4D STO principles

[Maya]

Choice.

Some people choose a situation that will require effort, sacrifice, and in many cases, suffering.

Consciously, that person chooses the path that entails suffering, since the other possibilities would only generate personal, totally selfish well-being.

Something very simple would be, for example, a situation in which our family is hungry and there is only food for two out of three people.

Perhaps someone would consciously choose to go hungry and let the other two people eat.

So... do the right thing - the best you can, with what you got and who you are, where you are
and let the Universe decide everything else ?
Somehow I think it's our best shot.
It's complicated but eventually we'll end up exactly where we should be, like where we're now at.
Does that make any sense ?

 

[Wandering Star]

do the right thing - the best you can, with what you got and who you are, where you are
and let the Universe decide everything else ?

Easy, huh?

 

[Fluffy]

Choice.

Some people choose a situation that will require effort, sacrifice, and in many cases, suffering.

Consciously, that person chooses the path that entails suffering, since the other possibilities would only generate personal, totally selfish well-being.

Something very simple would be, for example, a situation in which our family is hungry and there is only food for two out of three people.

Perhaps someone would consciously choose to go hungry and let the other two people eat.

Well I was thinking more along the lines of personal things that don’t involve others. It’s fairly easy to make a choice to give others something that will relieve their suffering or make their life more full and comfortable, often sacrificing ourselves, wants, needs, desires in the process.

I mean, things like resisting the chocolate because it’s not good for the body, eating liver because it is- but we don’t like the flavour, or doing some confronting painful therapy, or not smoking that extra cigarette because you’ve put restrictions on how many you can smoke a day, sitting in a mindful practice when you’re feeling stressed, staying awake to read a little when you’re really really tired and just want to sleep…

For me, I could blindfully and blissfully go along in lala land, smoking weed, eating cookies, playing and having fun, being strangely and interestingly creative, suppressing my injuries (the ones that make me feel like I want t be high and shut out the world in the first place) and do nothing much that contributes to my own well being, that of others, or as part of a macrocosmic consciousness. I could almost call that state a better state of BEing than struggling against it to improve myself and the circumstances for those around me. And this is precisely what I mean, people who just do what they do because that’s what they do, not considering ‘all there is is Lessons’ or trying to gain knowledge and wisdom because they don’t know they need to learn how to protect themselves, well essentially aren’t they serving others (4Dsts) by serving themselves?

 

[Ricardo]

Ra once stated that serving one is serving all , :) , so yes , but in through fractional reflection , that is / permeates all densities , there is always choice. ( fwiw / blah )

 

[Fluffy]

Ra once stated that serving one is serving all , :) , so yes , but in through fractional reflection , that is / permeates all densities , there is always choice. ( fwiw / blah )

Well I have thought this, knowingly and consciously serving our overlords as food and sustenance, could that not be considered service to others and an ultimate form of sacrifice ?
In my darkest moments of depression and suicidal ideas I considered that I was simply just serving creation and if I had no bias to serving the light or the dark then what would it matter if chose a side.
I even considered by choosing to not want to serve 4DSTS that I was denying their right to choose and abridging their freewill. Then, in the grand scheme of things what does it really matter if I have my soul smashed into primal matter - or complete non-existence? The will of the Universe cares not what I do, everything I choose is valid, it blinks neither at the light or the dark.
I’ve considered that I could try to polarise to STS (Kabbalah style) just to get myself to 4th density and then when I get there I have the option to re-polarise if I want. And even further, I’ve considered not wanting to swap to STO at any point and just joining and climbing the ranks of STS and taking over a quadrant of the universe for myself…

I better add here, at all these wild thoughts I’ve ever had, my higher selves are most surely oriented to STO and when I have these wild thoughts I can literally feel their etheric jaws drop and hit the floor that I’d entertain such ideas, I actually feel like ‘been there done that’ and it’s ‘time’ for something else.

