A Paleo Diet children's book - an experiment in group creativity

NewOrleans said:
Interesting conversation! Muxel did raise an important point: Children's books are told in pictures. Maybe it's best that I just START now, having a handful of suggestions from people. I'll just do it and incorporate what seems like a good fit. When I get to a stage where I can present full color pages maybe we can have a new presentation and response. Some new ideas were presented that have possibilities and things I didn't consider before, so, THANK YOU everyone. Onward. :)

I guess people do have different learning/thinking styles I could easily see crafting a story with pictures and adding the text afterwards. Or combining the visual and analytical approach... Make an outline, decide how long it should be roughly, create pictures, and add text. I think we have 3 elements right now:

(1) Intro - I also liked the archaeologist dad and the flashback, but is it enough of an intro? Should there be something going on in the present so that the time with the paleo-family is a sort of quest?

(2) Time with the paleo-family - There are quite a few ideas about what should be going on.

(3) Conclusion - This seems tricky. There should be a completion of a quest or something like a lesson learned or some way in general that what was learned in the past is brought into the present.
 
Sounds like a good outline, Patience. I'll continue to read, think and design some pages next. Everything is an opportunity to learn.
 
Hi NewOrleans,

WOW, great job so far! :thup:

NewOrleans said:
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be correct to use "alright" instead of "all right" in this text?

NewOrleans said:
And please someone call me out if I'm the only one seeing "peepee" and "poo" in the names. Excuse my potty mouth here. I read it last night, slept on it, read it again, and just decided I'd post it in case. :halo:

Muxel said:
1. Children's books are told in pictures, not words. Pages of beautifully intricate visuals, with a few words or none at all.
This is not true in all cases. I worked at a library for eight years and read hundreds of children's books during the weekly story time with the kids. In some books every other page was just text, but those ones all had illustrations on the pages next to the text. It really depends on what children's age group you're aiming for and what information you want to share. In addition, children's books are often read by others to the children while the child looks at the pictures and learns new words.

Your ideas and the ones you mentioned you liked so far sound really good to me! I think the time machine is a good idea too! From what I've observed about the content of children's books and kids' responses to them, they seem to really enjoy fantasy.
 
Scarlet said:
Muxel said:
1. Children's books are told in pictures, not words. Pages of beautifully intricate visuals, with a few words or none at all.
This is not true in all cases. I worked at a library for eight years and read hundreds of children's books during the weekly story time with the kids. In some books every other page was just text, but those ones all had illustrations on the pages next to the text. It really depends on what children's age group you're aiming for and what information you want to share. In addition, children's books are often read by others to the children while the child looks at the pictures and learns new words.

I agree that it depends on the children's age group. I really don't like the way books are going for older children, which my daughter is one, at the moment. Many of them are mostly pictures with terse conversations. A kind of "fast food" books.

What we've got so far is great. Very captivating story with the right amount of pictures and words.
 
Hi Scarlet and Bobo08,
Age appropriate makes all the difference, Bobo08. And this will definitely not be "fast food".
Scarlet, you have a good eye for catching details! "Alright" is right and the names, well, I see your point completely. I didn't even notice that. I was trying for "P" names to go along with Polly the main character, but you've convinced me that it's just too close to silly poop and pee words that kids will inevitably be giggling at and not listening. I'll come up with new ones OR if you have suggestions, I'll gladly drop those in. Your experience with understanding how kids listen to stories is invaluable. So glad to see your observations here. Pictures I can do.
I've been sifting through my stack of rough sketches and drawings tonight and see that I need to start with a new beginning. Laura suggested an archeologist dad with a Paleolithic skeleton and that sounds like a great beginning. I like the Time Machine idea too for a sense of adventure. It gives us an opportunity to bring it full circle in the end.
This is an experiment in group book design, so ideas are welcome. In the end, the focus of age group and appropriateness will work itself into place, I'm sure, with good judgement. But it's also about the Work. It's not about ME, it's about US. I hope this is not a distraction, but creativity-in-action for anyone who offers ideas.

More to come.
 
Patience said:
(3) Conclusion - This seems tricky. There should be a completion of a quest or something like a lesson learned or some way in general that what was learned in the past is brought into the present.

