Afghanistan

There's an article on www.medialens.org, discussing this particular topic and how it was broadcast in the UK...

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2015/804-sick-sophistry-bbc-news-on-the-afghan-hospital-mistakenly-bombed-by-the-united-states.html

One of the defining features of the corporate media is that Western crimes are ignored or downplayed. The US bombing of a Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, on the night of October 3, is an archetypal example.

At least twenty-two people were killed when a United States Air Force AC-130 repeatedly attacked the hospital with five strafing runs over the course of more than an hour, despite MSF pleas to Afghan, US and Nato officials to call off the attack. The hospital's main building, which contains the emergency operating room and recovery rooms, was heavily damaged. Dave Lindorff noted:

'the hospital was deliberately set ablaze by incendiary weapons, and the people inside not incinerated were killed by a spray of bullets and anti-personnel flechettes.'

Lindorff added:

'The AC-130 gunship is not a precision targeting weapon, but a weapons system designed to spread death over a wide swath.'

Shockingly, MSF had already informed US military forces of the precise coordinates of the hospital in order to prevent any attacks. Indeed, the hospital is:

'a well-known and long-established institution with a distinctive shape operating in a city that until recently was under full [Afghan] government control. That the US/NATO command did not clearly know the function of that structure is inconceivable.'

MSF were unequivocal in their condemnation of the American attack. The hospital was 'intentionally targeted' in 'a premeditated massacre'. It was, they said, a 'war crime'. The organisation rejected US assurances of three inquiries – by the US, Nato and the Afghan government. Instead, MSF demanded an independent international investigation.

In the days following the attack, the US changed its official story several times. At one point, as Glenn Greenwald observes, the dominant narrative from the US and its Afghan allies was that the bombing had not been an accident, but that it had been justified because the Taliban had been using the hospital as a base; an outrageous claim that MSF vehemently rejected. It was even reported that an American tank had later forced its way into the hospital compound, potentially destroying evidence of the war crime that had just taken place.

Yes, the bombing was reported in the 'mainstream' media; sometimes with harrowing footage of ruined hospital corridors and rooms. Hospital beds were even shown where patients had burned to death. But the US bombing did not receive the extensive headline coverage and editorial outrage that it deserved.

If you are unsure of that, just imagine the response of the British media if it had been a Russian gunship that had bombed a hospital with the loss of 22 lives, despite pleas from doctors to call off the attack. Western leaders would have instantly condemned the Russian bombing as a 'war crime', and the corporate media would have taken their lead from the pronouncements coming out of the offices of power in Washington and London.

By contrast, we have not found a single editorial in any UK national newspaper condemning the US bombing of the hospital or calling for an independent investigation. This is one more example of the dramatic subservience of the corporate media to the state and indeed its long-term complicity in state crimes against humanity.

In the meantime, with nothing to say on Kunduz, the Guardian has found space to publish editorials on hoverboards and the Great British Bakeoff, as well as Guardian editor Katharine Viner's 'grilling' of George Osborne at the Tory party conference. To compound the paper's ignominy, it still proudly carries Tony Blair in its Comment section where it describes him merely as 'a former British prime minister', rather than the notorious and unpopular war criminal he so clearly is. That accurate description is only emphasised by the weekend's revelations of a memo written by Colin Powell, then George Bush's US Secretary of State, that Blair had pledged his support for a US invasion of Iraq fully one year in advance, even while telling Parliament and the country that a 'diplomatic solution' was still being sought.


Sopel's 'Mistake'
On BBC News at Ten on October 15, 2015, BBC North America correspondent Jon Sopel told viewers over footage of the ravaged Kunduz hospital that it had been 'mistakenly bombed by the Americans'. Not intentionally bombed, as MSF were saying, but 'mistakenly bombed'. BBC News were thereby adopting the Pentagon perspective presented earlier by General John Campbell, the US senior commander in Afghanistan, when he claimed that:

'A hospital was mistakenly struck. We would never intentionally target a protected medical facility'.

In fact, the US has done so before, many times. In November 2003, the first target of the huge American ground assault on Fallujah, following several weeks of bombing, was the city's General Hospital. This was a 'war crime', Noam Chomsky noted, and it was even depicted on the front page of the New York Times, but without it being labelled or recognised as such by the paper:

'the front page of the world's leading newspaper was cheerfully depicting war crimes for which the political leadership could be sentenced to severe penalties under U.S. law, the death penalty if patients ripped from their beds and manacled on the floor happened to die as a result.'

