How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[T.C.]

When I said that the long wave and short wave cycles were formed at the same time, I mean it semantically. It’s like saying, “there was originally just a ‘hot’ cycle, and then later on, someone wanted to experience ‘cold’, so cold was invented after hot.” You can’t have cold without hot, just like you can’t have long without short.

Also, we have been told that there is no time, so one couldn’t have been created after the other.

And again, in my opinion, the way the C’s said that existence can only be experienced in two ways - either on a long wave cycle or a short wave cycle - to me implies that they were speaking generally, and those ways have always existed and are always options for soul groups. I don’t see why they would have said that at the time they did in the way that they did. And they’ve gone into quite a lot of detail about how it’s an option to speed up reunion with the one, and it has partly ethereal and partly physical experience, etc.

 

[axj]

We are also sort of getting into the territory of the unknowable to us. For example, the C's said that there have been infinite or close to infinite Big Bang Grand Cycles.

Was the short wave cycle formed before or during the initial Big Bang Grand Cycle together with the long wave cycle? Maybe. They did mention that something like natural necessity was the reason for forming the short wave cycle.

Though since the short wave cycle was formed, it implies that there was a beginning to it. There are many possibilities to what existed in the eternity before that and this is quite certainly in the unknowable territory for us.

You can’t have cold without hot, just like you can’t have long without short.

What we now call the long wave cycle could have been simply the only mode of existence originally - only ethereal or physical existence, with no option to have half of one and half of the other together as in the short wave cycle.

Also, we have been told that there is no time, so one couldn’t have been created after the other.

The C's also said that they are still learning, which implies a before and after or something similar to time beyond our illusory time. They called it "the expanded present".

And again, in my opinion, the way the C’s said that existence can only be experienced in two ways - either on a long wave cycle or a short wave cycle - to me implies that they were speaking generally, and those ways have always existed and are always options for soul groups.

The C's said that the short wave cycle was formed ("through nature through the natural bounds of the universe"), which means it has not always existed.

 

[T.C.]

The C's said that the short wave cycle was formed ("through nature through the natural bounds of the universe"), which means it has not always existed.

If a chicken lays an egg tomorrow, then that egg was formed after a time when it didn’t exist. But other eggs did. My interpretation of the C’s comments about the short wave cycle that pertains to this discussion, the human one that affected 1D and 2D entities on Earth, is like that.

But that’s just my theory.

 

[Fluffy]

Since the C's said that the long wave is completely ethereal, I curently prefer to disagree with your suggestion that "the long wave is purely physical for flora and fauna". There must be some misunderstanding there. I prefer to consider that the experience of flora and fauna in the long wave is also "etheric" regardless of their inhabiting a physical plane. As I said before, when humanity was in the long wave (ethereal) cycle, they were apparently still somewhere on or around the planet earth at least for some time before the "fall". It seems that they were in some etheric field of the planet. There's a talk of humans living on Lemuria, which the C's say "submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately". So, if I get that right, the completely etheric long wave cycle can be connected to or with a physical plane, such as the Earth (marriage between soul and matter?) This "might" be roughly explaining how fauna and flora could be experiencing a long wave cycle on a physical plane. I don't claim to have clearly explained the situation, I just try to get closer to a reliable explanation as best as I can.

I’m glad you said that, you articulated my thoughts, thank you.
I would also suspect that in an environment that is physical but not inhabited by 3D that it would likely be STO, with strong -unveiled - connection to 5D.

Still, I’m grappling with the idea that spiritual/ethereal can have a form of physical body.

May be something like from this session:

Session 28 July 2025

mamibio74) On June 9, in Les Abrets, Isère, I met a child of about 2 and a half years old in a place dedicated to children (castle and other inflatables) who spontaneously took my hand. This very blond child with very light blue eyes left me with a strange impression. I saw a light come out of his eyes for a moment. Was it something external that made me think this had happened? When I asked him where his mommy was, he replied with a long sentence that included a lot of i's and o's (nothing to do with the Italian language) and he pointed 3 times to a specific place in the sky. Why was he alone for so long? I had to keep an eye on my grandson, which diverted my attention and strangely enough I forgot about him for a while. I didn't feel he was in distress, maybe that's why, but it's not like me. When I went to look for him, he'd disappeared. I'd like to know if this child is a hybrid?

