Alex Jones - COINTELPRO? Fascist Tool?

Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

I think jOda is simply frustrated because some new members have demanded the same "evidence" over and over while neglecting to check if that evidence was already discussed. This kind of keeps the thread running around in circles, and sometimes that can generate a sense that people are not using the search engine on purpose. That's why I posted a link to the articles that could just as easily have been gotten by using the search engine and typing "Alex Jones".

Sometimes it's hard to distinguish disagreement from purposeful attempts to confuse, especially when one has run into a lot of the latter. Personally, I like to take a few deep breaths between posts myself.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Wrayer said:
His body of work really only carries three messages though:
1. The government is NOT your friend. Stop trusting them.
2. Act now. (Constant calls to action, references to government sources)
3. Don't take my word for it. Get out there and find out for yourself.
Which is exactly what the gov wants. What do you think they are building all those camps for?
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

CyberChrist said:
Sorry j0da, but since I am a new member here, I assume that this post is addressing me as well. I have not searched the forums because I am replying to an ongoing discussion, not starting new threads. I disagree that there are no new facts being posted nor that understanding is not being expanding. I am questioning some of the assumptions because it is in my nature to do so. Whether it's my 5th post or 500th post, I am seeking to clarify what I am reading.

I am sorry that you think that the new members are not good additions. But I don't think that high post counts is necessarily a moral high ground either.

As for my background, in case you were wondering, I came here because I was on a message board that discussed the C's for nearly 2 years before this forum was available. I have read Laura's books and I found them to be very interesting, but I did not come here to "add to the noise" as some may say. I am here to learn and to discuss. I am sorry that you just view the posts as "traffic".
Try not to take it personally, Cyber, Joda is merely pointing out that since the podcasts started discussing cointelpro in such an open and detailed way, this forum has been not only a bit more active, but more active in a more 'accusatory and aggressive' way, as opposed to the way it was previously, which was more measured, thought out and, well, calm, really. I'm not saying that this is necessarily bad, however, posts of late, especially in the cointelpro threads have been much more heated than we are used to, and that I , personally, am really comfortable with - but - that doesn't mean that they aren't teaching us things.

It seems that since the CoIntelPro topic has been discussed, we have simply had more emotionally fueled posts than usual, and this may be what Joda is picking up on. I too have felt a bit of erratic, angry energy of late on the forum, which I find a bit disconcerting, but this too, may well pass if we stick to facts, research and an attempt at objective discernment. ( I now see that Eso addressed this while I was typing - posts are coming fast and 'furious' lately. ;) )
 
Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

Lisa said:
Well, then you don't pay that much attention to what alex has to say on his shows, other than his take on illegal immigration, is that it?
No that's not it. I am sorry if I gave that impression.

Incidentally, we had a Minuteman on our show today and he infoms us that the Minuteman Project has been coopted by Washington Beltway Neocons.
I am not surprised. It's exactly what I was telling Jones when I called his show back in April and he didn't want to hear it.

Has Alex Jones mentioned this at all?
Of course not. His zealotry for laying the entire immigration problem at the feet of the Mexican poor is blinding him to that.

Same for Jeff Rense, incidentally. He allows racists like Frosty Woolridge to get published on his site, but refuses to publish anything that calls them into question. Trust me, I have submitted several pieces to Rense that contradict Woolridge's racist articles and never got them published.

So...the government can coopt the Minuteman Project and now essentially controls that group, yet it cannot infiltrate and coopt the alternative media?
Is this what you seem to be saying?
If so, yikes.

Lisa G.
Lisa, I never said that the government couldn't infiltrate the alternative media. In fact, it is my belief that Art Bell is pretty much one of their spooks now. I just don't believe that Alex Jones is directly involved. But I do believe that a lot of his guests are indeed co-opted and thus when he gives them airtime, he unwittingly gives the PTB more access to the minds of the alternative media audiences.

Ever hear Alex Jones or Jeff Rense talk about the real immigration problems? That Mexico has 40% unemployment? That they under martial law? That the U.S. government is pressuring Mexico to privatize PeMex (the Mexican State-owned oil company) and to allow drilling in Chiapas? That the Zapatistas have risen up against the U.S. and Mexican governments? That much of the population that makes up the illegal immigrants in America are actually indigenous Mexicans that have NO RIGHTS under the Mexican Constitution? That Chiapas is being targeted by the oil companies because it is sitting on a huge oil reserve that may rival, Venezuela but the indigenous farmers refuse to leave, so they are being forced out by the Mexican army?