Going further back in time, US veterans of the Vietnam war have reported that hospitals in Cambodia and Laos were 'routinely listed' among targets to be struck by American forces. In 1973, Newsweek magazine quoted a former US army intelligence analyst saying that:

'The bigger the hospital, the better it was'.

And now, in the case of the MSF hospital in Kunduz, Associated Press reported that:

'US analysts knew Afghan site was hospital'.

Moreover, it has since emerged that the American crew of the AC-130 gunship even questioned whether it was legal to attack the hospital.

Our repeated challenges on Twitter to Sopel and his BBC News editor Paul Royall were ignored. Is this really how senior BBC professionals should behave when publicly questioned about a serious breach of impartiality? Simply deign not to answer?

However, one of our readers emailed Sopel and did extract a remarkable response from the BBC North America correspondent which was kindly forwarded to us.

Sopel wrote in his email:

'At this stage whether the bombing of the hospital in Kunduz was deliberate or accidental is the subject of an investigation - and I know there are doubts about the independence of the inquiry - but what it most certainly WAS was mistaken. Given the outrage the bombing has provoked, the humiliating apology it has forced the US into, the PR disaster it has undoubtedly been, how can anyone describe it as anything other than mistaken? If I had used the word accidentally you might have had a point.'

But this is, at best, disingenuous nonsense from Sopel. Most people watching his piece, and hearing him say that the hospital had been 'mistakenly bombed by the Americans', would have assumed he meant that the Americans had not intended to bomb the hospital rather than that bombing the hospital was misguided.

As we saw above, the notion that US forces did not know the target was a hospital is the Pentagon propaganda claim, and is not the view of MSF. Moreover, it contradicts the evidence that was both available at the time of Sopel's BBC News report and what has since come to light (that the US aircrew actually questioned the legality of the strike on a hospital). Christopher Stokes, general director of MSF, told Associated Press that the US bombing was 'no mistake'.

'The extensive, quite precise destruction of this hospital ... doesn't indicate a mistake. The hospital was repeatedly hit'.

The rest of Sopel's remarks in the exchange are irrelevant (the bravery of war journalists), verging on cringeworthy (his proud support of MSF with a standing order).

Sopel's attempt to exploit 'the outrage', 'the humiliating apology' and 'the PR disaster' to justify his use of 'mistakenly bombed' is desperate sophistry. Is he really trying to say that a war crime is 'mistaken' because it is a 'PR disaster', requiring a 'humiliating apology'?

Perhaps the airstrike was a 'mistake' in much the same way that the killing of eight Afghan schoolboys by US-led troops in 2009 was a 'mistake'? This was a 'mistake' that Nato brushed away with payments of $2,000 for each dead child, in a kind of macabre 'fire sale'.

Perhaps the airstrike was a 'mistake' in much the same way as the 2003 invasion of Iraq, in the eyes of Bridget Kendall, the BBC diplomatic correspondent. She declared on BBC News at Six:

'There's still bitter disagreement over invading Iraq. Was it justified or a disastrous miscalculation?' (BBC1, March 20, 2006)

That the Iraq invasion was, in fact, an illegal and immoral war of aggression – indeed, the 'supreme international crime' judged by the Nuremberg standard of war crimes – was not a permissible description for BBC News.

But that is the ideological norm shaping corporate media output and 'mainstream' debate. Western political and military leaders may occasionally make 'mistakes' or 'disastrous miscalculations'. But their essential intent is always honourable: to 'keep the Taliban at bay' (Sopel again), to destroy Islamic state or to 'bring peace to the Middle East'.

We asked John Pilger to comment on Jon Sopel's report for BBC News and his subsequent remarks on email. Pilger told us (via email, October 19, 2015):

'Serious journalism is about trying to set the record straight with compelling evidence. What is striking about Jon Sopel's report is that he offers not a glimpse of journalistic evidence to support his assertion that the US attack on the hospital was "mistaken" - thus calling into question facts presented by MSF: facts that have not been refuted and he makes no attempt to refute. Neither is the dissembling by the US military challenged by Sopel. Instead, he is "certain" the attack was mistaken. What is the basis of his "certainty"? He doesn't say; and he clearly feels under no compulsion to say. Instead, in full defensive cry, he tells us what an experienced frontline reporter he is, implying that his word is enough. Well, I have reported more wars than Sopel has had White House briefings, and I know - as he knows - that journalism of this kind is no more than a feeble echo of the official line. He does reveal his agency by telling us - quite unabashed -- that President Obama has "very little option" but to continue his campaign of destruction in Afghanistan. Some might call this apologetics; actually, it's anti-journalism.'

