Session 4 April 2015

[Spur]

My impression of 6th density STS reflections is the wisdom of 'knowing' the abyss of STS.

It is not the existence or 'being' of STS, but the understanding of it's essence. That is, an understanding that can only be achieved by units of consciousness that have gone into the abyss during incarnations in lower densities and have emerged from the experience/s with a fuller understanding. - Perhaps, it is a reflection of 6th density 'wisdom'.

 

[Ðekel]

My impression of 6th density STS reflections is the wisdom of 'knowing' the abyss of STS.

It is not the existence or 'being' of STS, but the understanding of it's essence. That is, an understanding that can only be achieved by units of consciousness that have gone into the abyss during incarnations in lower densities and have emerged from the experience/s with a fuller understanding. - Perhaps, it is a reflection of 6th density 'wisdom'.

This is excellent IMO. I think this is quite a mature concept.

 

[goyacobol]

As for 4D STS I have a feeling they do not go to 6 D. They have to change to STO to go to 6 D.

See this post earlier in this thread:

My understanding from the above Cs remarks is that "Duality" only exists in densities 1-4. In the higher densities 5-7 (or at least in 6th), the negative is there only for reflection and does not exist in the usual meaning of "exists". I may be wrong of course.

That's the way I understand it, also. The reflection of STS is there for balance. Here's what the Cs have said:

The problem is that we don't properly understand yet what is meant by '6D STS reflections' , so from a certain point of view MariuszJ may be right.

electrosonic and Mariusz,

All the comments so far have been good food for thought I think. I am wondering if the main obstacle ew are dealing with is acceptance of what seems to be a harsh, depressing view of STS and STO. I have had similar thoughts in the past so I kind of understand why you would feel the way you do. I'll give it my best shot to see if I can add some other information that may help change the way you are seeing the bigger picture base on some of the material that is scattered here and there.

The School

The Wave Chapter 8: Everywhere You Look, There Is the Face of God

Q: (L) But, his intent is entirely benevolent because he wants to stop a murder, which is the saving of a life, as well as prevent the loved one from going to prison. So, it seems to be benevolent in intent. Does this not make a difference?

A: Have we forgotten about Karma?

Q: (L) Well, I mentioned the fact that one cannot always judge these situations because we don’t know. We cannot know. For all we know the potential murder victim is an Adolf Hitler type or the potential parent of one, or something like that, and then the murder would save many lives with the sacrifice of two lives; or that this murder is supposed to happen because of some karmic interaction that is essential between the murderer and victim, and that we simply cannot know these things and judge them.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) He says: “I believe that if we do not send love energy to the world that the egocentric STS energy will be dominating.”

A: Why would one choose to send this? What is the motivation?

Q: (L) To change it to your idea of what it is supposed to be. To control it to follow your judgment of how things ought to be.

A: Exactly. The students are not expected to be the architects of the school.

Q: (L) So, when you seek to impose or exert influence of any kind, you are, in effect, trying to play God and taking it upon yourself to decide that there is something wrong with the universe that it is up to you to fix, which amounts to judgment.

A: Yes, you see, one can advise, that is okay, but do not attempt to alter the lesson.

What is the Nature of the School?

Session 24 November 1994

Q: (L) So we just have to stay on our toes at all times?

A: Absolutely don't let others distract you. You have suffered many attempts at distraction away from truth. Now follow some proclamations: Pause. All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.

Q: (L) It's fun for who to see how much we can access?

A: All. Challenges are fun. Where do you think the limit of your mind is?

Nature of the School Continued...


Session 9 September 1995

Q: (L) What creates this environment of limitation?

A: It is the grand illusion which is there for the purpose of learning.

Q: (L) And who put the illusion into place?

A: The Creator who is also the Created. Which is also you and us and all. As we have told you, we are you and vice versa. And so is everything else.

Q: (L) Is the key that it is all illusion?

A: Basically, yes.

Q: (L) So, essentially...

A: As we have told you before, if you will be patient just a moment, the universe is merely a school. And, a school is there for all to learn. That is why everything exists. There is no other reason. Now, if only you understood the true depth of that statement, you would begin to start to see, and experience for yourself, all the levels of density that it is possible to experience, all the dimensions that it is possible to experience, all awareness. When an individual understands that statement to its greatest possible depth, that individual becomes illumined. And, certainly you have heard of that. And, for one moment, which lasts for all eternity, that individual knows absolutely everything that there is to know.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that the path to illumination is knowledge and not love?

A: That is correct.

Q: (L) Is it also correct that emotion can be used to mislead, that is emotions that are twisted and generated strictly from the flesh or false programming?

A: Emotion that limits is an impediment to progress. Emotion is also necessary to make progress in 3rd density. It is natural. When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density.

Q: (L) What about Love?

A: What about it?

Q: (L) There are many teachings that are promulgated that Love is the key, the answer. They say that illumination and knowledge and what-not can all be achieved through love.

