Alex Jones - COINTELPRO? Fascist Tool?

[Lisa Guliani]

Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

Wrayer,
We simply put the poll question up on our homepage and encourage people to respond with their picks.
We send out one newsletter per week, generally on a Friday, with links to articles we've written during the week and our shows.
We don't nudge people to think any certain way. We don't encourage people to "believe" us. A lot of people agree with us and others do not. That's okay with us.
We urge people to express their opinions, research information on their own and think for themselves.
Anybody was welcome to participate in this poll question.
If you want to know the exact number of respondents, please ask Victor Thorn (email on our website), as he received all the replies.
We asked ONE question and didn't feel it necessary to provide scripted replies for people. Many added extra commentary in addition to naming their selected pick.

Oh and, by the way, "encouraging people to make copies of alex Jones dvds" is a very effective marketing tactic.
I'm kind of surprised you hadn't already figured that out, considering that you think you've got WING TV all figured out based upon the public results of one viewer poll question.
Half truths about what?
If you have questions for Victor or me regarding anything on our website, why don't you email us directly and simply ask us?
Victor is not a member of this forum, so he will not be responding to you here.
One should try never to kneejerk, Wrayer.
Think first, take a breath and think some more.
the pervasive stench of the "alternative media" is what you smell, Wrayer.
Yup, the whole thing REEKS.

Lisa Guliani

 

[CyberChrist]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

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[Lisa Guliani]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

You forgot the main element of his work, Wrayer.
FEAR!!!!!!!!!

What is so positive about fearmongering?
What is positive about exploiting this fear and manipulating public paranoia in order to keep the people doing nothing constructive or meaningful?
How is what alex Jones does any different than what Big Brother and the mainstream media does?
All push FEAR.
Fear silences and paralyzes.
Is this a positive thing?
And since the behavior has been done in a consistent, ongoing manner for over a decade now, one can't really call it "accidental".
This is not "inadvertant" behavior we're talking about.
It is deliberate and strategic.
Psychic driving.

Lisa Guliani

 

[CyberChrist]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

The truth movement is meant to be a grass roots movement, not a movement of profiteering "professional shepherds". These people have for years dominated the alternative scene, and all I've seen as a response from the public is a combination of back-patting agreement, superficial rooting for THEM to keep up the good work, and more importantly, a sense of despair that this is a no win situation.

If you listen to Alex Jones at ALL you don't get the sense that he thinks of this as a no-win situation. I can't tell you how many times I have heard him say that this can be won and that people need to get out there and do things on their own as well. He gets very frustrated with callers who do not see fit to take action on their own as well and to get involved in at least their local government to try and get things done.

There is a lot of backpatting, but that's not due to him as much as it is due to the nature of the typical American who is usually more than content to just change the channel instead of changing their govt. representative. You're lucky to be able to find one person out of ten walking by on a city block that can name their own Senators.

 

[CyberChrist]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

How is what alex Jones does any different than what Big Brother and the mainstream media does?
All push FEAR.

Could you post some examples of Alex Jones pushing fear? I have honestly never heard him tell people to be afraid. I hear him tell people information that may shock them and outrage them, but I never have heard him say that people should be afraid. He tells people to take action just about every chance that he gets.

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Knowledge that is not followed up by action is essentially meaningless.

Lisa

 

[Guest]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Seriously guys, for a government shill... isn't this the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he should be saying? Because whether or not you think that his content is full of holes and crap, people on average are walking away active instead of complacent, critical of powers-that-be instead of accepting, and moved to read a book or make a phonecall or just get people to stop watching FOX News.

Actually, that is EXACTLY what a shill would be saying, otherwise the shill would not be a shill, but mainstream media. This is too complicated for me to just present in one post. All I can do is direct you here:

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/search.php?search_id=1863405238

where you can pick and choose threads at your discretion and look at the arguments presented. I used to read Jones as well, and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Him and Rense both. Now I am seeing things in a different way, because I am comparing these alternate views with what Jones and Rense present. I'm not just swallowing what is given here.