Perhaps it is not surprising that the header photo at the top of Sopel's Twitter page should show him listening respectfully to US President Obama. The tragic irony is that Obama, the 2009 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, has just committed a war crime in bombing Médecins Sans Frontières, the 1999 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
Can Won said:
There's an article on www.medialens.org, discussing this particular topic and how it was broadcast in the UK...

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2015/804-sick-sophistry-bbc-news-on-the-afghan-hospital-mistakenly-bombed-by-the-united-states.html

]One of the defining features of the corporate media is that Western crimes are ignored or downplayed. The US bombing of a Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, on the night of October 3, is an archetypal example.


By contrast, we have not found a single editorial in any UK national newspaper condemning the US bombing of the hospital or calling for an independent investigation. This is one more example of the dramatic subservience of the corporate media to the state and indeed its long-term complicity in state crimes against humanity.


I would think, one of the reasons UK National newspapers avoid condemning US activities in Afghanistan, is due to UK working together with the US in their war efforts. Even though the last UK military “tactical withdrawal” from their headquarters at Camp Bastion was last October 2014, due to "new" developments in Syria, the US Military have begun to focus on Afghanistan again with a Military build-up. Chances are British troops will be going back to Afghanistan?

Last British soldiers leave Camp Bastion as war in Afghanistan ends

October 14, 2014 - 'Tactical withdrawal' of hundreds of British soldiers from Camp Bastion carried out in almost complete secrecy, amid serious security concerns as Afghans take control of Helmand base

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/11189479/Last-British-soldiers-leave-Camp-Bastion-as-war-in-Afghanistan-ends.html


How many foreign troops are in Afghanistan?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11371138

October 15, 2015 -
Countries with troops still in Afghanistan include the US, Georgia, Germany, Turkey, Romania, Italy, the UK and Australia.

How many foreign troops are in Afghanistan now?

Nato ended its combat mission in Afghanistan in December 2014, leaving a 13,000-strong residual force used for training and counter-terrorism operations, including 9,800 US troops.

The US originally planned to withdraw all but a small embassy-based force of 1,000 troops by the end of 2016.

However, due to a growing Taliban threat, US President Barack Obama has announced he will maintain troop numbers at 9,800 for most of 2016.

About 5,500 troops will still be in the country when he leaves office in 2017.

The top US commander in Afghanistan, Gen John Campbell, said last week that an enhanced military presence would be necessary if the Taliban were to be repelled.


BBC News - Afghan conflict: What we know about Kunduz hospital bombing
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34444053

7 October 2015
Who is saying what?

MSF says the warring sides were well aware of the hospital's location in Kunduz, and that the bombing went on for a more than an hour despite repeated calls to US and Afghan military officials in Kabul and Washington to call off the strikes.

The US military has changed its account of how the air strike came about. Statements initially said US forces had come under fire, but then said air strikes were requested by Afghan forces under Taliban fire.

The US military chief in Afghanistan Gen John Campbell has admitted "the decision to provide aerial fires was a US decision, made within the US chain of command".

What does MSF want to happen now?

MSF says that statements from the Afghan and US forces imply they worked together to deliberately target the hospital - and amount to an admission of a war crime.

The organisation's president Joanne Liu says they "cannot rely on internal military investigations by the US, Nato and Afghan forces".

She has called on the International Humanitarian Fact-Finding Commission (IHFFC) - a never-used body established in 1991 under the Geneva Conventions - to investigate.

The IHFFC is "the only permanent body set up specifically to investigate violations of international humanitarian law", Ms Liu said, and she called on the commission's signatory states to activate an inquiry.

However, according to the IHFFC provisions, an inquiry needs the specific endorsement of the parties to the conflict.

Neither the US nor Afghanistan is a signatory, and therefore they would have to issue separate declarations of consent to the investigation of the Kunduz bombing.