Of course not. They just want to pander to people's knee-jerk fears of "immigrants" and create a state of outrage that is completely focused on the wrong end of the stick. It's so sick and it's even sicker that one is not able to respond to these ridiculous articles on a proper forum and show these people to be as wrong as they are on the immigration issue.

Trust me, if anyone knows about their ways, it's me. I have first-hand experience with these guys. But that being said, I see these guys as blinded by the zealotry more than I see them as shills.
 
Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

Wrayer said:
I hate articles based on polls. They're so VERY manipulative. The phrasing of the question is suspect ("shill" can be seen in different ways, "patriot movement" equally so), and the participants in the poll are completely inscrutable.

Who got to participate in this poll?
How many got to participate?
How did they find out about it?
Were they given a set number of choices?
What newsletters were sent to the participants *just prior* to the poll?

This whole thing reeks of half-truths.

Of course, that's just my knee-jerk emotional reaction, I could be wrong...
I think you are simply splitting hairs here.

shill

n : : a decoy who acts as an enthusiastic customer in order to stimulate the participation of others v : act as a shill; "The shill bid for the expensive carpet during the auction in order to drive the price up."

Clearly the number one shill is Alex Jones. He is simply a reaction machine whose ranting and raving is directed at the reaction machines in others. The reaction machine within us, when cut off from our essential nature, is simply a reflex mechanism responding to the ever changing influences of the environment. It could only affirm, negate, or acquiesce to impulses coming from the environment at any given moment. It can't think for itself or do for itself. But it thinks it can. When Alex 'does' his audience thinks it is they who are also 'doing.' When Alex Jones affirms his audience affirms. When he denies his audience denies. When he acquiesces his audience acquiesces . His audience is simply a reaction machine to mirror the reactions of the primary reaction machine known as Alex Jones.

What is Alex's real goal? It is to get people to react and do nothing. What is the real purpose of all his pretending and loud pontificating? It is to decoy his audience into believing only in the reality of existance and to deny the reality of the essential worlds and lose touch with their inner conscience. As long as we only react to things we are incapable of acting from our "moral reasoning" and this is what Alex Jones is reaally accomplishing in all his rantings and raving.

When our reaction machine loses touch with our essential reality then it eventually burns itself out and it drops a notch into the status of thinghood. At this point it does not even have the power to react at all. The reaction machine is not bad. It really has a purpose. It allows us to properly interface with the external world. But it has only one inherent possibility to be free. It has only one degree of freedom that will give it
that one essential choice to align itself with our essential reality, and react "righteously" to the injustices of the world. But it will now even lose this one possibility when it latches on to people like Alex Jones who will do all the moral reasoning for them. Sooner or later their reaction machine will stop reacting completely and their consciousness falls to the level of thinghood, where there are no degrees of freedom left and they can't even react anymore. They become robots who are now completely controlled by external forces. They now lose all their possibilities to be free. So, in short, the purpose of Alex Jones is to create automatons who have NO freedom whatsoever.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

anart said:
It seems that since the CoIntelPro topic has been discussed, we have simply had more emotionally fueled posts than usual, and this may be what Joda is picking up on. I too have felt a bit of erratic, angry energy of late on the forum, which I find a bit disconcerting, but this too, may well pass if we stick to facts, research and an attempt at objective discernment. ( I now see that Eso addressed this while I was typing - posts are coming fast and 'furious' lately. ;) )
To be honest, I felt it at the outset too, but the threads now seem to be more conciliatory and I am very happy that I am able to see the middle ground with people like EsoQuest and Lisa. I do feel that the threads have helped me some people and some things in a light that I had not considered much and while I don't agree with some of the conclusions, I also don't think that I can readily dismiss what the critics are saying either because I have experienced some of that on my own before even reading these posts.
 
Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

It is not an imperative for me that you agree with my position. I simply would ask that you continue to ask questions of everyone involved and do further research.
I suggest you read up on Mr. Alex Jones, and not just the stuff generated on his website or by his fanclub groupies.
I'd say that Jones's actions speak for themselves once a person removes the rose-colored groupie glasses, and of course, that is my own opinion.
Jones (along with his compulsive liar buddy, Jeff Rense) has labeled me and my partner cointelpro, yet both refuse to substantiate that assertion. Why do you think this is? They're not too busy to make such public statements, but they're too busy to back them up?
They should certainly back up these statements if they are indeed true, shouldn't they?
Wouldn't that seem reasonable to you? Instead, Jones and his buddy "lyin' Jeff", would rather poison the already contaminated waters with even MORE lies and b.s.
Wow, what patriots.

