Trump's Jerusalem decision

A few hours before posting this thread, Trump acted on the decision to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel, and he will move the US embassy there. A simple Google search (haha) will show many pages concerning this event, MSM sources notwithstanding.

I suppose this is a sequel to Trump's falling in line with Zionist interests.

That aside, I do not like this move one bit. It will inflame some tensions to say the least. It seems nightmarish to me.. :( A major insult to injury on a longstanding travesty of justice.

I think that Trump has just signed Israel's death warrant.

Posting SoTT.net's FaceBook comment on an article covering this:

https://www.sott.net/article/370435-Trump-recognizes-Jerusalem-as-Israels-capital-makes-it-official-Israel-controls-USA

Possibly smart move by Trump on recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital. Every US president has the 'duty' to try and solve the 'Israeli-Palestinian' conflict. Every US president to date has done squat in that regard, usually due to Israeli blocking. The one thing the Israelis have always avoided like the plague is coming to the negotiating table. Life is easier for Israeli politicians when they have an intractable *foreign* enemy that 'does not recognize Israel's right to exist'.
At this point a two state solution is obviously not an option. So one state it is. This may be Trump's angle. Make the first step towards giving the Israelis what they have always claimed they wanted, a state of their own. BUT, it will obviously include the Palestinians, as officially equal citizens.
After all, Israel claims to be the only [Westernized] democracy in the Middle East and Israel would be naturally required to treat all of its citizens equally, and it will have a vested interest in doing so, because a sovereign state in conflict with its own citizens does not look good to the 'international community', does not encourage foreign investment, and makes life hard for Israeli Jews and Palestinians alike.

Click to expand...

From the article:

[..] In 2008 then presidential candidate Obama pandered to the Zionist Lobby in the U.S.:

Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided.

Click to expand...

Obama though left it at that speech and never made it official policy. Officially declaring Jerusalem an "undivided city" and capital of the Zionist entity means that there is no room for a Palestinian capital in east-Jerusalem. It buries the (fairy-)tale of a sovereign Palestinian state.

But that idea had been dead all along. The only reason for U.S. presidents to circumvent the 22 year old law by issuing waivers was to pretend that the U.S. would be a neutral broker towards some peace between the (east-)European colonists and Palestinians. That was from start to end a deception. Congress and U.S. presidents are under control of the Zionist Lobby which can marshal enormous amounts of money to make or defeat candidates for legislative or executive offices. The Zionist billionaire Sheldon Adelson, who also sponsors the fascist Israel Prime Minister Netanyahoo, donated more then $100 million to the Trump campaign and tens of millions to Congress races. Today was time for Trump to settle some of that debt. [..]

Click to expand...

My read on hearing about this was the same as the highlighted above, that it shines a light on the reality of the situation.

Incidentally all the condemnation reminds me of Trumps UN speech (talking about the evils of North Korea etc). I wondered perhaps if it was a clever move on Trumps part to shine a spotlight on the US and hence highlight the madness of the deep state (perhaps the only move he could make against them)?

I think this exchange sums it up in a nutshell.

session170916 said:

(Pierre) He cannot go in the right direction. At this point, he has no way of winning, so it's going to be a Deep State scenario from now on. And you know what that means for people.
(PoB) Could it still be that the Democrats and all the crazy lefties can steal it in the way that he would be impeached?
A: Why impeach a perfectly good puppet?

Click to expand...

My reading of the situation is that Trump doesn't really have much control over what is going on; he more or less just does what he is told like any other president. I do get the feeling based on some of his Twitter posts and general comments and some things that Putin has said that he is something of an unwilling puppet, the deep state has to continually exert pressure on him to keep him on track, but he is too weak to resist so it makes no difference. He may indeed be hoping that he may be able to somehow turn the tables on nuts like Netanyahu, but I don't think that's primarily what's driving his actions. If it does ignite the firestorm that many political strategists logically deduce should occur, it would actually be a confirmation of something the Cassiopaeans predicted a long time ago; going along with the much finer order of control being imposed in other domains.

session010924 said:

