Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

[MJF]

I note what you say. Perhaps major events like those cited can affect a national psyche but where we are speaking of young, working class boys collecting for Guy Fawkes Night fireworks by asking 'A Penny for the Guy', I doubt the sexual antics of a minister of state and the resignation of a pope would have had much of an impact on their activities. Who knows though, you may be on to something.

I agree that 1963 was a pivotal year. I still remember it well. Britain experienced one of it coldest winters in living memory with snow on the ground for months on end. It also saw the emergence of the Beatles who ushered in trends in popular music that were distinctly British ('Rock and Roll' had clearly been an American phenomenon). This would mark the beginning of the 'Swinging 60's'. The following year, the Labour Party won a close election and the new government of Harold Wilson unleashed huge social changes that the old patrician guard of the Conservative Party would never have countenanced. It was certainly a time of great change geopolitically too in the UK as it heralded the continuing retreat from Empire and a steady move towards a Europe first policy, which would lead to a turning away from the British Commonwealth. The reverberations of that policy still continue to this day in the Brexit vote, with the British working classes being far less enthusiastic about continental Europe than their upper and middle class fellow Britons.

As a predominantly non-Catholic country, I suspect the resignation of Pope Benedict and the appointment of his more liberal successor Pope Francis had far less impact on the UK than it would have done on Catholic countries or those with large Catholic populations like the USA. I suspect the banking crisis of 2008 had far more of an affect on the UK when the British Labour government had to bail out several British banks with public money that would in turn lead to several years of austerity under a Conservative/Liberal coalition government, which would hit the working classes of Britain very hard.​

 

[MJF]

In my post on the Marshenge on 16th October (see: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians) I finished by stating:

"When I was a young boy, I well remember the excitement generated by the Americans landing on the Moon. Indeed, I recall looking up at the Moon one night and saying to my rocket engineer father how incredible it was to think that there were humans standing on the Moon at that same moment. Sadly, the exploration impetus that had taken mankind to the Moon fizzled out in the early 1970’s and the advent of near-Earth space stations and the American shuttle orbiter flights never really captured the imagination in the same way. If time permits, and World War III or cometary oblivion does not destroy us in the meantime, it would be wonderful to see Elon Musk succeed in sending the first manned mission to Mars. And if Musk’s first Martian explorers do make it, I hope they include an archaeologist among their ranks for they will have their work cut out for them."

Well it seems that with Donald Trump's presidential election win and Elon Musk's appointment to Trump's cabinet, Musk's Mars colonisation plans may be accelerated if the following article is correct:​

How Elon Musk could take US to Mars sooner than expected​

Story by Tom Bawden

See: MSN

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Elon Musk’s quest to reach and colonise Mars looks set to be turbocharged after president-elect Donald Trump appointed him to overhaul the way US government works, space scientists have said.

Musk said recently that he plans to launch five uncrewed Starships to Mars for the first time in just two years. And if those flights go well, he said the first human crews would follow four years from now – with both goals regarded as hugely ambitious.

Following that, he has predicted that in about 20 years, one million Earthlings will be living on Mars – a target widely regarded as considerably more ambitious still.

Irrespective of whether those deadlines are hit, Musk’s appointment to lead the department of government efficiency (DOGE) is likely to speed the progress towards those goals, experts have told i.

Trump said DOGE “will pave the way for my administration to dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies”.

He added: “This will send shockwaves through the system, and anyone involved in government waste, which is a lot of people.”

Among other things, this role will give Musk a chance to stamp his mark on NASA, fundamentally changing the way it works and intensifying the focus on his – and Trump’s – Mars ambitions.

Professor Greg Autry of the University of Central Florida and Imperial College London told i that Musk’s new role will allow him to “rework the culture” at NASA.

He said Musk has done a huge amount for space travel in general “and more for Mars specifically than anyone ever.”

“His presence will elevate space to a forefront position in the new Trump administration where the president is already a fan of bolder space initiatives,” added Professor Autry, who is also Vice President of Space Development at the National Space Society.

“Musk is highly disruptive and I would expect to see him push Trump toward a massive change in policy and personnel that will disturb most of the existing institutions. This will include reworking the culture of NASA.”

What has Musk done for space travel so far?​

Scientists say Musk has played a key role in the space industry, through SpaceX’s work on reusable rocket launchers, global internet provision and crewed launches to the International Space Station.

He has transformed the logistics and cost of shorter-duration, near-to-Earth orbit space travel with his fleet of reusable Falcon rockets.

Meanwhile, where Mars is concerned, NASA is collaborating with SpaceX over knowledge and technology to get astronauts to the red planet – building on the work he has already done on space travel more generally.

More recently, SpaceX employees have started working on designs for a Martian city, including dome habitats and spacesuits, and researching whether humans can procreate off Earth, according to reports in The New York Times.

Space industry experts said that Musk’s influence over Trump could help advance his business interests, in particular his ambition to send the first crewed mission to Mars, aboard his SpaceX Starship, designed to shuttle the first humans to Mars.

“I think there will be change, and it will be disruptive. While change is not always good, I still see mostly positives,” Michelle Hanlon, executive director of the Center for Air and Space Law at the University of Mississippi School of Law and Editor-in-Chief, Journal of Space Law, told i.

“[Donald Trump] talked about commercial space in his acceptance speech. That has to be a first. And it signals a new focus on space activities. While for many other administrations space was just another part of the government to manage, here, space has been elevated already.”

And she welcome’s Musk’s appointment.

“I see another win for space activities and exploration. As yet it does not appear that Musk wants to run NASA and remake it in his image. I have no doubt that there is waste at NASA that can be trimmed, but the first priority is not “lets change the way we do space,” she said.

What problems could Musk face?​

Musk’s role is also likely to see him clashing with regulators, such as the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Federal Aviation Administration. He has railed against “excessive government regulation” arguing that it stifles innovation.

And he has repeatedly criticised anything that slows down the time taken to approve SpaceX rocket launches, such as investigations into their environmental impact and route planning to ensure a rocket can be safely launched into a designated airspace.

He is against rules that have blocked takeovers of tech start-ups and other companies by more established operators because of concerns about their impact on competition – again arguing that they stifle innovation.

Those kind of regulations look likely to be slashed under Musk, experts say.

John Crassidis, professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering at the University of Buffalo in New York – and a former NASA employee who still works with Nasa and the US Air Force – believes there is a desperate need to cut red tape.

“Elon Musk might be controversial but I can’t argue with the fact that he’s highly successful. And he sees the same stuff that I have seen, for sure. I see this as a positive,” he told i.

“From my ground perspective, I think we can cut a lot of this red tape out. Take the whole contracting process, which can be streamlined. There’s just so much paper work you have to do.”

“Instead of them sending over a ton of stuff to sign within two days – and then a week later they sign us another one, again within two days, it’s just a whole months-long process to get the contract in place. Just solving that problem will save a lot of money,” he added.

What happens next?​

There are still a lot of technical hurdles to overcome before can get to Mars – such as the sheer distance and incredibly high radiation levels – let alone live there. NASA doesn’t expect to land humans on Mars until the 2040s.

And when they arrive they will have to contend with icy temperatures, dust storms and air that is impossible to breath.

The moon, on the other hand, is much more achievable and Trump has said the moon was the first step toward his ultimate goal to reach Mars.

And, according to Dr Hanlon, for all his excitement about Mars, Musk is likely to share Trump’s enthusiasm for the moon.

“The concern has been raised to me that Musk will move us from the Moon to focus on Mars. I have no insight, but would be very surprised if the US walked away from Artemis [NASA’s ongoing moon mission]”, she said.

As things stand for the Artemis programme, NASA plans to launch four astronauts toward the moon using its Space Launch System and Orion spaceship.

In lunar orbit, the ship would meet up with SpaceX’s Starship, which would carry two astronauts to the moon’s surface, putting the first people on the moon since 1972.

And when they get there, this is another example of what they may find:

New images show 'by far the most detailed view of a Mars city to date’​

Story by Josh Milton

See: MSN

Need a new city break destination for your next holiday? Mars could be your answer.

Yes, really. A truthseeker claimed this week to have discovered the ‘clearest example yet’ of a Martian city.

‘This is by far the most detailed view of a Mars city to date,’ Joe White, who runs ArtAlien.TV, said of the 4km wide city buried under 50ft of sand.