According to the International Criminal Court (ICC), war crimes can include:
◾murder
◾mutilation, cruel treatment and torture
◾taking of hostages
◾intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population
◾intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historical monuments or hospitals
◾pillaging
◾rape, sexual slavery, forced pregnancy or any other form of sexual violence
◾conscripting or enlisting children under the age of 15 years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities.

What do international rules say about the bombing of hospitals?

International humanitarian law bans any attack on patients and medical personnel - indeed, any attack on medical facilities, which are zones that must be respected under the rules of war.

Even if combatants, such as the Taliban, take refuge in them, they should not be attacked.

Under rules established by the ICC, any such incident would probably result in too high a number of civilian casualties - what is called the rule of proportionality.

According to Human Rights Watch, "given the hospital's protected status and the large numbers of civilians and medical personnel in the facility, attacking the hospital would still likely have been an unlawfully disproportionate attack, causing greater harm to civilians and civilian structures than any immediate military gain.

"The laws of war require that even if military forces misuse a hospital to deploy able-bodied combatants or weapons, the attacking force must issue a warning to cease this misuse, setting a reasonable time limit for it to end, and attacking only after such a warning has gone unheeded," the group said in a statement.

Under international humanitarian law "constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects".

Medical units, the rules say, "must be respected and protected in all circumstances", although "they lose their protection if they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy".

Have there been other such bombings elsewhere?

In February 2009, nine people were killed by shells which hit a hospital in a rebel-held area of north-east Sri Lanka.

The hospital, in the town of Puthukkudiyiruppu, Mullaitivu district, was hit three times in 24 hours, and shells were said to have hit a crowded paediatric unit.

Sri Lanka's army denied it was behind the shelling. It accused separatist Tamil Tiger rebels of using civilians as human shields.

The International Committee of the Red Cross at the time called the strikes "significant breaches of international humanitarian law".

Last year, at least five people were killed and 70 injured by an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza.

Doctors at the al-Aqsa Hospital in Deir al-Balah in the central Gaza Strip say several Israeli tank shells hit the hospital's reception, intensive care unit and operating theatres.

The Israeli military said it had targeted a cache of anti-tank missiles in the hospital's "immediate vicinity".

"Civilian casualties are a tragic inevitability of [Hamas'] brutal and systematic exploitation of homes, hospitals and mosques in Gaza," it said in a statement.
 
This is getting to be like a "soap opera" ......

US Army intelligence system said down during hospital attack
http://news.yahoo.com/us-army-intelligence-system-said-down-during-hospital-185043824.html?soc_src=copy

The U.S. Army's $5 billion intelligence network, which is designed to give commanders battlefield awareness but has been criticized for years as a boondoggle, was not working in Afghanistan during the recent American air attack on a hospital, according to a member of Congress who has been in touch with military whistleblowers.

Significant elements of the Distributed Common Ground System, a network of computers and sensors designed to knit together disparate strands of intelligence, were off line in Afghanistan when U.S. commanders approved an air strike Oct. 3 that killed 22 staff, patients and others at a Doctors without Borders hospital in Kunduz, wrote Hunter, a California Republican, combat veteran and armed services committee member who has been a persistent DCGS critic.

"Senior Army leaders have gone to extraordinary lengths in recent years to deny evidence of the failures of the DCGS program, and I am asking for your help to prevent them from doing so following this tragic incident," he wrote.

Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

It's unclear whether the breakdown of key DCGS systems contributed to the decision to approve the air attack, which Pentagon officials say was a mistake. But the coordinates of the hospital were entered into an intelligence database that is part of the DCGS intelligence network, according to a U.S. official who would not be quoted because he was not authorized to discuss the matter.

The Army over the years has touted DCGS as having "saved lives" with its ability to fuse together various intelligence sources, including drone footage, mapping software, human source reports, social media and eavesdropping transcripts. But independent Army testers repeatedly have questioned the system's effectiveness. One testing report in 2012 said it was "not survivable," meaning it was at risk of failing in combat.

The Associated Press has reported that special operations intelligence analysts knew the Doctors without Borders facility was a hospital, and were circulating intelligence reports about possible enemy activity at the site. Some of those analysts were using a commercial software system made by Palantir, a Silicon Valley company that competes with DCGS, according to an Army official who would not be quoted because he was not authorized to speak publicly.

