13-year-old girl becomes record-setting weight lifter (and she loves bacon !!!)

[anart]

I suppose I was unfairly holding her up to the standards of the Work. Guess I'll have to settle for more secular/human-interest-fodder reasons like self-confidence and personal enjoyment.

I thought this was already covered in your school thread.

Yes, it was also brought up in the Costa Concordia thread, but Muxel has a rather persistent self-importance issue.

 

[Gimpy]

I don't buy into the self-serving male bodybuilding Matrix manure.

That, is a very funny sentence!

 

[mada85]

I suppose I was unfairly holding her up to the standards of the Work.

Yup. The fact is that this young girl is a good obyvatel. You could learn a lot from her example.

Guess I'll have to settle for more secular/human-interest-fodder reasons like self-confidence and personal enjoyment.

Muxel, I've noticed a kind of bitterness about your lot in life in several of your remarks. Any comments?

 

[Possibility of Being]

And...PoB and Muxel...can you dig into why it bothers you so much to see a girl that strong? It was my experience growing up that some men were very upset to find I was as strong or stronger than they were.

Why is that? I never understood it then, and it stil mystifies me.

Well, it took me on quite an interesting journey and I'll try to answer you question as soon as I have some main pieces put together. And no, I'm not a man!

 

[Guardian]

I suppose I was unfairly holding her up to the standards of the Work.

What? That makes no sense. How do you know what she's here to do (if anything)? How do you know what tools she's going to need to do whatever she came here to do (if anything)?
Keeping our soul suits tuned up can be important ya know, and she seems to be getting a fine start.

Is it possible you're acting a bit snarky here because you're intimidated by the idea that a 13 year old girl could toss you around like a sack of potatoes?

 

[Gimpy]

And...PoB and Muxel...can you dig into why it bothers you so much to see a girl that strong? It was my experience growing up that some men were very upset to find I was as strong or stronger than they were.

Why is that? I never understood it then, and it stil mystifies me.

Well, it took me on quite an interesting journey and I'll try to answer you question as soon as I have some main pieces put together. And no, I'm not a man!

Oh! No worries. Apologies if my comments triggered anything nasty.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Oh! No worries. Apologies if my comments triggered anything nasty.

They didn't, Gimpy. I guess I wasn't clear enough, sorry.

When I read some first replies that came after mine and realized I was in minority, I began the exploration journey of digging out my beliefs and emotions that came through, and possible sources of both. Plus, I tried to learn a bit of what science has to say on the subject at hand. In result. I'm in the process of discovering a little part of myself I wasn't fully aware of. And it IS interesting! But still too chaotic for me to be able to express clearly the gist of it.

 

[Iron]

The human body is supposed to have some degree of strength and flexibility. The girl like Guardian has said just has the correct biomechanics for displaying great strength. Given the statement that she trains only 3 hours for week only, I fail to see how bizarre this is. Maybe if she was unusually good on chess people would be more supportive?

There are good skills to obtain in every walk of life I think.
If this girl would later become interested on the work she would have already learned how to apply herself to a goal, and what changes in method would have to be done to obtain results. And she would have a strong and somewhat limber body. Those things could then be used to make her path in the work easier don't you think?

 

[Gertrudes]

The human body is supposed to have some degree of strength and flexibility. The girl like Guardian has said just has the correct biomechanics for displaying great strength. Given the statement that she trains only 3 hours for week only, I fail to see how bizarre this is. Maybe if she was unusually good on chess people would be more supportive?

There are good skills to obtain in every walk of life I think.
If this girl would later become interested on the work she would have already learned how to apply herself to a goal, and what changes in method would have to be done to obtain results. And she would have a strong and somewhat limber body. Those things could then be used to make her path in the work easier don't you think?

Good point. Learning how to apply oneself to a goal, in a healthy way, is very important.
There are ways of exercising that highly undermine one's confidence, that at a young vulnerable age prepare the ground for the individual to learn well how to apply him/herself to a goal, yes, by becoming highly obsessive and neurotic (young professional ballet dancers, training several hours a day and regularly being measured so as to prevent them for getting "fat"come to mind, although there are plenty of other examples). This does not seem to be at all what is happening with this girl. She looks healthy, exercises a moderate amount of times a week, enjoys what she does, and seems to have a life outside the sport.

