France - Charlie Hebdo Attack

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liam1310 said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/cartoonist-recounts-slaughter-french-terror-attack-article-1.2068983

quote from article linked above
"Corinne Rey survived Wednesday’s massacre at the Parisian magazine Charlie Hebdo, but was forced to key in the security code to let gunmen — who went on to kill 12 — into the offices. She had just returned to work after picking up her daughter from school when she was ambushed by men who ‘spoke perfect French’ and ‘said they were from Al Qaeda".

im thinking they let her live for a reason just watched the video how they murdered the police officer he didn't have a chance they seemed calm
like they new they had time to get away the one who shot the officer wanted to walk further down the road but looks like had second thoughts then to hijack another car why not have one waiting or maybe they did or got picked up


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting-12-dead-after-gunmen-storm-newspaper-s-hq-1.2892151
"The witness, who refused to allow his name to be used because he feared for his safety, said the attackers were so methodical he first mistook them for France's elite anti-terrorism forces. Then they fired on the officer".
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Or their military training comes to action? Eliminate everyone in uniform who could pose danger to them. Mechanical reaction.

Eboard10 said:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csb2SqVAl78

The link shows the video of the shooting of the policeman with the following comments: "No blood + no recoil + no body movement = fake". When you look at the video, he does have a point.

Another interesting comment from the aangirfan post, claiming it's a Mossad job:
_http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/

"Amchai Stein, the deputy editor of Israeli IBA Channel 1, just happened to be at the scene and has been posting photos of the shooting."
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IMO he does not have a point. Recoil of the automatic gun is really not so strong, especially when specialist is shooting (and he really holds the gun like specialist, and moves like one). The gun never goes spraying all around like in the movies. There is very little smoke also, and that depends on the quality of the ammunition used (for the recoil and the smoke I can say from personal experience since I was shooting from the same type of the gun). In the real life, human body does not tumbling and jumping around when it is been shot at, it just stands still. The blood also not spraying around when bullets hits the body, the bullets are piercing through the body, very rarely chip of the chunks of the body (like in the movies). The blood would be seen later, on the pavement under the body.

I remember one book written by one war reporter where he says that when the man who is running is hit with the rafal fire, he continues to run for maybe 10-20 meters before falling down.
Real shooting seems to be very different from "bullet hits, body flies two meters in the back" Hollywood style.
 
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Very sane analysis on the movements and behaving of the killers. Surprisingly from the Sky news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblm57WWMbU
 
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According to French media, the shooters Saïd and Cherif Kouachi, were identified from their ID cards left in the Citroën C3 car they left during their escape. This is reminiscent of the indestructible passports found after 9/11. The youngest, was jailed in 2008 for participating in a sending French Jihadists to Iraq. After that, it seems that the French "intelligence" just forgot about them.
_http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/attentat-a-charlie-hebdo-les-trois-suspects-auraient-ete-identifies-07-01-2015-1894787_23.php
The third person, Hamyd Mourad, 18yrs old, is said to have been in class during the shooting according to his classmates at the Charleville-Mézieres high school: _http://lapauseinfo.fr/mourad-hamyd-3eme-suspect-de-lattaque-contre-charlie-hebdo-7965/
 
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Ellipse said:
A point that look strange to me is that there was an high-speed car chase with the police between point 2 and 3. And at point 3 (Porte de Pantin), the police lose the track of the car.
Oh no!
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Out of all the events that have been reported, this is the one that caught my attention the most. How did they wreak such havoc with the police at their heels, in the middle of Paris, on a weekday and escape into nowhere? That seems preposterous.
 
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There was a second shooting this morning, in my town !

_http://rt.com/news/220771-charlie-hebdo-shooting-manhunt/

RT said:
One police officer has been severely injured in the shooting near La porte de Chatillon, on the outskirts of Paris, French media report. The incident follows police raids after the attack on the satirical Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris.

The attack, which happened on Wednesday in the French capital, killed 10 journalists and two policemen. Eleven more people were wounded and four of them are in a serious condition.

One man has opened fire at two police officers, injuring one seriously, reported French Radio RTL. The shooter was reportedly arrested.
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And the two presumed shooters from yesterday's shooting presumably fled to Reims, which is my hometown.
 
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Looks like they want a civil war in France, they're gonna have it :

_http://rt.com/news/220795-france-blast-mosque-restaurant/

RT said:
Blast hits restaurant near mosque in France's east - reports
An explosion has been reported in a restaurant near a mosque in Villefranche-sur-Saone, eastern France. There are no reports of any injuries and the cause of the blast remains unknown.