Q: (L) Well we plan to. What is going to happen with the Middleastern situation; this Afghanistan or whatever?
A: Herding of population to much finer order of control.
Q: (L) What is the purpose of this control; this increasing control.
A: Preparation for war in Palestine.
Q: (L) But nobody has said anything about having a war in Palestine. They're all talking about having a war in Afghanistan. How does Palestine fit in here?
A: It is the ultimate objective of Israel.
Q: (L) Why would they want to have war in their own country? Well, aside from the fact that they've been having a war in their own country for a long time. I guess they
want to bring it to a final conclusion. What is going to be the result of this plan?
A: Destruction of Jews.
Q: (L) Well obviously this is not what THEY are planning, is it?
A: No.
Q:(L) They are planning destruction of Palestinians, right?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) It seems that through out history whenever the Jews have plotted and planned to destroy somebody, they are the ones who have ended up being destroyed themselves.
Or am I misreading my history here?
A: No.

Click to expand...

So the Israelis finally get their big war and the Semitic world gets another, bigger round of destruction.

session951007 said:

Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session and I want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received instructions from higher density beings about creating a 'Master Race.' Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic 'master race?'
A: Both, similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd and 4th density stock.
Q: (L) So they were essentially trying to breed a group of people like themselves?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay. They were preparing this breeding ground, so to speak. Obviously this was for the introduction of some other genetic strain. What was this?
A: Nephalim.
Q: (L) Well, if the Nephilim are coming in ships, 36 million of them, why bother to create half-breeds here?
A: Yes, but having an "advance party" makes 3rd density conquest much easier.
Q: (L) So, this Master Race was supposed to get everything ready...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, what is it about the Semitic genes that was considered to be so undesirable in the creation of this 'Master Race?'
A: Would blemish genetic characteristics inclined to ruthlessness and domination.
Q: (L) So, you are saying that there is something, some genetic tendency or set of genes in the Semitic type that would counteract this?
A: Close.

Click to expand...

So it seems that at this point it doesn't much matter what anyone does, 4D STS will get what it wants.

I am a bit curious how the SJWs and their drive to eliminate "white privilege" and championing all things Islam fit into this. Is it just a ploy to push the "Aryan" types over the edge so that they will be even more ruthless in their conquests against the Arabs? While the Arab world has been unfairly persecuted and conquered by western imperialism, it looks like what is going on behind the scenes is to take what was originally a noble intention to find some semblance of equality for the Muslim world and give them a voice and twist it around to be just as blind as what it purports to stand against. Whether you are pro-Arab or Anti-Arab, 4D STS controls both sides of the debate and manipulates both sides to destroy each other over their subjective delusions. They seem to be able to coopt any impulse to create something better and more just into some caricature which benefits only them.

I think this came as an order to Trump, and hiding behind what Trump represents, he simply is now viewed as controversial person who makes impulsive decisions and statements, that is the puppet to hide behind of.

All the noise that Trump represents is being used as a tool to "move the agenda forward", from the domestic divisions here to foreign policy.

I read it on MSN news, and it came as a criticism, with a pinch of "oh it is just Trump's way". They were showing people "protesting in Palestine", which sounded and looked staged.

Interesting timing though, that Putin made the announcement that he will run again next year.

An interesting take on what the ramifications will be for Israel now that Trump has essentially given them Jerusalem. We've been hearing about a two-state solution for decades, and now that could be off the table, it could eventually lead to Israel's downfall? It reminds me of lyrics from a Rolling Stones song 'You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.'

Neil said:

I think this exchange sums it up in a nutshell.

session170916 said:

(Pierre) He cannot go in the right direction. At this point, he has no way of winning, so it's going to be a Deep State scenario from now on. And you know what that means for people.
(PoB) Could it still be that the Democrats and all the crazy lefties can steal it in the way that he would be impeached?
A: Why impeach a perfectly good puppet?

Click to expand...

My reading of the situation is that Trump doesn't really have much control over what is going on; he more or less just does what he is told like any other president. I do get the feeling based on some of his Twitter posts and general comments and some things that Putin has said that that he is something of an unwilling puppet, the deep state has to continually exert pressure on him to keep him on track, but he is too weak to resist so it makes no difference. He may indeed be hoping that he may be able to somehow turn the tables on nuts like Netanyahu, but I don't think that's primarily what's driving his actions. If it does ignite the firestorm that many political strategists logically deduce should occur, it would actually be a confirmation of something the Cassiopaeans predicted a long time ago; going along with the much finer order of control being imposed in other domains.