 

[Ricardo]

Well I have thought this(...)
I even considered by choosing to not want to serve 4DSTS that I was denying their right to choose and abridging their freewill. Then, in the grand scheme of things what does it really matter if I have my soul smashed into primal matter - or complete non-existence? The will of the Universe cares not what I do, everything I choose is valid, it blinks neither at the light or the dark.
I’ve considered that I could try to polarise to STS (Kabbalah style) just to get myself to 4th density and then when I get there I have the option to re-polarise if I want. And even further, I’ve considered not wanting to swap to STO at any point and just joining and climbing the ranks of STS and taking over a quadrant of the universe for myself…

I better add here, at all these wild thoughts I’ve ever had, my higher selves are most surely oriented to STO and when I have these wild thoughts I can literally feel their etheric jaws drop and hit the floor that I’d entertain such ideas, I actually feel like ‘been there done that’ and it’s ‘time’ for something else.

FWIW , considering positively or negatively , such , is a trap , that you as an expression of all that is, is not endowed / an expression of being-ness , ie binding yourself to what is perceived and quite context dependent , as such quite a potential for sorrows eh :P ( for example there are literal quadrillions of planets 3rd STO aligned , according to transcripts ) , anyways , mirth is good , couldn't give it up for all the cookies :P .

 

[Alejo]

Well, conscious suffering ins't THE path towards STO, conscious suffering is conscious suffering, it can strengthen your will, teach you about your motivations, weaknesses, strengths and so on.. but not for becoming STO exclusively.

The other aspect of it is, how do you define "the right thing"? in an STS reality, it will probably mean taking from somewhere else to achieve this right thing. That's what I mean by honesty, instead of writing a narrative, or perhaps still write the narrative, about the right thing, but also remind yourself that you're pursuing it because of how it makes you feel.

I don't think it needs to be a cynical approach either, the C's did say once that we feed off of positive energy, STS yes but we can gain from good moments, seeing someone experience peace, harmony, love, health, happiness, pleasure and joy. See below.

Q: (T) Okay, and you said that the Lizzies feed on the negative energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who feeds on the positive energy?

A: You do.

I think one of the worst things to live with is self deception, admitting for instance that seeing your kids do well in life (even if it means someone else's kids didn't get that amazing job) makes you feel good, or making your partner's life stable and happy makes you feel worthy and joyous, doesn't cheapen their positive feelings, or the connection. I think being STS doesn't necessarily mean that one actively seeks to consume negative energy as our 4D STS overlords do. Maybe one of the reasons our 4D overlords have to spend so much energy controlling and making our lives miserable is because most naturally seek that positive energy.

Going from this to a fully STO existence remains kind of a mystery mostly because we have no point of reference, but I do believe that the path in that direction begins with self honesty about our STSness. If nothing more, because lying to the self keeps one strictly resonating with darkness, and the light of truth might mean, at first, seeing ourselves honestly as STS beings.

 

[Vajra91]

That's my current understanding as well. Sure, even a positive action is ultimately selfish in our case. Maybe we don't want to suffer watching someone we love suffer. Maybe we feel good about being the hero who makes a sacrifice. We are 3D STS, I don't think that selfishness (including the anticipation of reward) can be truly avoided, so long as we remain in this realm. Dig deep enough and somewhere, somehow, you'll find a selfish reason for your actions, because that's what we are. And it feels important to recognize that at all times, I think it's a fundamental part of becoming and staying awake, of understanding ourselves and reality. Shining a light on the predator's mind inside us.

So the next best thing, and the only one available to us in our current state of being, I think, could be to consciously choose the path "least" or "less" aligned with STS. Wouldn't deliberately rejecting a stronger polarization towards STS be, by its own nature, a step towards STO, especally for an STS being? Choosing to be less entrenched in STS?

You could choose to just satisfy yourself and let others suffer, reasoning that there is no real difference in the end, since both paths are ultimately STS, or possibly even deliberately choose selfishness and negativity.

Or you can choose to take the less entropic, less STS polarizing path. Even if you do so for ultimately selfish reasons, to obtain some "reward" (which again, IMO, seems inevitable, at LEAST in most situations and for most people in our realm, save maybe some extreme exceptions), you're still making an effort to look at the situation objectively (with limited information of course, since we have no way of knowing anything about predestined lessons and karma) and trying to choose the least selfish option you can see. You're still making an attempt to align with a more positive/creative aspect of reality. And sending a certain type of signal.

We are (or strive to be) STO candidates, we can't expect to make truly STO choices right now.

Understanding STS, seeing where it leads and being unsatisfied with it, we seek an alternative (for selfish reasons, because that's what we do), choosing it less and less as we go, in line with whatever chances and choices the universe presents us.

