Alex Jones - COINTELPRO? Fascist Tool?

Laura said:
Alex Jones "christian" connections suggest that he is just another face of the Dominionist movement trying to corral 9-11 "truthers". It's the same old story of Protocol 12 over and over again: create fake opposition that you carefully control and which gives you inside info on your opponents.

AH-HA!!! :wow: That's it! He is just like an evangelist preacher!!! :evil: The yelling and thumping and accusing....holey moley! There it is. Dominionist! Oh why could I not see, mine ears must have been blind. :halo:
 
The thing I don't undersand is, if Jones is COINTELPRO, and he is being puppeted to send people down the wrong track, isn't it a very dangerous game to play on the PTB's behalf when by using Jones to disseminate information in order to send people on a wild goose chase, they are also allowing him to bring to public view some information that could potentially produce a critical mass of people that are AGAINST the PTB itself. It seems like a very risky game for them to play. And I know it's been said on another thread that if he isn't COINTELPRO, he would have been taken out by now. If that is the case then surely Cassiopaea and SOTT would also not be allowed to exist. I'm not saying I believe that Jones is or isn't COINTELPRO or that Cass/SOTT is, but this is the conundrum i'm faced with.
 
Conker said:
...isn't it a very dangerous game to play on the PTB's behalf when by using Jones to disseminate information in order to send people on a wild goose chase, they are also allowing him to bring to public view some information that could potentially produce a critical mass of people that are AGAINST the PTB itself. It seems like a very risky game for them to play.

You've just defined COINTELPRO. It's called "controlled opposition". Any critical mass of people "against the PTB" makes a revolution. A revolution creates a new PTB. They have their bases covered.
 
Consider the possibility that it's not just about keeping the people asleep and ignorant. That HAS been the agenda for a long time, but in recent decades something like a "spirit of awakening" has crept into the human consciousness. Consider the 60's in the US and in other places around the world. During the 60's everyone was all about "love" and "peace" and "consciousness "expanding". There were many "leaders" of that movement and at the time they were the opposition. They were talking about peace, anti-war anti-government etc. But how many of them were leading the people, very subtly, down the wrong track. How many were actually agents of the govt? Did you read Dave McGowan's Inside Laurel Canyon series?

So imagine now that another, and perhaps more important "quantum shift" in consciousness is due or happening, and that there is potential for people to truly change, to truly "grok" the nature of their reality, or something close to that. So what is the truth that the people need to understand? What action do people need to take? Is it the type of action that Jones is espousing? Is it obvious that Jones' message has a strong militaristic essence to it. He is all about radicalisation and ultimately, if necessary, armed resistance to the state. Now, if there is some nexus point coming up, when what people really need to do is become aware of the deep lies we have been told about the world and ourselves in it, and to simply embody that awareness and peacefully resist the government agenda, then how destructive might Jones's message really be to all those who are sucked in by it's "gung ho" "take back the government" message.
 
Perceval said:
Consider the possibility that it's not just about keeping the people asleep and ignorant. That HAS been the agenda for a long time, but in recent decades something like a "spirit of awakening" has crept into the human consciousness. Consider the 60's in the US and in other places around the world. During the 60's everyone was all about "love" and "peace" and "consciousness "expanding". There were many "leaders" of that movement and at the time they were the opposition. They were talking about peace, anti-war anti-government etc. But how many of them were leading the people, very subtly, down the wrong track. How many were actually agents of the govt? Did you read Dave McGowan's Inside Laurel Canyon series?