NewOrleans said:
Laura suggested an archeologist dad with a Paleolithic skeleton and that sounds like a great beginning. I like the Time Machine idea too for a sense of adventure. It gives us an opportunity to bring it full circle in the end.

I like the archaeologist dad and the time machine ideas very much too. But as far as I remember, kids of all ages love and need heroes. So, I've been thinking about what can make Polly a great hero... She should use her new Paleo knowledge and save somebody, even if that's her beloved doggie 'only'. Perhaps a cute dog, or any pet for the matter, could be even better as it wouldn't put too much burden on her shoulders, what do you think? I mean, I'm a little bit afraid of sending out a message that kids should feel responsible for their parents' well being. Then, the whole family can learn from the doggie's recovery. And all live a long and happy Paleo life together... :)
 
Dear Possibility of Being, I like this train of thought. There's a way, I'm envisioning, where we can bring this adventure to a conclusion that is capable of being fun,plus a learning experience, but, as you said, not burdensome. The focus, by staying simply on food choices and diet ,would work best. Because of the age group, I see a simple fun book if the focus stays close to home - healthy eating. Clearly, it's a book with a purpose but it won't be the Lord of the Rings Trilogy of Meat Eating. Well, not yet.

I've been thinking about the suggestions all day - letting them rattle around in my brain pan and not drawing conclusions too quickly - and I see Polly as a kid's hero who has a reasonable balance of boldness and curiosity in her. Her questions and answers over lunch can bring a lot of information in without being pedantic.

Maybe we can think a little further down that path of saving of her dog - or a more modest conclusion: perhaps she brings back something that solves her father's Paleo research with a "Eureka moment" and Polly "wins" by her helpfulness. Laura mentioned how a fossil tooth can reveal a lot about health. So MAYBE a "missing link" tooth discovery is the LESSON LEARNED, as Patience pointed out?

I'm thinking outloud here....maybe the modern era family is on an archeological dig and Polly, being a precocious child, invents her Time Machine while activity is going on?
 
NewOrleans said:
I'll come up with new ones OR if you have suggestions, I'll gladly drop those in.
I tried to think of other unique names and here's what came to mind: Parga, Perga, Paisha, Parla, Pearla, Parsha, Paola. Hmm, I don't know. I mean Pippi might be fine on its own, right? I just noticed it when both names were used together. Also, Paola is pretty close to Poola, so maybe that's a good one?

NewOrleans said:
I'm thinking outloud here....maybe the modern era family is on an archeological dig and Polly, being a precocious child, invents her Time Machine while activity is going on?
Thinking out loud is necessary for brainstorming, no? ;) Here are some more ideas for you.

Polly's archeologist father had to move to a new area for a new job and this made it so Polly had to say goodbye to all of her friends. The family moved in the summertime and Polly had the whole summer to herself without any friends to share it with. Polly's mom is busy taking care of her newborn brother and cannot give Polly the attention she wants. Her family decides to buy her a dog to entertain her while she waits for school to start when she can make new friends. Polly likes her new dog, but he's a pup and tends to run off sometimes.

Together Polly and the pup explore the hills by her house while dad is working and mom is watching the baby. The pup runs off and Polly gets upset looking for him. After some time she finds the pup and he has a bone. Polly takes it to her dad and he says it's a tooth from a saber-tooth tiger. He teaches Polly about paleolithic times. Polly's imagination runs wild and she tries to think of how life would be with woolly mammoths and saber-tooth tigers roaming the land. She imagines what the people would eat, how they would dress, sleep, etc. She starts having wild dreams that she has gone back in time.

Polly decides to make a time machine with a cardboard box that's left over from the move, but it doesn't actually do anything. Her dog keeps barking and leads Polly to a cave where there are more bones from the tiger. Polly takes the box along and she wanders inside the cave. She sees cave art, old tools, etc, and is amazed. Polly forgot that she is afraid of the dark, but suddenly realizes she is in the dark. She hides inside her box with her dog, scared and feeling lost because the dog led her far from her home. She falls asleep in the box, and wakes up to realize she and her dog have gone back in time! Right then the pup starts barking wildly and runs off! Polly gets very scared and desperately wants to find him so she can get back home to safety ASAP...