‘Many of the smaller buildings are buried in sand but larger ruins can be seen.’

‘Raised roads, walls and T junctions all over it. Structures inside walled compounds,’ he added, pointing to high-quality images of crisscrossing dunes.

Images of this grid-like pattern of pin-straight ridges and right angles were posted on GIGAmacro, a database of photographs composed of at least one billion pixels.

White attributed the discovery to Greg Orme, an Australian professor who has long combed the King’s Valley of Libya Montes at the Martian equator for signs of ‘artificiality’.

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The Libya Montes is a highland area that includes a face-like formation that’s sometimes called ‘crowned face’. (Though, experts say this might just be an example of how we often see ‘faces’ in ordinary objects.) [MJF: If it looks like a face that is probably because it is a face. If you were to show these same experts satellite photographs of Mt Rushmore, they would probably say the same.]

The Libya Montes ‘face’​

Across the region, White pinpointed various grooves, bulges and shapes that he says appear to be roads and other types of infrastructure.​

White speculates the rounder, egg-like formations in the images may have once contained water for irrigation, when water is precisely sprayed to help crops grow.

NASA has spent decades trying to figure out if there is – or was – life on Mars. Space officials have described some of the stranger-looking formations on the planet as ‘polygons’, as White notes of the King’s Valley.

‘There is even a 90ft bridge centre right. The elevated roads are four to five metres wide and over 60ft high on the east side of the city,’ he continued.

‘One of the roads even goes up the Kodiak mountain near the centre of the city. Some seem to go through it, suggesting a tunnel.

‘Elon Musk will have a bit of a surprise when he gets there.’

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Musk, the billionaire owner of X and the rocket company SpaceX, has long said he wants to help bring millions to Mars to build a self-sustaining civilization.

No one, however, has ever set foot on the planet [MJF: Hmmm ... really?]. NASA doesn’t expect an astronaut’s boot to land on the red planet until the 2040s, and that would be after a nine-month voyage.

And it would take a fair bit of time to colonise Mars, a planet covered by barren terrain, toxic soil, freezing temperatures, dust storms that blot out the sun for weeks and air that is impossible to breathe.

And cost a lot too. Even shooting an Apple up to Mars would cost hundreds of pounds.

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Booked your ticket yet?

Please note that I have been studying photographic evidence like this from Mars for years. What I can tell you is that this is no isolated example of a former Atlantean city on Mars. Indeed, Richard Hoagland estimated that the city complex at Cydonia, where the famous Face on Mars is located, was as large as modern day Los Angeles. Today these Martian cities are buried under deep layers of ice and sand. They could be at least 50,000 years old. However, they appear to have been destroyed in a planet wide cataclysm that could have been caused by multiple close encounters with both Venus and Earth:

Session 30 September 1994:
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Q: (L) Was Noah's flood caused by the close passage of another celestial body?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Which body was that?

A: Martek.

Q: (L) Do we know this body in our solar system now?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What name?

A: Mars.

Q: (L) Was Martek an inhabited planet at that time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did it have water or other features?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When it passed close to the earth did it, in fact, overload our planet with water we did not have prior to that time?

A: Yes.

And

Session 5 October 1994:

Q: (L) If Venus was one of the cataclysms and the cluster of comets was another, what was the third?

A: Mars.

Q: (L) Was Mars knocked out of its orbit by Venus?

A: Yes.

[...]

Q: (L) What caused Martek to pass close to the earth at that time since that was many thousands of years before the Venus interaction?

A: Planetary alignment gravitational aberration related to Venus.

Q: (L) So, there was a planetary line-up that caused Mars to be pulled out of its orbit?

A: Yes.

And:

Session 25 February 2023:

(seek10) The C's mentioned that Hindu god Rama was a high priest influenced by the Confederation. What is his time period?

A: 50k years ago

Q: (seek10) What is the evil he fought against?

A: Lizards.

[...]

(seek10) The C's said that 50k years back, there was a war between Kantekkians and the Paranthas. Does the Rama play into that picture? Was it before or after the war?

A: After.

Q: (Ursus Minor) When did the Atlanteans start building pyramids on Mars?

A: Also about 50k years ago.

So, it seems Mars was no longer inhabited at the time of Noah's Flood (which the C's said took place in 10,662 BC) perhaps because the human settlers there had already been overwhelmed by an earlier close passage with the planet Venus that knocked Mars out of its orbit. The other possibility is that Mars had become uninhabitable after a nuclear had been fought out between the Kantekkians and the Paranthas (both being Atlantean races), as alluded to by former NASA scientist John E. Brandenburg in his book Death on Mars. For those who like scientific proof of these things, I attach a pdf link to Brandenburg's paper on his Mars nuclear war hypothesis:
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf

But when, if ever, Musk's intrepid colonists finally make it to Mars, they had better look out:

Session 7 October 1994:
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Q: (L) What are Mars' moons?

A: Disguised bases.

Q: (L) Who built them?

A: Who else? The Lizzies

And:

Session 23 November 1996:
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Q: (T) Is the book Courtney Brown wrote, "Cosmic Voyage," concerning the Martian population...

A: It is true that there are underground bases on Mars, but they are Orion STS.

 

[MJF]

I aim to get back to posting on themes surrounding Abbe Sauniere and the Grail etc. later this week. However, there were a number of posts on the subject of stone circles in recent times on this thread and I thought I would bring to people's attention a few new circle discoveries that have been made in Britain that I chanced upon. Sadly, the Victorians developed something of a mania for Neolithic sites in the 19th century and would organise mass digs, which had more of a carnival atmosphere (bring a picnic hamper) about them than a proper archaeological survey. Unfortunately, many of the sites were destroyed and any artefacts that were found, would often end up being sold for profit rather than stored in museums or in proper private collections. This amateur approach to archaeology would change gradually but by then the damage had been done where these earlier digs were concerned. Who knows what priceless relics and archaeological discoveries were lost to posterity. Although Britain is one of the best archeologically survey countries in the world, new discoveries are still being made all the time. Archaeological programs on British television remain popular with the likes of Neil Oliver and Professor Alice Roberts presenting shows where new discoveries are presented and discussed. That being said, it is not often that you get hitherto undiscovered stone circles in Britain with the opportunity to apply modern scientific methods to them, but here are three examples.

The Guardian​

Two newly discovered stone circles on Dartmoor boost ‘sacred arc’ theory​

Story by Steven Morris
See: MSN

Alan Endacott (second from left) with dig volunteers at the newly discovered Metheral stone circle on Dartmoor.
Photograph: Chris Walpole​

Two neolithic stone circles have been discovered on Dartmoor, adding credibility to the theory that a “sacred arc” of monuments was built in the heart of the wild Devon uplands.

One of the circles appears to have similar features to Stonehenge, while the second sits slightly outside the sweep of the arc and could have served as a gateway used by pilgrims travelling to the area.

The discovery of the two rings is a result of a lifetime of work by Alan Endacott, a Devon archaeologist and stained glass artist who in 2007 unearthed the presence of the highest stone circle in southern England, Sittaford on Dartmoor (see picture below).

Sittaford Stone Circle, Dartmoor
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[With a diameter of 34 metres (112ft), the circle consists of 30 recumbent stones, plus one more lying in a gap just outside the circle and now incorporated into an unfinished enclosure wall. The radiocarbon dates obtained from soil samples taken from directly beneath two of the stones have produced very similar results and calibrate to the end of the third millennium BC (4,000 years ago). But this only indicates the date by which the stones had fallen, so the stone circle could be much older.]

It was the first stone circle to be discovered on the moor for more than a century and reinforced the sacred arc theory. Rather than resting on his laurels, Endacott has kept on searching for more circles and been rewarded with two further finds.

“It’s been wonderful,” said Endacott, who was joined by a team of volunteers braving the moor’s often inclement weather in September and October to work on the sites. “Since Sittaford I’ve been doing lots of systematic searches. You’ve got to get off the beaten track to find anything new on Dartmoor.”

Endacott has named one of the monuments the Metheral circle after the hill it stands beneath. It consists of 20 stones, mainly fallen, and the circle measures about 40 metres by 33 metres.

