Venezuela Situation: US Declares War on 'Narco-Terrorism'

[Alma.Innovadora]

That makes sense, but I think it would be unlikely that the government doesn't know about the various criminal groups. The government would also have an interest in not advertising the reality of the drug-smuggling operations by publicizing the fact that many poor Venezuelans either choose or are coerced into working for drug traffickers.

That's exactly how you mention it. The government of course knows everything just think wrong and you will be right, very simple: "as long as no one is watching, nothing has happened." The problem too is not "knowing" it is locating them, especially when there are high positions involved, even mayors, governors and other networks, which do not necessarily have to be from the political opposition.

And if the population of that area, benefits from it, Stockholm syndrome.

Therefore, there are also Venezuelans who are captured and probably even killed by the same state security agencies in some confrontation in the various operations they carry out. I'm sure they're going to want to control that information and even be selective with families now.

 

[Alejo]

So basically the CIA.

Yes, just doing a simple search for Carvajal, he strikes me as another one of those guys in Venezuela who push the US narrative to give it some legitimacy. He's being quoted all over the MSM in the US as saying that there's drugs and weaponized gangs and so on. He's the guy that the media can point to and say "see? it's Venezuelans themselves saying it, not us..." Which is also a very old trick.

Not saying that Maduro is some sort of saint, he's not. But ironically, Chavez and then Maduro represent to Venezuelan people what Trump does for the working class citizens of the US a political leader that they feel connected with and not a distant carrier politician who plays the game of the deep state, even if it hadn't been articulated as such back when Chavez became president.

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

For further extorsions or negotiations, whatever is called when ever is needed?

Like a double agent?, maybe or maybe he just wanted to play spies on his own because of his position. That is to say, this guy participated in very shady things both on one side and on the other. If he was captured in Spain, he would negotiate with Spain, and so on. The more information he could get, that would be his your currency of exchange when he was accused of something, outside or inside the country, but always waiting to be rescued by the USA.

He doesn't seem like someone very intelligent to me. That kind of "quack made in Venezuela" there are many.

As it has also been shown that historically, there are guys playing for both sides. Carvajal could easily only tell those interested in Venezuela, a single part of the truth, which is convenient to also take care of their back. Especially if those involved in Venezuela do not know the true scope of the machine they have to be implicated later without knowing how.

Besides, as Beau suggests, it must be investigated thoroughly, sif they can know something, even if they are not the ones directly involved, but for 5 minutes of fame.

Typical corrupt drama. The only heaven he has earned, has been to fly to the United States by the intelligence of Spain.

"I am writing to atone for my sins by telling the whole truth, so that America can protect itself from the dangers I witnessed for so many years".

EE.UU, doesn't need to be "saved" by this guy.

Information is power and this man does business with it. We just don't know what percentage of lie and truth mix to create something believable. And in the United States they do that too, they create something "believable enough" to be able to act. Besides, all these guys always go to live in Spain first. So the Pollo was sold by their own bosses. He started "collaborating" with the USA, only after he was captured.

But!, Rome does not pay traitors.

Putting aside all the paraphernalia about the Aragua train and the Cartel of the suns, which is more than all the sensationalism that has been more publicly accepted, he says interesting things that if they are not exposed, I think it is because it also serves the United States to use it against others because in the hypothetical case that Trump or any president in the United States or another country, knows the extent of easily inducing in the world manipulating the votes, I don't think he would be so foolish as to remove these machines and make the world a more "democratic and transparent" place.

I do not rule out that I may know important things, it was not two days in the government and if even someone like me has been able to know sensitive things because precisely, who works for the government, sooner or later knows things before they explode, I cannot doubt even these guys.

But so far, it just looks like a chicken that couldn't escape the plucker, and tries to save its neck.

 

[SummerLite]

Looks possible to me. The one thing arguing against it is that Byrne et al. have been trying to push this info for years now, and haven't had any success. Dominion's lawsuit against Byrne is still going through court, and Robinson is the first journalist to cover his story. Politicians, agencies, cabinet members, media, etc. - no one has wanted to touch it. Russiagate, by contrast, was catapulted onto the airwaves by all of those groups.

I've also heard this whole scenario of Venezuela being involved in the rigging of the 2020 election for a few years now. I think its a matter of timing. There wasn't the correct opportunity to present this information before now but now its time. I expect there will be a lot more coming out. Robinson is disappointing. Many people are proving themselves to be recently.