A: No

Q: (mamibio74) If he's a real human...?

A: No

Q: (mamibio74) ... and what happened?

(L) You didn't ask an open enough question. Who is this person? Are you here?

(Chu) No.

(L) Another one who's not here. You didn't leave options for anything. Okay. So I'll try to, okay. Who or what was this child? Was this a human child? They said no. Okay. Was it a hybrid? They said no. What was it?

A: Manifestation of spirit of 5D.

Q: (L) So is it kind of like a ghost?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Oh, I was going to say an angel. Yeah, it sounded like an angel to me.

 

[Fluffy]

It is interesting how many misunderstandings occur in this thread. Part of it certainly due to the topic, since we have very little information or clues on it.


I think that nobody suggested that. Though there are different takes on whether the C's talking about the creation of the short wave cycle implies that it existed "less long" than the long wave cycle in the universe.

So many misunderstandings, I think that’s the fun part, we’re relying on hearsay, conjecture and musings. It cooks my mind a fair bit and I enjoy it a lot.

I would think, in the beginning of this cycle of big bang and all of that, that we originally resided in 5D in a long wave cycle as immature spirit sparks. After a long ‘time’ in contemplation individual souls began to develop and group together with their similar ideas, then wanting to seek outside of home they were given the option of a short wave cycle.

Since time as we know it doesn’t exist and everything is happening in the ever present now (still and forever I’ll try to grok that as a human feeble mind in 3D) then nothing was created after the fact and the choice was always there.

 

[bozadi]

I think there's a very simple fact upon the consideration of which we can easily conclude that the short wave cycle has always existed. The existence of STS beings!!! I don't think that it's possible for STS (let's say 4D STS) beings to exist anywhere but in a short wave cycle. The Lizzies are a part of the short wave cycle. And we know that they existed before a short wave cycle, or a connection for it, was "formed for us".

Although I am not very sure, I think STO beings can exist in a short wave cycle, but STS beings cannot exist in a long wave cycle. So, short wave cycling is inevitable for all STS beings.

 

[Mari]

in the beginning of this cycle of big bang and all of that, that we originally resided in 5D in a long wave cycle as immature spirit sparks

We already know it was not "5D spirit sparks" but it was Transient Passengers - 6D.
I.e. check this session:

Q: (L) And where did the beings come from that lived on this planet? Did they evolve there?

A: No.

Q: (L) Were they also, like us, created beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who created them?

A: Same.

Q: (L) The Cassiopaeans?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, who created the Cassiopaeans?

A: Your super ancient spiritual ancestors.

Q: (L) Do these beings have a name?

A: No.

Q: (L) What are they called?

A: Transient Passengers.

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I don't think that it's possible for STS (let's say 4D STS) beings to exist anywhere but in a short wave cycle.

The Cs already answered that levels 1-4D reincarnate - which means both long and short wave cycle.

Q: (T) A fourth level soul can then enter the body of a third level?

A: Or perhaps a fourth level soul... remember, as we have described to you before, levels one through four, more appropriately density levels one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were, in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is the first level where short wave cycle recycling is no longer necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore, all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical body at all times when in physical state. And, therefore, reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable. Do you understand?

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[bozadi]

I would also suspect that in an environment that is physical but not inhabited by 3D that it would likely be STO, with strong -unveiled - connection to 5D.

Yeah, this seems to be why the flora and fauna on Earth would ordinarily experience long wave cycling if it was not for humans, who transitioned from the long to the short wave. Since the C's say the long wave is "completely etheric", this seems to contradict the idea that the flora and fauna on the physical plane of the planet would normally be experiencing the (etheric) long wave cycle. I also imagined "etheric (non-physical) fauna and flora" but the expressions like "on the physical plane" and also the fact that they (1D and 2D) would be interacting with (physical) humanity make me think that the C's mean physical 1D and 2D beings. A possibility is that it's impossible for 1D and 2D to be completely etheric even in the long wave but that this doesn't prevent them from having a "completely etheric" experience even if they occupy physical bodies. What does it mean for 1D and 2D beings in physical bodies to have a completely etheric existence? I think this means there is no "veil" for them. As you also mentioned, they would have a conscious and continuous connection with their 5D essence. But this brings the question: Does the concept "veil" apply to 1D and 2D beings who we forced to experience a short, rather than long, wave cycling along with us? Are they now "veiled" or still non-veiled? Or this is matter of mixture? A spectrum of different levels of veiled-ness depending on exposure to human-based intense STS experiences?

