How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[T.C.]

When I said that the long wave and short wave cycles were formed at the same time, I mean it semantically. It’s like saying, “there was originally just a ‘hot’ cycle, and then later on, someone wanted to experience ‘cold’, so cold was invented after hot.” You can’t have cold without hot, just like you can’t have long without short.

Also, we have been told that there is no time, so one couldn’t have been created after the other.

And again, in my opinion, the way the C’s said that existence can only be experienced in two ways - either on a long wave cycle or a short wave cycle - to me implies that they were speaking generally, and those ways have always existed and are always options for soul groups. I don’t see why they would have said that at the time they did in the way that they did. And they’ve gone into quite a lot of detail about how it’s an option to speed up reunion with the one, and it has partly ethereal and partly physical experience, etc.

 

[axj]

We are also sort of getting into the territory of the unknowable to us. For example, the C's said that there have been infinite or close to infinite Big Bang Grand Cycles.

Was the short wave cycle formed before or during the initial Big Bang Grand Cycle together with the long wave cycle? Maybe. They did mention that something like natural necessity was the reason for forming the short wave cycle.

Though since the short wave cycle was formed, it implies that there was a beginning to it. There are many possibilities to what existed in the eternity before that and this is quite certainly in the unknowable territory for us.

You can’t have cold without hot, just like you can’t have long without short.

What we now call the long wave cycle could have been simply the only mode of existence originally - only ethereal or physical existence, with no option to have half of one and half of the other together as in the short wave cycle.

Also, we have been told that there is no time, so one couldn’t have been created after the other.

The C's also said that they are still learning, which implies a before and after or something similar to time beyond our illusory time. They called it "the expanded present".

And again, in my opinion, the way the C’s said that existence can only be experienced in two ways - either on a long wave cycle or a short wave cycle - to me implies that they were speaking generally, and those ways have always existed and are always options for soul groups.

The C's said that the short wave cycle was formed ("through nature through the natural bounds of the universe"), which means it has not always existed.

 

[T.C.]

The C's said that the short wave cycle was formed ("through nature through the natural bounds of the universe"), which means it has not always existed.

If a chicken lays an egg tomorrow, then that egg was formed after a time when it didn’t exist. But other eggs did. My interpretation of the C’s comments about the short wave cycle that pertains to this discussion, the human one that affected 1D and 2D entities on Earth, is like that.

But that’s just my theory.

 

[Fluffy]

Since the C's said that the long wave is completely ethereal, I curently prefer to disagree with your suggestion that "the long wave is purely physical for flora and fauna". There must be some misunderstanding there. I prefer to consider that the experience of flora and fauna in the long wave is also "etheric" regardless of their inhabiting a physical plane. As I said before, when humanity was in the long wave (ethereal) cycle, they were apparently still somewhere on or around the planet earth at least for some time before the "fall". It seems that they were in some etheric field of the planet. There's a talk of humans living on Lemuria, which the C's say "submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately". So, if I get that right, the completely etheric long wave cycle can be connected to or with a physical plane, such as the Earth (marriage between soul and matter?) This "might" be roughly explaining how fauna and flora could be experiencing a long wave cycle on a physical plane. I don't claim to have clearly explained the situation, I just try to get closer to a reliable explanation as best as I can.

I’m glad you said that, you articulated my thoughts, thank you.
I would also suspect that in an environment that is physical but not inhabited by 3D that it would likely be STO, with strong -unveiled - connection to 5D.

Still, I’m grappling with the idea that spiritual/ethereal can have a form of physical body.

May be something like from this session:

Session 28 July 2025

mamibio74) On June 9, in Les Abrets, Isère, I met a child of about 2 and a half years old in a place dedicated to children (castle and other inflatables) who spontaneously took my hand. This very blond child with very light blue eyes left me with a strange impression. I saw a light come out of his eyes for a moment. Was it something external that made me think this had happened? When I asked him where his mommy was, he replied with a long sentence that included a lot of i's and o's (nothing to do with the Italian language) and he pointed 3 times to a specific place in the sky. Why was he alone for so long? I had to keep an eye on my grandson, which diverted my attention and strangely enough I forgot about him for a while. I didn't feel he was in distress, maybe that's why, but it's not like me. When I went to look for him, he'd disappeared. I'd like to know if this child is a hybrid?

A: No

Q: (mamibio74) If he's a real human...?

A: No

Q: (mamibio74) ... and what happened?

(L) You didn't ask an open enough question. Who is this person? Are you here?

(Chu) No.

(L) Another one who's not here. You didn't leave options for anything. Okay. So I'll try to, okay. Who or what was this child? Was this a human child? They said no. Okay. Was it a hybrid? They said no. What was it?

A: Manifestation of spirit of 5D.

Q: (L) So is it kind of like a ghost?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Oh, I was going to say an angel. Yeah, it sounded like an angel to me.

 

[Fluffy]

It is interesting how many misunderstandings occur in this thread. Part of it certainly due to the topic, since we have very little information or clues on it.