One other possibility is that the Venezuela angle is overblown, but the core facts are correct and no one wants to touch it because exposing the fraud of so many elections would delegitimize hundreds if not thousands of elections over the past decades. No one wants that. In his book, Pezzulo claims Byrne et al. had access to the engineers that wrote the Smartmatic source code, and they demonstrated for them how it works, replicating one of the stolen county elections from 2020. If even just that element is true, it's pretty damning.

Yea, it's a giant can of worms implicating a lot of people to put it lightly. I notice in the field of comments when a new topic emerges that people start talking about, bringing attention to. Right now the CIA is being focused on all of a sudden. In a better world one could imagine it's time to expose all that and give them the boot. Eventually everything will be exposed to the larger population I suspect.

 

[axj]

Although China has stock piled, taken control of rare minerals, built up their military, advanced around the world, they are totally dependent on buying their oil from other countries, their weak spot. If they lost this they'd be shut down quite quickly.

China gets only 7% of its oil from Venezuela, most of it comes from the Middle East and Russia. And the transport from Venezuela to China is actually shorter through the Atlantic and Indian oceans than through the Panama canal and the Pacific.

Right now the CIA is being focused on all of a sudden.

Is it really? It looks like the CIA is continuing playing its games and pushing its narratives in the media. It is in fact "former CIA operatives" who are pushing the "Venezuela stole our election" BS currently:

Trump’s DoJ investigating unfounded claims Venezuela helped steal 2020 election

Exclusive: Discredited election-rigging conspiracy theory could strengthen Trump’s military action against Maduro

www.theguardian.com

 

[irjO]

Not saying that Maduro is some sort of saint, he's not. But ironically, Chavez and then Maduro represent to Venezuelan people what Trump does for the working class citizens of the US a political leader that they feel connected with and not a distant carrier politician who plays the game of the deep state, even if it hadn't been articulated as such back when Chavez became president.

Precisely, Maduro is as “saint” as Trump is a “saint”. The parallelism between the two is big, both represents the people’s will in their own way. Technically is the “best” there is to represent people’s will under the circumstances. The difference is that Trump is way better at making deals than maduro that’s for sure. But Maduro is a bit smarter on who to trust and it’s not egoistic as Trump is, or at least from what I’ve seen.

 

[SummerLite]

China gets only 7% of its oil from Venezuela, most of it comes from the Middle East and Russia. And the transport from Venezuela to China is actually shorter through the Atlantic and Indian oceans than through the Panama canal and the Pacific.

Shutting down 7%, if accurate, could also send a message even if only a dint in China's oil supply. The Atlantic looks to be shut down by the US fleet at the moment. There has also been proof China has helped with the US invasion by building camps and sending Chinese nationals to S America that ended up in the US. Human trafficking including children has now been added to the list for V.

I notice in the field of comments when a new topic emerges that people start talking about, bringing attention to. Right now the CIA is being focused on all of a sudden

Is it really? It looks like the CIA is continuing playing its games and pushing its narratives in the media. It is in fact "former CIA operatives" who are pushing the "Venezuela stole our election" BS currently:

Sometimes I have intuitive flashes which I pay attention to and a grassroots look at the CIA is one that happened recently. Over the last 4 years I've learned to pay attention more and develop my intuition because it's become a more trusted guide in current events then so much BS thats circulated. We'll see if anything comes of it. The Guardian article is slanted to the disproven claim the 2020 elections weren't stolen. Claiming some judge said the Venezuelan influence was false is a red flag considering the judicial system has been captured by the DS. We can expect a ton of sh*t dumping on these claims. I'll have a look at the proof and the other witness testimony if we are fortunate to hear it.

 

[SummerLite]

There has also been proof China has helped with the US invasion by building camps and sending Chinese nationals to S America that ended up in the US.

Check out the videos in this article. These are mainly young Chinese men being sent. Do a search on Yandex for many articles on the subject much of this was reported by Michael Yon.

Chinese Communist Military-Age Men Are Invading the USA

While the US Senate looks... to spend billions in borrowed dollars from China to mend the borders of other nations, Chinese Communists...

www.independentsentinel.com

 

[axj]

Shutting down 7%, if accurate, could also send a message even if only a dint in China's oil supply. The Atlantic looks to be shut down by the US fleet at the moment. There has also been proof China has helped with the US invasion by building camps and sending Chinese nationals to S America that ended up in the US. Human trafficking including children has now been added to the list for V.