I could be wrong, as one can never know for sure with such sparse information, but these were just some impressions.

 

[dannybananny]

Yeah sure. His money depends on it.

Geeze... That's not what 13-y.o. girls should be doing. Really. Not in a normal world. Well, that would definitely be not this one we live in. And her dad is oh sooo proud of her? Talk about narcissistic family....

Sorry for not being excited despite her love for holy bacon. :(
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I' m with you, I wouldn't agree it's really healthy, recommended age for lifting heavy weights is 18 years. Children shouldn't do weights because it stops their growing rates, and if this girl does compete you can be sure she lifts greater weights, because the essence of competing is harder, faster and in her case heavier. And you can be sure she will have problems with her cartilages because they will be spent with time but that is in all sports normal case, but here it's probably more common because of higher pressure from weights. Can someone tell me how much is 143 pounds kilos?

And if she keeps going with competing she will come to an age when she will have to make a choice: to quit or to go along but with one "slight" change - taking holy steroids if she wants to keep pace with competitors when she gets in older age8this is the case in most sports, wrestling, swimming, athletics, skying - most where is a big money in question) and her life span would be shorter and would have serious health problems after ending her career, if we imagine there won't be comet impacts, etc.... But not only that price she has to pay, but she would also have to pay to be socially isolated because of her looks whether she took steroids or not because honestly speaking to most men seeing women who looks like men, all in muscles, that looks repulsive, this is also the case with me, women being transformed to men by this testosterone society. But looking on the bright side, she will build some will which is a good thing, but everything has other side of a coin. Now she is smiling like every kid does, not knowing everything and not knowing consequences, but when she gets to older age the question is would she be smiling, maybe she will I don t know but there is an option she won t, in the end its her life, she probably did choose it at some higher level. All this training as a kid is fine and dandy but it's only preparing for older age when some bigger money and glory is at stake, and her trainer sure knows that, he wouldn t be working so much with her at so early age if there wasn't a potential. It's good to train in gym but it s good to know one s limit but the problem with consumer society is that there is no limit.

She looks like she might be of Nordic descent?

I don't understand what does it has to do with anything if someone is from that or that descent, like there hasn't been spilled enough blood in this world to prove one s superiority based on descent.

 

[anart]

I' m with you, I wouldn't agree it's really healthy, recommended age for lifting heavy weights is 18 years. Children shouldn't do weights because it stops their growing rates, and if this girl does compete you can be sure she lifts greater weights, because the essence of competing is harder, faster and in her case heavier. And you can be sure she will have problems with her cartilages because they will be spent with time but that is in all sports normal case,

Did you actually watch the video about the girl? It doesn't seem like you did, since all of the above was addressed and she definitely looks perfectly normal and healthy.

 

[Muxel]

I charted my problem out:
bitterness/snarkiness > dissatisfaction with the Matrix > self-importance

Applying that pattern here, I was being (rebelliously) critical of anything media-related. So I tried to find fault with this news, and picked on the fact that she's not doing the Work, even though it made no sense to do so.

It also explains my disdain for obyvatel pursuits. Like I just threw all credibility of obyvateling out the window upon "waking up", to use the term loosely. I mean, I knew at least two guys who were into bodybuilding, and they were among the most decent guys I ever met. I'm surprised at having to remind myself that souls, not containers, matter. I thought I knew it all along.

Is it possible you're acting a bit snarky here because you're intimidated by the idea that a 13 year old girl could toss you around like a sack of potatoes?

Um, that's not it. I've always been physically weak, so 70% of the girls I meet are stronger than me. (Here in America I would say 85%, although I may be confusing carb-guzzling sumo girls who jog on the sidewalks with strength.) If I ever had a physical-dominance-complex program, I would have been disillusioned by age 7. I detect some sort of vindictive feminism with you though. Not surprising, considering that we're ruled with psychopathic left-brained macho, but I do object to being used for target practice.


Lastly, thank you all for the follow-up guidance!

 

[Guardian]

I don't understand what does it has to do with anything if someone is from that or that descent, like there hasn't been spilled enough blood in this world to prove one s superiority based on descent.

I assume you're not referring to the Olympics?

