Alfred Hitchcock's Films
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Nancy2feathers
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Redrock12 said:
I just finished watching it on the youtube link above, as Laura said, the quality wasn`t that great, but yes utterly horrifying.
JonnyRadar
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Redrock12 said:
Perhaps it's censored in certain countries? I can also see it.
Yes, it is utterly horrifying. This footage was my first real exposure to the horrors that went on (in a visual way) when I first saw it about 5 years ago.
EDIT: my timing is off... I actually first encountered this in 2013 from what I can remember. It was in the summer and my roommate at the time and I were tracking down WWII research materials.
sitta
Jedi Master
The video works for me too. I'm in Poland.
Just finished watching it. Not my first documentary about the concentration camps, I watched some when in school, both primary and highschool and those where rather graphic too, still this one was the most horrifying of them all.
It may seams soulless of me but I'm rather glad that the movie was not much sharper. My chest still feels like it's squeezed by iron bar.
Just finished watching it. Not my first documentary about the concentration camps, I watched some when in school, both primary and highschool and those where rather graphic too, still this one was the most horrifying of them all.
It may seams soulless of me but I'm rather glad that the movie was not much sharper. My chest still feels like it's squeezed by iron bar.
Lizziespreparetogovegan
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sitta said:
Same here, the resolution was enough for me. This was such a disturbing video and it's just hard to believe that any being is capable of engaging in such horror against another. The question that nagged me whilst watching this is whether all of the camp workers/over-seers were out and out genetic psychopaths or not?
In a way, this is perhaps the best case scenario as we know what psychopaths are capable of. What's even more disturbing to consider is the possibility (or likelihood?) that not all of them were. The only conclusion we can draw here (if that's the case) is that the ponerization process on an individual level potentially runs so deep and is so unlimited in its ability to 'infect', that some normal human beings can be led to engage in any level of unimaginable evil given the right propaganda and circumstances. If this is the path we're being led down once again by the PTB, and this is the final goal, then we have a hell of a battle on our hands in this respect
Still, such an important video to share as I seem to have noticed an increasing amount of 'truthers' sharing videos challenging the 'official history of WW11'. Whilst I'm sure there may well be the usual historical exaggerations and obfuscations here, highlighting this seems completely moot after witnessing a reality horror show such as this one........
Divide by Zero
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Immersion said:
Thanks for the link.
I can't record premium channels from my provider and lack the equipment to do that, but I do have a private source for movies that has a huge selection. Last week I found a 1930s film for a co worker!
Gaby said:
I think the timing is right from a Zionist perspective, since they know they are losing ground in the general public perspective. What with them not being able anymore to hide the atrocities they inflict today on the Palestinians. They desperately need public sympathy to go their way again, so they shove their past sufferings down our throats once more, as if they were the sole owners of grief and suffering in history.
I watched the dailymotion one. It seemed it had a few more minutes in the beginning that weren't in the youtube version. I watched it because I thought I should see the horrors of what could be a reality. I did the same when I watched the movie The Road. But I didn't have a real lasting visceral feeling. Maybe a little in the beginning in my stomach. I think I erect an emotional barrier when I force myself to watch these kinds of things. But visceral emotions or not, I think it's something to watch, to see that it really happened.
I did the same when I watched the movie The Road. But I didn't have a real lasting visceral feeling. Maybe a little in the beginning in my stomach. I think I erect an emotional barrier when I force myself to watch these kinds of things. But visceral emotions or not, I think it's something to watch, to see that it really happened.
I think it is important to remember what was a concentration camp in the Nazi era. That reminds us what a human being can do to another one. But don't forget that once in a while the medias show to people this type of documentary and it works very well for Israel and the zionists. That's said, I need myself to think once in a while on this subject and read about it. The majority of people say: it was in the past, now this type of thing will never happen again. That's not true. It will happen again because humanity did not evoluted. And it is happening, not in the same form, in Ukraine, in Palestine, in Africa, etc. It never stopped to happen.