A: The problem is not the term "love," the problem is the interpretation of the term. Those on third density have a tendency to confuse the issue horribly. After all, they confuse many things as love. When the actual definition of love as you know it is not correct either. It is not necessarily a feeling that one has that can also be interpreted as an emotion, but rather, as we have told you before, the essence of light which is knowledge is love, and this has been corrupted when it is said that love leads to illumination. Love is Light is Knowledge. Love makes no sense when common definitions are used as they are in your environment. To love you must know. And to know is to have light. And to have light is to love. And to have knowledge is to love.

The Students

Session 17 December 1994

A: Why so much interest in individual students?

Q: (L) He is a student?

A: All are. Us too.

Q: (DM) Everyone has a creator.

A: We are not creator any more than you are. We are all creator!

What does STO Feed on?

Session 10 December 1994

Q: (T) Okay, and you said that the Lizzies feed on the negative energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who feeds on the positive energy?

A: You do.

Q: (T) How do we feed on the positive energy?

A: Progression toward union with the one, I.E. level 7.

Q: (L) In other words, you fuel your own generator instead of fueling someone else's. (T) You are at level 6, what do you feed on?

A: You have the wrong concept. We give to others and receive from others of the STO. We feed each other.

Q: (L) So, by feeding each other you move forward and grow but those of the STS path do not feed each other so must feed off of others. (T) Now, you are talking to us now. This is considered STO?

A: Yes.

Do we still have choice in 4D?

Session 14 January 1995

Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?

A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don't move back.

Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there? (L) No. (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don't go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct? (T) That's what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that's where you stay because you don't have any desire to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don't have a choice, it is just that you don't want to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

I think the other posts about 6th density STS being only relfection fill that part in much better than anywhere I have seen so far.

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[Laura]

My impression of 6th density STS reflections is the wisdom of 'knowing' the abyss of STS.

It is not the existence or 'being' of STS, but the understanding of it's essence. That is, an understanding that can only be achieved by units of consciousness that have gone into the abyss during incarnations in lower densities and have emerged from the experience/s with a fuller understanding. - Perhaps, it is a reflection of 6th density 'wisdom'.

I'd say that's spot on. Mr. Scott has written a review of "Hostage to the Devil" (in the thread by that name) today that is a worthy read in view of this topic.

 

[duyunne]

networking, being part of a greater whole, it's the building block to physical life.

Bare with me here, let's equate the phenomena of STO to a 2d/3d biogical organism.

Our body is in and of itself a biosphere for a vast array of microbial life and cells that play a part in stabilizing the physical experience to a 'soul.' The life in this biosphere works in tandem to uphold this visceral and important, shared experienced. Their individual statuses don't apply to this grand scheme, they just do what they are coded to do. But imagine if an event occurred and these cells worked against other cells, or stopped functioning - the body gets ill, and could die.

In a sense, this same entropy is occuring on a 'macrobial' scale, for lack of a better term.

What's occuring on earth is that the STS influences are halting the collective potential of humanities as agents or cells to a greater organism.

This is my basic understanding of STO vs STS.

I hope this helps some who are having a difficult way of articulating the struggle.

If it wasnt for STO, we couldn't exist. It's an intrinsic part of us, and we have to defend this right to move forward collectively to reach a stronger, more visceral stage of life, in this region of space.

 

[MariuszJ]

goyacobol, what I have understood is different from text you have quoted. As far as I remember there are different Cs texts saying namely once you reach 7D you come back to 1D as we are in a sort of a time loop. Then again you go to 2D and you may not escape being in 3D STS. If this is the case it means that consciousness does not evolve permanently but only temporarily since after so many billions of years we should not have any STS beings now, but we have, which is contradictory to your quoted texts.

 

[JeanneT]

My impression of 6th density STS reflections is the wisdom of 'knowing' the abyss of STS.

It is not the existence or 'being' of STS, but the understanding of it's essence. That is, an understanding that can only be achieved by units of consciousness that have gone into the abyss during incarnations in lower densities and have emerged from the experience/s with a fuller understanding. - Perhaps, it is a reflection of 6th density 'wisdom'.

I must have done something wrong..posted awhile ago and it didn't show up.

Spur, Just wanted to say that your explanation is the best so far for helping me grasp this...I really think you are on to something! thanks.

 

[Miss.K]

goyacobol, what I have understood is different from text you have quoted. As far as I remember there are different Cs texts saying namely once you reach 7D you come back to 1D as we are in a sort of a time loop. Then again you go to 2D and you may not escape being in 3D STS. If this is the case it means that consciousness does not evolve permanently but only temporarily since after so many billions of years we should not have any STS beings now, but we have, which is contradictory to your quoted texts.

I was thinking about this, earlier. I don't know, but what I think it has to do with is maybe that time is a circle, not a line? (I can't explain it better, as I don't understand time so well myself)

 

[Ðekel]

goyacobol, what I have understood is different from text you have quoted. As far as I remember there are different Cs texts saying namely once you reach 7D you come back to 1D as we are in a sort of a time loop. Then again you go to 2D and you may not escape being in 3D STS. If this is the case it means that consciousness does not evolve permanently but only temporarily since after so many billions of years we should not have any STS beings now, but we have, which is contradictory to your quoted texts.