That's all I can think of right now. Hope something helps or at least sparks more ideas.
 
Yeaaaaaaaaah, Scarlet! You put a lot of good thinking into the storyline sequence. Well thought out. It's very much appreciated. I better hunker down and DRAW now that we have some direction. Again, thanks a lot!!
I'm grateful to everyone who has contributed ideas. Say, anyone remember Alley Oop in the old Sunday newspapers? I came across some old cells to see how another artist has handled Stone Age scenes. Now, to move ahead with my own and be original.....
 
NewOrleans said:
Yeaaaaaaaaah, Scarlet! You put a lot of good thinking into the storyline sequence. Well thought out. It's very much appreciated.

Good to know, thanks! I will try to think of more then and see if anything else comes to mind.

NewOrleans said:
I better hunker down and DRAW now that we have some direction. Again, thanks a lot!!

Do you think it would make more sense to write the book before illustrating it or at least getting too far with the illustrations? Then you know how much to edit out and use for pictures, in addition to what all should be in the pictures, right? The words could be edited easier than the artwork, I would think, but I don't know what methods you are using. Does it take long to make the art, NewOrleans? I tried to look online for information about how to write and illustrate a children's book, but couldn't find out which is recommended first. Hmm...
 
:) after reading this threat again, I thought about how to find out things what is good or not. From books I read to my two girls they always loved to listen to the book about detective, a boy who was searching simple answers to things. Even now my older girl is 12 and she ask me to read it again. The main figure modern girl could be daughter of detective and he could answer her many things after she come back home from the paleo land.

I think they like a little mystery in the books, to solve by the main character. What do you think?
 
Hello all,

The following story just sort of popped into my head while I was walking to work the other day, so I thought I would share it. I apologize for its length, but an entire story popped into its head. I suppose it should be written here.

DISCLAIMER #1 – I am not exactly suggesting this be our story, but their may be elements of it that are helpful to this effort.

DISCLAIMER #2 – The story I outline below is too long for a story that can be read completely to a child in just one night before bedtime. If we like the idea of a story as long as the one below, then dividing it into 3 or 4 chapters would make something that can be read in several nights.

DISCLAIMER #3 – There is quite a bit more text here than we would have in such a book I think. The illustrations should tell some of the story.

DISCLAIMER #4 - I just read Scarlett's post and liked those ideas as well.

DISCLAIMER #5 - I like the science flavor of the time machine idea as well. Like I said, the story below just popped into my head. It was influenced by Laura's daydream idea.

Introduction

Our heroine is playing with friend on a beautiful spring day.

The mother of the friend calls them in to have lunch where they eat a standard carby lunch: sandwich, potato chips, etc.

Later on, our heroine is back at home and not feeling well. At the dinner table, she is asking for the kinds of foods she ate at her friend's house despite feeling unwell; maybe pouting about why they can't have potato chips for supper. This can be presented as a departure from our heroine's normal behavior.

Her archaeologist father is introduced as he takes her up to his study, explains some elements of our paleo-ancestors and how archaeologists tell the difference between these ancestors and agriculturists by their state of health. This is when the father shows her the tooth putting it in her hand. The father tells our heroine that it is time for their nightly activity. They sit on the porch together each evening and watch the fireflies just before she goes to bed. Our heroine happily goes to the front porch with the tooth in her hand. Our heroine is watching the fireflies, thinking about what her father has said about their paleo-ancestors, and has the tooth in her hand.

This is the transition to the past. Suddenly, our heroine realizes that she is in a forest. The only thing that has not changed is the fireflies. She is terrified and is hearing sounds in the forest coming closer and closer.

The sounds turn out to be paleo-children who decide to bring our heroine to their home. Our heroine will seem upset and perhaps say she is lost and needs help. As they are walking to the paleo-village, the children are explaining that they snuck away from the fires to watch the fireflies. The coloring should be dark. Our heroine can not see much of how things are around her.