So imagine now that another, and perhaps more important "quantum shift" in consciousness is due or happening, and that there is potential for people to truly change, to truly "grok" the nature of their reality, or something close to that. So what is the truth that the people need to understand? What action do people need to take? Is it the type of action that Jones is espousing? Is it obvious that Jones' message has a strong militaristic essence to it. He is all about radicalisation and ultimately, if necessary, armed resistance to the state. Now, if there is some nexus point coming up, when what people really need to do is become aware of the deep lies we have been told about the world and ourselves in it, and to simply embody that awareness and peacefully resist the government agenda, then how destructive might Jones's message really be to all those who are sucked in by it's "gung ho" "take back the government" message.
I fully agree on all points here, absolutely I do and in reflection I came up with many plausible reasons why Jones is very likely to be COINTELPRO. And your points have helped to solidify my thoughts as they are indeed valid points. When I spoke of a critical mass of people, I also meant a number of people that having been shown that they have been lied to by the PTB, Jones could be helping to enlighten them (so to speak), that these people would start to think for theselves. Or at least some of them would. I didn't portray that point in my previous post, which is my fault. But getting back to it, do the PTB not fear that this "enlightenment" to their lies could lead to critical thinking? Surely this is a danger to them, albeit only a small minority would awaken to think like this. But as i'm typing I can see why it would not be a threat to the PTB, due to those awakening to critical thinking only being a small minority and not a critical mass. And the sheer neck of these people ensures that they certainly don't mind taking risks. 9/11 for example....
But Alex Jones, could it be possible that he is well meaning, although gung-ho, and that his approach to expose the PTB is well, merely immature (in relation to critical thinking on his behalf) so to speak? I just don't know.
 
Also, consider this article from Global Research:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10341

Pre-election Militarization of the North American Homeland. US Combat Troops in Iraq repatriated to "help with civil unrest"

by Michel Chossudovsky
September 26, 2008


The Army Times reports that the 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team is returning from Iraq to defend the Homeland, as "an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks." The BCT unit has been attached to US Army North, the Army's component of US Northern Command (USNORTHCOM). (See Gina Cavallaro, Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1, Army Times, September 8, 2008).

"Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. ...

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga.,

...

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they'll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it. (ibid)
The BCT is an army combat unit designed to confront an enemy within a war theater.

With US forces overstretched in Iraq, why would the Pentagon decide to undertake this redeployment within the USA, barely one month before the presidential elections?

The new mission of the 1st Brigade on US soil is to participate in "defense" efforts as well as provide "support to civilian authorities".

What is significant in this redeployment of a US infantry unit is the presumption that North America could, in the case of a national emergency, constitute a "war theater" thereby justifying the deployment of combat units.

The new skills to be imparted consist in training 1st BCT in repressing civil unrest, a task normally assumed by civilian law enforcement.

What we are dealing with is a militarization of civilian police activities in derogation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The prevailing FEMA emergency procedures envisage the enactment of martial law in the case of a terrorist attack. The 1st BCT and other combat units would be called upon to perform specific military functions:

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the "jaws of life" to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

"It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we're undertaking we were the first to get it."

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

Civil unrest resulting from from the financial meltdown is a distinct possibility, given the broad impacts of financial collapse on lifelong savings, pension funds, homeownership, etc.

The timing of this planned militarization is crucial: how will it affect the presidential elections scheduled for Tuesday November 4.

The brigade in its domestic homeland activities will be designated as the Consequence Management Response Force ( CCMRF) (pronounced "sea-smurf").

What " Consequences" are being envisaged?

In a conference held under NorthCom last February, the mission of CCMRFF was defined as follows;

"How to protect communities from terrorist and biological attacks topped the agenda last week for more than 100 service members and civilians gathered at Joint Task Force Civil Support headquarters at Fort Monroe, Va.

The U.S. Northern Command Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and High-Yield Explosive Commanders' Conference, held Feb. 21-23, brought JTF-CS subordinate task force and unit commanders here to discuss common concerns regarding operational requirements of the CBRNE Consequence Management mission and to begin preparations for Exercise Ardent Sentry 2007.

"We're giving operationally focused briefs to our CCMRF ( CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force) units to help them prepare and successfully deploy for a CBRNE mission in the continental United States, its territories and possessions," said JTF-CS Current Operations Specialist Hawley Waterman, who helped organized the conference. "This is also an opportunity to get acquainted and establish better relationships with (subordinate commanders)."(NorthCom, March 2007)

What is envisaged is the possibility of a (false flag) terrorist attack on America, which could be used as a justification for retaliatory or preemptive military action overseas (e.g. Iran) as well actions on the domestic front. The ultimate objective of this deployment of 1st BCT is to apply combat experience in the Homeland:

"I can't think of a more noble mission than this," said Cloutier, who took command in July. "We've been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you're going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones."