 

[bozadi]

in the beginning of this cycle of big bang and all of that, that we originally resided in 5D in a long wave cycle as immature spirit sparks

We already know it was not "5D spirit sparks" but it was Transient Passengers - 6D.

I believe we still are 5D spirits, or, at least, we have a 5D self which is always stationed in 5D, even at this very moment. And it's a very interesting thought whether our 5D self resides in a long or short wave cycle? I think it's logical to suppose that it's in a long wave cycle, although part of it goes to the short wave for physical reincarnation in our case. Another interesting question can be this: Does the same apply to the 5D self of a Lizzie? Or, do they effectively merge with their 5D self when they disincarnate?

I'm not sure, Mari, what you mean by your reference to Transient Passengers. You mean we are also a part of them? The C's say we are part of a fragmented 6D oversoul, or something like that. Maybe this is akin to what you mean to say?

The Cs already answered that levels 1-4D reincarnate - which means both long and short wave cycle.

Yes, I agree with that, thank you. And I suppose the bolded part above means both cycles exist eternally, rather than there's reincarnation in both cycles? Whether reincarnation applies to both of the cycles is another discussion. Can there be such thing as a non-physical reincarnation? I'm not sure, I try to think on it.

 

[axj]

I think there's a very simple fact upon the consideration of which we can easily conclude that the short wave cycle has always existed. The existence of STS beings!!! I don't think that it's possible for STS (let's say 4D STS) beings to exist anywhere but in a short wave cycle.

I think it is better to stay open to different possibilities instead of making premature conclusions.

An important part of objective perception is to see clearly what we do not know for sure and keeping an open mind - instead of becoming attached to certain ideas or beliefs (eg. based on what Maharaj said).

As the C's have pointed out, the answers to some of the big questions aren't simple, but infinitely more complex and largely incomprehensible to us at this point.

We do not know if STS has always existed. Maybe there were Big Bang Grand Cycles where it did not. The C's even mentioned that the number of iterations of the manifested multiverse is extremely large, but not infinite:

August 17, 2003

Q: (A) Was there a big bang?

A: There are many of them!

Q: (Perceval) How many? (Laughter)

A: Got a few years to take down the number?

Ra talks about "previous octaves" of our galactic logos and that even he as a 6D being or collective does not know almost anything about the previous octave or the next octave:

78.10 Questioner: Now, I realize that we are on very difficult ground, you might say, for precise terminology here, since it is totally displaced from our system of coordinates for evaluation in our present system of language.

These early Logoi that formed in the center of the galaxy wished, I assume, to create a system of experience for the One Creator. Did they then start with no previous experience or information about how to do this? This is difficult to ask.

Ra: I am Ra. At the beginning of this creation or, as you may call it, octave there were those things known which were the harvest of the preceding octave. About the preceding creation we know as little as we do of the octave to come. However, we are aware of those pieces of gathered concept which were the tools which the Creator had in the knowing of the self.

These tools were of two kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.

So if even the "history" of previous iterations/octaves of a galaxy or galactic logos is inaccessible, then by extension, the other iterations of the whole cosmos (the very large, but not infinite number of Big Bangs) may be mostly unknowable as well. Except maybe their number which the C's said would take years to write down.

 

[Wandering Star]

We do not know if STS has always existed

If the physical universe was "after" the ethereal or spiritual universe, then Sts and STO option it began to exist with the physical universes, since the third density is needed for the being to choose polarity:

Ra (Law of One)

Session 30 February 24, 1981

QUESTIONER: I'm going to make a statement, which you can correct if it's incorrect. It is this: Creation is a unity. If there is a single entity, then the only concept of service is the concept of service to self. If this single entity subdivides, the concept of service is born from one of its parts to another. From this arises the correspondence between service to self and service to others. It seems that as the Logos subdivides, the parts select each orientation. As individualized entities emerge in space/time, I assume they develop a polarity, is that correct?
RA: I am Ra. This statement demonstrates great insight and is correct except for its last sentence, for we specify that polarities begin to be explored only at the moment a third-density entity recognizes the possibility of choosing between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. This marks the end of what you would call the "consciousness without self," or innocent phase of awareness.