President Barack Obama apologized for the air attack to Dr. Joanne Liu, the international president of Doctors without Borders, who has called for an independent international investigation. U.S., NATO and Afghan investigations are looking into the matter. The U.S. has offered to compensate the families of those killed and injured.

Pentagon officials have said the military did not intentionally target the hospital, but they have not explained why the Army analysts who knew it was a medical facility were not able to convey that intelligence to commanders who approved the air strike.

Among the elements of DCGS that were not working, service members told Hunter, were the intelligence fusion server, which is supposed to allow seamless information sharing across various Army elements, and the cloud, which is supposed to offer connectivity to units in the field.

Hunter told Carter that his sources say they fear for their careers if they speak out publicly, because "members of Army leadership have previously gone to great lengths to protect this system and its proponents."

"Army Brigade commanders have told me of intimidation and threats after saying in writing that DCGS 'translates into operational opportunities missed and lives lost,' Hunter wrote to Carter. "Such actions are indicative of a climate that is contradictory to a transparent and objective assessment of the facts with respect to this system."
 
Death toll reaches 23:
http://www.sott.net/article/304718-Another-staffer-confirmed-dead-death-toll-rises-to-23-from-US-Kunduz-hospital-bombing

Death toll rises to 25 in Afghanistan hospital strike, as Pentagon report is delayed
http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-kunduz-probe-delay-20151023-story.html

Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said the Pentagon’s preliminary report on the deadly U.S. strike on a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan is taking longer than expected, as the humanitarian group confirmed the death toll from the attack is still rising.

Doctors Without Borders said Friday that one more staff member was confirmed to have been killed with two additional patients presumed dead, bringing the total to 25 victims.

“Efforts are ongoing to determine the identities of seven other unrecognizable bodies found in the wreck of the hospital, all of whom have now been buried,” said the medical charity — also known by its French name, Medecins Sans Frontieres, in a statement. “These unfortunately may not be final numbers.”

The Pentagon had expected to issue initial findings this week on the Oct. 3 attack on the hospital run by Doctors Without Borders, but Carter said that report was not yet complete.

“We want to get this done, but we want to get it done right,” Carter said at a Pentagon press briefing. “Accountability is part of our obligation to those who died in Kunduz and it must inform everything we do here at the Department of Defense.”

The Pentagon has offered few details of how American troops aboard an AC-130 gunship failed to realize that they were repeatedly bombarding the hospital – a campus occupying an area roughly the size of two football fields and surrounded mostly by empty land, except for a few houses across the road to the east.

The strike resulted in international outcry, including an apology from President Obama to Doctors Without Borders and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani. The Pentagon said it would pay to repair the hospital and has teams on the ground to work with families and civilians to determine appropriate payments.
 
on RT Yemen hospital hit by Saudi-led airstrikes - Medecins Sans Frontieres

https://www.rt.com/news/319817-yemen-hospital-saudi-strike/

Saudi-led coalition airstrikes have hit a Yemeni hospital run by Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders), the international humanitarian aid organization said on Tuesday, as cited by Reuters.

An "MSF facility in Saada, Yemen was hit by several airstrikes last night with patients and staff inside the facility," the group tweeted.
 
Now three weeks later at least 30 people have lost their life as a result of the hospital bombing in Kunduz according to https://www.facebook.com/medecins.sans.frontieres/posts/1111368485547504 (French FB page)

About the recent attack there is this from the FB: https://www.facebook.com/medecins.sans.frontieres/posts/1112078372143182
and this from their homepage, both in French: http://www.msf.fr/presse/communiques/yemen-hopital-msf-detruit-frappes-aeriennes-coalition and from Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/27/us-yemen-security-idUSKCN0SL0VK20151027
MSF has no doubt about who did the air bombing; Reuters mentions in the headline that Saudi Arabia denies responsibility.

If there is one more attack like this, I suggest this thread might need a new name.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/world/middleeast/doctors-without-borders-yemen-airstrikes.html?

Doctors Without Borders Says Yemen Hospital Is Destroyed

same scenario as in kunduz
coordinates were given
Operation theatre targeted
continues bombing
total destruction


“With the hospital destroyed, at least 200,000 people now have no access to lifesaving medical care,” Doctors Without Borders said in a statement. Hassan Boucenine, the group’s head of mission in Yemen, said in the statement that the attack was “another illustration of a complete disregard for civilians in Yemen, where bombings have become a daily routine.”