While soldiers' combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don't apply.
The operation officially has an emergency mandate to "help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris", but it also implies the running of military style operations. :in fact it would appear that the emergency tasks helping civilians is a cover-up. This is a combat unit, which is trained and equipped to kill people:

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they'll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That's because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included The active Army's new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they'll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

"It is a concern, and we're trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability," he said.

A national emergency could be triggered. "[H]orrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive [attack]" or a so-called CBRNE type scenario. One assumes that this is some form of domestic attack, allegedly by terrorists.

But at the same time, the Bush administration may be seeking a justification to establish martial law and intervene militarily within the USA.

"I don't know what America's overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they're called," Cloutier said. "It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home." (Army Times, op cit , emphasis added)

"This type of planning and coordination and training is a priority both in our headquarters and at NORTHCOM, as we understand our responsibilities to be ready should the requirement arise, God forbid," (Army News Service Sept 15m 2008)


The deployment of an Army combat unit on US territory, with a mission to curb "social unrest" constitutes a dangerous historical precedent. It creates a new legitimacy, namely that combat units can integrate civilian law enforcement functions and that this comes to be accepted both by the US Congress and the American public.

It should also be understood that the combat units repatriated from Iraq to "defend the Homeland" will be replaced by mercenary forces.

What would Jones have his followers do in response to this scenario? "Get out your guns?" This surely would seal the fate of all who heeded his call and gift the government with a perfect opportunity to clamp down on EVERYONE. A perfect usurpation of the "awakening potential" indeed!

Maybe people are not starting to get a clearer picture of what we have been saying all along about Jones and co.
 
Perceval said:
What would Jones have his followers do in response to this scenario? "Get out your guns?" This surely would seal the fate of all who heeded his call and gift the government with a perfect opportunity to clamp down on EVERYONE. A perfect usurpation of the "awakening potential" indeed!

Maybe people are not starting to get a clearer picture of what we have been saying all along about Jones and co.

Yes, Jones and many others are leaders. They are leading minds down the path of armed insurrection. Or leading people to see a specific enemy - Zionists, Neocons, Government, PTB, USA, Iran, ....) And others are just filling minds with distraction.

But Jones and most of the rest are not being the example of helping people to think. When you factor in psychopathy in all levels of reality, all socioeconomic levels, all cultures, all races, you begin to see that almost everything from the top down for millennia has been lies and tools for control by this group of humanity - religion, government, wars, free market, democracy, socialism, ... You name it, every facet of reality is polluted and subverted to control the normal person and to the advantage of psychological deviant.

And now we are seeing the desperation of that diseased psychological system thrashing in its death throws, and it will do anything to survive, normal people are nothing.
 
To add to the above two posts ;), I would like to say that violence, turmoil, death, destruction, man against man....all of this is what the 4dSTS have been wanting - and receiving - all along. And this is what Jones is trying to continue to deliver.

The PTB know that people are waking up and so to lead them down the wrong path, they have agents, like Jones, whip them up into a frenzy so that critical thinking is no longer a danger. And, with the leading on of Jones et al, they are led along the path of destruction instead of the path to creation. :scared:

Can you see this? This is how cointelpro works. So subtly that if you are not aware of it, you will succumb to it. :( Or so I think.
 
