How My Aunt Marge Ended Up in the Deep Freeze . . .
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Str!ke
Padawan Learner
Sounds kinda like the thread where some persons kidnap someone and cooks them.
And now knowing that the cosmic mind sends many clues or that the mass consciousness signals to itself, even in movies, better to pay attention to it.
Also I don't remember from where I read it but, supposedly movies from 10 years ago or less also tell clues about the future in about 10 years in advance..
Which reminds of the moviee"The Day after tomorrow" realeased in 2006 plus 10years=2016
Or the animated movie "Ice Age" released in 2002 plus 10=2012
Or the videogame "Lost Planet (the theme is similar to Ice Age and more things)" released 2004 plus 10= 2014
(hmm seems a bit offtopic)
But then again, I may be saying nonsense or forcing those numbers out.
Could there be important clues in the movie you mention?, hmm.
Anyway thanks for sharing
Tigersoap
The Living Force
I have seen the movie and from the impression it made on me (At least on how I recall it now) I don't think it really showed how psychopathic "Bernie" was, although it does portray well how such character can swindle a whole town about who they really are.
I guess that if you watch this movie without any knowledge of psychopathy it won't open your eyes.
Not that it's not interesting to watch, especially because it is cut with short interviews of real people who have known the couple but the movie manages to make Bernie look very sympathetic (perhaps on purpose), as if he did not know why he killed her after all.
It seems to me that the movie fails to show the predation (from both sides ?) and disregard the darker side of that relationship.
It made me think of another movie called "I love you Philip Morris' with Jim Carrey and Ewan McGregor who portrays another psychopath but trying to make him funny and lovable.
Underwhelming is the word that keeps coming up for me to describe the movie osit.
Another portrayal of a psychopath, which was more interesting to me is 'Sleep well' (Mientras duermes in Spanish) because it does not try to make the character sympathetic although most everyone falls for it and just think of him as a poor harmless guy instead.
I guess that if you watch this movie without any knowledge of psychopathy it won't open your eyes.
Not that it's not interesting to watch, especially because it is cut with short interviews of real people who have known the couple but the movie manages to make Bernie look very sympathetic (perhaps on purpose), as if he did not know why he killed her after all.
It seems to me that the movie fails to show the predation (from both sides ?) and disregard the darker side of that relationship.
It made me think of another movie called "I love you Philip Morris' with Jim Carrey and Ewan McGregor who portrays another psychopath but trying to make him funny and lovable.
Underwhelming is the word that keeps coming up for me to describe the movie osit.
Another portrayal of a psychopath, which was more interesting to me is 'Sleep well' (Mientras duermes in Spanish) because it does not try to make the character sympathetic although most everyone falls for it and just think of him as a poor harmless guy instead.
I don't think that it is about Bernie being a psychopath at all; I think it is about Aunt Marge being a toxic narcissist and how such people can drive anyone to do anything to obtain relief. Bernie was a narcissist enabler if anything. A really nice, naive guy.
Tigersoap
The Living Force
Ah ok, Bernie as depicted in the movie did not strike me as a naive guy, why would he hide the body for months in a freezer and kept lying about it while going on with his lifestyle ?Laura said:
I don't know maybe labelling him a psychopath is a bit hasty but I am not buying that he was such a nice guy.
Tigersoap
The Living Force
Sure did.Nienna Eluch said:
I thought about it and I am willing to be in error about Bernie but it's still strikes me as very odd.
Maybe for me the hardest part is that even if Marge was truly evil, I have difficulties to accept that the murder and hiding of the body seem to be just a 'detail' because he was so nice and all.
The only way I can wrap my head around the story is if Bernie had cleaned up the earth of a horrible person as some kind of karmic balancing (?) or something.
So I don't really know after all.
SethianSeth
Jedi
I thought that Bernie was one of the most fascinating films of the year. The discussion that has happened so far on this thread is the main reason why. I felt that Linklater (the director) deliberately blurred the lines regarding manipulation to make this film difficult to dismiss or categorize in one way. My wife and I were talking about it for days. All you have is the subjective hearsay and feelings of the townspeople and some very specific actions from Bernie and Marge. Everything else is left to the viewer to work through.
If anything, I think that the film bolsters the notion that psychopathy cannot be adequately discerned without a dedicated network as we have here (the woeful inadequacy of the "justice system" to deal with such things, as that system is itself built for and by manipulators) and also how narcissistic wounding can be both overt and covert, have both subjectively "positive" and "negative" outcomes, and propagates itself through communities. At very least, this film provides fertile ground to discuss these psychology concepts.
Not to mention the performances are stellar. Jack Black has never been more compelling. This is how I experienced it, fwiw!
If anything, I think that the film bolsters the notion that psychopathy cannot be adequately discerned without a dedicated network as we have here (the woeful inadequacy of the "justice system" to deal with such things, as that system is itself built for and by manipulators) and also how narcissistic wounding can be both overt and covert, have both subjectively "positive" and "negative" outcomes, and propagates itself through communities. At very least, this film provides fertile ground to discuss these psychology concepts.
Not to mention the performances are stellar. Jack Black has never been more compelling. This is how I experienced it, fwiw!
Laura said:
What struck me was the reaction of her immediate family, refusing to talk with the nephew and saying all that the nasty stuff about her was just rumor. Reminds me of the discussion in Ponerology about the frontal characteropath woman and the effect she had on her family. Bernie did seem to me to be a well-meaning guy who got pushed over the edge...
Tigersoap
The Living Force
Yup, I based my opinion mostly on the movie but not taking into account other factors.Laura said:
I am so used to see portrayals of psychopathic characters in a positive way that I have a hard time to think otherwise if someone seems to fit the profile but that's a mistake.
Mrs.Tigersoap
The Living Force
Until I read the article, I must say I was sharing Tigersoap's point of view: I saw the movie a while ago and I am so used to Hollywood glorifying and embellishing psychopathic characters that I immediately thought this was the case with Bernie. I did not put too much stock on their story. I thought they probably had exaggerated his grand gestures, etc. to make him more likeable. Also, leaving the body in the freezer for 9 months while continuing his life as if nothing had happened and spending her money reminded me of so many psychopaths. And I'll readily admit that I am also soooo not used to people being genuinely that good that I was wondering where was the catch. Just goes to show... Interesting thread, thank you!
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Hildegarda
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Tigersoap said:
This kind of thing makes more sense if the abuser is a violent male and the nice victim who finally snaps is a petite female. But here an abuser is a very elderly lady nearing the end of her life cycle naturally as it is. While the nice victim is a young male who couldn't wait to inherit her multimillion-dollar fortune in order to spend it. Bernie does strike me as odd as well. He had a lot going for him in this relationship, he gained a great deal, and he clearly has a narrative in his mind that reasons away what he did and doesn't include remorse. Marge though, she is obviously toxic. It may just be a case when the two parties are worth each other, deserve each other, and are each other's karmic retributions so to speak. fwiw,