The operating theater and maternity ward were struck. The staff evacuated the hospital between strikes, and one staff member was slightly injured in the escape. The airstrikes then continued for at least two hours, leaving most of the facility in rubble, the group said.

Doctors Without Borders had supplied the hospital’s coordinates to the coalition about six months ago and reconfirmed them every month, Mr. Boucenine said. The group’s logo was on the roof.
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/world/middleeast/doctors-without-borders-yemen-airstrikes.html?

Doctors Without Borders Says Yemen Hospital Is Destroyed

Also included in the article:

[bThe president of Doctors Without Borders in France, Dr. Mego Terzian, confirmed that a hospital in Yemen had been bombed, saying that it was the 20th one in that region to be hit. [/b]

BEIRUT, Lebanon — A hospital in northern Yemen run by Doctors Without Borders was destroyed by warplanes belonging to a military coalition led by Saudi Arabia, even though the coalition had been given the coordinates of the hospital, the relief organization said Tuesday.

The coalition, of 10 Arab states, receives military and intelligence support from the United States and has been battling Yemen’s Houthi rebels since March. Bombings by the coalition have killed more than 1,100 people — the majority of civilian casualties during the war, according to human rights advocates. The airstrikes have also hit nonmilitary targets, including markets, houses and wedding parties.

The airstrikes then continued for at least two hours, leaving most of the facility in rubble, the group said.
 
'I Would Have Refused Such An Order’ – Former RAF Pilot Gives His View Of US Bombing Of MSF Hospital In Kunduz
http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2015/805-i-would-have-refused-such-an-order-former-raf-pilot-gives-his-view-of-us-bombing-of-msf-hospital-in-kunduz.html

In our previous media alert, 'Sick Sophistry', we examined media coverage of the deliberate US bombing of a Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan on October 3. In particular, we exposed the BBC's Pentagon-friendly reporting of the hospital as having been 'mistakenly' bombed.

On October 24, MSF announced that 30 people had now tragically died, up from the initial toll of 22. The humanitarian organisation, also known as Doctors Without Borders, continued to call for an independent international investigation into what it has called a 'war crime'. Associated Press has just reported new evidence 'that U.S. forces destroyed what they knew was a functioning hospital'.

The report comments:

'The Army Green Berets who requested the Oct. 3 airstrike on the Doctors without Borders trauma center in Afghanistan were aware it was a functioning hospital but believed it was under Taliban control, The Associated Press has learned.'

Damningly, AP adds:

'A day before an American AC-130 gunship attacked the hospital, a senior officer in the Green Beret unit wrote in a report that U.S. forces had discussed the hospital with the country director of the medical charity group, presumably in Kabul, according to two people who have seen the document.'

Meanwhile, there has still been no leading article in any UK newspaper backing MSF's call for an independent inquiry.

He had discovered our alert by following a link in a comment posted underneath a recent Guardian piece mentioning the attack.

The former pilot gave us his name but, for obvious reasons, wishes to remain anonymous. He told us that he has experience of flying fast jets and multi-engine aircraft, and that he served operationally in the Balkans, Kosovo, Afghanistan and elsewhere. As far as we can tell, he appears to be genuine. He wrote to us in a series of emails (October 21-24):

'First time I have ever come across your organisation and I am very impressed by your work.'

He then wrote

'It has been my firm opinion from the very beginning that Kunduz hospital was indeed deliberately targeted. I slightly digress from the Lindorff article in that the C-130 Gunship is a pinpoint platform with a choice of munitions. The fact that the hospital was targeted on five separate occasions with unerring accuracy simply underlines how deliberate this attack was. The Gunship itself is a revered weapon on the battlefield, manned by elite crews who are very highly trained. I was involved in the Afghan campaign almost from the beginning when things were pretty hairy. The aircraft of choice for UK Special Forces on the ground was the Gunship and they lobbied for a UK version. It is expensive and due to the side-mounted howitzer limited to one role and so their requests were denied. The Gunship gives unsurpassed support to troops on the ground because of its multi-hour endurance and loiter capability and the accuracy of its smaller calibre cannon and capability of its enormous 105mm howitzer.'

