Alcohol

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My point of view about alcohol is indenent the person. Me i liked alkohol before. Now i don't drink and i think it's better.... I can tell you also that during when you are drinking it's possible to move to another dimension.. Greetings
 
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread because just reading about other's takes helped me to contemplate my own and had nothing to drink last night and very little the night before. It really is true that you are smarter when you don't drink. I like my brain and now I have to work on respecting it.
 
Villival said:
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread because just reading about other's takes helped me to contemplate my own and had nothing to drink last night and very little the night before. It really is true that you are smarter when you don't drink. I like my brain and now I have to work on respecting it.
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Great to hear, Villival. The clarity of thought was once of the biggest benefits I saw after quitting alcohol, and I think was also what helped keep me clear of it. I noticed that my mind would be quite slow and fuzzy for about a week after drinking which was probably due to the inflammation it caused.
 
I can imagine that alcohol diminishes buffers, which in exchange could bring deep buried emotions more to the surface.

But the EE-program can do the same more effectively without the horrendous inflammation.


[quote author=Renaissance]I noticed that my mind would be quite slow and fuzzy for about a week[/quote]

Same her, worthless state to be in and since drinking is rather common I wonder if people can even differentiate between how it feels to be healthy and not.

If people could experience the right way of living and eating healthy just for once. I wonder if they would be eager to turn back to old habits.

It’s a world of difference.
 
Renaissance, thank you. I haven't had anything to drink since I posted and I am astounded at the clarity. I would weep for all the lost brain cells over a lifetime but from now on is what counts. Can't say I will not have another drink, ever because I may, but for now you all have put it in the forefront of my vision and I am paying attention. Now, I remember why forums like these are so important. It was another about ten years ago that was instrumental in a lot of spiritual questing and I remember some of those people as great friends, though I never met them. Funny, how you get to know people by writing about how you feel and what you think.
 
Normally I would post the whole article here, but the commentary and bold part make it a better read on sott.net

https://www.sott.net/article/359809-Stop-claiming-alcohol-is-good-for-you-when-its-not

The MSM always spouts how good alcohol is, so the opposite must be true. And look at this: (I really don't know why this surprised me)

[quote author= article]Perhaps the more troubling aspect of alcohol research comes from its funding sources. The National Institutes of Health is launching a $100 million study into the potential benefits of alcohol consumption on heart health. Where's the money coming from? So far, five of the world's largest alcohol manufacturers have pledged over $67 million to a fund associated with the NIH. Alcohol suppliers have long offered their support of public health initiatives as a way of showing good faith to consumers and federal regulators. But this latest donation automatically calls into question the legitimacy of any of the study's future findings.
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But who needs a study for this. I mean, Whatever happened to ''listen to your body'' If you feel wrecked after, it's propably not a good idea to drink. But this logic doesn't seem to apply for many. (Didn't always apply to me either.)

And for those people who always say: ''You don't let someone drink alone''. I always let people drink alone. Not sharing the misery here.

I can't tolerate this stuff, seems you can only tolerate it somewhat if you drink it regularly.

Added: Not that this is meant as advice to drink regularly, quite the opposite.
 
Thanks bjorn. I tend to think of alcohol in a similar fashion. I used to drink quite regularly. I Never abused it, but I would partake at least 2-4 times a week and socially. Since I gave it up to focus more on a healthy diet and lifestyle five years ago, whenever I break down and try even one beer, the effects seem to last for days. Like Lilou discussed, I can have pseudo-vertigo-like symptoms when standing or moving my head. It can be a bit unpleasant, and I really don’t see the point in my case.
 
[quote author= CNS]Since I gave it up to focus more on a healthy diet and lifestyle five years ago, whenever I break down and try even one beer, the effects seem to last for days.[/quote]

Yeah same here, concerning that this article offers good points or so I think:


20 Common Things People Realize When They Quit Drinking Alcohol
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/07/10/20-common-things-people-realize-quit-drinking-alcohol/

Of all the culturally conditioned behaviors we’ve mindlessly adopted, alcoholism is one of the most curious. We know it is highly detrimental to personal health and that it directly contributes to myriad societal problems including violence and drunk driving. We also know that the alcohol industry is exceptionally lucrative while at the same time the police state uses this addiction to extend their authority.