I was thinking about this, earlier. I don't know, but what I think it has to do with is maybe that time is a circle, not a line? (I can't explain it better, as I don't understand time so well myself)

Another approach could be that time isn't sequential at all.
That rather, your now protrudes outwards and "gathers" reflections from probable pasts and probable futures.

This could lead one to assume that there is only a Now-point which is static and that our memories and expectations shoot outward and come back to now. making time neither a line nor a circle, but loops around a pinpoint.

 

[Laura]

goyacobol, what I have understood is different from text you have quoted. As far as I remember there are different Cs texts saying namely once you reach 7D you come back to 1D as we are in a sort of a time loop. Then again you go to 2D and you may not escape being in 3D STS. If this is the case it means that consciousness does not evolve permanently but only temporarily since after so many billions of years we should not have any STS beings now, but we have, which is contradictory to your quoted texts.

MariuszJ, I do wish you would read The Wave since I go through all these things there in pretty much excruciating detail. I had the same issues with it as you are having now and it just simply does no good for people to just hand you answers because you can't really get it if you haven't been taken by the hand through the exploration/experience process which is what I have done in The Wave. Cases, situations, examples, and more. Do yourself a favor and read it.

 

[Mr. Premise]

goyacobol, what I have understood is different from text you have quoted. As far as I remember there are different Cs texts saying namely once you reach 7D you come back to 1D as we are in a sort of a time loop. Then again you go to 2D and you may not escape being in 3D STS. If this is the case it means that consciousness does not evolve permanently but only temporarily since after so many billions of years we should not have any STS beings now, but we have, which is contradictory to your quoted texts.

I think you're stuck in linear time conceptualization. The Cs also said about 7D that it is eternity (if I remember correctly). So in some sense we're "always" there.

Mariusz, you do seem attached to your suffering. You don't seem to take in anything anyone is saying to you. I understand you're depressed and depressed people don't want to be told to cheer up, so maybe you should seek help for your depression.

In this thread you wrote this:

Well, it started maybe a month ago. I have never felt so bad before. For no apparent reason I suddenly completely broke down and lost interest in everything. Is it due to the Wave? However, I do not see any significant changes in people around me.

And this:

My girlfriend just broke up with me. I want somebody to kill me.

I feel for you, but you seem to have classic symptoms of depression and we're not able to help you with this it seems.

 

[MariuszJ]

Also, what I have also understood is that learning does not mean doing good to move from STS to STO. Learning is doing as many different things as possible. So as we are living in STS environment, we are supposed to harm other people in hundreds of different ways through centuries and that way one is moving towards completing the lesson to be moved to 4D.

 

[Miss.K]

Also, what I have also understood is that learning does not mean doing good to move from STS to STO. Learning is doing as many different things as possible. So as we are living in STS environment, we are supposed to harm other people in hundreds of different ways through centuries and that way one is moving towards completing the lesson to be moved to 4D.

MariuszJ Your questions will be answered if you follow Lauras suggestion:

MariuszJ, I do wish you would read The Wave since I go through all these things there in pretty much excruciating detail. I had the same issues with it as you are having now and it just simply does no good for people to just hand you answers because you can't really get it if you haven't been taken by the hand through the exploration/experience process which is what I have done in The Wave. Cases, situations, examples, and more. Do yourself a favor and read it.

 

[electrosonic]

Also, what I have also understood is that learning does not mean doing good to move from STS to STO. Learning is doing as many different things as possible. So as we are living in STS environment, we are supposed to harm other people in hundreds of different ways through centuries and that way one is moving towards completing the lesson to be moved to 4D.

It may well be the fact that in previous incarnations we've done things we're not proud of - but whatever we've gone through, i'd like to think that most of us on this forum have now turned the corner and have realised that they no longer need to follow this path.

MariuszJ: Are you suggesting you still feel you have learning to do as you've described above?

 

[electrosonic]

Also, what I have also understood is that learning does not mean doing good to move from STS to STO. Learning is doing as many different things as possible. So as we are living in STS environment, we are supposed to harm other people in hundreds of different ways through centuries and that way one is moving towards completing the lesson to be moved to 4D.

MariuszJ, Thinking more about your comment:

Firstly: Learning is NOT about doing as many different things as possible - Learning & Experiencing are two different things. You can experience many things without learning the lesson.

Secondly: You do not have to experience absolutely everything in order to learn the lesson. For instance; in order to learn that a boiling kettle is hot does not require you to boil every kettle in the country & touch them all - just once should be sufficient to learn the lesson.

Thirdly: The lessons required to graduate to an STS environment will be different to the lessons required to graduate to an STO environment. You do not need to have learned both sets. An STS 4D candidate will not need to have learned about the intricacies involved with STO living in order to move on to an STS 4D environment.