So just check it out and think about it. True disinformation has to have a positive face, depending on the audience it targets, or it would not be believed. Jones is focusing on the darkness too hard, and in a way that suits him. He is, therefore, blocking the light, IMO. And that results in a good yarn and high drama (most of which might even be true drama), but the focus is such that many things are left out, and people are left running around in circles of confusion.

 

[CyberChrist]

Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

If these, the most prominent, well-funded and brazen fear mongering "champions of truth" are not shills, then who is?

One thing that is often forgotten is the last thing a shill will be is OBVIOUS to the common citizen. They will not go around with a big I AM A SHILL sign carved on their chests. They will have showmanship, and flare, and come off as having passion. In fact, although passion is a requirement to fight for truth, THEIR passion is the kind that sells, and covers any reason.

I think it's a little brazen to think that we somehow know better than any others as to who is a shill and who isn't a shill. Like I said, I do have a problem with the way that some of these guys cover some issues, but to say that they are outright shills is just a bit far-fetched in my opinion.

If shills are nothing more than carbon copies of the mainstream media, then what is their point in the first place?

How is Alex Jones a carbon-copy of the mainstream media? When is the last time that you saw a CBS news anchor outside of a secret convention with a bullhorn and calling the attendees 'evil"?

I think these false "champions" have done a good job in presenting themselves as the "last great hope for mankind" (to paraphrase the words of the series "Babylon 5"). And in truth, these individuals and their organizations are the ones that have turned the "truth movement" into a veritable Tower of Babel even before a real truth movement was able to get off the ground.

Why this reluctance to look at these people and their institutions with a discerning eye? Why the dissonance whenever the possibility of challenging them, as EVERYONE making claims must be challenged, arises? Are we that afraid of "being alone"? Are we that dependent on fancy showmen to do our truth-seeking for us? Do we really think that we can just sit back and let the "good guys" with the capes and superhero logos on their chests solve our problems?

I have challenged Alex Jones on his own show many times on the air and I still have a problem with a lot of what he says. But it never crossed my mind that he is some kind of secret government plant or anything of the sort.

By claiming that the democratic and fundamental human RIGHT to challenge any and all persons and institutions that seek to influence our perception of events is UNFAIR, we are essentially denying ourselves participation as active members of this world, and fighting to insure that we will remain spectators of whoever wants to "take all the risks".

I don't think anyone said that they can't be challenged. But just as they can be challenged, so can this poll, don't you think? Isn't that part of the "democratic and fundamental human RIGHT to challenge any and all persons and institutions that seek to influence our perception of events"??

What I think needs to be done is that people first summon the courage to face the fear of losing these "champions" upon which they foster an unhealthy dependency.

So let's say that someone does rise up and challenge these people and while they may disagree on presentation, they agree on some key fundamental issues, such as the farce of the war on terror. Let's say that they gain an audience. Let's say that in two years, they run afoul of others on the Internet and make it onto one of these polls. Then what? Are they suddenly "shills"?

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

Alex Jones is not "suddenly" a shill.
This is a longstanding pattern with him, as in YEARS.
I know you seem to want to remain fixed in your belief and defense of Jones, but you might try to be open to the possibility that he is not all you perceive him to be.
He just might be playing a role in this whole thing - which would explain his often lunatic delivery style, the way he rants and yells and all the melodramatics that go with his little tantrums.
He is a censor.
He is a fearmonger who exploits public fear and paranoia and has made a nice little cottage industry off of the nation's deceptions and tragedies, like 9-11.
He does not encourage people to become proactive other than to buy his videos and help him with his marketing by encouraging his followers to make copies and give them to people.
He holds himself above and beyond any questioning and apparently does not have to answer for his own words.
He also is a liar. Jones has told lies and when challenged on these lies, he has failed - refused - to cough up substantiation of his statements.
And I know this firsthand because Alex Jones has told lies about me.
Is this a "Christian"?
Kind of like George Bush is a "Christian"?
Alex Jones is a point man playing a role.

Lisa G.

