Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Mariusz, you seem really invested in a very dark view of the universe. You may want to consider that the conclusions you have come to are based only on this particular neighborhood in the universe.MariuszJ said:
Session 4 April 2015
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Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Then what you wrote above makes no sense at all. If there is an STO network, if one STO entity gains, that doesn't mean that another must lose, even if 50% of the souls are STS.MariuszJ said:
It seems to me that a universe with 100% STO would be kind of ridiculous, unbalanced, and would offer few opportunities for learning.
Maybe you just want to have it easy.
Kisito
Jedi Council Member
This is perhaps one of the reasons that make me think that the STO path is longer to acquire. I think the STS must go their way after being 100% STS. But I think that being 100% STS, it is not possible to return to 6D. Also I think the 4D for STS should be in two parts, ie when they become 100% STS, they must begin a primer or a return path STO .. If this scenario is possible, then it must that it is the percentage return to 6D? Equilibrium density STS / STOPsalehesost said:
MariuszJ said:
I wonder if it is really possible to fully grasp on this level of learning the UNITY that is the Infinite Creator. As I understand it, the polarity that we play with is chosen by us to completely understand all the facets of the One which also within ourselves. This would include separation, for there would not be a balanced whole if it were not present. At 6D it is present for reflection and I imagine that in 7D or Unity, this dilemma is resolved. In Unity there is absolutely no difference (right of free will) between one arriving through STS or STO, as they are dual and valid methods of expression.
It is tough here because it seems one has to jump up to a higher or eagle eye view to even slightly understand...while still witnessing incredible suffering and unfairness on this plane. It also seems as there has been an influx of especially sinister characters of late who cleverly orchestrate the most foul deeds while we sleep or feel helpless.
I agree with what others have said...the power of the group has an energetic cohesiveness to go beyond the "sinkhole of indifference"
electrosonic
Jedi
Miss.K said:
The problem is that we don't properly understand yet what is meant by '6D STS reflections' , so from a certain point of view MariuszJ may be right.
sitting
Dagobah Resident
Laura said:
Hi Laura,
I agree wholeheartedly.
It is asymmetrical warfare. Almost designed that way to guarantee an orderly & viable process of value fulfillment.
My difficulty sometimes comes with those infinite permutations. Which by definition, means a set of outcomes that are not so logical nor favorable. And I wonder what the Divine Mind does with those. Recycling perhaps.
Or maybe information NOT arranged by truths are simply denied consciousness. That may work.
Divide by Zero
The Living Force
MariuszJ said:
It may be so, but that is the balance. As Laura wrote in the wave, there is "To Be" and "Not to Be". For something to exist out of nothing, there has to be an equal and opposite reflection. It can be explained in math. Start with 0. If there is a 1, you need to have -1 also both of which add up to 0. (1 -1 = 0)
Also, as STS beings, we have a severely limited perspective to what being STO in an STO world would be like. Many times the C's have told Laura that they couldn't explain it in our terms. It's like trying to run a computer program in another computer that doesn't process things the same way.
Miss.K
Dagobah Resident
electrosonic said:
Ok I might be totally off, but the way I understand what is meant by '6D STS reflections' is I imagine that if I live in a world with no one being STS and no evil happens, then sometimes I would have a thought of some terrible evil, like looking at (or remembering) 2D 3D 4D and seeing suffering. Or while contemplating if it is a good idea to give Lizzies what they ask for I would for a moment vision how that would be for the universe.
And I imagine that though the C's are also some kind of thought form, or non physical intelligence/emotion, that they can have a thought that doesn't manifest, but still exist as a thought...?
sitting
Dagobah Resident
electrosonic said:
There may be clues within the Long cycle versus Short cycle thingy.
And my guess is it's got to do with the intensity of differentiation, and the urgency of it's resolution (via conflict)--back towards the undifferentiated. Back towards the Union with the One.
As you move closer back to the source (in 6th), that intensity gets less and less (hence a mere reflection)--which then vanishes when unity is achieved. But this is only a guess. FWIW.
PS
I tend to think that the intensity is greatest at the mid-point, at 4th D.
The "reflections" of STS in 6th Density are not unified entities, as the C's said. And they've also said that 4D is the last as STS entities. Those 4D STS that don't switch to STO at some point can't advance to higher densities and will "disintegrate"/implode back down to primordial matter at 1st density, as the C's have explained.
@Psalehesost, that was a very helpful elaboration. Helps to deepen pondering. Thanks.
It's MUCH more likely that you don't see the point, nor the implications (of what you think the Universe should be like). At this point, it's getting quite silly that you think you aught to know better how the Universe should work, better than the Universe itself. You really should read Gurdjieff's teachings - but you must be able to apply it all to yourself mercilessly for it to have any value - and pay particular attention to the Laws of World Creation and Maintenance too. Otherwise you'll continue to dwell in your self-pity and wiseacre that you know how things should be, instead of maturing to the point of accepting how things are, so you may take the first concrete step in growth and development. You also should read the Wave and other material with more context for the C's sessions, as has been suggested before. It's your choice, of course.
We're here to learn on this forum. If you don't want to learn, what exactly is your reason for being here?
@Psalehesost, that was a very helpful elaboration. Helps to deepen pondering. Thanks.
MariuszJ said:
It's MUCH more likely that you don't see the point, nor the implications (of what you think the Universe should be like). At this point, it's getting quite silly that you think you aught to know better how the Universe should work, better than the Universe itself. You really should read Gurdjieff's teachings - but you must be able to apply it all to yourself mercilessly for it to have any value - and pay particular attention to the Laws of World Creation and Maintenance too. Otherwise you'll continue to dwell in your self-pity and wiseacre that you know how things should be, instead of maturing to the point of accepting how things are, so you may take the first concrete step in growth and development. You also should read the Wave and other material with more context for the C's sessions, as has been suggested before. It's your choice, of course.
We're here to learn on this forum. If you don't want to learn, what exactly is your reason for being here?
sitting said:
Additionally, it could be that the thought forms in 6D are necessary for anything to manifest below in lower, physical densities. Also, there may be a kind of identification / fascination of the thoughts created that manifest below in lower densities for some "soul units", so to speak, and then they want to experience such IN the physical, and thus "fall" to do so. The C's have alluded to this, and Laura's written about it here and there.