 

[Seato]

Still, I’m grappling with the idea that spiritual/ethereal can have a form of physical body.

In some of the afterlife literature it is mentioned that not only is there often a level of physicality, but life feels more real compared to that on Earth. This idea is even expressed by Pierre in the 2024 October session after his death.

Q: (Joe) Does he have a body of any sort?

A: Yes like it used to be

Q: (L) So basically some form of body that's restored to health from before you got sick?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Does Pierre's experience there feel more real than it did here?

A: Oh yes everything is brighter and more intense

Q: (Joe) Is he aware of his 5D self?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) What is your perception of that? Is it another is part of you or is it a separate being?

A: I am one with myself now

Bringing up this point has suddenly made me a bit unclear on what specifically differentiates ethereal reality from physical reality. Noting that 4D features variable physicality.

So, I will try and list some of the features as I understand them focusing here on physical 3D:

Increased sensate from increased physicality. Note sex is a physical craving and possibly a significant factor in decisions making behind the fall. This is in contrast with physical incarnations seeming less real, is this due to the influence of the unseen world, perhaps it is not so unseen when ethereal.
Being physically incarnated is taxing on the body and soul requiring rest and recharge via sleeping.
In physical 3D you must consume to survive, at least for non STO beings. 4D STS requires physical nourishment to subsist in our realm.
Physical existence appears more finite, includes death. 3D reality features the illusion of linear time (I am not clear whether this is limited to a particular cycle).
4D STS crave the desire to possess 3D bodies without sacrificing their own and may be an aim of their hybrid program. Is this just about power/control and being able to easily interact with 3D beings or is there something else desirable about 3D physicality. The thought of ‘furries’ and humans pretending to be animals came to mind.
3D physicality is the domain of 4D STS bringing additional challenge but also offering opportunities for accelerated growth (short wave cycle.) Probably comparable to the impact of 3D interactions with 2D beings.

 

[Mari]

I believe we still are 5D spirits, or, at least, we have a 5D self which is always stationed in 5D, even at this very moment. And it's a very interesting thought whether our 5D self resides in a long or short wave cycle? I think it's logical to suppose that it's in a long wave cycle, although part of it goes to the short wave for physical reincarnation in our case.

Yes, in a way; it was recently in the session:

Q: (Joe) Does everybody have a 5D self?

A: Yes. Those with souls.

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Also:

Q: (Joe) Do you merge with your fifth density yourself when you go to 5D?

A: Eventually or partially depending on your plan or destiny.

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This "eventually" and "partly" is I believe because of:

...it seems that we need to distinguish between occupying 5th density as a “life-between-life” stage from being a fifth density soul. The latter would mean one had graduated from fourth density and no longer would incarnate there.

Fifth density

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Another interesting question can be this: Does the same apply to the 5D self of a Lizzie? Or, do they effectively merge with their 5D self when they disincarnate?

As I said on my previous post, I think is like Laura wrote in the Wave:

On the STS axis, [4D STS] beings that graduate become more and more “encapsulated” until, at fifth density, they exist completely in entropic thought with no activity whatsoever. At some point, these contractile energies gain sufficient “weight” to graduate to sixth density, at which point, in contact with knowledge of all, they perceive their true function which is to regenerate at level One as primal atoms. They become matter. This occurs at the same instant that STO energies have gained weight on an opposing axis, and rise to union with the One. In short, a constant cycling.

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I'm not sure, Mari, what you mean by your reference to Transient Passengers. You mean we are also a part of them? The C's say we are part of a fragmented 6D oversoul, or something like that. Maybe this is akin to what you mean to say?

Basically, yes that´s what I think.