The team also discovered signs of an external bank surrounding the circle, of which Endacott said: “It is suggestive of a Neolithic henge monument of a similar form to the Stripple Stones on Bodmin Moor [in Cornwall], the Ring of Brodgar on Orkney or even the earlier phase of Stonehenge.​

Stripple Stones Circle-Henge on Bodmin Moor, Cornwall​

“People moved long distances in that period, so the people who built the stone circle at Metheral might also have been to Stonehenge and even possibly to Orkney [MJF: Could it have been the other way around I wonder] They travelled quite widely; there were lots of contacts between them with trading and so on.”

Endacott believes a sacred arc was intended to ring the high ground in the centre of the moor. “Dartmoor would have been very different then, there would have been a lot more forest cover. So possibly they were markers in the landscape, they recognised the higher ground and wanted to kind of enclose it for some reason.”

The second newly discovered circle sits just north of what Endacott believes is the sweep of the sacred arc at a prominent position called Irishman’s Wall. Also found there was a collapsed dolmen that Endacott has named “the fallen brother dolmen” as a tribute to those from Dartmoor communities who died in the world wars.

It does not appear to be part of the arc. “But maybe it was an entrance point [to the arc] from the north,” he said.

Endacott, 66, has been searching for the circles on Dartmoor since the 1970s and has “contenders” for other circles that may help fill in gaps in the ring.

He said: “These excavations exceeded my expectations and brought new evidence to light that will help with our understanding, but inevitably they have also raised more questions about why they were built. There are definitely other sites that I want to follow up on. We won’t be stopping any time soon.”​

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Dartmoor in Devon is located in south-west England and is not really that far from Stonehenge in Wiltshire with just the county of Somerset intervening between the two. The C's described England as being a "window" area and this could explain why so many stone circles were built in this region. Below is a map of the known stone circles in Dartmoor to give you an idea of the scale of stone circle building in this one region of Devon alone.



This makes me think of the mysterious Hyperboreans whose wisdom would be transmitted to the Adriatic, the Balkans and beyond. Why did they build so many stone circles in Britain. Did they intend to create a huge electricity grid perhaps?

Moving further north now, a 4,000 year old stone circle has recently been discovered in a forest in the county of Gloucestershire.​

Bronze Age Stone Circle Found Hidden in British Forest​

By Ed Whelan

Reconstruction of the stone circle. Source: Anne Leaver
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An archaeologist has announced the discovery of a 4000-year-old stone circle. It was found in one of the most famous forests in England. The find is the first of its kind in this part of Britain and it may help historians to better understand these enigmatic stone circles.

The stone circle was found in the Forest of Dean, which is in the County of Gloucestershire, in the south-west of England. It is located in the general area of the village of Tidenham. The exact location is a secret, to ensure that it does not attract the attention of looters and illegal treasure hunters.
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Found in a Forest by Using Lasers

The monument was identified through an aerial survey of the woodland using LiDAR (light detection and ranging). This is ‘a remote sensing technology that measures distance by shooting a laser at a target and analyzing the light that is reflected back,’ reports the Daily Mail. This data is then used to create a 3D model of the land or objects. It allowed the surveyors to examine the Forest of Dean as if all the trees were removed. This technology has been used successfully by others to locate lost Mayan cities in the impenetrable jungles of Central America.
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The ring cairn can be seen here on the LiDAR scan. ​

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Archaeologist Jon Hoyle identified a circular formation or feature during the survey. Hoyle as first thought the circular feature ‘might be a World War Two gun emplacement,’ reports the BBC. He then visited the site and realized that his initial assessment had been very wrong.

A Testament to Bronze Age Development

He had in fact identified a prehistoric stone circle, often known as a ring cairn, that possibly dates to between 2200 and 1500 BC. This was in a period when bronze began to be widely used in the British Isles, leading to many profound changes. Hoyle told the BBC that “It was very exciting. I was expecting to find quite a lot of new sites with the LiDAR, but nothing as interesting as this.”

‘The Gloucestershire ring cairn is about 80 feet wide and the circle rubble bank around it is 16 feet thick,’ according to The Sun. About 10 white limestone standing stones that are covered with vegetation are located on the ring. They are roughly three feet (one meter) high and the structure is much smaller than monuments such as Stonehenge.

The Sun quotes Hoyle as stating that “not all Bronze Age stone rings used large stones.” He believes that the rubble bank that forms an embankment could have been the most significant part of the structure and not the standing stones. This ring cairn is unusual because this type of structure is usually found in upland areas.

These ring cairns have been found in Derbyshire and Cornwall in England. They have also been found in Wales and Ireland. It is believed that they are associated with one community or culture. Finding one for the first time ever in Gloucestershire is therefore important as it indicates that cairn rings are distributed over a wider geographical area than once thought. Moreover, they may show that these structures are more common than believed.​

New Insights into Stone Circles​

Despite the fact that these stone rings are quite common in parts of the British Isles, no one knows for sure what they were used for and why Bronze Age societies built them. There have been some graves found in the rings, mostly with cremated remains. However, the majority of academics do not believe that they were used primarily for burials.

Many experts believe that the stone circles were used for ceremonial and ritualistic purposes. Significant deposits of charcoal have been found in the ring cairns. The BBC quotes Hoyle as stating that “often there appear to be residues of charcoal in places like this, suggesting rituals that involved fire.”
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That last remark about fire rituals makes me think of Zoroastrianism and its association with fire, an association inherited by the Parsis, the modern exponents of Zoroastrian beliefs. The C's have confirmed that the Egyptians and the Hebrews were influenced to some degree by Zoroastrianism beliefs. Could this have included the court of Pharaoh Akhenaten, at which Princess Meritaten was a major figure? Could Zoroastrianism have also influenced the Tuatha de Danann who would appear to have been Canaanites? If so, given that the stone ring could date to as early as 1500 BC, well within the dating of Princess Meritaten's arrival in Britain based on the C's dating for her era, might it have been built by her followers, stone circles not being uncommon in Bronze Age Canaan?​

 

[moyal]

For the sake of completeness, if you're interested, here's what a guest writer from Miles Mathis has to say about the Gunpowder Plot:

-> https://mileswmathis.com/fawkes.pdf

 

[MJF]

I like to watch documentaries recently I saw one of a writer called (Patrice Chaplin) according to her she had privileged information about portals, a secret society in Girona, mysteries in the Pyrenees, rituals and practices in astral travel and about the enigma of the Grail.

Patrice shows that the Grail is related to portals but through astral travel.

My apologies but I had overlooked your post. I have read two of Patrice Chaplin's books and will hopefully be writing about her incredible experiences soon. I believe that her involvement with a secretive grail society may hold the key to unlocking the real secret of Abbe Sauniere. This involves his hidden Rosicrucian allegiances and his deep knowledge of the Kabballah. What makes her books so interesting is that she stumbled into the mystery of the grail as a young naïve teenager when she arrived in Girona as a wide-eyed 16 year old and encountered completely by chance (or was it?) a young Catalan poet, Jose Tarres, who happened to be a member of the society in question. I have in previous posts touched on her experiences but they really deserve a whole post of their own. Watch this space.

Where you state that "Patrice [Chaplin] shows that the Grail is related to portals but through astral travel", you are partly right in my view. I would argue, as the C's have hinted at, that the local terrain in that part of Spain/France also helps to create a natural portal (or window) and one of these is located or centred on a mountaintop in the French Pyrenees, which has been connected to strange occurrences from time immemorial, i.e., Mt. Canigou. Nevertheless, there did seem to be some ancient object (artefact) or device that the society was guarding that Tarres would ultimately hide for safety within the portal located at the top of Mt. Canigou. Recall here that the C's have spoken of a specific trans-density device and mentioned that it is hidden by an "occlusion", which is something akin to a frequency fence:
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Session 26 February 2002:

Q: (L) Jay Weidner says that there is something in the south of France that is very, very evil. Is correct in this assessment?

A: Not really. But those guarding the secrets might be termed as such. Also they wish to make others think thus. Machiavelli!

[…]

Q: (L) We were making some theories about this object that Vincent Bridges was looking for - the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail. I believe that we understand that this is an object that is of great usefulness, some kind of lensing device. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this something that the STS groups - yeah, we know everybody on earth is STS, but I mean the heavy duty ones - had at one time and then lost, or lost control of?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How did they lose it?

A: It was not so much "lost" as it was "retrieved" and put away for safe keeping.

Q: (R & L) Who retrieved it?

A: 4th density STO mission.

Q: (L) Who is it that is looking for it? Is it 3rd density STS or 4th density?

A: Both.