When it comes to sports, especially those involving physical strength, it most certainly does come down to genetics. Nordic and/or Russian women excel at weight lifting for a reason, their gene pools produce some VERY large, strong women....most likely because they come from such extremely harsh environments?

I'm NOT saying that any one culture is "superior" to another, I'm saying that some cultures produce, on average, MUCH larger and physically stronger females than other cultures.

IF the kid is descended from such a culture, the weight she's lifting is not extreme...for her.

 

[truth seeker]

I' m with you, I wouldn't agree it's really healthy, recommended age for lifting heavy weights is 18 years. Children shouldn't do weights because it stops their growing rates, and if this girl does compete you can be sure she lifts greater weights, because the essence of competing is harder, faster and in her case heavier. And you can be sure she will have problems with her cartilages because they will be spent with time but that is in all sports normal case, but here it's probably more common because of higher pressure from weights. Can someone tell me how much is 143 pounds kilos?

And if she keeps going with competing she will come to an age when she will have to make a choice: to quit or to go along but with one "slight" change - taking holy steroids if she wants to keep pace with competitors when she gets in older age8this is the case in most sports, wrestling, swimming, athletics, skying - most where is a big money in question) and her life span would be shorter and would have serious health problems after ending her career, if we imagine there won't be comet impacts, etc.... But not only that price she has to pay, but she would also have to pay to be socially isolated because of her looks whether she took steroids or not because honestly speaking to most men seeing women who looks like men, all in muscles, that looks repulsive, this is also the case with me, women being transformed to men by this testosterone society. But looking on the bright side, she will build some will which is a good thing, but everything has other side of a coin. Now she is smiling like every kid does, not knowing everything and not knowing consequences, but when she gets to older age the question is would she be smiling, maybe she will I don t know but there is an option she won t, in the end its her life, she probably did choose it at some higher level. All this training as a kid is fine and dandy but it's only preparing for older age when some bigger money and glory is at stake, and her trainer sure knows that, he wouldn t be working so much with her at so early age if there wasn't a potential. It's good to train in gym but it s good to know one s limit but the problem with consumer society is that there is no limit.

Those are a lot of assumptions. How about what if she enjoys what she's doing and like many other people who engage in sports when they're older, just move on?

The sentence in bold reads to me that you may be applying your subjective views on some women who engage in bodybuilding with regard to their looks. Basically it sounds as if just because you don't find someone attractive, no one else will/should.

I don't understand what does it has to do with anything if someone is from that or that descent, like there hasn't been spilled enough blood in this world to prove one s superiority based on descent.

There's also been enough blood spilled in this world to prove one's superiority based on gender and sex as well.

Um, that's not it. I've always been physically weak, so 70% of the girls I meet are stronger than me. (Here in America I would say 85%, although I may be confusing carb-guzzling sumo girls who jog on the sidewalks with strength.) If I ever had a physical-dominance-complex program, I would have been disillusioned by age 7. I detect some sort of vindictive feminism with you though. Not surprising, considering that we're ruled with psychopathic left-brained macho, but I do object to being used for target practice.

Can you see how being ruled with "psychopathic left-brained macho" can also cause one to react with self important programs towards a 13 year old girl and toward "carb-guzzling sumo girls"?

It seems from what you've posted as if something about the idea of women who don't fit your ideal threatens you in some way. I know it's difficult to feel as if you've been singled out. We've all been there at one time or another but perhaps you may want to take this opportunity to look a bit deeper?

 

[Guardian]

Um, that's not it. I've always been physically weak, so 70% of the girls I meet are stronger than me. (Here in America I would say 85%, although I may be confusing carb-guzzling sumo girls who jog on the sidewalks with strength.) If I ever had a physical-dominance-complex program, I would have been disillusioned by age 7. I detect some sort of vindictive feminism with you though. Not surprising, considering that we're ruled with psychopathic left-brained macho, but I do object to being used for target practice.

Is that how you see it? Interesting. Most of the time(excluding psychos of course) when a man is as full of himself as you are, he's really actually intimidated by women...which is why I asked. After the way you just physically described yourself and women, I'm still wondering, but that's ok.

As far as your "target practice" comment goes, that's just silly....I really don't need any extra practice. ;D

Seriously though, I thought we were just chatting about out reactions to stuff...which is kinda the point of the forum?