He continued:

'I do not accept that the target could have been mistakenly targeted. The crew and command centre would have been fully aware they were attacking a hospital. I followed one of your links suggesting that the C130 crew challenged their orders to target the hospital. This is the very least that I'd have expected to happen. I have extensive operational experience flying in Afghanistan. I am struggling to comprehend in what circumstance I would blindly follow an order to attack a fully manned civilian hospital. If the description provided by MSF's director-general is accurate I can say without hesitancy that I would have refused such an order for it is an obvious war crime. During the Kosovo war it was fairly routine for RAF Harrier pilots to return home with bombs still loaded because they had been unable to confirm visual acquisition of targets. RAF pilots are probably more inclined to think for themselves than American crews who are extremely tightly controlled. American military personnel give up many rights when they join up, but I am still disappointed that this crew did not appear to do more to challenge their orders. Back in the UK, we lost crown immunity many years ago and it is essential to challenge every questionable act carried out on the battlefield (our emphasis).

'Given that we agree that the hospital was deliberately targeted it would be useful to try and understand why. It is my opinion that whilst possible, it is unlikely that this was a mistake, intentional or otherwise, by Afghan commanders on the ground. I saw an unconfirmed report stating that US Special Forces were on the ground in Kunduz so it is unlikely that Afghans alone would have called in the attack. So the alternative is that the crew were given their mission from US Central Command or it was called in on the ground by their own people. This is why I doubt we'll see an independent inquiry. Very senior military officers would be on the hook for what happened in Kunduz because they would have authorised the sustained attack. It is still possible that the Kunduz hospital is seen as an operational "success"; the world of special operations is opaque. It is also a vague possibility that this was an act of gross incompetence, but that would still constitute a war crime. In any case, I simply do not believe it to be incompetence because of the sustained nature of the attack.'

He also commented on media coverage:

'The response in the mainstream media mainly consisted of repeating what came off the wires. Unfortunately, the US military changed their version several times which weakened their case immediately. My own experience of BBC journalists is positive but when it comes to describing a major news event there is an immediate suspicion of editorial control from on high. I think it is extremely valuable that you target both individual journalists and the reporting of such events in general. I absolutely commend this approach, which is why I am happy to support you in your endeavours.'

You may be shocked that even the deliberate bombing of a hospital may be regarded as an operational 'success'. There is no doubt that, were the full truth to emerge, the attack on the MSF hospital would be even more deeply embarrassing and damaging to Western interests than it already is. After all, 'we' do not commit war crimes; only 'our' enemies do that

Sopel's 'Mistake'
http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2015/804-sick-sophistry-bbc-news-on-the-afghan-hospital-mistakenly-bombed-by-the-united-states.html

On BBC News at Ten on October 15, 2015, BBC North America correspondent Jon Sopel told viewers over footage of the ravaged Kunduz hospital that it had been 'mistakenly bombed by the Americans'. Not intentionally bombed, as MSF were saying, but 'mistakenly bombed'. BBC News were thereby adopting the Pentagon perspective presented earlier by General John Campbell, the US senior commander in Afghanistan, when he claimed that:

'A hospital was mistakenly struck. We would never intentionally target a protected medical facility'.

In fact, the US has done so before, many times. In November 2004, the first target of the huge American ground assault on Fallujah, following several weeks of bombing, was the city's General Hospital. This was a 'war crime', Noam Chomsky noted, and it was even depicted on the front page of the New York Times, but without it being labelled or recognised as such by the paper:


'the front page of the world's leading newspaper was cheerfully depicting war crimes for which the political leadership could be sentenced to severe penalties under U.S. law, the death penalty if patients ripped from their beds and manacled on the floor happened to die as a result.'

Going further back in time, US veterans of the Vietnam war have reported that hospitals in Cambodia and Laos were 'routinely listed' among targets to be struck by American forces. In 1973, Newsweek magazine quoted a former US army intelligence analyst saying that:

'The bigger the hospital, the better it was'.

And now, in the case of the MSF hospital in Kunduz, Associated Press reported that: 'US analysts knew Afghan site was hospital'.
 
The official website of Doctors without Borders reports today:

Syria: Massive displacement in Northern Syria as violence escalates and intensifies

29 October 2015

At least 35 Syrian patients and medical staff have been killed, and 72 wounded, in a significant increase of air strikes on hospitals in Northern Syria, according to health staff supported by Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) inside Syria.