So, I guess it's mostly a matter of positive intent (with all that encompasses, towards us, others and reality) guided by knowledge and wisdom to respect free will as much as possible. Simple in general terms, but the devil is in the details. Where exactly is the line between useful conscious suffering/striving to be less selfish and self-destruction/becoming food? Between respecting the free will of others and our own? Between acting against another and acting in favor of our own destiny and wellbeing?
I'm not sure that it's possible to generalize at all, it seems very much a case by case, soul by soul, lesson by lesson consideration to make. Seems like a delicate balance in this chaotic world. And another useful aspect of a network, right? Where a group of colinear souls can help each member better analyze and understand specific situations and maybe plot the "best" course of action, where applicable.

Feels like I used a lot of words just to say: I think the best we can do is try to understand our own motivations, be as positive a force as possible while keeping an eye towards both free will and self preservaton and trust the universe to guide us where we need to go/be

 

[Breo]

Thank you all for the discussion, input and the sharing. I learn with every post.

yes I have absolutely considered it, and at times I’ve felt like I can relate to murderers and psychopaths [...]

Along with what we are now able to learn and access through the amazing past life meditation, I just read this quote from the C´s Caesar session on "killing and murder". While it is maybe a different context to what you refer to above, in this session the team discusses "killing and spiritual evolving".

The C´s say: "That idea is for the most part an exaggerated human philosophical construct."

Session 2013 09 07
(Perceval) Did Caesar himself ever kill anyone?
A: Many, certainly.
Q: (Perceval) So, given the times around then being very war-like, with a lot of fighting and death going on in general… and with some kind of a Great Soul at the time coming down and… it doesn’t necessarily have to be a peacemaker kissing people’s feet like Jesus… But is there some thing like what we would understand as a prohibition against killing other people as a requirement for being “spiritually evolved”
A: That idea is for the most part an exaggerated human philosophical construct.
Q: (L) So the idea that…
(Perceval) That to be good, thou shalt not kill…
(Atriedes) But which religion does that come from? The most killingest religion on the planet!
(Perceval) It does seem to… Killing another human being for a normal human being does seem to be quite a traumatic thing.
(Atriedes) It’s socially inculcated.
(Perceval) I doubt it. I mean, for soldiers, they come back with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, they’re trained to kill, and they want to kill themselves afterwards, ya know? They can’t handle the fact that they…
(Pierre) Maybe the difference is that Caesar was aware of the very fundamental reason why he was killing…
A: Caesar intended to eliminate or vastly reduce killing. He knew what he was up against.

Then there is this part of a C´s session were Laura refers to the topic of healing and what kind of free will choices are made concerning negative experiences towards STO or STS:

Session 30 March 2002
(L) But that is true only at a deep level. It's pretty clear that STS can violate the free will of those who are ignorant of their existence and abilities. So D** is just repeating New Age nonsense. That's what the folks doing mind control experiments would like us all to think. Yes, it is true that the person must, of their own free will, choose. A person who has chosen, at a very deep level, to seek truth, to ultimately receive positive energy, will be motivated by negative experiences to increase their knowledge, which then increases their awareness, which then increases their abilities of STO to communicate with and interact with other similar people. People use their free will - at very deep levels - to choose to be duped and manipulated. This is either because STS is their ultimate choice and destination, or it is because they need to learn the lesson about growing their awareness. When they choose to refuse to seek knowledge they have already chosen. When they choose belief over seeking and being open they have already chosen.

Reading the above feels like the core, that we all choose how to deal with negativity, stay duped and manipulated or choose on a deeper level to face it to seek truth and positivity, - and it explains why learning to consciously suffer is necessary for increasing STO.

What I wonder is, if "learning to consciously suffer to grow awareness" is related to 4D STO principles? Or is it a 3D lesson to be learned? I hope I am not off topic also with the first quote. Maybe others can shed some light on it.

 

[Alejo]

Understanding STS, seeing where it leads and being unsatisfied with it, we seek an alternative (for selfish reasons, because that's what we do), choosing it less and less as we go, in line with whatever chances and choices the universe presents us.

I think this is key, I remember when the C's described the difference between the crop circles made by STS and STO, and one of them was that STO would flow with nature, more or less. And this is probably a very interesting notion to keep in mind, if one understands the nature of the beast, so to speak, and the way in which it keeps people anchored on the STS frequency, then one can in one's capacity attempt to live differently, still within STS, and inspire others to do the same.