Some argue that alcoholism is a spiritual disease, and that the consumption of ‘spirits’ is a means of giving the self up to our inner demons. Dr. Gabor Maté sees alcoholism as a means of covering up personal trauma and emotional pain, yet even without getting too deep into this it’s easy to see that abstaining from booze has some pretty incredible benefits for those seeking better health and greater awareness in life.

But what do dedicated social drinkers and outright alcoholics see when they give up ‘spirits,’ as they are called, and what can the observations from newly sober people tell us about the sicknesses running rampant in our society? What can we learn from them about the conditioned

Here is a list of the many common things people realize when they quit drinking booze, as compiled from a number of personal stories found online, all listed below in the footnotes:

1.) The first major thing people see is a dramatic improvement in overall physical health. This commonly includes significant weight loss, improved digestion, greater energy and less fatigue, clearer skin, and they no wake up with even mild hangovers, headaches or nausea.

2.) Improvements in mental health include decreased overall anxiety, improvements in depression, much higher levels of mental clarity, improved memory, better concentration, increased sense of connection, decreased levels of stress, higher self-esteem, greater motivation and a more positive outlook on life in general.

3.) Sleep dramatically improves. They find it much easier to fall asleep, they sleep much better throughout the night, and they feel much more rested upon waking.

4.) They commonly see big changes in their attitude towards other people, noticing that it tends to be easier to see things from the perspective of others as they feel less self-absorbed. They find it much easier to be empathetic towards others.

5.) Quitting drinking typically saves a great deal of money.

6.) They save a great deal of time as they get their evenings, night-time, an mornings back. They frequently embark in new endeavors or try new activities which were impossible to do with an alcoholic lifestyle.

7.) They realize that they don’t actually need to drink to have fun and enjoy themselves at parties and social gatherings, thus exposing the great cultural lie that alcohol equals a good time. For many, they discover that alcohol actually strains social relationships rather than strengthening them.

8.) They begin to see themselves for who they really are, no longer using alcohol as a mask behind which to hide. This can be both enlightening and startling as they are forced to accept both the good and the bad aspects of the self. They must then choose how to confront the emotional realities of their life. Something that is all but impossible with regular consumption of alcohol.

9.) They realize that alcohol tends to make personal problems worse.

10.) People find they have fewer regrets when living alcohol free. Not only do they not do stupid, risky and troublesome things when drunk, but they also are more available to experience more from life.

11.) Quitting is both very difficult and very easy. The first stretch when they stop drinking is the most challenging, as the cravings for booze must be reckoned with, yet once they’ve experienced sobriety, they find it is much easier than they had imagined to stay sober, even when hanging out with drunk people.

12.) For some reason it really makes drinkers uncomfortable to be around someone who is abstaining. They realize that people who drink are incredibly judgmental towards non-drinkers, and will try anything to get a sober person to join the party with a drink. They will even make fun of you or put you down.

13.) They notice that many people are just assholes when they drink. This is not always easy to see when partaking in booze with everyone else, but with the clarity of sobriety, many find that the quick-witted social rock stars appear that seem so impressive at the bar are just really attention seeking jerks.

14.) They realize that booze fueled conversations are actually boring, ego-driven and quite superficial, as well as highly prone to aggressiveness, bickering, fighting and ill sentiments.

15.) They realize that people can be just as toxic as substances, and that many relationships are not able to survive without the crutch of booze. They tend to learn a great deal about who their true friends really are.

16.) They begin to understand that alcoholism is in large part an environmental disorder, meaning that it is just as easy to not drink once a reasoned change has been made to their environment, who they spend time with, who they work with, and what they do in their free time.

17.) Alcohol is the least fulfilling and least interesting buzz available, when compared to many other mind-altering and mind-expanding substances people take to alter consciousness.