Click to expand...

Looks like the Deep State didn't get everything they desired? Trump held back on one of the Chess pieces?

US President Donald Trump appears to have missed a deadline for signing a waiver on a US law requiring its embassy to be moved to Jerusalem (al-Quds), in an act of brinkmanship over one of the Middle East’s most fraught issues.

Trump Misses Deadline over Moving US Embassy to Al-Quds Tuesday December, 05, 2017
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2017/12/05/1593323/trump-misses-deadline-over-moving-us-embassy-to-al-quds

According to diplomats and Palestinian officials, the original deadline was expected to have fallen on Friday at midnight and was pushed to Monday.
That deadline passed without an announcement after a White House official said no action would be taken on Monday.

Amid mounting anxiety over Trump’s intentions, the US president was facing a growing chorus of warnings over potential repercussions over a unilateral US decision regarding Jerusalem’s status.

Neil said:

I am a bit curious how the SJWs and their drive to eliminate "white privilege" and championing all things Islam fit into this. Is it just a ploy to push the "Aryan" types over the edge so that they will be even more ruthless in their conquests against the Arabs? While the Arab world has been unfairly persecuted and conquered by western imperialism, it looks like what is going on behind the scenes is to take what was originally a noble intention to find some semblance of equality for the Muslim world and give them a voice and twist it around to be just as blind as what it purports to stand against. Whether you are pro-Arab or Anti-Arab, 4D STS controls both sides of the debate and manipulates both sides to destroy each other over their subjective delusions. They seem to be able to coopt any impulse to create something better and more just into some caricature which benefits only them.

Click to expand...

SJW may just be 'useful idiots', perhaps even disposable pawns?

Neil said:

I am a bit curious how the SJWs and their drive to eliminate "white privilege" and championing all things Islam fit into this. Is it just a ploy to push the "Aryan" types over the edge so that they will be even more ruthless in their conquests against the Arabs? While the Arab world has been unfairly persecuted and conquered by western imperialism, it looks like what is going on behind the scenes is to take what was originally a noble intention to find some semblance of equality for the Muslim world and give them a voice and twist it around to be just as blind as what it purports to stand against. Whether you are pro-Arab or Anti-Arab, 4D STS controls both sides of the debate and manipulates both sides to destroy each other over their subjective delusions. They seem to be able to coopt any impulse to create something better and more just into some caricature which benefits only them.

Click to expand...

The part in bold is pretty much what I think the objective is.

Laura said:

I think that Trump has just signed Israel's death warrant.

Click to expand...

It's possible! I can see the Israelis getting very cocky about this, now that they are safe in the knowledge that the Trump admin is quite willing to go the 'extra-mile' for them, standing out from previous US admins. They know Jared Kushner is on their side, and perhaps due to family ties, Trump so far seems to be fully on board with whatever Kushner thinks. And Kushner was funding illegal Israeli settlements, for God's sake!! So the Israelis may feel free to do even more extreme things - perhaps even evicting the whole of East Jerusalem or who knows - but at the very least they will feel entitled to treat their new Palestinian subjects in the city as a second class to be opressed, the same way they do with Arab Israelis. And that is after (and if) the dust settles, because first we are going to see much violence on the streets.

On the other hand, the whole Arab world will take this as an insult - Jerusalem is a holy city for them too, after all - and this is already being reflected on the statements of some of their leaders. There will be a meeting of the Arab League on the 9th of December to discuss this. Erdogan was already talking about cutting diplomatic ties with Israel as a 'red line' had been crossed, and Iran called for ME nations to do the same. In turn, Netanyahu threatened and said they should act now against Iran (whatever that means).

I don't know how all of this is going to end, but in the immediate future it is not looking good at all.

