Obsession with beauty - Plastic surgeries - Trans (Katoi from Thailand)

[Gallo]

(Please forgive me in advance if my ideas have already been discussed; I haven't read the entire post yet.)

What if this obsession with this type of physique (ultra-muscular men and women with exuberant mouths, buttocks and breasts) came from the beauty standards of 3D lizzies? The current ideal of beauty might actually be the ideal of 4D STS. I think it was on the forum where I saw an image of a prehistoric statue depicting a woman with prominent lips. Just a thought...

 

[Asa]

Perhaps an oversimplification, but biological women who pursue invasive procedures are:

(i) Insecure, feel unloved or unloveable, or;
(ii) Desperate to hang onto the power derived from youthful beauty.
(iii) Competing in the sexual market place

To be honest, I think the latter two are more common, and perhaps the equivalent of men obsessively chasing material or physical 'excellence.'

 

[loreta]

I put this video on the funny videos section but I think it can be here, also.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I think the same forces that drive obsession with beauty are the same forces that drive obsession with wealth. If you think about it, beyond a certain line, it can get really toxic and unhealthy. Sadly, it also comes easier to some, than others. Some are born with it, some without it. One can't really buy beauty, the same way you can't buy wealth. If I was to be poetic, true wealth or true beauty is earned, not bought. Sadly, it can be gifted though - the world can be unfair like that .

 

[meadow_wind]

I put this video on the funny videos section but I think it can be here, also.

This guy is awesome! His humour is priceless

Yes, someone posted an example of her earlier. She used to be fairly pretty, but now she's repulsive. It seems she might have tried to look like Kim Kardashian, but the process failed... or maybe she aimed for a geko.
But I like his way of saying it: "it's a symbol of power, of status, to differentiate the elite from the peasants."

We can see in the video the Kardashian/Jenner and the whole Narcissistic clique of "The Rich & Famous Inc."

I recently looked into the Kardashian/Jenner phenomenon to try to understand where they come from and how they achieved what they did. I've always been repulsed by them without even knowing them. It seems they had money and connections thanks to their dad who was a famous attorney. The turning point was when Kim landed a job with Paris Hilton... Then came the plastic surgeries to look like a Porn Star, the goal being to turn herself into a product to sell in the Fashion/Modeling/TV industry. The whole family went under the scalpel (or needles), and they seem like a major case of "success" (depending on how one defines success, of course).

 

[loreta]

They think that changing their faces will make them as rich as the elite. It's an escape into nothingness. A total rejection of what is natural. A morbid desire to look like the models in magazines that only talk about rich people. This is how the elites can do whatever they want on this planet, destroy nature, for example. Let's just say it's nauseating. Plastic surgery goes further. It produces feelings such as envy, depression at not being like the plastic women of the elite, contempt for what is natural, in fact contempt for life. The fear of growing old and maturing. And the fear of dying.

This is narcissism taken to the extreme. And here is Narcissus who returns to haunt this decadent civilization and who will end up dying, like Narcissus, from navel-gazing.

The character of Narcissus is the origin of the term narcissism, a self-centered personality style. This quality in extreme contributes to the definition of narcissistic personality disorder, a psychiatric condition marked by grandiosity, excessive need for attention and admiration, and an impaired ability to empathize. (wikipedia)

 

[Seato]

My thoughts echo earlier mentions of body dysmorphia. Of course, beauty standards have been increasingly corrupted but so much of what is promoted is so obviously grotesque and worse that it seems apparent that there is a significant mental component to the issue.
Any such health and mental issues are only likely to be worsened by shoving toxic plastics and chemicals in your body.

If true beauty is indeed what is inside a person more so than what is outside what does that say about people driven to make these changes for superficial reasons. Does it represent not only an insecurity in who we are in external appearance but also who we are inside?

Many of those pushed into gender reassignment procedures are in reality often just suffering from insecurities and mental issues. The plastic surgeries and beauty treatments in a similar way are framed as the solution to problems that may actually stem from the persons internal being more than their external. In this sense through the pursuit of these procedures they may work to unintentionally deform their appearance to better match their internal disorder.
An act of wishful thinking wherein our predators mind pushes us to conceal our internal insecurities with overt indulgence in physical illusions rather than face our own flaws and risk exposure for who we are.

With the advent of ai developments I suspect this is only going to worsen. It was already near impossible for people to achieve supermodel physiques. What about if ai goes further promoting actually physically impossible appearances. Could this be used to encourage people to become more than human if the opportunity was offered? Transhumanism and the like. At the same time with beauty standards increasingly being inversed might it be easier for hyperdimensional visitors and hybrids and the like to better blend in if desired.