The escalation of attacks, which began in late September, have targeted twelve hospitals in Idlib, Aleppo, and Hama governorates throughout October, including six hospitals supported by MSF. Overall, six hospitals were forced to close, including three supported by MSF, and four ambulances destroyed. One hospital has since reopened yet access to emergency, maternity, paediatric and primary health care services remains severely disrupted.

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Although they do not specify who carried out those air strikes, sounds like they are hinting at Russia? But that's just ridiculous. :huh:

Doctors without Borders are now being bombed in Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and have just been banned from Donbass. Coincidence???
 
Although they do not specify who carried out those air strikes, sounds like they are hinting at Russia? But that's just ridiculous.

They don't mention and so I don't read them hinting. In Syria situation is so difficult that international staff of MSF is not permanently present (about two years ago several members of MSF were kidnapped, which barely escaped death). It is standard that only international staff can speak out what they witness (to maintain neutrality). so in this case it was only reported by hospital workers in hospitals MSF supports (supplies with medicines) that hospitals have been targeted. As MSF does not know who 'first hand' they cannot tell and therefore do not take position on who did it. More likely though that non russian forces are behind it.

ICRC mentions more or less the same, but goes further stating that no firsthand info is available that Russian strikes are responsable. No first hand means again that no international ICRC staff has witness it.

No firsthand info on alleged Russian 'airstrike' on hospital in Syria – Red Cross top executive - https://www.rt.com/news/320046-stillhart-red-cross-hospital-russia/
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
Although they do not specify who carried out those air strikes, sounds like they are hinting at Russia? But that's just ridiculous.

They don't mention and so I don't read them hinting.

Well, the phrases like "a significant increase of air strikes" and "escalation of attacks, which began in late September" kind of suggest it. Nobody except Russia has "significantly increased air strikes in late September in Syria".

And Western media seem to read it exactly so, e.g. Deutsche Welle's take on it:

MSF did not identify who was responsible for the "significant increase" in airstrikes. Russia has been carrying out an air campaign in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the same region since the end of September.

And again, this is ridiculous, imo.
 
US cites ‘press reports’ & secret ‘operational data’ as proof of Russia striking Syrian hospitals

30 Oct, 2015

The US maintains that Russian airstrikes hit hospitals and caused collateral damage in Syria. However, when asked to provide supporting evidence, Washington said that it bases its allegations on “press reporting” and unconfirmed accounts from “civil society groups.”

“We have seen some press reporting to that end. We have seen some Syrian civil society groups says that,” US State Department spokesperson John Kirby said. He did not name any specific organization or news outlet.

Instead, Kirby stressed that the US also has some “intelligence and operational information” but he firmly refused to share it.

“I’d tell you that we have some other operational information that lead(s) us to believe that Russian targeting has not only not been focused on ISIS/ISIL but has in fact caused collateral damage and some civilian casualties, to include some civil infrastructure,” Kirby said.

When asked by RT reporter Gayane Chichakyan to “offer something more solid” in terms of evidence that would support Washington’s beliefs, Kirby said: “No, I’m not going to talk about that.”

Kirby was then asked if he thinks the evidence should be made public. In response, he stressed that he just did so.

The US State Department has also refused to say if Washington has ever shared its intelligence showing that it hit hospitals with Russia.

“I’m not going to read out our diplomatic discussions and I’ve answered your question, and I think I’ve gone as far with it as I’m going to go,” Kirby said.

No comments. :deadhorse:
 
Well, the phrases like "a significant increase of air strikes" and "escalation of attacks, which began in late September" kind of suggest it. Nobody except Russia has "significantly increased air strikes in late September in Syria".

I agree Siberia. If MSF wanted to indicate only the timing, it is naiev at least to phrase it like that - the organisation should know such ambiguity will be abused by Western Media.
 
As it turns out, five out of six hospitals allegedly hit by Russian airstrikes in Syria do not even exist in the said areas.

The sixth hospital does exist, but it remains intact as of October 31, as can be seen from the Russian satellite images provided by the Defence Ministry, RIA Novosti reports. If you follow the link, you can see these images as compared to the earlier ones and also the fake image provided by Radio Liberty (the alleged ruins).
 
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