2020 US Election - Let The Games Begin!

psychegram said:
No question that technology means that when/if a war happens, its tactical development will be quite distinct from previous wars. But that can cut both ways.

On the one hand, over-reliance on technology worked to the detriment of imperial forces in the Middle East, where after two decades they remain bogged down in the same countries they invaded at the outset and have not been successful in achieving the stated strategic objectives.

On the other hand, the procurement and development arms of the MIC is as corrupt and sclerotic as any other part of the American state. Weapons development programs are seen as an opportunity to extract wealth from the bottomless tax trough first and foremost, and those opportunities are controlled by entrenched interests. In concrete terms, this is how the US has ended up with the problem-plagued, still-barely-functional, and astronomically expensive boondoggle of the F-35 ... a brilliant solution to the last century's wars. Meanwhile, smaller, nimbler countries with much more limited defense budgets have put their scarcer resources into leveraging emerging technologies in much more creative ways. A clear example of this is the drone swarms the Iranians (or rather their Houthi proxies) used to attack Saudi oil infrastructure; or the highly successful surveillance drone/infantry movement tactics employed by Azerbaijan against Armenia.

Point being that technology isn't always the answer, and when it is it isn't necessarily the answer you were hoping for.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Trump would have no way of ending up on top if it came down to civil war, just saying that even if he had "uge" support from the military, those who would remain against him would be able to cause incredible damage even with very little manpower.
 
Joe said:
Anyone want bet some monopoly money on what it's gonna be about?

My bet is that it'll be all conciliation and 'move on', and no kraken, not even a calamari, although probably some references to understanding people's anger at a less than transparent election process.
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Hmmm... I don't know if I even want to bet some monopoly money against Joe - haha. The only thing that I think might have been possibly missed for many years by you (and Niall) was Trump getting elected. That is going off memory, but maybe my memory is off.

Anyway, what will this be about?

I actually think Trump comes out swinging to some extent, but has some control in terms of flying off the handle. He may have a lot of indignation and frustration built up from being censored himself, the overall tech crackdown, and the impeachment and 25th amendment stuff and he lets some of it out. And he is a showman, so maybe he will put on a little show for all his followers by expressing the moral indignation he knows they might be feeling themselves...

...and then the heavens part to some extent and he is raptured into them and Washington DC hardly skips a beat. :bye: LOL
 
Today I was thinking again about the long game of the universe and the über-intelligence that is behind both its creation and 'maintanance'. So, if things are cyclical, which I believe they are, maybe all of this – covid, Trump, SJW, degeneration of values etc. – was and is they way it's supposed to happen so that when enough time and mayhem has passed, the pendulum will start to swing the other way. The universe or cosmic mind wants people to learn, sometimes the hard way. And to learn you need lessons, lots of them.

Maybe Trump's ban on all internet platforms was one of the miscalculations that, in time, will gain enough momentum to make the pendulum swing at the opposite direction. Heck, even Merkel condemned it!

And, if and when Biden's crime syndicate will take over, it will not be as easy for them to fool the people as in the good ol' days with Obama, Bush, and Clinton – from what's been going on the last four years, people are much more alert to spot all sorts of trickery and deception. Trying to start a war overseas, which they undoubtedtly will try to do, will be harder to sell to the people this time.

Maybe wishful thinking...
 
Revolucionar said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Trump would have no way of ending up on top if it came down to civil war, just saying that even if he had "uge" support from the military, those who would remain against him would be able to cause incredible damage even with very little manpower.
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Yeah there's no question about that. A civil war would be ruinous for everyone. I see people on both sides predicting swift victory ... just like before every war. It's delusional. The war would not be over quickly, it would leave the country in ruins, and many millions would die. America would never recover.
 
aragorn said:
Trying to start a war overseas, which they undoubtedtly will try to do, will be harder to sell to the people this time.
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This is certainly part of the miscalculation. In fact, were I running one of America's many rival states, I would be looking at this as go time to start breaking off pieces of the empire. The establishment not only disenfranchised its population, but turned around and called them a bunch of insurrectionary terrorists. That's the same population that serves as the reserve population of soldiers. It's very difficult to believe that they'd be particularly enthusiastic about engaging in some foreign adventure on behalf of a pack of low-grade crooks who openly spit on them. That might even be true if the war was clearly initiated by a foreign adversary, who may well calculate that the American body politic has become so brittle that it will shatter with just a small tap.
 
psychegram said:
Yeah there's no question about that. A civil war would be ruinous for everyone. I see people on both sides predicting swift victory ... just like before every war. It's delusional. The war would not be over quickly, it would leave the country in ruins, and many millions would die. America would never recover.
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As in the past, Rome for example, America is past recovery. There are too many Crows in the tree for the Robin's nest to survive.
 