The blast reportedly occurred around 6 am local time, according to the local newspaper Le Progress. The window of a nearby fast food restaurant was shattered by the explosion.

Police have cordoned off the area, and firefighters were dispatched to the scene.

"I am afraid that is linked to the dramatic event that occurred on Wednesday," the mayor of Villefranche Perrut Bernard, who was at the scene of the blast, told the French daily.

On Wednesday, 10 journalists and two policemen were killed after gunmen opened fire on the Paris office of the French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo.

Police have launched a manhunt for three suspects, identified as Said Kouachi, 34, Cherif Kouachi, 32, and Hamyd Mourad, 18.

The youngest suspect, Mourad, reportedly handed himself in at a police station in Charleville Mezieres after seeing his name on the list of shooting suspects on social media.

Thousands of people across the world have reacted to the shooting, which is believed to have been carried out in retaliation to the controversial cartoons by Charlie Hebdo, targeting religion and particularly the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.
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Yesterday we were listening about the shooting in RFI. They interviewed a woman, on the street that was there at the right moment. Listening to her I saw that she was talking too well, like a French reporter. You know that all the French reporters have the same expressions in their language, the same tonalities, the same tempo, it is something very peculiar in them, they are recognizable everywhere. They have almost the same voice. So this woman was talking like a reporter but she was not, supposedly. She expressed everything, how she saw two gun men, the shootings, even that she help a deaf man that was walking in the sector unaware of what was happening in a perfect language, clear, not nervous at all, like a good reporter.
 
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Holy cow...

_http://rt.com/news/220819-attack-mosque-france-paris/

RT said:
Grenades thrown at a mosque in Le Mans, west of Paris - reports

Several training grenades were thrown into the courtyard of a mosque in the French city of Le Mans. One of the grenades exploded, but no injuries were reported.

Four training grenades were thrown onto the property on Thursday morning, the local French daily Ouest-France reports. Police have cordoned off the mosque and so far no arrests have been made.
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There have been and still are many so called anti-islamic demonstrations organized by so called political right movement PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West): _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEGIDA. The demonstrations started at the end of October 2014 in Dresden and currently are held in several other German big cities (_http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30685842). There are also anti-PEGIDA demonstrations but there was not much violence between them so far. Nevertheless it looks like these protests will be escalating in the near future in Germany. Is there any connection with shootings in France? Are PTBs playing the "Radical Islamists" card out?
 
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_http://rt.com/news/220523-deadly-attack-french-newspaper/

05:59 GMT:
The third suspect, 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad, said he was in college at the time the massacre happened in the headquarters of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in central Paris, reported French iTele.

02:31 GMT:
The 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad reportedly handed himself in at a police station in Charleville Mézières after seeing his name on the list of shooting suspects on social media, French media reports.

According to French channel iTele, Mourad claims to have alibi of his innocence, which is being investigated.
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It looks like just like the Boston Bombings, when they declared who the suspects where then 'went on a manhunt' - what's the odds the suspects are 'shot in a standoff'? It also looks like something on the scale of 9/11 playing out too (i.e. global), and following the exact playbook too.
 
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Similar report from 21stcenturywire, the article also compares the shooting to the Boston Bombing.

Dead Men Walking? French Police Release Photos of 2 Likely Patsies

_http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/07/dead-men-walking-french-police-release-photos-of-2-likely-patsies/

According to AFP, “after seeing his name circulating on social media”, 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad has since surrendered to local police at 23:00 local time and taken into custody late Wednesday evening.

Other reports reveal however, that Mourad was in fact in class while the shooting was taking place in downtown Paris. It is more likely then that student Mourad has in fact turned himself in to police in order to avoid harm. If you follow the trending French hashtag, #MouradHamydInnocent, it is said to have been started by Mourad’s classmates who say he was with them at the time of the attack. It’s worth pointing out straight away, that if police have mixed-up their first ‘suspect’ (which it appears they have), then this lowers the likelihood that their other two ‘suspects’ are genuine. [...]

If this story plays out like previous high-profile ‘terror’ scenarios, then expect that both brothers Cherif and Said will go the way of the Tsarnaev Brothers, from the 2013 Boston Bombing. The fate of older brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was recruited by US security services as a federal informant before the alleged bombing took place, was tragic. It turns out that Tamerlan was alive and well while initially in police custody – a fact blacked-out by the US media, but reported here at 21WIRE. Later on it appears that he was in fact killed in police custody before his mutilated body was dumped off at the local morgue.

As 21WIRE reported at the time, younger brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev narrowly escaped with his life during arrest, and was most likely severely injured while in custody.