Q: (L) If it is a 3rd density device why do 4th density critters want it?

A: It is a trans-density device.

Q: (L) Well if 4th density STS are so technically advanced how come they can't just make another one?

A: This item is tuned by consciousness. It is of such a frequency that STS gifts are not capable of such precision. The range includes multiple possibility vectors. STS operates within a narrow range.

Q: (R) So they can't make it, but they can use it. So they have to find one that is already created. (L) Is that possible? (A) Operated by consciousness. (L) They said tuned not operated. First of all we want to ask whether they mean tuned as in tuned when it was created or as tuned as in using. (A) There is this scenario that they will wait until the STO guy will find it and tune it, and still only then they will jump on 'em. (L) Right. Do you mean tuned as in the tuning of the creation or the tuning of the operation?

A: Creation.

Q: (A) Okay. Once it is tuned, it is tuned, right? (R) Yeah. And if it was similar to our simulation then tuning is done by exposing it to similar frequencies. (L) Or maybe assembling it by virtue of frequencies that are produced. But it still needs to be established whether or not they can see it. So we have theorized that the reason they can't find it, the only reason we can see for why they can't find it, is because for some reason it is protected by frequency or something and that they don't know where it is either. Is this correct?

A: Mostly. They have a general idea.

Q: What specifically prevents them from isolating the exact spot and getting it?

A: Occlusion.

Q: (A) What is occlusion? (R) I think that's similar to ...

A: Frequency fence.

Q: (R) Which is similar to what we've been talking about. If you don't have the same frequency it's ... (L) Or they can set a frequency around it that these guys can't tune to and can't penetrate. (R) It becomes invisible in some sense. (L) But they can still in some way detect a region or something. But it can be like noise or something maybe; so much noise that they can't isolate the signal. Is this the reason these people keep coming after us, because they want us to help them find this thing? Is this the reason?

A: More or less. Though not the only one.

The question we need to ask, therefore, is whether the object or device the C's were referring to above was the same object that Jose Tarres hid within the portal at the top of Mt. Canigou, an object that the Knights Templar apparently once had in their possession.

The C's reference to an occlusion and a frequency fence reminds me of what the scientists investigating Skinwalker Ranch have been encountering during their ongoing investigations into the bizarre phenomena that people have experienced there, including themselves directly. The C's have said that there is in fact a hidden STS underground base located under the mesa, which operates at a 4th density level. Although the investigators cannot see anything with their human senses, their instruments have been able to pick up on there being something that is clearly anomalous there, which the scientists believe is a portal or a wormhole. The word "occlusion" means a process whereby something is hidden or obscured from prominence or view. This perfectly describes the STS base at Skinwalker Ranch but it may also describe the portal on the top of Mt Canigou where a sacred object may well be hidden in another dimension or density, which only a person who has the ability or capability to penetrate the frequency fence may discover.

The C's have spoken about the need for doing the "work" in order to succeed as a 4th density candidate. It is interesting, therefore, that those who wished to experience the portal's effects at the top of Mt Canigou, the last stop on the Venus Magic Square, had to undergo a period of intense preparation or initiation with the assistance of a skilled Cabbalist. This had included Abbe Sauniere, who knew of the secret society guarding the grail, and underwent the initiation to fulfil his dream of laying his hands on the grail device, which he saw as being a golden chalice. According to what Patrice Chaplin was told, he failed to complete the initiation, whereas she succeeded and experienced the effects of the portal first hand whilst at the top of the mountain (think here of an 'out of the body' time travel experience like those scenarios often depicted in the old US TV show The Twilight Zone). Another to have completed the initiation and experienced the portal was the Spanish artist Salvador Dali (a Rosicrucian and friend of artist and film director Jean Cocteau - who Patrice Chaplin would meet in Girona and also appear in one of his movies whilst she stayed there) who Patrice Chaplin knew personally as her former husband, Charlie Chaplin's son, used to ship his artwork to the United States for him. This experience may be what helped to inform many of Dali's surrealist paintings - was he trying to depict the dream-like world or reality of 4D perhaps?

During my research into the Rennes-le- Chateau mystery, I have discovered that the French artist Nicholas Poussin also did another work of art involving a mountain and intriguingly blue grapes. I hope to post on this soon.

Finally, may I request a favour from you by asking you to post a link to the Patrice Chaplin video you referred to in your post. With thanks in anticipation.​

 

[Wandering Star]

My apologies but I had overlooked your post. I have read two of Patrice Chaplin's books and will hopefully be writing about her incredible experiences soon. I believe that her involvement with a secretive grail society may hold the key to unlocking the real secret of Abbe Sauniere. This involves his hidden Rosicrucian allegiances and his deep knowledge of the Kabballah. What makes her books so interesting is that she stumbled into the mystery of the grail as a young naïve teenager when she arrived in Girona as a wide-eyed 16 year old and encountered completely by chance (or was it?) a young Catalan poet, Jose Tarres, who happened to be a member of the society in question. I have in previous posts touched on her experiences but they really deserve a whole post of their own. Watch this space.

Where you state that "Patrice [Chaplin] shows that the Grail is related to portals but through astral travel", you are partly right in my view. I would argue, as the C's have hinted at, that the local terrain in that part of Spain/France also helps to create a natural portal (or window) and one of these is located or centred on a mountaintop in the French Pyrenees, which has been connected to strange occurrences from time immemorial, i.e., Mt. Canigou. Nevertheless, there did seem to be some ancient object (artefact) or device that the society was guarding that Tarres would ultimately hide for safety within the portal located at the top of Mt. Canigou. Recall here that the C's have spoken of a specific trans-density device and mentioned that it is hidden by an "occlusion", which is something akin to a frequency fence:
​

Session 26 February 2002:

Q: (L) Jay Weidner says that there is something in the south of France that is very, very evil. Is correct in this assessment?

A: Not really. But those guarding the secrets might be termed as such. Also they wish to make others think thus. Machiavelli!

[…]

Q: (L) We were making some theories about this object that Vincent Bridges was looking for - the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail. I believe that we understand that this is an object that is of great usefulness, some kind of lensing device. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this something that the STS groups - yeah, we know everybody on earth is STS, but I mean the heavy duty ones - had at one time and then lost, or lost control of?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How did they lose it?

A: It was not so much "lost" as it was "retrieved" and put away for safe keeping.

Q: (R & L) Who retrieved it?

A: 4th density STO mission.

Q: (L) Who is it that is looking for it? Is it 3rd density STS or 4th density?

A: Both.

Q: (L) If it is a 3rd density device why do 4th density critters want it?

A: It is a trans-density device.

Q: (L) Well if 4th density STS are so technically advanced how come they can't just make another one?

A: This item is tuned by consciousness. It is of such a frequency that STS gifts are not capable of such precision. The range includes multiple possibility vectors. STS operates within a narrow range.

Q: (R) So they can't make it, but they can use it. So they have to find one that is already created. (L) Is that possible? (A) Operated by consciousness. (L) They said tuned not operated. First of all we want to ask whether they mean tuned as in tuned when it was created or as tuned as in using. (A) There is this scenario that they will wait until the STO guy will find it and tune it, and still only then they will jump on 'em. (L) Right. Do you mean tuned as in the tuning of the creation or the tuning of the operation?

A: Creation.

Q: (A) Okay. Once it is tuned, it is tuned, right? (R) Yeah. And if it was similar to our simulation then tuning is done by exposing it to similar frequencies. (L) Or maybe assembling it by virtue of frequencies that are produced. But it still needs to be established whether or not they can see it. So we have theorized that the reason they can't find it, the only reason we can see for why they can't find it, is because for some reason it is protected by frequency or something and that they don't know where it is either. Is this correct?

A: Mostly. They have a general idea.

Q: What specifically prevents them from isolating the exact spot and getting it?

A: Occlusion.

Q: (A) What is occlusion? (R) I think that's similar to ...

A: Frequency fence.

Q: (R) Which is similar to what we've been talking about. If you don't have the same frequency it's ... (L) Or they can set a frequency around it that these guys can't tune to and can't penetrate. (R) It becomes invisible in some sense. (L) But they can still in some way detect a region or something. But it can be like noise or something maybe; so much noise that they can't isolate the signal. Is this the reason these people keep coming after us, because they want us to help them find this thing? Is this the reason?

A: More or less. Though not the only one.