What is necessary is also to read about this subject, because when we see this we ask ourselves: how come this is possible? Laura one day said to me, in a thread in this forum to read the book of Hannah Arendt, "The origins of totalitarianism". A master piece.
http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Totalitarianism-Hannah-Arendt/dp/0156701537/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675009&sr=1-1&keywords=the+origins+of+totalitarism&pebp=1421675016396&peasin=156701537
Last year I found a book by Laurence Rees, based on his documentary about Nazis: The Nazis, a warming from History. Another so good book where he interview "normal" citizens that were in fact psychopaths that worked in concentration camps. But there is much more in the book.
This writer also wrote a book about Hitler, Auschwitz and the Japaneese during the war.
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Charisma-Leading-Millions-Abyss/dp/0307389588/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-1&keywords=laurence+rees&pebp=1421675200246&peasin=307389588
http://www.amazon.com/Auschwitz-New-History-Laurence-Rees/dp/1586483579/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-3&keywords=laurence+rees
http://www.amazon.com/Horror-East-Japan-Atrocities-World/dp/0306811782/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-5&keywords=laurence+rees
http://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Warning-History-Laurence-Rees-ebook/dp/B008NA42BC/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-7&keywords=laurence+rees
What is necessary is also to read about this subject, because when we see this we ask ourselves: how come this is possible? Laura one day said to me, in a thread in this forum to read the book of Hannah Arendt, "The origins of totalitarianism". A master piece.
http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Totalitarianism-Hannah-Arendt/dp/0156701537/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675009&sr=1-1&keywords=the+origins+of+totalitarism&pebp=1421675016396&peasin=156701537
Last year I found a book by Laurence Rees, based on his documentary about Nazis: The Nazis, a warming from History. Another so good book where he interview "normal" citizens that were in fact psychopaths that worked in concentration camps. But there is much more in the book.
This writer also wrote a book about Hitler, Auschwitz and the Japaneese during the war.
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Charisma-Leading-Millions-Abyss/dp/0307389588/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-1&keywords=laurence+rees&pebp=1421675200246&peasin=307389588
http://www.amazon.com/Auschwitz-New-History-Laurence-Rees/dp/1586483579/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-3&keywords=laurence+rees
http://www.amazon.com/Horror-East-Japan-Atrocities-World/dp/0306811782/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-5&keywords=laurence+rees
http://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Warning-History-Laurence-Rees-ebook/dp/B008NA42BC/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421675195&sr=1-7&keywords=laurence+rees
Zenith said:
Indeed. I'm sick of people posting that video about Hitler "The Greatest Story Never Told" or something like that. Hitler was not EVER a decent guy. Just because a bunch of people were taken in by him, that he had pets and kissed babies, doesn't mean a thing.
What's important about the Hitchcock compilation of film, for me, is that this was like FIRST response news. There was no time to concoct anything and they didn't have photoshop. This was REAL and in your face right there stuff that really happened. And I'm sorry, there is no way to creatively re-write history, quibble over numbers or gas chambers or whatever, without revealing yourself to be without a conscience. To me, all that is irrelevant.
Interestingly, the voiceover mentions that there were 300 camps of one sort or another all over. Am I correct in having heard that? It also named camps I had never heard of.
Laura said:
Yeah, I remember something of the sort. Then there was an update a couple of years ago:
42,500 Camps and Ghettos Were in Operation During the Holocaust (1933 – 1945)
_http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=3988
I haven't followed up that, nor am I sure about their criteria. It surely sounds like a lot!