Incidentally, we had a Minuteman on our show today and he infoms us that the Minuteman Project has been coopted by Washington Beltway Neocons. Imagine that.
The Diener Consultant Group, which has close ties to Alan Keyes, William Kristol of the PNAC and Weekly Standard, Bill Bennett, the Defense Policy Board, the Hoover Institute, and so on.
Wonderful, isn't it? Neocons control the Minuteman Project.
Has Alex Jones mentioned this at all when he speaks about the border crisis and illegal immigration?
It is VERYdisturbing, discouraging and IMPORTANT news.
It doesn't appear that the rank and file Minuteman is even aware of this. Imagine that.

So...the government can co-opt the Minuteman Project and now essentially controls that group, yet it cannot or has not infiltrated and coopted the most prominent individuals in the alternative media?

Do you see what I'm saying here?
This alternative media "containment press", 'patriot" movement and "9-11 truth" movement have alll been controlled from the beginning - and NOT by the good guys.
The circle of truthtellers is very, very small.
Open your eyes and see what's right in front of you, for godsakes.

SEE IT.

Lisa G.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Wrayer, perhaps it would be less difficult to understand where we are coming from if you would indeed read the past threads on Alex Jones. Your repeated posts are becoming tiresome and distracting.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Wrayer said:
ark said:
Wrayer said:
Alright, let's take it for granted that the situation is far more sinister than I would at first assume. He's part of the conspiracy, etc etc...

His body of work really only carries three messages though:
1. The government is NOT your friend. Stop trusting them.
That is to be expected if he is COINTELPRO, isn't it?
Well that's dismissive. I mean, isn't that to be expected from truth-seekers as well?
What I was trying to show is that your argument No 1 was not carrying any weight. If something points to bot A and NOT A than it is empty.


Wrayer said:
ark said:
Wrayer said:
2. Act now. (Constant calls to action, references to government sources)
In particular: keep your guns ready! Is it what you are for too?
No, I'm for activism. What I'm saying is that this this helps to swell the ranks of the Anarchy movement, the anti-globalization movement, and countless other peaceful resisters who remain our only real hope in these times.

Why the negative assumption?
Somehow you have managed to be silent about the fact that Alex Jones advocates keeping guns ready.


Wrayer said:
Yeah, he quotes numerology all the time.
This proves that he is not thinking. He is not rational. He is not searching for the truth. He is shallow. He does not want to see the larger picture.
Like the plans of Lambda Corporation. Like the fact that something is rotten on this planet from the very beginning.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Wrayer said:
I think I might be more inclined to agree with you if I had an understanding that he is lying more than telling the truth. As far as I can tell, he's just telling everybody what's happening (from his own perspective) and sounding the alarm. Isn't it appropriate to pull the fire alarm if the building is burning? Doesn't that result in a positive, if scary, action of running the hell away from the fire?

In any case, I'm going to take a break from commenting here and take j0da's advice and do some reading using the search function.

j0da - does this indicate that a central "why we don't really like Alex Jones" document should be created?
Or is it like screaming "FIRE" in the middle of a movie theater? In that case, everyone is just going to end up trampling each other.

Hey Wrayer, you sound like you just want to win an argument. Why not do what you said you were going to do, and what anart also suggested and take a look at the arguments. You can do so through the search engine, or through the link I provided. It's a lot of material and very educational. Then there is the forthcoming podcast.

Why not suspend judgment until you really get into what the other side is saying? That is if learning what the other side is saying matters to you. Then if you still want to support Jones, at least you will be adding something new to the topic. How difficult is it for you to understand that this forum really wants to get at the truth, and that you would be very welcome to disagree, as long as you can tell us something we don't know?

Why not dive into getting informed a bit, and then come up with some really challenging counter-arguments if you find the information lacking? Hey, maybe everyone here is deluded. An informed you would then really help us all see the light.
 
