this will be the narrative, the bold part will be true to some degree, and it will be a limited hangout, because it will omit the man behind the curtain. They may even help out with some problems, as "proof" of their benevolence, but that will be a ploy in order to gain trust.

The Undergrounders Part 1

From Agartha to the Deros to the Cryptoterrestrials

cassiopaea.substack.com

 

[Joe]

If this will be the narrative, the bold part will be true to some degree, and it will be a limited hangout, because it will omit the man behind the curtain. They may even help out with some problems, as "proof" of their benevolence, but that will be a ploy in order to gain trust.

We'll see.

 

[mkrnhr]

The general narrative is "super advanced technology". Even if some people go a little off script like Grutch, there's always the good old "leaked mental health history" or the "advanced technology indistinguishable from magic" trick. As to benevolent and malevolent aliens, bad aliens are allied with China but we are allied with the good aliens because Hollywood and stuff and trust me bro.
As for testimonies, and given what we know about screen memories and such, I'm personally more inclined to trust a farmer who tries to convince his wife he had a passionate encounter with a well endowed female alien in mini skirts in a flying saucer than any career military with obnoxious-sounding three letters like UAP, NHI, XYZ, etc. But that's just a personal preference.

 

[Windmill knight]

Why even think that things are constantly happening through some form of mind control? I believe that in 95% of cases, all of us unconsciously do things because of the limited knowledge we have, and they simply take advantage of it, picking what suits them and making a big deal out of it. They can easily take things out of context and promote someone without their knowledge that they're doing so.

For example, I think he simply thinks like that. These are people with a "military-command" mindset, meaning they only focus on things they are 100% sure about, and anything outside that framework, they don't want to consider. They don't want to delve too deeply into feelings because they have seen how much nonsense people talk and how things get mixed up to the point that they can no longer distinguish them. They cannot rely on emotions because they can't separate the things. In the end, they decide to piece things together only from fragments of information they believe are pure, and these are the insights from people in high positions, not those derived from their own inner awareness or feelings.

You are right that in most cases mind control or similar is not really needed, since people are very good at deluding themselves and don't have in-depth knowledge about many things. In the case of Greer though, it is my opinion that it is something way more than standard human psychology, because he has been on the topic for several decades - how could he simply ignore the hundreds of cases in which aliens kill, harm or violate people's free will (as in abductions)? Or lie and mislead contactees repeatedly? Or are in cahoots with 'deep-state' elites that he distrusts? He has studied the subject, he has insider knowledge with his contacts in government and the military, etc. So why does he insist on something that is clearly not true? Either he does it on purpose (which makes him a traitor to humanity, as AI said), or is a 4D STS 'walk-in' (as someone else suggested), or he's been mind-programmed to play this role.

Furthermore, he has always been on the spotlight. When you hear the word 'disclosure', he's the first person that comes to mind. That speaks of a solid PR/propaganda campaing around him. Somehow the system allowed him to be in that position.

 

[Windmill knight]

I think that this is a lesson we've been learning for quite some time and part of why learning about psychopaths and dark personalities is so important and a big part of The Wave series. That's exactly what we learn to see when we learn about this types, that they can present as very positive, charming, beautiful and even helpful people but in reality they are just lying, manipulating and using everyone for their own agenda. I think most people still tend to think that bad people are just ash*** and tend to base their judgment on how other people make them feel and how they look superficially. It's such a hard topic that even experts on the field can't agree on it completely and some can still fool people who are very well trained to detect them. The more we learn about them, the more we can train ourselves to see the unseen too, IMO.

In light of this discussion, I find it quite fascinating that this forum throughout the years has put an emphasis on the Work on the self, i.e. learning about our human 'machine' and its psychology, to keep it in good working order through diet or practices that help our health, and to learn and practice how to control our own emotions to master our machine. Also, what Yas says above about dark personalities and 'seeing the unseen', in the most important sense of telling truth from lies.

Because it turns out that in the not too distant future, all that knowledge might come very handy indeed whenever the so-called 'disclosure' happens! It may make the difference for any one person between being 'assimilated by the Borg' or not! Think about it, these 4D critters can make people feel extatic like they did with Jake Barber, or they can make people feel irrationally terrified, as described in some episodes of John Keel's books. So I think it's a given that they will use that against us. That is on top of the propaganda and lies that the masses will be (or are already) exposed to once the NHI is officially accepted, or even presented 'in the flesh' to us. Without knowledge of human health and psychology, and at least some degree of self-control, as well as knowledge of how psychopaths operate and manipulate, as well as knowledge of the true nature of the UFO phenomenon (hyperdimensionality and STS), people really don't stand a chance.

 

[daddycat]

There's a chance that disclosure doesn't get received as planned, and rather the general population sees them as demons. Last month a normal firefighter told me about a UFO he saw, and during the sighting he was screaming "God is great!" against it because he perceived the UFO as demonic.

 

[Ruth]

There's a chance that disclosure doesn't get received as planned, and rather the general population sees them as demons. Last month a normal firefighter told me about a UFO he saw, and during the sighting he was screaming "God is great!" against it because he perceived the UFO as demonic.

And Trump could deport them as illegal aliens. That would be funny and much deserved.