At the fires of the paleo-camp, the adults are discussing how to get our heroine back to her family (and perhaps remarking that they will need to talk later about their children sneaking off to go look at fireflies ;-) ). At this point we introduce an archetypal character. A grandmother enters the discussion. It should be somehow transmitted artistically that she is strong, wise, venerable, warm, and greatly respected though perhaps this is too nuanced for the type of art we will use. This grandmother will also be mysterious in the sense that she seems to understand where our heroine comes from. She tells the paleo-people that our heroine comes from a land too far away to be returned there at the moment and that she has come to them to learn some things. This can be done with a dramatic flourish by having the adults trying to decide what to do when the grandmother's rich voice announces from the darkness of night that no journey across the land can bring our heroine home. Then the grandmother steps into the light of the paleo-camp fires and explains that our heroine will have lessons to learn. This character will be used throughout the rest of the story to add context to our heroine's experiences and answer her questions.

Our heroine goes to sleep in the lodging of a particular paleo-family. The coloring should still be obscuring the amount of detail that our heroine can see around her. When she awakes, she leaves the lodging she is in and sees the village fully revealed in the bright and clear morning light.

Question on the village – What should their lodgings look like?

Time in Paleo-land

I am not at all sure what could happen here nor exactly what elements of paleo-diet and lifestyle that we want to highlight. I have something like this in mind:

Polly will become increasingly involved with her paleo-life throughout the spring into the summer and the fall. She is having various experiences still: description of their diet, playing with the paleo-children and doing their chores with them, talking to adults of various stations, etc. As a theme or at least introduction to paleo-life, our grandmother with her mysterious knowledge tells our heroine that she has something very special – the tooth. They make a pouch for it that our heroine wears around her neck. Then we have our heroine's time in this paleo-epoque; fully welcomed into the paleo-village life.

Transition back to the our heroine's normal life

Our heroine is becoming more and more homesick. She shares this with the grandmother who asks her what she was doing when she found herself in a new place. The grandmother takes our heroine to the place in the forest where our heroine arrived in paleo-land, has her take the tooth from the pouch and hold it in her hand, and watch the fireflies while she thinks about how much she loves her mom and dad.

Note on building up to our heroine's return to her home – Somewhere in the beginning of our heroine's stay, she is worried sick about the time that is passing and where her parents are. The grandmother takes her to a creek in the forest where there is a pool of water and tells our heroine to look into the pool. She sees herself and her father sitting on the porch frozen in time and knows thus that it is okay to stay a bit in these paleo-times.

Back in modern times

Our heroine is now back on the front porch with her father.

What is the context here so that we can present an appropriate lesson? This is a children's book for kids who have parents on a paleo-diet. It is not a kid's job to decide her own diet, so we are not teaching our heroine how to eat a paleo-diet exactly though that is part of it. We are teaching her why to avoid the numerous temptations to eat junk food when not eating at home.

So... We have our heroine speaking with her father on the front porch about how she does not want to eat that foods that she had at her friend's house, but she wants to keep her friend. This could even be a scene where something that our heroine says is a sort of clue to the father that something has clicked for our heroine, and it is curious for the father.

Then we can have some kind of conclusion about how it will be made possible for our heroine to have her friend and keep her diet.

For the adults who will read this book – We could have references for their research so that if the child asks questions about paleo-people then they can try to find some answers.
 
Exceptional, Patience! I'm downloading this as well as Scarlet's post - and several others - to keep taped above my work desk as I the artwork.
For the time being, I'm fiercely looking for paying assignments to keep my little boat afloat - wish me luck - but in those moments when I have free time I am sketching Paleo.
Over the weekend I started some scribbles to just "block out" the storyline. Nothing presentable to show quite yet. I've put little Polly in shorts and not a plaid skirt. I don't know any kids who wear dresses for playtime- what was I thinking? 1952?. Also switching from dinosaurs to whooly mammoths and doing a little anthropological research to know more about the period. "The Flintstones" cartoon is wrong research, LOL
I appreciate all the work you and everyone have put into the ideas. This will be so cool!
May the Universe send me the gift of work and inspiration to keep me going.
 
Kaigan, I don't mean to ignore your suggestion, it's a good one, but keeping this about diet and using the anthropological angle might be better suited. Thanks.
 

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