Viewer's Poll: Alex Jones Voted # 1 Shill

CyberChrist, what you are seeing in the so-called "alternative media" and the 911 Untruth Movement is quite simply a manifestation of Psychopathy in action as defined and explained in the Protocols of the Pathocrats. Here is the specifie segment that relates to the press:

Protocol 12: Control of the Press

1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows -

2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.

3. We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? ...

For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy.... No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification.

I BEG YOU TO NOTE THAT AMONG THOSE MAKING ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO BE ORGANS ESTABLISHED BY US, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK EXCLUSIVELY POINTS THAT WE HAVE PRE-DETERMINED TO ALTER. WE CONTROL THE PRESS

4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

5. If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the GOY communities to such an extent that they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astride their noses; if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what GOY stupidity calls State secrets: what will our positions be then, when we shall be acknowledged supreme lords of the world in the person of our king of all the world ....

6. Let us turn again to the FUTURE OF THE PRINTING PRESS. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefore, which, in case of any fault, will be immediately impounded. With such measures THE INSTRUMENT OF THOUGHT WILL BECOME AN EDUCATIVE MEANS ON THE HANDS OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE MASS OF THE NATION TO BE LED ASTRAY IN BY-WAYS AND FANTASIES ABOUT THE BLESSINGS OF PROGRESS. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings are the direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of every kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits .... All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them in hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest.... FREE PRESS DESTROYED

7. We turn to the periodical press. ... if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions. Before accepting any production for publication in print, the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.

8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind .... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.

9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant. 10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.

11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.

14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders. ONLY LIES PRINTED

15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquillize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.

16. Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.

17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.

18. Our calculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispensable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any moment fall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impulses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same - ours. WHAT WE NEED IS THAT, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PLENITUDE POWER, THE CAPITALS SHOULD FIND THEMSELVES STIFLED BY THE PROVINCIAL OPINION OF THE NATIONS, I.E., OF A MAJORITY ARRANGED BY OUR AGENTUR. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a position to discuss an accomplished fact for the simple reason, if for no other, that it has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.

19. WHEN WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NEW REGIME TRANSITIONAL TO THAT OF OUR ASSUMPTION OF FULL SOVEREIGNTY WE MUST NOT ADMIT ANY REVELATION BY THE PRESS OF ANY FORM OF PUBLIC DISHONESTY; IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE NEW REGIME SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO HAVE SO PERFECTLY CONTENDED EVERYBODY THAT EVEN CRIMINALITY HAS DISAPPEARED ... Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses - no more.
The only difference is that now we work with the Internet and not printed materials. But the principles are the same.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

Wrayer said:
It's just some excited religious person spewing a bunch of ultra-ignorable stuff on the YouTube post. Where are you going with this?
I am not sure. But I have also this about Alex Jones:

I noticed that Alex says at the end of his show YaHWeH bless you. YHVH (JEHOVAH) the name of the freemason god, and the mystical talmudic calculation of the jewish god.
I do not necessarily trust the author of this quote about the rest of his article, but here he apparently speaks about some fact. I wonder if this fact can be confirmed? (I am trying to construct some working hypothesis with some reasonable degree of probability).
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

What we are seeing in the so-called "alternative media" and the 911 Untruth Movement is quite simply a manifestation of Psychopathy in action as defined and explained in the Protocols of the Pathocrats. Here is the specifie segment that relates to the press:

Protocol 12: Control of the Press

1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows -

2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.

3. We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? ...

For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy.... No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification.

I BEG YOU TO NOTE THAT AMONG THOSE MAKING ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO BE ORGANS ESTABLISHED BY US, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK EXCLUSIVELY POINTS THAT WE HAVE PRE-DETERMINED TO ALTER. WE CONTROL THE PRESS

4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

5. If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the GOY communities to such an extent that they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astride their noses; if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what GOY stupidity calls State secrets: what will our positions be then, when we shall be acknowledged supreme lords of the world in the person of our king of all the world ....

6. Let us turn again to the FUTURE OF THE PRINTING PRESS. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefore, which, in case of any fault, will be immediately impounded. With such measures THE INSTRUMENT OF THOUGHT WILL BECOME AN EDUCATIVE MEANS ON THE HANDS OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE MASS OF THE NATION TO BE LED ASTRAY IN BY-WAYS AND FANTASIES ABOUT THE BLESSINGS OF PROGRESS. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings are the direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of every kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits .... All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them in hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest.... FREE PRESS DESTROYED

7. We turn to the periodical press. ... if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions. Before accepting any production for publication in print, the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.