Like with the Tsarnaevs, when authorities release the photos in public, it almost guarantees that the suspects will never make it out alive, and hence, will never tell their story in public.

Cherif and Said could very well be ‘dead men walking’ now, as police almost certainly be shooting to kill.
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Report: Two Paris magazine attack suspects located in north France http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.635931

According to French media, they were found the Aisne commune and were driving in the direction of Paris in a white Renault Clio. They reportedly were wearing masks and rain coats, and their weapons were visible from the back of the vehicle.
Earlier, the youngest of three French suspects turned himself in to police, an official at the Paris prosecutor's office said. Several people linked to two other suspected attackers were also in custody, the news agency AFP reported.
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I just find it a bit strange they would be driving in masks and having the weapons clearly visible in the back of the car. If anything, they would likely be having them close to hand or just in the back.
 
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In the following video (in French), Chérif Kouachi, one of the alleged killers appears in this documentary dated from 2005 (just after the London bombings)... at 1:05. And then his mother talks about his own experiment as potential jihadist in Irak. I do not know if this can be relevant, just in case.
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcf_wali8nc&sns=fb

This documentary was made by national French TV (mainstream) with Nicolas Sarkozy invited to talk about muslim terrorism.

The thing about Chérif Kouachi, is that it is said that he knows he was endoctrined for going to fight and die in Irak. So if he knew at this moment, what happens between 2005 and today? At 1:06, Yan Bouris (not sure about the spell of the name), a social worker who talked with Chérif several times while he was in jail is interviewed and he says that, with the stand-back Chérif is happy for not going to Irak to fight and die. Then we ear that Chérif was arrested and send into jail... Well, in jail, as Merah.

The thing is that we can read here and there that Chérif Kouachi was in jail in 2008 and for three years of which 18 months suspended...

Les frères Kouachi sont bien connus des autorités: en 2008, l'aîné, Chérif, avait été condamné à trois ans de prison, dont 18 mois avec sursis, pour sa participation à la filière irakienne du 19e arrondissement, une cellule de recrutement et d'envoi de djihadistes en Irak.

Translation: The Kouachi brothers are well known to the authorities: in 2008, the eldest, Sharif, was sentenced to three years in prison, 18 months suspended, for his involvement in the Iraqi sector of the 19th arrondissement, a recruitment cell and sending jihadists in Iraq.
_http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1512395-20150108-charlie-hebdo-police-recherche-freres-kouachi-issus-filiere-irakienne-19e-arrondissement
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In the documentary - 2005 - they say he was in jail where he met the social worker. Isn't there a confusion of dates or is it me? Did I miss something here?

Edit: clarity
 
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Another thing that crossed my mind in reference to the Sydney hostage situation - the resulting support for muslims

_http://rt.com/news/214475-sydney-illridewithyou-cafe-hostages/
Australian Twitter users have shown their support for their Muslim neighbors with a spontaneous campaign, offering to ride with them on buses and trains, or give them a lift to work to ensure their safety as the Sydney hostage situation continues.

It all started with a young Sydney woman, Rachael Jacobs, who posted her Facebook status about how she met a Muslim woman and who evidently felt intimidated by taking public transport amid the siege.

“…and the (presumably) Muslim woman sitting next to me on the train silently removes her hijab,” she wrote, “I ran after her at the train station. I said ‘put it back on. I’ll walk with you.”
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For me that seemed genuinely human, and I'm pondering the lack of anything like that in this case.

The symbolism of the French satirical cartoon agency too - just as 9/11 was the 'heart of America', what does this cartoon agency stand for symbolically among the French? Is this a way to get over the message of 'they hate us for our freedoms'?
What is the meme 'I'm with Charley' really saying? Is it a channeling of 'humans coming together through social media' into a lie?

Someone thought about these targets for a specific psychological (culturally specific) effect/mass manipulation purposes, so what is the message/meme they attempting spread? I'm pondering this wondering if it's something that could be potentially countered through social media fwiw.
 
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RedFox said:
What is the meme 'I'm with Charley' really saying? Is it a channeling of 'humans coming together through social media' into a lie?
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Cartoonists from around the world have taken to draw sketches in support to "freedom of speech" and the killing of Charlie Hebdo staff. They are all over the internet, here's a sample from the Time:

_http://time.com/3658535/charlie-hebdo-cartoon-paris-terror/

I was reading on sott today that one of the two officers killed in the attack was actually a Muslim himself:

http://www.sott.net/article/291079-One-police-officer-killed-during-the-attack-in-Paris-was-a-Muslim
 
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