I do not remotely buy this "Chinese boogeyman" narrative - it seems to be an attempt to get MAGA people to see China as the enemy instead of the deep state.

Is there any indication that Chinese illegal migrants have been "sent" by China? Or are they simply doing it on their own? They are mostly young men, but that tends to be the demographic that illegally crosses into Europe too. Probably because it is too dangerous for women.

The US is illegally interfering in Venezuela under false pretexts. If anyone needs to be 'sent a message' it would be the US.

 

[SummerLite]

I do not remotely buy this "Chinese boogeyman" narrative - it seems to be an attempt to get MAGA people to see China as the enemy instead of the deep state.

If I get the time I'll look for the videos that show more of the Chinese set up in SA. Your statement here is what is the usual comment when China is critized in some way which leads to dismissing any evidence of wrong doing. I'm not going to dismiss China being involved in the DS. They certainly profited from the DS/globalists under Biden. The boarders where wide open to all, why wouldn't China get involved?

I haven't seen MAGA jumping on China to blame. From what I've seen their criticism lands hard on their own government (a globalist/DS operation under Biden).

The US is illegally interfering in Venezuela under false pretexts.

I'm not convinced of that and I'll be looking at what evidence is presented with the election rigging among other things. There are many aspects popping up for the situation in V and I'm going to have a look at what comes up. I presented here one such possibility. As is the general condition of things, the public is left in the dark and fed lies. It requires being critical of whats presented which I think you understand.

 

[axj]

If I get the time I'll look for the videos that show more of the Chinese set up in SA. Your statement here is what is the usual comment when China is critized in some way which leads to dismissing any evidence of wrong doing. I'm not going to dismiss China being involved in the DS.

It is certainly possible that China has some sort of 'arrangement' with the globalists and that nationalists like Trump want the US empire to prevail instead of a "globalist future". And of course China has its own intelligence services, which can be involved in operations against the US.

The problem is that the CIA, Mossad, MI6 and so on seem to be doing A LOT more clandestine operations around the world - and singling out a few examples of China's "wrong doing" seems disingenious. What is even a "Chinese set up in South America"? Some countries here cooperate with China on various levels, how is that a "wrong doing"?

I haven't seen MAGA jumping on China to blame.

Really? I have seen more than enough of this "China's communists are taking over America" narrative in conservative circles.

I'm not convinced of that and I'll be looking at what evidence is presented with the election rigging among other things. There are many aspects popping up for the situation in V and I'm going to have a look at what comes up. I presented here one such possibility. As is the general condition of things, the public is left in the dark and fed lies. It requires being critical of whats presented which I think you understand.

The "fentanyl from Venezuela" story is definitely false (almost no fentanyl comes from or through Venezuela). And even if someone in Venezuela was involved in the US election rigging, how is that going to be solved in any way by military means? Not to mention that US election rigging is certainly organized by groups within the US itself and not by Venezuelans.

Then you have the C's statement that Trump's actions towards Venezuela are about gaining total control over its oil (Venezuela has even more oil than Saudi Arabia). Hoping that all this will turn out being some sort of "Trump 4D chess" seems to be most likely wishful thinking.

 

[SummerLite]

The problem is that the CIA, Mossad, MI6 and so on seem to be doing A LOT more clandestine operations around the world - and singling out a few examples of China's "wrong doing" seems disingenious. What is even a "Chinese set up in South America"? Some countries here cooperate with China on various levels, how is that a "wrong doing"?

I agree with this as far as I know. These are the tools of the DS. "and singling out a few examples of China's "wrong doing" seems disingenuous". I don't see how that's disingenuous, if they're being destructive even on a smaller scale then other players then its a problem and needs to be addressed. I never said MI6 etc., weren't involved. When I say "globalists" I assume we all know these groups are involved.

Really? I have seen more than enough of this "China's communists are taking over America" narrative in conservative circles.

I never read beforeitsnews because I consider them to be extreme and unreliable. The more right leaning media I follow who share the values of what's called MAGA aren't blaming China for the state we find ourselves in even when the issues about China arise. The corrupt government is blamed for allowing China to cross boundaries they shouldn't if anything. Generally, the regular people of the country who support MAGA and Trump aren't complaining about China . The destruction by the Bidens has been appalling and the main gripe for all of us. Some conservatives follow those types of sites I'm sure but I don't see evidence of a great influence in the population as a whole. The majority isn't glued to X either.