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

There are lots of articles on our website about Alex Jones.
http://www.wingtv.net
The Hall of Shame link is at the bottom center of our homepage.
Pack a lunch.
Oh, and remember: Alex Jones says it's HIS road. We even have the audio clip of him saying this right after he hung up on me one day during his broadcast.. We played it on our show, so everyone could hear Alex screaming like a lunatic about how this is "his road!!!"
I say, it's all of our road.
We're all on this road together.
There are a lot of bad guys on this road.

Lisa

 

[Beau]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Eso, that link is empty

As far as AJ is concerned, have you guys have ever seen Waking Life? His part in that is just weird, he's screaming and yelling about the government. All that is going to do is get people either over-excited and unable to formulate any kind of intellectual response to what he is saying, or create a cognitive dissonance in their minds which will just make them turn off what they are hearing. When I watched it, I was really turned off to his approach. I've said somewhere else, he comes across as like a televangelist. And getting people to buy his stuff is one way of donating to the church of fear.

Or so I think

 

[CyberChrist]

Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

Wrayer,
We simply put the poll question up on our homepage and encourage people to respond with their picks.
We send out one newsletter per week, generally on a Friday, with links to articles we've written during the week and our shows.
We don't nudge people to think any certain way. We don't encourage people to "believe" us. A lot of people agree with us and others do not. That's okay with us.

Well, let's think about that for a minute. The poll isn't named "Do you think any of the following are govt. shills?" The poll is called "Who do you think is the biggest plant-shill-government op in the patriot movement and/or alternative media?"

It assumes that every name on the list is a govt. shill or a plant for the U.S. government. It just asks people to pick the biggest one. Even Tom Flocco, who got 3% of the vote, is a govt. shill according to this poll.

So I think that it's a bit odd to say that the poll doesn't nudge people to think in a certain way. If someone does not agree that any of those names is a government shill, there is frankly nowhere for them to cast their vote and express their opinion.

It's kind of like a poll asking "Which of the following is the biggest child molestor?" and it lists several prominent political names. There is nowhere for anyone to say "This person is not a child molestor".

(Incidentally, I read your newsletter often and I enjoy it very much).

 

[Beau]

Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

When is the last time that you saw a CBS news anchor outside of a secret convention with a bullhorn and calling the attendees 'evil"?

I don't think what he did at the secret meeting was all that great. It's going to sound good to a lot of people, but for me it wasn't all that great. He didn't do anything for me, or anyone else who is at all aware of the true nature of reality.

I have challenged Alex Jones on his own show many times on the air and I still have a problem with a lot of what he says. But it never crossed my mind that he is some kind of secret government plant or anything of the sort.

Why not? Shouldn't you be questioning everything that enters into your awareness? Perhaps this is the problem.

Isn't that part of the "democratic and fundamental human RIGHT to challenge any and all persons and institutions that seek to influence our perception of events"??

So is it your belief that AJ seeks to influence our perception? I'd say he is guilty.

So let's say that someone does rise up and challenge these people and while they may disagree on presentation, they agree on some key fundamental issues, such as the farce of the war on terror. Let's say that they gain an audience. Let's say that in two years, they run afoul of others on the Internet and make it onto one of these polls. Then what? Are they suddenly "shills"?

You say that like all of a sudden, someone just comes along and says AJ is a shill. I doubt that was a sudden judgement. So your logic does not fit. There's much more to it than one person/group disagreeing with another.

 

[CyberChrist]

Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

I know you seem to want to remain fixed in your belief and defense of Jones, but you might try to be open to the possibility that he is not all you perceive him to be.

I am very open to the possibility that nothing is what I perceive it to be. It's one of the reasons I started reading this message board. I have also stated that I have a lot of disagreements with Alex Jones and find some of his POSITIONS indefensible, but that doesn't mean that I am willing to say that he is a government shill and I think that's a conclusion that is simply not very well supported if you look at his actions overall, that's all.

He just might be playing a role in this whole thing - which would explain his often lunatic delivery style, the way he rants and yells and all the melodramatics that go with his little tantrums.