Laura explains this better than I ever could Here are some links on the topic on Transient Passengers:

Transient Passengers

In recent weeks, the relationships of higher density beings to “one another,” (if there is such a term in relation to 6th density) has come up over and over again. I have to admit that …

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The Wave Chapter 26: The Tree of Life

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Check out also the group´s shorts on Cass YT channel, i.e.:

also:

Yes, I agree with that, thank you.

You´re welcome.

And I suppose the bolded part above means both cycles exist eternally, rather than there's reincarnation in both cycles? Whether reincarnation applies to both of the cycles is another discussion.

My understanding is that both long and short wave always were and always will be, and reincarnation implies going from long wave to short one. It was also mentioned before in the thread:

June 10, 1995:

remember, as we have described to you before, levels one through four, more appropriately density levels one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were, in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is the first level where short wave cycle recycling is no longer necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore, all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical body at all times when in physical state. And, therefore, reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable.

Can there be such thing as a non-physical reincarnation? I'm not sure, I try to think on it.

I don´t think so. Again, ref. to my previous post and the quote above from June 10, 1995. Even 4D is semi-physical - again some physicality is needed.

For example, here is one video explaining all densities:

 

[Moine]

Bringing up this point has suddenly made me a bit unclear on what specifically differentiates ethereal reality from physical reality. Noting that 4D features variable physicality

It's a human issue, since all of your physical senses hold the detriment of limitation. Your eyes can only sense electromagnetic radiation within a limited spectra. Your ears can only perceive sound within limited frames of vibration through a medium. You can only reliably perceive temperature when you're within a certain distance from it. And all of the electromagnetic eddy currents that your body maintains through the electro-chemical interactions and circulation of your bloodstream are forever invisible to you.

You're limited in the sense of what you can perceive, yet there's plenty of things moving around, and within you always. Hence humans perceive that they're inhabiting separate bodies within their environments, but the actual interactions may make these matters more "mixed" than what most people would be willing to accept on a regular basis.

Now, those elements invisible to your physical senses embody not only your physical body, but also your ethereal body, and the lines begin to blur once you notice the effects of environmental electrical radiation, or potential, upon your moods, sensory awareness, general affect or daily vitality of your physical state. In effect, the correspondences become uncanny.

Consider this question: Is the human body separate from the atmosphere which we all collectively breathe in?

To remove that atmosphere, would limit everyone's lifespan to a few minutes. It's almost akin to cutting off a major limb, and expecting to live without blood-loss. Is the body separate from its environment, or is it not. If not, what are any limitations upon the forms that it can take? So then what would a 4D variable body look like? You probably wouldn't be able to perceive it at all, even if it was hanging over your should and reading what you type on the forum. Lol.

But a body is just a form. It's an appearance. The physical and ethereal bodies eventually fade away to what they were made of, once we begin our trips to 5D. The mental bodies get cleaned in 5D. What's leftover through the entire process is an identity, and that's what matches between each and every life. It's what's otherwise referred to as a body-consciousness, and well .... who knows what that actually entails in its totality.

Maybe these bodies are just cups that the waters of our consciousness pour into, and out of.

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But I've seen birds get super friendly with things that just weren't there. Other than a single point of UV-light emission, basically a single, stationary photon of light, that was having idk, some sort of conversation with the bird for several minutes.

I've also seen some dingus (these are polite words) make themselves known by depolarizing a 6 foot tall ellipse of a shape, making themselves pitch black. They subsequently proceed to make some nasty humming noise, while moving across my living room, in the middle of the night, all to de-materialize within a fraction of a second. Yeah...

A "jungle" is an understatement.

 

[bozadi]

We do not know if STS has always existed.

Maybe the following can help:

Q: (L) So it is necessary to have a pathway of service to self in order for the pathway of service to others to exist?

A: Yes.
...
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have the darkness in order to have the light...

A: Yes.

A: There is no positivity without negativity.

A: ...there is simply no way to physicalize a plane of existence which is composed entirely of consciousness. It is the union of perfect balance between the two "states" or planes, that is the foundation and essence of all creation/reality. You cannot have one without the other!

Q: (L) When you say the two states or planes, you are saying the physical state and the state of consciousness...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And you can't have one without the other. And the state of consciousness and the state of material existence are so completely connected, that both are infinite? One cannot exist without the other...

A: Yes, connected, intertwined, bonded... Merged.