The question we need to ask, therefore, is whether the object or device the C's were referring to above was the same object that Jose Tarres hid within the portal at the top of Mt. Canigou, an object that the Knights Templar apparently once had in their possession.

The C's reference to an occlusion and a frequency fence reminds me of what the scientists investigating Skinwalker Ranch have been encountering during their ongoing investigations into the bizarre phenomena that people have experienced there, including themselves directly. The C's have said that there is in fact a hidden STS underground base located under the mesa, which operates at a 4th density level. Although the investigators cannot see anything with their human senses, their instruments have been able to pick up on there being something that is clearly anomalous there, which the scientists believe is a portal or a wormhole. The word "occlusion" means a process whereby something is hidden or obscured from prominence or view. This perfectly describes the STS base at Skinwalker Ranch but it may also describe the portal on the top of Mt Canigou where a sacred object may well be hidden in another dimension or density, which only a person who has the ability or capability to penetrate the frequency fence may discover.

The C's have spoken about the need for doing the "work" in order to succeed as a 4th density candidate. It is interesting, therefore, that those who wished to experience the portal's effects at the top of Mt Canigou, the last stop on the Venus Magic Square, had to undergo a period of intense preparation or initiation with the assistance of a skilled Cabbalist. This had included Abbe Sauniere, who knew of the secret society guarding the grail, and underwent the initiation to fulfil his dream of laying his hands on the grail device, which he saw as being a golden chalice. According to what Patrice Chaplin was told, he failed to complete the initiation, whereas she succeeded and experienced the effects of the portal first hand whilst at the top of the mountain (think here of an 'out of the body' time travel experience like those scenarios often depicted in the old US TV show The Twilight Zone). Another to have completed the initiation and experienced the portal was the Spanish artist Salvador Dali (a Rosicrucian and friend of artist and film director Jean Cocteau - who Patrice Chaplin would meet in Girona and also appear in one of his movies whilst she stayed there) who Patrice Chaplin knew personally as her former husband, Charlie Chaplin's son, used to ship his artwork to the United States for him. This experience may be what helped to inform many of Dali's surrealist paintings - was he trying to depict the dream-like world or reality of 4D perhaps?

During my research into the Rennes-le- Chateau mystery, I have discovered that the French artist Nicholas Poussin also did another work of art involving a mountain and intriguingly blue grapes. I hope to post on this soon.

Finally, may I request a favour from you by asking you to post a link to the Patrice Chaplin video you referred to in your post. With thanks in anticipation.​

The funny thing about this device is that only those who have no "desire" to find or operate it can find and operate it.

 

[yula]

My apologies but I had overlooked your post. I have read two of Patrice Chaplin's books and will hopefully be writing about her incredible experiences soon. I believe that her involvement with a secretive grail society may hold the key to unlocking the real secret of Abbe Sauniere. This involves his hidden Rosicrucian allegiances and his deep knowledge of the Kabballah. What makes her books so interesting is that she stumbled into the mystery of the grail as a young naïve teenager when she arrived in Girona as a wide-eyed 16 year old and encountered completely by chance (or was it?) a young Catalan poet, Jose Tarres, who happened to be a member of the society in question. I have in previous posts touched on her experiences but they really deserve a whole post of their own. Watch this space.

Where you state that "Patrice [Chaplin] shows that the Grail is related to portals but through astral travel", you are partly right in my view. I would argue, as the C's have hinted at, that the local terrain in that part of Spain/France also helps to create a natural portal (or window) and one of these is located or centred on a mountaintop in the French Pyrenees, which has been connected to strange occurrences from time immemorial, i.e., Mt. Canigou. Nevertheless, there did seem to be some ancient object (artefact) or device that the society was guarding that Tarres would ultimately hide for safety within the portal located at the top of Mt. Canigou. Recall here that the C's have spoken of a specific trans-density device and mentioned that it is hidden by an "occlusion", which is something akin to a frequency fence:
​

Session 26 February 2002:

Q: (L) Jay Weidner says that there is something in the south of France that is very, very evil. Is correct in this assessment?

A: Not really. But those guarding the secrets might be termed as such. Also they wish to make others think thus. Machiavelli!

[…]

Q: (L) We were making some theories about this object that Vincent Bridges was looking for - the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail. I believe that we understand that this is an object that is of great usefulness, some kind of lensing device. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this something that the STS groups - yeah, we know everybody on earth is STS, but I mean the heavy duty ones - had at one time and then lost, or lost control of?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How did they lose it?

A: It was not so much "lost" as it was "retrieved" and put away for safe keeping.

Q: (R & L) Who retrieved it?

A: 4th density STO mission.

Q: (L) Who is it that is looking for it? Is it 3rd density STS or 4th density?

A: Both.

Q: (L) If it is a 3rd density device why do 4th density critters want it?

A: It is a trans-density device.

Q: (L) Well if 4th density STS are so technically advanced how come they can't just make another one?

A: This item is tuned by consciousness. It is of such a frequency that STS gifts are not capable of such precision. The range includes multiple possibility vectors. STS operates within a narrow range.

Q: (R) So they can't make it, but they can use it. So they have to find one that is already created. (L) Is that possible? (A) Operated by consciousness. (L) They said tuned not operated. First of all we want to ask whether they mean tuned as in tuned when it was created or as tuned as in using. (A) There is this scenario that they will wait until the STO guy will find it and tune it, and still only then they will jump on 'em. (L) Right. Do you mean tuned as in the tuning of the creation or the tuning of the operation?

A: Creation.

Q: (A) Okay. Once it is tuned, it is tuned, right? (R) Yeah. And if it was similar to our simulation then tuning is done by exposing it to similar frequencies. (L) Or maybe assembling it by virtue of frequencies that are produced. But it still needs to be established whether or not they can see it. So we have theorized that the reason they can't find it, the only reason we can see for why they can't find it, is because for some reason it is protected by frequency or something and that they don't know where it is either. Is this correct?

A: Mostly. They have a general idea.

Q: What specifically prevents them from isolating the exact spot and getting it?

A: Occlusion.

Q: (A) What is occlusion? (R) I think that's similar to ...

A: Frequency fence.

Q: (R) Which is similar to what we've been talking about. If you don't have the same frequency it's ... (L) Or they can set a frequency around it that these guys can't tune to and can't penetrate. (R) It becomes invisible in some sense. (L) But they can still in some way detect a region or something. But it can be like noise or something maybe; so much noise that they can't isolate the signal. Is this the reason these people keep coming after us, because they want us to help them find this thing? Is this the reason?

A: More or less. Though not the only one.

The question we need to ask, therefore, is whether the object or device the C's were referring to above was the same object that Jose Tarres hid within the portal at the top of Mt. Canigou, an object that the Knights Templar apparently once had in their possession.

La referencia de la C a una oclusión y una valla de frecuencia me recuerda lo que los científicos que investigan Skinwalker Ranch han estado encontrando durante sus investigaciones en curso sobre los extraños fenómenos que la gente ha experimentado allí, incluidos ellos mismos directamente. Los C han dicho que, de hecho, hay una base subterránea STS oculta ubicada debajo de la mesa, que opera en un nivel de cuarta densidad. Aunque los investigadores no pueden ver nada con sus sentidos humanos, sus instrumentos han podido detectar que hay algo claramente anómalo allí, que los científicos creen que es un portal o un agujero de gusano. La palabra "oclusión" significa un proceso mediante el cual algo queda oculto u oculto a la prominencia o la vista. Esto describe perfectamente la base STS en Skinwalker Ranch, pero también puede describir el portal en la cima del Monte Canigou, donde un objeto sagrado bien puede estar oculto en otra dimensión o densidad que sólo podrá descubrir una persona que tenga la capacidad de penetrar la valla de frecuencia.

The C's have spoken about the need for doing the "work" in order to succeed as a 4th density candidate. It is interesting, therefore, that those who wished to experience the portal's effects at the top of Mt Canigou, the last stop on the Venus Magic Square, had to undergo a period of intense preparation or initiation with the assistance of a skilled Cabbalist. This had included Abbe Sauniere, who knew of the secret society guarding the grail, and underwent the initiation to fulfil his dream of laying his hands on the grail device, which he saw as being a golden chalice. According to what Patrice Chaplin was told, he failed to complete the initiation, whereas she succeeded and experienced the effects of the portal first hand whilst at the top of the mountain (think here of an 'out of the body' time travel experience like those scenarios often depicted in the old US TV show The Twilight Zone). Another to have completed the initiation and experienced the portal was the Spanish artist Salvador Dali (a Rosicrucian and friend of artist and film director Jean Cocteau - who Patrice Chaplin would meet in Girona and also appear in one of his movies whilst she stayed there) who Patrice Chaplin knew personally as her former husband, Charlie Chaplin's son, used to ship his artwork to the United States for him. This experience may be what helped to inform many of Dali's surrealist paintings - was he trying to depict the dream-like world or reality of 4D perhaps?