Or it could just be his personality. I do find his delivery to be over-the-top many times, but how does his delivery and ranting change the overall topic of what he is talking about?

He is a censor.

In this day and age, I'd have to ask "Who isn't?" even in the underground media? Jones is a censor, Rivero is a censor, Rense is a censor, Blood is a censor, and many others who censor content in the name of "reducing noise".

He is a fearmonger who exploits public fear and paranoia and has made a nice little cottage industry off of the nation's deceptions and tragedies, like 9-11.

I'd like to see some examples of his fear-mongering. Everytime I listen to him (which isn't too much lately) he seems to be telling people to take action, not cower in fear.

He does not encourage people to become proactive other than to buy his videos and help him with his marketing by encouraging his followers to make copies and give them to people.

The last time I listened to him, he had some guests on talking about the illegal immigration issue. Every 10 minutes he seemed to be telling people to write to their congressman and to get involved at least at the local level in doing something about the immigration issue.

He holds himself above and beyond any questioning and apparently does not have to answer for his own words.

I do agree with this as I find his immigration arguments to run contrary to the whole push that he has about the Police State that he is always preaching about.

He also is a liar. Jones has told lies and when challenged on these lies, he has failed - refused - to cough up substantiation of his statements.
And I know this firsthand because Alex Jones has told lies about me.
Is this a "Christian"?
Kind of like George Bush is a "Christian"?
Alex Jones is a point man playing a role.

Lisa G.

Well Lisa, I am not sure what Alex has said about you, but this seems to be more personal than anything else since he has lied about you. I don't know the background to any of that off the top of my head, so I can't really comment. I do think that Alex is trying to "do good" in the best way he knows how and while his heart may be in the right place, I can certainly see where good intentions may be paving the road to hell with some issues and how he may unwittingly be doing the work of the powers-that-be.

 

[ark]

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Alright, let's take it for granted that the situation is far more sinister than I would at first assume. He's part of the conspiracy, etc etc...

His body of work really only carries three messages though:
1. The government is NOT your friend. Stop trusting them.

That is to be expected if he is COINTELPRO, isn't it?

2. Act now. (Constant calls to action, references to government sources)

In particular: keep your guns ready! Is it what you are for too?

3. Don't take my word for it. Get out there and find out for yourself.

Well, I decided to follow our your advice and to find it out for myself.

In infowars article TERROR ATTACK NUMEROLOGY
I have found this:

666 Numerology
-----------------------
June 6th, 2006 becomes 666 if you drop the two century digits from the year;

6/06/2006 --> 6/6/6 --> 666

666 is part of the 11:11 Phenomena as well as being the "Mark of the Beast".

Conclusion
----------------
The next big terror attack in the U.S. could take place on June 6th,
2006. Where? At the Sears Tower in Chicago which has a zip code of
60606;

Sears Tower Zip Code = 60606 --> 6+0+6+0+6 --> 6+6+6 --> 666

Based on the theme of "train bombings" in Madrid and London, this theme
points to the city of Chicago which is a major railroad hub and the
location of the Sears Tower.

I checked, June 6 is apparently over, and I did not hear about Sears Tower in Chicago being damaged ;)

Finally, just to amuse myself, I did a random search on the net and on one page announcing Alex Jones show: Alex Jones on CNN Showbiz Tonight, March 24, 2006

(BTW: Notice the numerology: 3/24/2006 - 3x2=6, 2+4=6 therefore another 666!) I have found this interesting comment:

Eliyah2 (1 month ago)
THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT!!!

Shalom in Yeshua HaMashiyach!!!

www.FreePressInternational.com

www.InformationClearinghouse.info

www.PrisonPlanet.com

www.CloakandDagger.de

www.InfoWars.com

www.Mashiyach.com

Serving YHVH (Yahweh) the Most High Elohim, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel), in the Name of Yeshua HaMashiyach, walking in Torah of YHVH by the Power of Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit)!!!

www.CalledOutServants.com

Eliyah Ben Yisrael

I wonder what that could mean.....