If one learns that STS operates by enlarge via deception, manipulation and lies, then while still with an STS orientation, one can live against that, for instance. And that may mean that one begins to feel at odds with reality, but perhaps that kind of effort will not be visible entirely in this life, it may resonate at other levels of reality and one may have a different set of possibilities in 5D.

just speculating, but living in a 3D STS reality doesn't mean that STO bits cease to exist, or manifest in our reality, I mean we have the C's a 6D STO manifestation. It may remain a self serving notion but choosing not to deceive because one chooses to do so, because one wants to, is different than doing so because one has to in order to get to STO candidacy.

 

[Vajra91]

What I wonder is, if "learning to consciously suffer to grow awareness" is related to 4D STO principles? Or is it a 3D lesson to be learned? I hope I am not off topic also with the first quote. Maybe others can shed some light on it.

I'm really not sure.. But thinking about it, one could argue that the reason conscious suffering is so necessary for us is because we are STS in an STS realm, which very much strives to limit our awareness, no?
Once you are STO in a (4D) STO realm.. You would no longer be fighting your current self and the very nature of your realm, as growing in knowledge and awareness would be in the very nature of STO, right? So would conscious suffering be necessary?
Maybe to some extent.. To put yourself in the shoes of another (networking) and understanding the full extent of your actions and choices.. Or to observe from afar the actions of STS and it's consequences.. But then, does that even qualify as conscious suffering? Is the concept even applicable?
I'm not sure. Maybe others understand the subject better.

just speculating, but living in a 3D STS reality doesn't mean that STO bits cease to exist, or manifest in our reality, I mean we have the C's a 6D STO manifestation. It may remain a self serving notion but choosing not to deceive because one chooses to do so, because one wants to, is different than doing so because one has to in order to get to STO candidacy.

Agreed. I imagine that STO candidacy would necessarily have to be a consequence of one's choices, actions and nature/destiny. I don't think it could be the motivation. You find yourself at odds with STS, you start changing, you eventually end up as STO as a natural consequence (or you give up, I suppose)

 

[Ricardo]

Somewhat stating the obvious ( if you'll forgive me ) but sts learning profiles are not same as sto , and different even with regards to densities , to say that , STO at 3rd level lessons do not equate necessarily with lessons needed for 3rd STO to graduate to 4th STO ( same for other side of this coin of course ) however free will rules the whole shebang . ( my 2x cents / blah )

Session 11 March 1995 :

(...)

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?

A: Yes.

(...)


Session 17 December 1994 :

(...)

Q: (L) The 4th level STS beings intend to set things up so that they can rule us and feed off of us in 4th density. They want to bring everybody over to their way of thinking and their domination so that we will give them our energy and give up our free will... (DM) So, we are being set up. (F) Well, that is part of it. Don't you remember the battle that is supposed to ensue that has already begun at some level, and this will determine, in part, whether we will be STS or STO, which also is known at some level... (...)

(...)

 

[Wandering Star]

Once you are STO in a (4D) STO realm.. You would no longer be fighting your current self and the very nature of your realm, as growing in knowledge and awareness would be in the very nature of STO, right? So would conscious suffering beIt is possible that conscious suffering is also something for STS progression in 3D necessary?

It is possible that conscious suffering is also something for STS progression in 3D.

To sacrifice oneself to achieve a selfish goal.

 

[Ricardo]

(...) To sacrifice oneself to achieve a selfish goal.

As a matter of speculation , not sure on that , FRV , and a different environment, ie one where wishful thinking is enforced and , if you will ( retroactively ) the shadow of un-being that led such a potential creature to graduate to 4th STS , it seems pretty unlikely to happen at 3rd level STS , perhaps as a result of domination by other STS.

 

[Wandering Star]

As a matter of speculation , not sure on that , FRV , and a different environment, ie one where wishful thinking is enforced and , if you will ( retroactively ) the shadow of un-being that led such a potential creature to graduate to 4th STS , it seems pretty unlikely to happen at 3rd level STS , perhaps as a result of domination by other STS.

You've heard of marriages of convenience.

An old, ugly man like the devil who marries a beautiful young woman.

And..., there are fewer cases but the opposite also occurs.

Unless it's blind love, of course.