Heather said:
I know, it's hard to imagine him doing anything too dramatic -- especially on Fox News.

But what will he say?

He may be focusing on the Twitter censorship, at least in part. Its illegality, possibly even unconstitutionality.

Actually, we should be looking into this: there are contracts the media has to sign with the FCC that stipulate their allowing for the president of the United States to have access to the American people through their networks. I would imagine that goes for Big Tech as well.
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I forgot, he'll have to say something about the "fake" insurrection, which again implicates the media/propaganda machine.

But how will he phrase things? Could he acknowledge the fakery, or is Fox putting constraints on him as to content (just as Twitter did), which would be just heinous, and prove the point, yet again, about the abysmal failure of our media.

Actually, in his January 6th speech, Trump cited the media as THE number one problem we are facing, interestingly enough.

And what will he say about the stolen election? In his speech he elaborated on the scale of the fraud, which is no doubt the real reason no one can now have access to it. The numbers he cited related to the election fraud were massive, and he broke it down by state, and manner of fraud. It was a crash course in what actually happened -- and, again, it's obvious why the dems would want to have that handy compact summation banned from the internet.

I'm also wondering whether this Fox engagement will be Step I in Trump's overall "plan." You know how Trump always leaves you with a cliff hanger -- you'll be hearing from me soon about that, he'll say. Wait and see.

But if this IS the farewell speech... then that is something to feel depressed about.

But if there's more to come... could Pelosi succeed in short order in her attempts at impeachment? Many find that unlikely. Still, it does add pressure on Trump to make his move in the very near future, if there even is such a move.

I hope the naysayers here are proven wrong, but I can see how they are feeling the way they do.

Bleh. How potentially depressing.

Still, I want to hope for the best. He's been -- we've all been -- through just too much for this to be the last hurrah!

Tell me it isn't so!
 
I dont dare to bet. Let's say that I would like to observe or watch, in my life, an historical moment when it happens. And this incoming speech has at least the potential to be one. Now, historical does not mean good or bad.
Let's say that I hope I'll smile after having heard Donald.
 
Laura said:
What we see on the outside is Trump and Melania as conciliatory peace makers... stepping back, and preparing to concede.

Why? I can think of one main reason: threats from the Deep State and an agreement to NOT toss Trump in Gitmo the instant he is no longer president; or at least not to sue him into bankruptcy.

On the other hand, if there were to be some kind of serious action against the Deep State and its minions, it would certainly be kept secret until it was executed. Such an action would actually be easiest at the inauguration where all the players would be out and about and on stage. If something like that were to happen, it would be a tremendous event.

A lot of people attribute all kinds of insights to Trump and it is true, he has many. But, his insights are mainly based on "doing business." Sure, there are a lot of psychopaths in business, but I'm not sure that Trump really groks psychopaths in a pathocracy so he may underestimate the opposition. It appears to me that they have a sort of "Night of the Long Knives" on their agenda. IF - and that is a big if - Trump actually does realize this, then he would be better served by taking some swift and decisive action for his own preservation as well as that of his family (not to mention the republic). One cannot trust the word of a psychopath if they are promising not to harm you if you just give in quietly.

But does Trump understand this?

I guess we'll see.
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Guessing Trump not only needs courage, but insight and perspicacity. It bothers me that he seems to have gone all in with the vaccine nonsense, but even Putin has seemingly capitulated, at least partially. Putin is on his way out, I hope he changes his mind on retiring, or at least has an input on what's currently happening on the global stage.
 
psychegram said:
The feed is live but it's just the governor of Texas talking about vaccinations.

At any rate, I guess this means that the rumour of Trump being in Texas are accurate.

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And he's travelling to the US Mexico border tomorrow, per FOX News ticker, so that he has been in Texas seems to be confirmed. The plot thickens?
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sbeaudry said:
And he's travelling to the US Mexico border tomorrow, per FOX News ticker, so that he has been in Texas seems to be confirmed. The plot thickens?
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I may have been hasty about Texas. The feed has been jumping around - currently it's a speech from Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago talking about schools.
 
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