 

[KTC]

What a strange and disturbing World we live in. I'm closer to 50 than I've ever been and I know so many ppl my age who have had surgeries, fillers, peels, ridiculous lash extensions, suction, not to mention the excessive use of Ozempic for weight loss (or in Australia Wegovy) you name it they're doing it.
I'm at that stage of life when my body is changing quite a bit due to menopause and I have to work hard to stay feeling strong and I can feel my joints, skin and body shape shifting in directions the Kardashians will never experience so I can definitely empathise with people who already have poor body image but I don't understand how low someone must feel to go under the knife which may seem strange because I have a lot of tattoos which I guess is also changing the body scape.
For me the process of getting a tattoo though is a big part of the experience. I enjoy the discomfort and watching the art be drawn on to my skin. Having said that I haven't had a new tattoo for about 15 years and most are at least 20 years old and if I'd known how toxic they are for our health I would have reconsidered but I was too busy rebelling to use my brain back then.
I know it's a bit off topic but I wonder if its similar with people who get all these body modifications, the process of having it done somehow is a stressful experience but also alleviates stress like a pressure cooker. I'm not sure, just a thought.
I go to the gym and I have noticed over the years that people in there are more and more interested in looking at themselves rather than just exercising. Sometimes I observe people spending more time setting up their phone to film themselves than they spend actually working out. And then they sit on the equipment to edit their perfect shot to share with the world (like anyone actually cares what they are doing). I've even heard of one of the new gyms in town having a 'poser room' full of mirrors and equipped with selfie sticks so you can get that perfect shot??? WTF
I also often wonder of the massive muscly dudes at my gym, what is their actual function? Years ago a friend of mine was obsessed with how he looked and spent so much time at the gym that he resembled Hulk. One day we went for a surf. He literally could not even paddle out the back where the waves were breaking and it was the funniest thing to see, this massively muscly guy look so useless actually performing an activity. Ever since then I always wonder when I see someone who looks too perfect or chisselled or botoxed - what is your actual purpose, like what can you do, what is the actual point of all that show and is it even functional? To me it's not what you look like but what you are capable of that is more attractive. I also find that of the people I see getting all the work done, they ae starting to all look the same. Weird. I'd rather be uniquely me.
I'll take my grey haired, sea weathered, 50 something surfing husband over some artificially generated, perfectly useless trophy any day.

 

[Arwenn]

I've even heard of one of the new gyms in town having a 'poser room' full of mirrors and equipped with selfie sticks so you can get that perfect shot???

Jeez, the concept of having ‘poser rooms’ in gyms seems so insane to me. A bit off topic I know, but I saw something posted on Twitter about how before the advent of phones, cameras and social media, we were busy making memories rather than making content.

 

[loreta]

I think maybe all this has to do with perfectionism. And as Aleta Edwards says in her book on the fear of the abyss, perfection doesn't exist. We have to accept things as they are: our relationships, our friends, our dogs and cats—especially cats. And we have to accept our bodies, which are wonderful. But to accept that we have a body that is miraculous, we have to be aware that we have a body. And who knows, those people who have their faces and other body parts changed don't know they're inhabiting a body. They're machines.

I know a woman who takes Ozempic and who, two weeks ago, was very, very sick with vomiting and diarrhea. She was so sick that she ended up in the emergency room. Yet the doctor told her not to stop taking the treatment (which is also very expensive, around 200 euros a month) and to continue as if nothing had happened. The vomiting stopped, but the diarrhea didn't. I told her just one thing: your body is telling you something, you have to listen to it. But she didn't even hear me say that. Of course, I didn't insist. This woman is strongly built; with proper exercise, she could lose weight, but she'll never be a model because her body is strong and robust.

We're experiencing the end of intelligence and common sense.

 

[gottathink]

I feel it’s okay to invest time and energy in being physically attractive as part of the “work”, in fact it is a consequence of it. I don’t think anyone here is critical of this just want to add these points to this discussion.
And when you work at it, it helps what beauty we have inside of us come to the outside. I was inspired by one of the C’s comments about putting effort into how we present ourselves. For me it gave me permission to put an effort into my exterior appearance. I did some research and built up a modest but attractive wardrobe of good quality clothes, and I put an effort into my outfits when I go out even going to the supermarket I feel much more confident. It’s nothing over the top, pretty normal attire it’s just a big step up from track pants and hoodies (when I met my husband I feel like he picked me up on this also by telling me to take a bit of pride in my appearance. He would not let me wear sweatpants outside the house. He has helped me express whats inside of me, and that’s what he is attracted to).

I suffered from low self esteem as a teenage girl which was a consequence of being slobby which I did to disguise myself from sexual predators around me. I have always been physically fit and my physique seemed to attract unwelcome attention, my fear of being seen was in particular triggered by my development at 15 years old. So normal teenage girl stuff. It was a vicious circle, my low self esteem then attracted more predators. Luckily I had enough strength of character that no one ever managed to interfere with me.

As an adult I felt like I never found a way to express inner beauty externally. In regards to our faces, I have improved how I look and feel by using visualisation techniques to straighten and correct some facial asymmetry as well as facial muscle exercises. These are very effective for correcting lines and wrinkles. But, like everything you have to put the work in and be consistent. So I have gone from looking constantly tired and haggard (chronic stress and insomnia) to feeling like I look pretty good. I like myself instead of loathe myself, and that’s inside and outside now. Another function of this is that people respect my thoughts and ideas about rehabilitation and training methods because I now look like I know what I’m talking about. And I have been able to put my knowledge and years of study to work helping others.

If there is any interest in the topic of exercises for the facial muscles I can start a thread?