During my research into the Rennes-le- Chateau mystery, I have discovered that the French artist Nicholas Poussin also did another work of art involving a mountain and intriguingly blue grapes. I hope to post on this soon.

Finally, may I request a favour from you by asking you to post a link to the Patrice Chaplin video you referred to in your post. With thanks in anticipation.​

It is my assumption that Jose Tarres is just a decoy as well as the secret society of which Patrice declares about a connection of two towers to each other.
Laura in a recent interview said that the Cs told her that she would see the Grail relating it to plasma phenomena and she said yes, indeed over the years she has seen many phenomena like that in the sky above the electrical universe.
My assumption is that Patrice Chaplin is indirectly being manipulated by other forces as well.
Since the value of the Grail is extraordinary.

 

[yula]

The funny thing about this device is that only those who have no "desire" to find or operate it can find and operate it.

Patrice Chaplin I do not believe that he has found the Grail neither Jose Tarres but I do believe that they have a closer idea that can even be related to the one presented by the Cs on this subject. Even here we can see a consideration about "a head of a family" the Cs said they take care of their eating habits

. Yes... Patrice or Jose indeed declare about an initiation and previous preparation on certain foods, a guide, a geographical place and other details.

But where is the evidence? If the Grail being a consciousness device if it had been activated the STS forces of 4D and 3D would have intervened, confiscated, persecuted, intimidated and removed any secret society and even more if Patrice and Jose Tarres promote themselves...they would have had to be in the hands of the STS.

 

[Wandering Star]

Patrice Chaplin I do not believe that he has found the Grail neither Jose Tarres but I do believe that they have a closer idea that can even be related to the one presented by the Cs on this subject. Even here we can see a consideration about "a head of a family" the Cs said they take care of their eating habits

. Yes... Patrice or Jose indeed declare about an initiation and previous preparation on certain foods, a guide, a geographical place and other details.

But where is the evidence? If the Grail being a consciousness device if it had been activated the STS forces of 4D and 3D would have intervened, confiscated, persecuted, intimidated and removed any secret society and even more if Patrice and Jose Tarres promote themselves...they would have had to be in the hands of the STS.

Well, people who like this topic, I think it's possible that in this thing called the search for the grail, the machine recovered by the good guys (from our perspective) is confused with the real grail (which may be something else).

If you're looking for the machine, I wonder why.

It's already been recovered by the good guys, right?

 

[MJF]

Patrice Chaplin I do not believe that he has found the Grail neither Jose Tarres but I do believe that they have a closer idea that can even be related to the one presented by the Cs on this subject. Even here we can see a consideration about "a head of a family" the Cs said they take care of their eating habits

. Yes... Patrice or Jose indeed declare about an initiation and previous preparation on certain foods, a guide, a geographical place and other details.

But where is the evidence? If the Grail being a consciousness device if it had been activated the STS forces of 4D and 3D would have intervened, confiscated, persecuted, intimidated and removed any secret society and even more if Patrice and Jose Tarres promote themselves...they would have had to be in the hands of the STS.

When Patrice Chaplin first met Jose Torres she was just a young teenage girl who knew nothing about the Grail or any secret societies. She blundered into the secret and was way out of her depth. Shem met Jean Cocteau in Girona and he gave her a small part in the movie he was shooting there. However, even she could see he was really more interested in something else than the movie and that something else she would later discover was the Grail.

Chaplin would accidently catch Cocteau, dressed in the robes and headdress of a Rosicrucian high priest, conducting a secret ceremony in the tower that adjoined the French woman's house (she was in fact the secret mistress of Abbe Sauniere who would build a second tower at Rennes-le-Chateau based on the Girona Tower's design). At that time Chaplin knew nothing about the Rosicrucians. We should recall here that in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, the book which really put the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau on the map long before Dan Jones came along, the three British authors proposed that Jean Cocteau was the head of the secretive 'Priory of Sion' organisation. Although this organisation would prove to be a modern fabrication by conman Pierre Plantard, I believe that it masked a real secret society that is the inner circle of the Rosicrucians (the modern manifestation of the Rosteem) who evidently want the Grail device very badly. To prove the point, soon after Cocteau had finished filming, to Chaplin's and Torres's horror, they found the Girona Tower completely demolished and the gardens around it dug up, including a magnificent Royal Palm tree that had dominated the gardens and provided welcome shade. Torres knew it was Cocteau's Rosicrucians who had been behind it and exclaimed to Chaplin that they had acted "like a thief in the night". When I first read this, I immediately made a connection to what the C's had said about the Rosicrucians where the destruction of the Knights Templar was concerned.
​

Q: (L) I dug around about the Templars and have, more or less, come to the conclusion that they were just a smoke screen, and that something else was going on at the time that WAS important. I also think that they have been resurrected from time to time and dusted off and blamed for all this secret knowledge that is supposedly lost... am I on to something here?

A: Close.

Q: Who or what brought about the end of the Knights of the Temple?

​

A: Rosicrucians move as a "thief in the night."

Q: (L) But, as I understand it, the Rosicrucians did not come into being until after the end of the Templars...

A: No.

Q: (L) Do you mean that the information that came out, that pamphlet about "Christian Rosenkreutz," that is a purported fable, might be correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, goodness sake! The Rosicrucians advertise in magazines!!! Is this worldwide organization that promotes itself so blatantly...

A: Well, the "world-wide" order is not all inclusive.

Q: (L) Is there an inner circle of this order that is unknown?

A: Yes.

Was this identical reference to the Rosicrucians' activities by Torres (made in the 1950's) just a mere coincidence? If not, it seems to me that the Rosicrucians are still acting as "thieves in the night" in their pursuit of the Grail centuries later, if they were the group responsible for the destruction of the Tower of Girona, as seems most likely. And let us not forget that as the modern counterparts of the sinister Rosteem, they were active at Giza in Egypt thousands of years ago. Here we should also recall that the C's told Laura that there were two distinct factions in ancient times, the Grail faction and the Ark faction, the latter being connected to STS forces who were responsible for the construction of the ancient city of Baalbek (which takes its name from the Middle Eastern deity Baal - a front for the Lizards). My guess is that the Rosicrucians/Rosteem are linked to the Ark faction.

When you read Chaplin's book City of Secrets, where she first wrote about her teenage exploits in Girona, you learn how she discovers that Jose Torres was playing a game of cat and mouse with Cocteau, for Cocteau knew that Torres belonged to a secret society hiding what he thought was the Grail and wanted Torres to open up about it. In fairness, Torres and his group have never sought publicity and were not happy when Chaplin produced her book, as became readily apparent when she attended a press conference at Girona to publicise the book.

As to Rennes-le-Chateau being a smokescreen for something else (see Laura' comments below), Torres told Chaplin that people did not realise that the real secret of Rennes-le-Chateau lay in Girona and not at Rennes-le-Chateau. This brings us back to your earlier comments about portals and Chaplin's strange experiences on the peak of Mount Canigou at the end of her initiation:
​

Q: It seems to me that if what he was saying was true, that he certainly would not be allowed to say it. It's based on and converges with all the stories they are telling about Rennes-le-Chateau and seems to be more smokescreen. Anyway, Mike has questions. (M) You said that this place over Rennes-le-Chateau was a window. What is a window? (L) Now, I realize that we have all assumed that we know what a window is, but we have never really asked for a definition. Could you define for us a 'window?

A: Convergence; opening to alternative states via energy grid points.

Q: Are windows where you can pass back and forth? Moving between realms?

A: It is possible.

Q: How does a window differ from a 'portal?'

A: Window is open, portal is crafted.

Q: A window is naturally occurring portal?

A: Close.

Q: Does a window remain open all the time, or does it open and close for various reasons.

A: Closer to latter.

Q: What determines its opening and closing?

A: Frequency.

Q: Frequency of what?

A: Energy patterns.