I think that nobody suggested that. Though there are different takes on whether the C's talking about the creation of the short wave cycle implies that it existed "less long" than the long wave cycle in the universe.

So many misunderstandings, I think that’s the fun part, we’re relying on hearsay, conjecture and musings. It cooks my mind a fair bit and I enjoy it a lot.

I would think, in the beginning of this cycle of big bang and all of that, that we originally resided in 5D in a long wave cycle as immature spirit sparks. After a long ‘time’ in contemplation individual souls began to develop and group together with their similar ideas, then wanting to seek outside of home they were given the option of a short wave cycle.

Since time as we know it doesn’t exist and everything is happening in the ever present now (still and forever I’ll try to grok that as a human feeble mind in 3D) then nothing was created after the fact and the choice was always there.

 

[bozadi]

I think there's a very simple fact upon the consideration of which we can easily conclude that the short wave cycle has always existed. The existence of STS beings!!! I don't think that it's possible for STS (let's say 4D STS) beings to exist anywhere but in a short wave cycle. The Lizzies are a part of the short wave cycle. And we know that they existed before a short wave cycle, or a connection for it, was "formed for us".

Although I am not very sure, I think STO beings can exist in a short wave cycle, but STS beings cannot exist in a long wave cycle. So, short wave cycling is inevitable for all STS beings.

 

[Mari]

in the beginning of this cycle of big bang and all of that, that we originally resided in 5D in a long wave cycle as immature spirit sparks

We already know it was not "5D spirit sparks" but it was Transient Passengers - 6D.
I.e. check this session:

Q: (L) And where did the beings come from that lived on this planet? Did they evolve there?

A: No.

Q: (L) Were they also, like us, created beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who created them?

A: Same.

Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, who created the Cassiopaeans?

A: Your super ancient spiritual ancestors.

Q: (L) Do these beings have a name?

A: No.

Q: (L) What are they called?

A: Transient Passengers.

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I don't think that it's possible for STS (let's say 4D STS) beings to exist anywhere but in a short wave cycle.

The Cs already answered that levels 1-4D reincarnate - which means both long and short wave cycle.

Q: (T) A fourth level soul can then enter the body of a third level?

A: Or perhaps a fourth level soul... remember, as we have described to you before, levels one through four, more appropriately density levels one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were, in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is the first level where short wave cycle recycling is no longer necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore, all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical body at all times when in physical state. And, therefore, reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable. Do you understand?

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[bozadi]

I would also suspect that in an environment that is physical but not inhabited by 3D that it would likely be STO, with strong -unveiled - connection to 5D.

Yeah, this seems to be why the flora and fauna on Earth would ordinarily experience long wave cycling if it was not for humans, who transitioned from the long to the short wave. Since the C's say the long wave is "completely etheric", this seems to contradict the idea that the flora and fauna on the physical plane of the planet would normally be experiencing the (etheric) long wave cycle. I also imagined "etheric (non-physical) fauna and flora" but the expressions like "on the physical plane" and also the fact that they (1D and 2D) would be interacting with (physical) humanity make me think that the C's mean physical 1D and 2D beings. A possibility is that it's impossible for 1D and 2D to be completely etheric even in the long wave but that this doesn't prevent them from having a "completely etheric" experience even if they occupy physical bodies. What does it mean for 1D and 2D beings in physical bodies to have a completely etheric existence? I think this means there is no "veil" for them. As you also mentioned, they would have a conscious and continuous connection with their 5D essence. But this brings the question: Does the concept "veil" apply to 1D and 2D beings who we forced to experience a short, rather than long, wave cycling along with us? Are they now "veiled" or still non-veiled? Or this is matter of mixture? A spectrum of different levels of veiled-ness depending on exposure to human-based intense STS experiences?

 

[bozadi]

in the beginning of this cycle of big bang and all of that, that we originally resided in 5D in a long wave cycle as immature spirit sparks

We already know it was not "5D spirit sparks" but it was Transient Passengers - 6D.

I believe we still are 5D spirits, or, at least, we have a 5D self which is always stationed in 5D, even at this very moment. And it's a very interesting thought whether our 5D self resides in a long or short wave cycle? I think it's logical to suppose that it's in a long wave cycle, although part of it goes to the short wave for physical reincarnation in our case. Another interesting question can be this: Does the same apply to the 5D self of a Lizzie? Or, do they effectively merge with their 5D self when they disincarnate?

I'm not sure, Mari, what you mean by your reference to Transient Passengers. You mean we are also a part of them? The C's say we are part of a fragmented 6D oversoul, or something like that. Maybe this is akin to what you mean to say?

The Cs already answered that levels 1-4D reincarnate - which means both long and short wave cycle.

Yes, I agree with that, thank you. And I suppose the bolded part above means both cycles exist eternally, rather than there's reincarnation in both cycles? Whether reincarnation applies to both of the cycles is another discussion. Can there be such thing as a non-physical reincarnation? I'm not sure, I try to think on it.