Sheesh! I am just sooooooo freakin DONE with "LEADERS"! Egos like this Jones dude just end up goin totally psychopathic, in their own little 'personal' style.
People, we got to own our own power, understand that the whole "leadership"/charismatic/power-figure syndrome is obsolete. Get over it. Palin, Obama, whomever! It's all the same bovine droppings.
I "got" Jones when I heard his attitude regarding Native/Indigenous/Aboriginal/Shamanic/"pagan" cultures and such. Complete denigration, dismissal.
He is not about "consciousness", evolution, the Work, wisdom or anything in that vein. :zzz:
If he's not a complete psychopath, he seriously needs self-reflecting, therapy, or whatever. And the "counter-culture" is full of this type, and we should all just be aware that this type of personality is not to be trusted when it comes to life and death matters, as they will want to come forward as "leaders" when it all breaks down.
Yes, Laurel Canyon series contains many many lessons. (Regrettably, I can hardly get anyone to read it...)
Don't follow leaders, watch yer parkin meters...... :cool2:
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It's a good day to die.
 
yep, i can concur with these assessments of alex jones. i used to listen to his program nonstop, and for someone who enjoys talk radio, boy can he talk! he talks for hours, and hours, and hours, and amidst the noise you can hear his passion, but in the end all his good intentions are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of his anger, and clouded by the emotional runaway train that is prison planet.

from what i remember (his material is a bit of a blur) he is careful to not directly advocate violence, but what i think he does not understand is that people will receive his message as an advocation for violence, and he will find himself standing at the helm of a revolutionary army, and at that point all is lost for his cause and as well for the people who followed him there.

imo, his actions are also rather childlike at times, though i suppose they could be interpreted as revolutionary "fire" (?). he throws papers off his desk in a rage, he blabbers himself into verbal knots from which the only escape is to scream "NEW WORLD ORDER!! DON'T YOU GIT IT!?" -- and more often than not he ends up in these ridiculous analogies in an attempt to explain what he's trying to say, instead of rationally working through his ideas and explaining them clearly.

i "like" alex, honestly, he seems like he has very good intentions. however, data overwhelmingly points to him being a distraction - an instrument of fear and confusion. in that light, it's a bit sad, really... if he had his wits about him he may have been really effective at spreading the truth in a level-headed way... "there but for the grace of god", so to speak...
 
JonnyRadar said:
however, data overwhelmingly points to him being a distraction - an instrument of fear and confusion.

And it is important to remember that he could be conscious or unconscious that he is playing such a role. But either way, the result is the same.
 
I saw this youtube vid entitled: "Believe or Dont Believe this video will make you think - million FEMA Coffins - Why?" _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epMeGr-wDc0

It did make me think.

Firstly, gosh is it true? then 'why is it shot in a 'blair witch project' way, when they are next to a public highway?'

There are other fear mongering videos by alexjones and infowars incorporating the video footage and sensationalising what is essentially lots of plastic boxes. The theories are quite plausible but from some comments I found this article: -http://www.morgancountycitizen.com/?q=node/7524 which does seem more logical and shows some investigation behind it.

Interesting to see how a few black boxes can be spun into 'death for millions of American's' - cause a great deal of panic, fear and distraction.

Conspiracy or simply storage?
Submitted by editor on Mon, 08/11/2008 - 13:50.

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Theories surface around vaults stored in Madison

By Kathryn Purcell
Managing Editor


Type in “Madison, GA” under Google’s Blog Search, and it shows up on the first page. Search “Madison, GA” on YouTube, and it’s the first video that shows up. Web sites like Alex Jones’ Infowars.com and AboveTopSecret.com are talking about it.

As of late, some of these sources have started to link the government, particularly the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to rows and rows of black, plastic “coffins,” 500,000 to be exact, currently being stored outdoor in a field within the city limits of Madison.

Theories abound as to whether these are being stored near a major transportation hub (Atlanta) in an effort by the government to prepare for American victims of biological warfare, or whether they are being stored for a natural, or man-made, disaster. Even more sinister, some of these sources speculate that these “coffins” are part of a conspiracy on the part of the government that involves the institution of martial law, the separation of desirable and non-desirable citizens, according to government opinion, and the establishment of American concentration camps, some of which are currently functional, according to these sources.