8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind .... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.

9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant. 10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.

11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.

14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders. ONLY LIES PRINTED

15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquillize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.

16. Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.

17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.

18. Our calculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispensable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any moment fall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impulses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same - ours. WHAT WE NEED IS THAT, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PLENITUDE POWER, THE CAPITALS SHOULD FIND THEMSELVES STIFLED BY THE PROVINCIAL OPINION OF THE NATIONS, I.E., OF A MAJORITY ARRANGED BY OUR AGENTUR. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a position to discuss an accomplished fact for the simple reason, if for no other, that it has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.

19. WHEN WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NEW REGIME TRANSITIONAL TO THAT OF OUR ASSUMPTION OF FULL SOVEREIGNTY WE MUST NOT ADMIT ANY REVELATION BY THE PRESS OF ANY FORM OF PUBLIC DISHONESTY; IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE NEW REGIME SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO HAVE SO PERFECTLY CONTENDED EVERYBODY THAT EVEN CRIMINALITY HAS DISAPPEARED ... Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses - no more.
The only difference is that now we work with the Internet and not printed materials. But the principles are the same.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

ark said:
I do not necessarily trust the author of this quote about the rest of his article, but here he apparently speaks about some fact. I wonder if this fact can be confirmed? (I am trying to construct some working hypothesis with some reasonable degree of probability).
Alex Jones says "God Bless You all" at the end of his show from what I recall.

So we are not to trust Alex Jones because he says "God bless you" at the end of his show?

Come on, Ark. Let's talk about the way that he covers issues and the way that he manipulates his audience, but that article that you linked to is trying to get people to believe that Alex is a bad person because he doesn't practice everything that he preaches. I think that's a shame, but I don't think that it detracts from the message.

Actually, it's articles like the one that you linked to that actually generate SYMPATHY for Alex Jones because most people will see it for the shallow attack that it is. I am willing to discuss his material, but not to sit here and pretend that any of us can pass judgment on his lifestyle, what he drives, what he drinks, and so on.
 
Alex Jones: COINTELPRO

To get a better picture of Alex and his context, spend some time reading the following:

Christians and Zion

By Donald Wagner, professor of religion and Middle Eastern studies at North Park University in Chicago and executive director of the Center for Middle Eastern Studies. He wrote this commentary, the second in a series of five on Christian Zionism, for THE DAILY STAR

The British have had a long-term fascination with the idea of Israel and its central role in biblical prophecy that dates back to their earliest recorded literature. The Epistle of Gildas (circa. 6th century AD) and the Venerable Bede's Ecclesiastical History (735 AD) both saw the British as "the new Israel," God's chosen people, who were destined to play a strategic role despite repeated invasions by their Nordic neighbors. In the British perception of being an elect, these battles were understood in the context of Israel's battles against the Philistines, Babylonians and others.

A clear resurgence of such themes was evident in the 16th century, perhaps influenced by the Protestant Reformation and its emphasis on the Bible and varied interpretations of its texts, now that Rome had lost its control over the new clergy and theologians. One of the early expressions of fascination with the idea of Israel was the monograph Apocalypsis Apocalypseos, written by Anglican clergyman Thomas Brightman in 1585. Brightman urged the British people to support the return of the Jews to Palestine in order to hasten a series of prophetic events that would culminate in the return of Jesus.

In 1621, a prominent member of the British Parliament, attorney Henry Finch, advanced a similar perspective when he wrote: "The (Jews) shall repair to their own country, shall inherit all of the land as before, shall live in safety, and shall continue in it forever." Finch argued that based on his interpretation of Genesis 12:3, God would bless those nations that supported the Jews' return. However, his idea did not find support from fellow legislators.
While these writers cannot be classified as Christian Zionists, they might be viewed as proto-Christian Zionists, as they prepared the way for those who would follow. Gradually their views receded, but the turbulence following the American and French revolutions provoked significant feelings of insecurity across Europe. As the anxiety rose in the run-up to the centennial year at the beginning of the 19th century, prophetic speculation concerning Jesus' return and related events was in the air.

During the decade that followed the year 1800, several Christian writers and preachers began to reflect on the events leading to Jesus' would-be imminent return, among them Louis Way, an Anglican clergyman. Way taught that it was necessary for the Jews to return to Palestine as the first stage prior to the Messianic Age, and he offered speculation as to the timing of Jesus' second coming. Within a short period of time, Way gained a wide readership through his journal The Jewish Expositor, and counted many clergymen, academics and the poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge as subscribers.