Q: Frequency patterns of the area itself, or of people, or of people in interaction with the area?

A: Former.

The reference by the C's to energy grid points above may be relevant to what Chaplin's female guide told her during her pilgrimage of initiation, since her guide also referred to grid points (located on the 'Venus Magic Square' along the 'Way of the Bear' - the star constellation Ursus Major, which is reproduced on the ground - through geomancy - at certain key points, which Chaplin had to visit during her pilgrimage, as described in her book The Portal). These grid points were places of subtle energies that affect the consciousness of those who are able to tune in to them, thus producing altered states of consciousness. By the way, I believe that this pilgrimage of initiation (which Jose Torres had previously undertaken, as well as Salvador Dali and Abbe Sauniere) is a modern counterpart to the ancient Egyptian Pilgrimage of Initiation that I wrote about some while ago - the highest level of which was the Illuminati. It is curious then to note that the writer Andrew Collins has linked the worship of the constellation of the Great Bear in ancient Egypt to the female Egyptian Pharoah Sobekneferu, who in turn has been linked to the practice of the dark arts. It was not for nothing therefore that the horror writer Bram Stoker used her as a model for the evil Egyptian queen Tera who wants to reincarnate herself in modern times, as depicted in his novel The Jewel of the Seven Stars (see: The Jewel of Seven Stars - Wikipedia).

Whether Torres and Chaplin are under the influence of STS forces I cannot really say but I would suggest they are probably not. The same could not be said for Abbe Sauniere though.​

 

[yula]

When Patrice Chaplin first met Jose Torres she was just a young teenage girl who knew nothing about the Grail or any secret societies. She blundered into the secret and was way out of her depth. Shem met Jean Cocteau in Girona and he gave her a small part in the movie he was shooting there. However, even she could see he was really more interested in something else than the movie and that something else she would later discover was the Grail.

Chaplin would accidently catch Cocteau, dressed in the robes and headdress of a Rosicrucian high priest, conducting a secret ceremony in the tower that adjoined the French woman's house (she was in fact the secret mistress of Abbe Sauniere who would build a second tower at Rennes-le-Chateau based on the Girona Tower's design). At that time Chaplin knew nothing about the Rosicrucians. We should recall here that in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, the book which really put the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau on the map long before Dan Jones came along, the three British authors proposed that Jean Cocteau was the head of the secretive 'Priory of Sion' organisation. Although this organisation would prove to be a modern fabrication by conman Pierre Plantard, I believe that it masked a real secret society that is the inner circle of the Rosicrucians (the modern manifestation of the Rosteem) who evidently want the Grail device very badly. To prove the point, soon after Cocteau had finished filming, to Chaplin's and Torres's horror, they found the Girona Tower completely demolished and the gardens around it dug up, including a magnificent Royal Palm tree that had dominated the gardens and provided welcome shade. Torres knew it was Cocteau's Rosicrucians who had been behind it and exclaimed to Chaplin that they had acted "like a thief in the night". When I first read this, I immediately made a connection to what the C's had said about the Rosicrucians where the destruction of the Knights Templar was concerned.
​

Q: (L) I dug around about the Templars and have, more or less, come to the conclusion that they were just a smoke screen, and that something else was going on at the time that WAS important. I also think that they have been resurrected from time to time and dusted off and blamed for all this secret knowledge that is supposedly lost... am I on to something here?

A: Close.

Q: Who or what brought about the end of the Knights of the Temple?

​

A: Rosicrucians move as a "thief in the night."

Q: (L) But, as I understand it, the Rosicrucians did not come into being until after the end of the Templars...

A: No.

Q: (L) Do you mean that the information that came out, that pamphlet about "Christian Rosenkreutz," that is a purported fable, might be correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, goodness sake! The Rosicrucians advertise in magazines!!! Is this worldwide organization that promotes itself so blatantly...

A: Well, the "world-wide" order is not all inclusive.

Q: (L) Is there an inner circle of this order that is unknown?

A: Yes.

Was this identical reference to the Rosicrucians' activities by Torres (made in the 1950's) just a mere coincidence? If not, it seems to me that the Rosicrucians are still acting as "thieves in the night" in their pursuit of the Grail centuries later, if they were the group responsible for the destruction of the Tower of Girona, as seems most likely. And let us not forget that as the modern counterparts of the sinister Rosteem, they were active at Giza in Egypt thousands of years ago. Here we should also recall that the C's told Laura that there were two distinct factions in ancient times, the Grail faction and the Ark faction, the latter being connected to STS forces who were responsible for the construction of the ancient city of Baalbek (which takes its name from the Middle Eastern deity Baal - a front for the Lizards). My guess is that the Rosicrucians/Rosteem are linked to the Ark faction.

When you read Chaplin's book City of Secrets, where she first wrote about her teenage exploits in Girona, you learn how she discovers that Jose Torres was playing a game of cat and mouse with Cocteau, for Cocteau knew that Torres belonged to a secret society hiding what he thought was the Grail and wanted Torres to open up about it. In fairness, Torres and his group have never sought publicity and were not happy when Chaplin produced her book, as became readily apparent when she attended a press conference at Girona to publicise the book.

As to Rennes-le-Chateau being a smokescreen for something else (see Laura' comments below), Torres told Chaplin that people did not realise that the real secret of Rennes-le-Chateau lay in Girona and not at Rennes-le-Chateau. This brings us back to your earlier comments about portals and Chaplin's strange experiences on the peak of Mount Canigou at the end of her initiation:
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Q: It seems to me that if what he was saying was true, that he certainly would not be allowed to say it. It's based on and converges with all the stories they are telling about Rennes-le-Chateau and seems to be more smokescreen. Anyway, Mike has questions. (M) You said that this place over Rennes-le-Chateau was a window. What is a window? (L) Now, I realize that we have all assumed that we know what a window is, but we have never really asked for a definition. Could you define for us a 'window?

A: Convergence; opening to alternative states via energy grid points.

Q: Are windows where you can pass back and forth? Moving between realms?

A: It is possible.

Q: How does a window differ from a 'portal?'

A: Window is open, portal is crafted.

Q: A window is naturally occurring portal?

A: Close.

Q: Does a window remain open all the time, or does it open and close for various reasons.

A: Closer to latter.

Q: What determines its opening and closing?

A: Frequency.

Q: Frequency of what?

A: Energy patterns.

Q: Frequency patterns of the area itself, or of people, or of people in interaction with the area?

A: Former.

The reference by the C's to energy grid points above may be relevant to what Chaplin's female guide told her during her pilgrimage of initiation, since her guide also referred to grid points (located on the 'Venus Magic Square' along the 'Way of the Bear' - the star constellation Ursus Major, which is reproduced on the ground - through geomancy - at certain key points, which Chaplin had to visit during her pilgrimage, as described in her book The Portal). These grid points were places of subtle energies that affect the consciousness of those who are able to tune in to them, thus producing altered states of consciousness. By the way, I believe that this pilgrimage of initiation (which Jose Torres had previously undertaken, as well as Salvador Dali and Abbe Sauniere) is a modern counterpart to the ancient Egyptian Pilgrimage of Initiation that I wrote about some while ago - the highest level of which was the Illuminati. It is curious then to note that the writer Andrew Collins has linked the worship of the constellation of the Great Bear in ancient Egypt to the female Egyptian Pharoah Sobekneferu, who in turn has been linked to the practice of the dark arts. It was not for nothing therefore that the horror writer Bram Stoker used her as a model for the evil Egyptian queen Tera who wants to reincarnate herself in modern times, as depicted in his novel The Jewel of the Seven Stars (see: The Jewel of Seven Stars - Wikipedia).

Whether Torres and Chaplin are under the influence of STS forces I cannot really say but I would suggest they are probably not. The same could not be said for Abbe Sauniere though.​

This is getting much hotter than I thought so I will have to travel to France in these years to Renees Le Chateau as this needs to be stated openly.

I have had a dream some years ago in the countryside the curious thing about that countryside of that house is that if it exists physically it is a treasured place where I spent much of my childhood there I saw in dreams important symbols a portal where you saw a being similar to the red devil asmodeo of the church in Chateau ,it was also in another bedroom of the place where astralmente in dream an old woman gave me a wooden box that had a symbol of a flower when I opened it a voice presented it as the Grail I touched it with my finger and I saw a portal.