“Yep, these are cheap plastic coffins. Hundreds of thousands of them. Don’t believe it? Why coffins? Why in the middle of Georgia?” the entry “Half a Million Plastic Coffins?” on Alex Jones’ Infowars.com, dated July 18, states. “Well, apparently the Government is expecting a half million people to die relatively soon, and the Atlanta Airport is a major airline traffic hub, probably the biggest in the country, which means Georgia is a prime base to conduct military operations and coordination. It is also the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control. I don’t want to alarm anyone, but usually you don’t buy 500,000 plastic coffins ‘just in case something happens,’ you buy them because you know something is going to happen. These air tight seal containers would be perfect to bury victims of plague or biological warfare in, wouldn’t they?”

While the origins of the theories are unclear, there are blog postings that date back to December 2007 (AboveTopSecret.com), although the majority of postings have come within the latter half of July.

And, according to Vantage Products Corporation Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, that’s exactly when the calls started pouring in.

“It’s been going on for quite a while, about a week,” Lacey said.

Lacey maintains that the theories regarding the property, and what’s on it, aren’t quite accurate.

The “coffins” aren’t coffins at all, according to Lacey. Instead, they are burial vaults, “the outer container for caskets,” Lacey said, placed in the ground before the coffin to protect the coffin and maintain level ground above.

There are currently 50,000 of these burial vaults on the property, according to Lacey. As the vaults were placed on the site around 1997 or 1998, there may have been as many as 70,000 or 80,000 to begin with.

“It’s nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet,” Lacey said.

This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage’s Standard Air Seal model in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacey calls the funeral industry’s “pre-need.” This “pre-need” occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn’t have to go through the perceived stress of making the arrangements. When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.

So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.

Further, pallets of the burial vaults are moved truckloads at a time, as there is space for a palate at the

Contrary to the beliefs of the theorists, then, the burial vaults aren’t owned by the government, or FEMA. Instead, they’re owned by individuals, or not yet sold.

“They’re not owned by any one individual, company or the government,” Lacey said.

Further, Vantage leases the land, located at 1200 Madison Industrial Boulevard, from Conyers Welding & Supply and has for four to five years, a fact confirmed by Conyers Welding & Supply. Conyers Welding & Supply took over the lease when the property was purchased from Robert Usury in 2000. Usury purchased the property in 1989, according to information provided by the Morgan County Tax Assessor’s Office and the Morgan County Online Public Property Portal.

The answer as to why the vaults are being stored in Madison? To put it simply, the Covington-based manufacturer got a good deal close to home.
“It was the most cost-effective place,” Lacey said.
 
Pob said:
I saw this youtube vid entitled: "Believe or Dont Believe this video will make you think - million FEMA Coffins - Why?" _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epMeGr-wDc0

It did make me think.

It made me think too. The first thing I thought was - 1 million dead all in a short time frame is huge. Who would even think FEMA or government would even bother with coffins, what a crock of baloney.

My two cents anyway.
 
Alex Jones woke me up, and for that I'll always have a soft spot for him. A friend gave me a Terrorstorm DVD with prisonplanet.com written on it, and after watching it and having my world blown (I was in a receptive state for that, the cognitive dissonance had been building for a while) I went straight there. At first I felt some trepidation: I could see the Jones' rabbit hole went deep indeed, and was unsure if I wanted to follow him. I did anyway, because the more I dug, the more I found that what he was saying was true.

For months I faithfully downloaded his radio show as a podcast, every day, listening to it on my iPod as I rode Tokyo's Chuo line on my way to work. Day after day, I listened to his angry rants, half as a guilty pleasure, half glorying in them. He truly can rant like no one else, and those rants are a wonderful alarm clock, waking millions from their dream....

Well. Some time later, a strange character moved into the guest house I was living in, a psychedelia obsessed neoshaman from South Africa by way of New Zealand. The guy had been living in Japan for a decade, living a gypsy life selling antiques, promoting raves, growing marijuana in the highlands. When he wasn't in Japan he was in India. He claimed his father was part of the NWO, and expressed surprise that it had taken me so long to see through 9/11 (he'd seen it himself shortly after.) I wasn't sure how much of what he said I should take seriously - he was big into acid and it showed (though he'd never tried any sort of drug until his late 20s, and had experimented for purposes of exploration rather than recreation) - nevertheless he always seemed to be several steps ahead of me, conceptually, and our relationship quickly became one of teacher and student.