The "fentanyl from Venezuela" story is definitely false (almost no fentanyl comes from or through Venezuela). And even if someone in Venezuela was involved in the US election rigging, how is that going to be solved in any way by military means? Not to mention that US election rigging is certainly organized by groups within the US itself and not by Venezuelans.

I haven't paid attention to the fentanyl claim since I dismissed that as well. It's only the precursors for the drug thats shipped from China. Has some of this come into V, maybe, I don't know.

And even if someone in Venezuela was involved in the US election rigging, how is that going to be solved in any way by military means?

Thats a good question. It makes sense if more is involved then just this. The rigging of US elections is known to be organized by groups in the US, there's no question about that. However, there is a international component to it as well and where the globalists come in. The claims at this time are Venezuela is a part of the international cartel thats involved in election rigging for other countries as well.
It remains to be seen what evidence will come out about this.

Another possibility is implementing the Monroe Doctrine which is being discussed. The plans to destroy the US as a sovereign country have been underway for many years. Taking actions that actually make the country more successful in any way thats positive have been squelched. This has been happening to our neighbors in this hemisphere as well. Canada, Mexico.

We'll assume control over the oil is the main objective, besides just being corrupt and greedy could there be other reasons? Keep all that oil in this hemisphere and control where it goes for some reason. I won't pretend I have all or any of the answers. Thats why I remain open to what comes up.

I'm not interested in the 4d chess meme. The people of the US elected Trump to get the DS out of here. I trust that is his purpose and I see he's doing that which isn't without difficulties. Call it delusional or wishful thinking, thats where I stand. ALL have plans on how to succeed. Moves and counter moves and it could be compared to a game of chess, thats just reality. In some ways I'm an optimist at heart, its annoying I suppose.

Also, The US hasn't actually invaded Venezuela at this point or am I missing something?

The Monroe Doctrine was articulated in President James Monroe's seventh annual message to Congress on December 2, 1823. The European powers, according to Monroe, were obligated to respect the Western Hemisphere as the United States' sphere of interest.

President James Monroe’s 1823 annual message to Congress contained the Monroe Doctrine, which warned European powers not to interfere in the affairs of the Western Hemisphere.

Understandably, the United States has always taken a particular interest in its closest neighbors – the nations of the Western Hemisphere. Equally understandably, expressions of this concern have not always been favorably regarded by other American nations.

The Monroe Doctrine is the best known U.S. policy toward the Western Hemisphere. Buried in a routine annual message delivered to Congress by President James Monroe in December 1823, the doctrine warns European nations that the United States would not tolerate further colonization or puppet monarchs. The doctrine was conceived to meet major concerns of the moment, but it soon became a watchword of U.S. policy in the Western Hemisphere.

The Monroe Doctrine was invoked in 1865 when the U.S. government exerted diplomatic and military pressure in support of the Mexican President Benito Juárez. This support enabled Juárez to lead a successful revolt against the Emperor Maximilian, who had been placed on the throne by the French government.

Almost 40 years later, in 1904, European creditors of a number of Latin American countries threatened armed intervention to collect debts. President Theodore Roosevelt promptly proclaimed the right of the United States to exercise an "international police power" to curb such "chronic wrongdoing," in his so-called Roosevelt Corollary (or extension) to the Monroe Doctrine.

While the Monroe Doctrine’s message was designed to keep European powers out of the Western Hemisphere, Roosevelt would strengthen its meaning to justify sending the United States into other countries of the Western Hemisphere. As a result, U.S. Marines were sent into Santo Domingo in 1904, Nicaragua in 1911, and Haiti in 1915, ostensibly to keep the Europeans out. Other Latin American nations viewed these interventions with misgiving, and relations between the “great Colossus of the North” and its southern neighbors remained strained for many years.

In 1962, the Monroe Doctrine was invoked symbolically when the Soviet Union began to build missile-launching sites in Cuba. With the support of the Organization of American States, President John F. Kennedy threw a naval and air quarantine around the island. After several tense days, the Soviet Union agreed to withdraw the missiles and dismantle the sites. Subsequently, the United States dismantled several of its obsolete air and missile bases in Turkey.