Neil said:

If it does ignite the firestorm that many political strategists logically deduce should occur, it would actually be a confirmation of something the Cassiopaeans predicted a long time ago; going along with the much finer order of control being imposed in other domains.

session010924 said:

Q: (L) Well we plan to. What is going to happen with the Middleastern situation; this Afghanistan or whatever?
A: Herding of population to much finer order of control.
Q: (L) What is the purpose of this control; this increasing control.
A: Preparation for war in Palestine.
Q: (L) But nobody has said anything about having a war in Palestine. They're all talking about having a war in Afghanistan. How does Palestine fit in here?
A: It is the ultimate objective of Israel.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

It does look very much like a move intended to be inflammatory, highly provocative, especially if the U.S. do also move their embassy. Wouldn’t be the first time Israel has used the reactions of others to justify its next moves.

You’d think that if a reasonable settlement were the objective, then quiet diplomacy and mediation behind the scenes would be the way, not unexpected unilateral moves like this. It’s so provocative that the responses seem fairly predictable, in that there will be backlash, reprisals, and it certainly creates more chaos not greater stability. Could you say then that that was ultimate the aim of this move: to provoke even greater chaos?

Makes more sense if the above Cs snippet is the objective. I was shaking my head yesterday wondering why the heck they would do that when the reactions seem so predictable?

I agree that a two state solution is not possible. In an ideal world, the solution would be a single secular state, with equal rights to all its citizens regardless of ethnicity or religion, and democratic elections. Since the Palestinians are majority, their representatives would soon find their way to positions of power (assuming there's no rigging). The name of the country, the official language and even the flag would need to be changed too. Basically, the new state of 'Israel-Palestine' or 'Palestine-Israel' would no longer be a 'Jewish state'. Of course, that is never going to happen because the Zionists would not allow it. Their plan was always to have the whole land for themselves for a Jewish state.

While thinking about this:

Possibly smart move by Trump on recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital. Every US president has the 'duty' to try and solve the 'Israeli-Palestinian' conflict. Every US president to date has done squat in that regard, usually due to Israeli blocking. The one thing the Israelis have always avoided like the plague is coming to the negotiating table. Life is easier for Israeli politicians when they have an intractable *foreign* enemy that 'does not recognize Israel's right to exist'.
At this point a two state solution is obviously not an option. So one state it is. This may be Trump's angle. Make the first step towards giving the Israelis what they have always claimed they wanted, a state of their own. BUT, it will obviously include the Palestinians, as officially equal citizens.
After all, Israel claims to be the only [Westernized] democracy in the Middle East and Israel would be naturally required to treat all of its citizens equally, and it will have a vested interest in doing so, because a sovereign state in conflict with its own citizens does not look good to the 'international community', does not encourage foreign investment, and makes life hard for Israeli Jews and Palestinians alike.

Click to expand...

and this:

I think that Trump has just signed Israel's death warrant.

Click to expand...

I happened to come across a FB post of an acquaintance of mine which I found interesting. (Bear in mind that the poster is anti-Trump):

On Trump and Jerusalem: I won't repeat the obvious about what a catastrophic decision this is, but there is another point to be made here as well that points to one a most ironic of unintended consequences: By effectively killing any possibility of a two-state solution, Drumpf and Netanyahu may have inadvertently signalled the death-knell of the Israeli state they wish to triumphally secure.

In the face of the impossibility of a separate Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, the Palestinians may well now shift their tactics to the pursuit of equal rights within a single Israeli state in which non-Jews will be the majority, thus robbing Israel of its claims to exceptionalism by virtue of its predominantly Jewish character and conclusively rendering it a multi-ethnic state where no section of the population is able to exercise conclusive control. The only alternative is an Apartheid-style regime that will make Israel even more of an international pariah that it already is, and may actually serve to hasten then end of the Israel that's existed since 1948. Somehow, I suspect that this is not what either Drumpf, Netanyahu and their lunatic ilk intended.

Is it what I want? Of course not, I would like to see an equitable and just two-state solution. But I suspect that if any of this does come to pass then it will be a textbook example of reaping what you sow.

Click to expand...

Personally, I find it hard to believe that Trump thought about this beforehand for the eventual benefit of the Palestinians - especially with that son-in-law of his whispering on his ear. But regardless of whether he did or not, I have no doubt that the Palestinian population that Israel assimilates will be subject to an apartheid system at best (but it could be worse - when have Zionists been shy about violating human rights?).