A number of influential proto-Christian Zionists emerged in the generation that followed Way. John Nelson Darby (1800-81), a renegade Irish Anglican priest, added several unique features to Way's teachings, including the doctrine of "the Rapture," whereby "born again Christians" would be literally removed from history and transferred to heaven prior to Jesus' return. Darby also placed a restored Israel at the center of his theology, claiming that an actual Jewish state called Israel would become the central instrument for God to fulfill His plans during the last days of history. Only true ("born again") Christians would be removed from history prior to the final battle of Armageddon through the Rapture - based on his literal interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

Darby's extensive writings and 60-year career as a missionary consolidated a form of fundamentalism called "premillennialism" (Jesus would return prior to the Battle of Armageddon and his millennial rule on earth). Darby made six missionary journeys to North America, where he became a popular teacher and preacher. The premillennial theology and its influence on Christian fundamentalism and the emerging evangelical movement in the United States can be directly traced to Darby's influence.

Christian Zionism is the direct product of this unusual and recent Western form of Protestant theology. Found primarily in North America and England, it is now exported around the globe via satellite television, the internet, best-selling novels such as the Left Behind series, films and a new breed of missionaries. These unique doctrines were found among fringe movements in Christianity throughout the ages, which most Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant churches regarded as extreme and marginal, if not heretical.

One of the influential British social reformers to be influenced by premillennial theology was Lord Shaftesbury, a conservative evangelical Christian who was intimately linked to leading members of the British Parliament. In 1839, Shaftesbury published an essay in the distinguished literary journal the Quarterly Review, titled "The State and Restoration of the Jews," where he argued: "(T)he Jews must be encouraged to return (to Palestine) in yet greater numbers and become once more the husbandman of Judea and Galilee." Writing 57 years before Zionist thinkers Max Nordau, Israel Zangwill and Theodor Herzl popularized the phrase, Shaftesbury called the Jews "a people with no country for a country with no people." The saying was curiously similar to that of the early Zionists, who described Palestine as "a land of no people for a people with no land." Gradually, Shaftesbury's views gained acceptance among British journalists, clergy and politicians.

One of the most important figures in the development of Christian Zionism was the Anglican chaplain in Vienna during the 1880s, William Hechler, who became an acquaintance of Herzl. Hechler saw Herzl and the Zionist project as ordained by God in order to fulfill the prophetic scriptures. He used his extensive political connections to assist the Zionist leader in his quest for an international sponsor of the Zionist project. Hechler arranged meetings with the Ottoman sultan and the German kaiser, but it was his indirect contacts with the British elite that led to a meeting with the politician Arthur Balfour. That meeting in 1905 would eventually lead to Balfour's November 1917 declaration on a Jewish homeland, which brought the Zionists their initial international legitimacy. Balfour's keen interest in Zionism was prepared at least in part by his Sunday school faith, a case put forth by Balfour's biographer and niece, Blanch Dugdale.

Then-British Prime Minister David Lloyd-George was perhaps even more predisposed to the Zionist ideology than Balfour. Journalist Christopher Sykes (son of Mark Sykes, co-author of the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916), noted in his volume Two Studies in Virtue that Lloyd-George's political advisers were unable to train his mind on the map of Palestine during negotiations prior to the Treaty of Versailles, due to his training by fundamentalist Christian parents and churches on the geography of ancient Israel. Lloyd-George admitted that he was far more familiar with the cities and regions of Biblical Israel than with the geography of his native Wales - or of England itself.
British imperial designs were undoubtedly the primary political motivation in drawing influential British politicians to support the Zionist project. However, it is clear that the latter were predisposed to Zionism and to enthusiastically supporting the proposals of Herzl and leading Zionist officials such as Chaim Weizmann due to their Christian Zionist backgrounds. Balfour's famous speech of 1919 makes the point:
"For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country...The four great powers are committed to Zionism, and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land."

The phrases "rooted in age-long traditions" and "future hopes" were perhaps grounded in Balfour's British imperial vision, but they were also buttressed by his understanding of Bible prophecy, which undergirded his bias toward the Zionist project as well as his grand designs for Britain's colonialist policy.
 

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