Nević Nenad
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The whole family of my father side was killed during ww2 in Croatian concentration camp Jasenovac. (Croatia had some 3-4 concentration camps; one specialized for killing only children, and was very determined to wipe out every single Serbian, Jew, Gipsy and other non-catholics from Croatia, Bosnia and northern Serbia which was back then parts of the so called "Independent State of Croatia") Of some 50-60 people of the family, the only one who survived was my grandfather of 17 years who had a luck to work that day at the neighbor’s house who was Muslim, so that Croatians didn’t pick him too (later Partisans took him with them and he was among the Partisans who tried to liberate the concentration camp but they managed that too late).
Because of that I am very cautious when watching movies like that, or reading related documents. Especially because I get very upset when reading about attempts for history revisions (such was in Croatia during the 1990’s. Almost as Croatian Hasbara, but in real only spit in the face of the victims and also Croatian antifascists and still living members of Partisan movement. This was addressed recently by Efraim Zuroff from the Simon Wiesenthal Center). The new "trends" in history revisionism where is popular to say that Hitler wasn’t so bad, and that Stalin was a good guy always gets me really pi*ed. Or that Nazis was defeated solely by the US army in the Western Europe too.
Anyway, rising up and going in the school in socialist Yugoslavia had some benefits, such as that the state (or "our society" how it was called then) never allowed kids to forget the world war two. We were taken to every exhibition on that mater and on the sites of the camps (not an easy thing for kids). Croatian Ustashes (psychopaths IN TOTAL) was having great fun in killing people and inventing the ways of killing, so they was very fond of taking hundreds of pictures of them in the moments of the killing. Modern day ISIS would be really amateurs in compare. I recommend NOT searching for the pictures (if someone is interesting).
In that light, Hitchcock's documentary was not so shocking to me, I have seen worse, and in much tender age of life, it was more shocking that I read the comments around the internet saying it is not true and that there are people who believe that!
I am also surprised that the movie is not looking so good technically. There are similar footages done at that time by the US army camera units which look much better.
Who wants to know more (no pictures or just a few of them):
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005449
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Jasenovac.html
https://vh1.nethosting.com/~lituchy/whatwasjasenovac.php
http://www.serbianholocaust.org/Voices%20of%20survivors/voicesofsurvivors.html
http://www.jasenovac.eu/
Efraim Zuroff on the matter and revisionism:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=13980389
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4442245&ct=5851813
Because of that I am very cautious when watching movies like that, or reading related documents. Especially because I get very upset when reading about attempts for history revisions (such was in Croatia during the 1990’s. Almost as Croatian Hasbara, but in real only spit in the face of the victims and also Croatian antifascists and still living members of Partisan movement. This was addressed recently by Efraim Zuroff from the Simon Wiesenthal Center). The new "trends" in history revisionism where is popular to say that Hitler wasn’t so bad, and that Stalin was a good guy always gets me really pi*ed. Or that Nazis was defeated solely by the US army in the Western Europe too.
Anyway, rising up and going in the school in socialist Yugoslavia had some benefits, such as that the state (or "our society" how it was called then) never allowed kids to forget the world war two. We were taken to every exhibition on that mater and on the sites of the camps (not an easy thing for kids). Croatian Ustashes (psychopaths IN TOTAL) was having great fun in killing people and inventing the ways of killing, so they was very fond of taking hundreds of pictures of them in the moments of the killing. Modern day ISIS would be really amateurs in compare. I recommend NOT searching for the pictures (if someone is interesting).
In that light, Hitchcock's documentary was not so shocking to me, I have seen worse, and in much tender age of life, it was more shocking that I read the comments around the internet saying it is not true and that there are people who believe that!
I am also surprised that the movie is not looking so good technically. There are similar footages done at that time by the US army camera units which look much better.
Who wants to know more (no pictures or just a few of them):
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005449
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Jasenovac.html
https://vh1.nethosting.com/~lituchy/whatwasjasenovac.php
http://www.serbianholocaust.org/Voices%20of%20survivors/voicesofsurvivors.html
http://www.jasenovac.eu/
Efraim Zuroff on the matter and revisionism:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=8776547&ct=13980389
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4442245&ct=5851813