And then I thought that if the scenario this person describes above comes to pass, then after a few years or decades the project of a 'Jewish state' would be effectively destroyed by both internal and external pressure. Kind of what happened in South Africa. Of course that would be a good thing, but it would still come at a very high cost of human suffering and only after considerable time.

If that happens, people could say that Israel was indeed 'destroyed', and I wondered if perhaps that was what the Cs were referring to in their prediction. Not a destruction with nuclear bombs or natural catastrophes as we could have imagined, but through internal social and political disintegration due to its own evil practices. On the other hand, the Cs also said that the plan was "war in Palestine" and the elimination of carriers of a Semitic gene, so that sounds quite explicitly like bloodbaths may not be avoided. There is also the fact that the whole of the Arab world is already mad at Trump's decision, so that may be a factor too.

First repercussions outside of the Middle-East have occurred already in Amsterdam today.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/12/man-waving-palestinian-flag-smashes-amsterdam-kosher-restaurant-window/

Man waving Palestinian flag smashes Amsterdam kosher restaurant window

December 7, 2017

Police have arrested a 29-year-old man who smashed the window of a kosher restaurant in the south of Amsterdam on Thursday morning.

The man, who was waving a Palestinian flag and a piece of wood, smashed several windows in the Hacarmel restaurant shortly before 11am. One eyewitness told DutchNews.nl she saw the man surrounded by around 10 others. ‘The atmosphere was definitely threatening,’ she said.

Restaurant owner Daniel Baron told broadcaster RTL Nieuws (in Dutch) that the incident had really shaken him up. ‘The consequences of what Donald Trump said have come very close to home,’ he said.

On Wednesday Trump announced that the US recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and said the US would be moving its embassy there. Dutch foreign minister Halbe Zijlstra was one of dozens of politicians describing the move as ‘unwise’ and ‘counterproductive.’

‘I have never had to deal with anything like this is 17 years,’ Baron said. ‘Luckily there was no-one inside at the time.’

Police were quick to arrive at the scene and arrest the man. Amsterdam police chief Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg told local broadcaster AT5 (in Dutch) the man is a ‘foreigner’ with a temporary residence permit but declined to say if he is a refugee.

A spokesman for the Dutch Israeli community told broadcaster NOS (in Dutch) the incident is ‘nothing less than an act of terrorism.’

‘This deed affects the entire Jewish community,’ the spokesman said.

Click to expand...

Similar coverage here: https://nltimes.nl/2017/12/07/man-palestinian-flag-breaks-windows-kosher-restaurant-amsterdam

I agree with the possible scenarios you guys are seeing.

With all the religious programing via biblical prophecy it is not a stretch for me to think most Christians don't have a clue about Zionism and would be OK with say war on Iran or military intervention of some kind.

I don't know if some of the archeological shenanigans will be put to use to strengthen the biblical gloss and blind some Christians even more but I am wondering about this one session questions and answers:

Unless this is just an April Fools joke
Session 1 April 2007

Q: (J) Why are the Israelis digging under the Al-Aqsa Mosque … what are they doing when they are digging under the Al-Aqsa
Mosque?
A: Planting fraudulent antiquities.
Q: (J) The Temple of Solomon … See what we found? It’s all true!
A: They have been practicing on “Jesus”.

Click to expand...

It may not be necessary to use this fraudulent technique but they may have something like this in reserve OSIT.

It seems to be moving in the direction of “those uncontrollable Muslim barbarians!” Just saw this from RT

_https://www.rt.com/news/412343-israel-siren-app-rockets/

An Israeli siren smartphone app warned rockets were fired at southern Israel near the Gaza Strip. The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) said on Twitter that a “red alert” was activated in the area bordering Gaza.
Trends
US recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s сapital
According to initial reports, “a red alert has been activated” in the regions of Hof Ashkelon and Sha'ar HaNegev, the IDF tweeted. It added that the details of a potential incident are still “under review.”

Later, the IDF confirmed that at least two missiles were launched from the Gaza Strip “towards the State of Israel,” but did not reach it.

Click to expand...