His advice? Well, part of it was to stop listening to Alex Jones. Not because he was wrong, exactly, but because Alex's rantings had the effect of clouding the mind.

Bullheaded as I am, I didn't take his advice. It wasn't until I returned to Canada, to my parents' rural house with its dialup internet, that I was forced to stop ... and found that my friend had been entirely right.

My view on Alex now is that, most likely, he's not a cointelpro agent; I don't rule it out, simply give it a low probability. If he's ultimately serving nefarious purposes, it's not consciously, and those pulling the strings aren't located in this density. It's not that he incites people to violence, because he doesn't: his infowar is a war in metaphor only, and his methods are as deeply nonviolent as Ghandi's (if you'll pardon a completely uncalled-for comparison). The attentive listener will notice that whenever subjects such as UFOs, reptoids, etc come up, Jones roundly disparages them, not just refusing to discuss them but attacking those lines of thought as disinformation. For Jones and his loyal legions, paraphenomena are nothing but CIA disinfo thrown out to confuse and distract; all conspiracies lead back to the NWO and its bankers, and the pyramid goes no higher.

So, that's IMO Jone's true 'hidden purpose'. He wakes people up to 3rd density conspiracies, and then acts to keep them there, fixated on the NWO. This isn't a bad thing, exactly; it's just the way things have to be. For those who minds continue to inquire, well, eventually, one way or another ... they'll find their way to SOTT, and through SOTT, here. But everyone wakes up on their own schedule.
 
psychegram said:
Alex Jones woke me up, and for that I'll always have a soft spot for him.


I'm curious what you mean by 'woke me up' in this sentence?  Do you consider yourself to be awake, or is it a relative statement?

pg said:
A friend gave me a Terrorstorm DVD with prisonplanet.com written on it, and after watching it and having my world blown (I was in a receptive state for that, the cognitive dissonance had been building for a while) I went straight there. At first I felt some trepidation: I could see the Jones' rabbit hole went deep indeed, and was unsure if I wanted to follow him. I did anyway, because the more I dug, the more I found that what he was saying was true.


Which parts did you consider to be true?  The fact of the matter is that a very small part of what Jones says is true.  All of it is NOT true.  What he leaves out and ignores is often what is most true, yet he consistently leaves it out.  So, again - what do you mean by what he was saying is 'true'?



pg said:
For months I faithfully downloaded his radio show as a podcast, every day, listening to it on my iPod as I rode Tokyo's Chuo line on my way to work. Day after day, I listened to his angry rants, half as a guilty pleasure, half glorying in them. He truly can rant like no one else, and those rants are a wonderful alarm clock, waking millions from their dream....

I don't think guilty pleasure and glorifying in rants equals an alarm clock; especially in the context of actually waking up.  A more attractive sleeping tonic for a curious mind is still a sleeping tonic.


pg said:
Well. Some time later, a strange character moved into the guest house I was living in, a psychedelia obsessed neoshaman from South Africa nevertheless he always seemed to be several steps ahead of me, conceptually, and our relationship quickly became one of teacher and student.

This is also a bit confusing - as if throughout your entire post you are consistently contradicting yourself.  It is difficult to tell whether this is conscious or not, but the idea that you became a student to someone you describe as a 'psychedelia obsessed neoshaman' - is rather contradictory.  As is your later statement that 'he was right!' - almost as if you are promoting 'psychedelic obsessed neo-shamans' the same way you are subtly promoting Jones in this post.


pg said:
My view on Alex now is that, most likely, he's not a cointelpro agent; I don't rule it out, simply give it a low probability.


Have you read ALL of the information available here on Jones?  You say he's not a cointelpro agent and then say he's ultimately serving nefarious purposes?  He's waking people up, but keeping them there?  The rest of your post is more of the same.  So, again - is there a reason for your consistent contradictions?  One could point out that it is a technique to promote cognitive dissonance in the reader.  Or, are you unaware that this is what you're doing?  Just curious because the rather confusing contradictions are so obvious.
 

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