Note: I don't believe mind expanding substances in general offer a lot of inspirational moments.
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18.) They find it easier to make healthier choices in general, choosing better foods, drinking more water, taking more exercise, and purposefully sleeping better.

19.) They find that not drinking allows them to experience a greater level of spiritual awareness and consciousness in their everyday lives.

20.) They find that a return to drinking alcohol is often immediately gratifying with one or two drinks, but that shortly after consuming even a small amount of alcohol they feel crappy, lethargic, spaced out, dizzy and off.

Final Thoughts

Not drinking alcohol can give you a serious edge in a society where most everyone else is boozing it up on a regular basis. The zeitgeist of alcohol is that it makes life more fun, but the reality is that it is a massive industry pushed onto the public which has created a culture of self-destructive behavior.

Changing your personal habits to improve your health, mental clarity and spiritual awareness is challenging, but doing so is perhaps the single most critical facet of personal development. Many people find that abstaining from booze makes this process much easier.
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bjorn said:
20 Common Things People Realize When They Quit Drinking Alcohol
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/07/10/20-common-things-people-realize-quit-drinking-alcohol/

Not drinking alcohol can give you a serious edge in a society where most everyone else is boozing it up on a regular basis. The zeitgeist of alcohol is that it makes life more fun, but the reality is that it is a massive industry pushed onto the public which has created a culture of self-destructive behavior.
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It's a very neat and informative summary. Realization of the industry making me like it and do it is pretty scary. Personally I can have a beer once in a month when going out with friends or on some special occasions. Though it usually makes me sleepy and not much fun at all. And not drinking has much more positive effects than drinking
 
It all depends of how much you drink. One beer/glass of wine from time to time won't do any harm.
It can do positive things if you are really down, but the biggest problem people have is having control and be able to stop.
So, if you can control yourself and drink a little occassionally, you are not in problem and won't spoil your health.
 
A very interesting article on "alcohol's effects on brain and behavior:
Over the past 40 years, rigorous examination of brain function, structure, and attending factors through multidisciplinary research has helped identify the substrates of alcohol-related damage in the brain. One main area of this research has focused on the neuropsychological sequelae of alcoholism, which has resulted in the description of a pattern of sparing and impairment that provided an essential understanding of the functional deficits as well as of spared capabilities that could be useful in recovery. These studies have elucidated the component processes of memory, problem solving, and cognitive control, as well as visuospatial, and motor processes and their interactions with cognitive control processes. Another large area of research has focused on observable brain pathology, using increasingly sophisticated imaging technologies—progressing from pneumoencephalography to computed tomography, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), diffusion tensor imaging, and functional MRI—that have enabled ever more detailed insight into brain structure and function. These advancements also have allowed analysis of the course of brain structural changes through periods of drinking, abstinence, and relapse.
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Read the whole article here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3625995/
 
PerfectCircle said:
It all depends of how much you drink. One beer/glass of wine from time to time won't do any harm.
It can do positive things if you are really down, but the biggest problem people have is having control and be able to stop.
So, if you can control yourself and drink a little occassionally, you are not in problem and won't spoil your health.
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I've often found the opposite to be true. That when I've been down in the past and turned to alcohol, even though in the short term it felt pretty good to drink, it would just add to whatever it was I was going through and furthered my dependency on it to deal with problems. But that's just me and other's might be different. Although for celebrations, weddings, things like that, I've seen no issue with having a drink if the occasion calls for it. So context is important.
 
Zadius Sky said:
Adam, I think it's really depends on an individual profile. I am both non-smoker and non-drinker. I once smoked 17 cig. a day to try it, but it didn't do me any good. I once drank half a glass of beer, but it got me so drunk so fast that I passed out. So, I backed off from both of them and I had no desire whatsoever to try them again.

What I'm saying, as my suggestion, is don't try to force yourself when drinking or smoking just because of the benefits. At least, that's my take on it. Others may have good suggestions.

For what it is worth.
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If something has any benefits does not mean necessarily is good for everybody,as Zadius say depends on an individual profile ;)
 
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