30 m from that place I saw a water well with a woman and the two of us entered and we connected in the water and she suggested me about an initiation.

Then I must go to France maybe if I could sleep near one of those places of power I could astral connect with the church of Renees Le Chateau to get some information about the place where astral in my dream an old woman gave me a wooden box.

 

[yula]

Well, people who like this topic, I think it's possible that in this thing called the search for the grail, the machine recovered by the good guys (from our perspective) is confused with the real grail (which may be something else).

If you're looking for the machine, I wonder why.

It's already been recovered by the good guys, right?

I have no interest in the machine or device to find it if you read the comments I made to MJF I have dreamt about it I opened the box I saw the blue stone full of energy and I touched it and the device spoke to me it appeared to me as "the Grail" because I heard it through telepathy in the dream. (Unless it is a STS hoax I don't know)

Besides as I said if I am able to travel to France I just need to go to stay in a place near Renees Le Chateau and rest and sleep since naturally I believe I will be able to get information since my frequency will be exposed with the frequency of the Grail.

And I could ask for 2 things the 1 to receive advice from sixth density STO to use that device on this planet or for another purpose but as long as it is with consciousness without interfering in people's free will...Many times I thought hell! I could take away the suffering of all beings back to a golden age on earth and bring all the STS forces to their knees...but it's better to get the sixth density SAO advice.

 

[yula]

MJF I saw almost all the videos that are on youtube of Patrice Chaplin about his book the portal and related topics Patrice apparently is already an old lady as well as Jose Tarres (I think he is no longer in force).

Putting it in these terms there is a faction of the Grail and another of the Ark of the alliance, it can be assumed that the Grail is STO and the Ark STS.

In the dream I had in that field a red portal was opened and inside I saw a being similar to the devil asmodeo that is at the entrance of the church but in another room I saw another being but this one was blue and then in another room the whole scene of the Grail the wooden box and the sapphire or blue luminous stone was presented.... Now I am trying to say that it seems that the Church of Renees Le Chateau in itself its symbolism could be real but in another dimension it seems to be that these figures inhabit and become real but there is one more mystery I was not so impressed with the sample of the Grail but with the woman with golden bangs The curious thing is that in that place in real life there is a bunch of fishing rods and also outside the adventure where I saw and touched the Grail there are grapes, many grapes because my father is dedicated to making wine and many times I helped him to collect grapes.

Do you think that the grapes have some meaning?

 

[yula]

Interview with Patrice Chaplin

Interviews_Chaplin

andrewgough.co.uk

 

[MJF]

MJF I saw almost all the videos that are on youtube of Patrice Chaplin about his book the portal and related topics Patrice apparently is already an old lady as well as Jose Tarres (I think he is no longer in force).

Putting it in these terms there is a faction of the Grail and another of the Ark of the alliance, it can be assumed that the Grail is STO and the Ark STS.

In the dream I had in that field a red portal was opened and inside I saw a being similar to the devil asmodeo that is at the entrance of the church but in another room I saw another being but this one was blue and then in another room the whole scene of the Grail the wooden box and the sapphire or blue luminous stone was presented.... Now I am trying to say that it seems that the Church of Renees Le Chateau in itself its symbolism could be real but in another dimension it seems to be that these figures inhabit and become real but there is one more mystery I was not so impressed with the sample of the Grail but with the woman with golden bangs The curious thing is that in that place in real life there is a bunch of fishing rods and also outside the adventure where I saw and touched the Grail there are grapes, many grapes because my father is dedicated to making wine and many times I helped him to collect grapes.

Do you think that the grapes have some meaning?

Yes, they are both very old now, Torres may even be dead. Chaplin is an interesting character who would go on to become a script writer in Hollywood and is also known to be a highly gifted psychic. When she first visited the church at Rennes-le-Chateau in the company of Jose Torres after the Frenchwoman had died, she had an awful experience, which stayed with her the rest of her life. Indeed, her female guide took her there to confront her fears when she was undertaking the pilgrimage of initiation. She had only been 16 when first visiting the church and knew absolutely nothing about Abbe Sauniere and the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau at the time. Whilst in the church she experienced a terrifying vision or apparition of a black cassocked figure with hate in his eyes lunging at her. She ran out of the church in a state with Jose and his friend in pursuit. She never revealed to them what she had seen but did to her female guide 50 years later. She assumed the priestly figure she saw, who seemed to her pure evil, was Sauniere. Hence, be warned, there may be bad vibrations there for people who are gifted psychics.

Yes, the C's confirmed that the Grail was created by STO forces and the Ark was created by STS forces.

As to the grapes, yes I do believe they have a significant meaning. The artist Nicolas Poussin was a very exacting painter. Thus, everything he depicted within his art had some meaning.

You should note that there was a reference to "blue apples" contained within one of the four old parchments that Abbe Sauniere supposedly found hidden within his church that lie at the heart of the mystery. When he had this particular parchment deciphered, it contained a number of peculiar references:

"Shepherdess no temptation that Poussin and Teniers hold the key pax 681 by the cross and this horse of God I complete this guardian demon at midday blue apples.”

The shepherdess refers to the female figure depicted in Poussin's painting of The Shepherds of Arcadia, which may be linked to an ancient female goddess such as Persephone, Demeter, Hathor, Isis, Inanna etc. The reference to the artist David Teniers is to his work the Temptation of St Anthony (the Desert Father and founder of monasticism) of which he did several versions. However, there is one version that does not show him being tempted by demons. The "Horse of God" may be a reference to the Roman deity Neptune (the Greek Poseidon) who was often linked to horses in mythology. It may also be a reference to the famous Horse of Troy, which became the means by which the Greeks infiltrated Troy and destroyed it. Curiously, it was the Arcadians who built the wooden Horse of Troy and it is my belief that the region of southern France where Rennes-le-Chateau is located was part of ancient Arcadia before the name migrated with settlers to the Peloponnese in what is now central Greece.

The term Noonday Demon (also known to be referred to as Noonday Devil, Demon of Noontide, Midday Demon) is used as a synonym and a personification of acedia, which stems from the Greek word "akēdeia", meaning to lack care. It indicates a demonic figure thought to be active at the noon hour which inclines its victims to restlessness, excitability, and inattention to duty. There may also be a link here to the demonic statue or figure displayed at the church at Rennes-le-Chateau, which most observers link to the demon Asmodeus. It also makes me think of the terrifying ghostly vision Patrice Chaplin experienced when she first visited the church.

You should also note that here that there is a particular variety of blue grape that is cultivated in the south of France which is so large the grapes are known locally as "blue apples". This may in turn be linked with the peculiar phenomenon of the blue apples of light that can be seen at the church in Rennes-le-Chateau during the month of January

Every year on January 17, pilgrims go to the Church of Saint Mary Magdalene in Rennes-le-Château to witness a mysterious light phenomenon known pommes bleues (blue apples). Around midday, the sun streams through the church’s stained glass windows, projecting numerous strange multicoloured orbs (see picture below) that are said to resemble apples onto the religious friezes inside.
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January 17 is particularly significant to the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau as it is the feast day of St. Anthony the Great (also called St. Anthony the Hermit), and also the day in 1917 when Saunière had his fatal stroke.

However, the C's also mentioned "blue apples" or grapes in the transcripts:
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Session 12 July 1997:

Q: Okay, in this relief painting done by Berenger Sauniere in the church at Rennes le Chateau, Mary Magdalene is depicted as gazing hopefully or reverently at a tree branch formed into a cross, stuck in the ground. What kind of tree is it?
A: The "tree of life."
Q: Well, I had a different idea... some people say it is an acacia tree. Are you saying it is not a genus, horticulturally?
A: Genus is family tree.
Q: And what family is it a family tree for?
A: Check your Magna for lesson.
Q: My magna? What in the world? Okay, "blue apples:" Stones or grapes?
A: Why not both?

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Session 16 August 1997:

Q: I noticed in Genesis Chapter 33, verse 11, it says that Jacob, who wrestled with the angel the previous night and was on his way to see his brother Esau, who he had tricked into giving up his blessing years before, “gave Esau the blessing”. What was this? The birthright from his father or the blessing Jacob received from the angel?

A: Trampled leaves of wrath.

Q: This is what Jacob gave to Esau?

A: Yes, and what is the "core" meaning there?

Q: I don't know. What is the core meaning?

A: Leaves are of the Tree of Apples, from whence we get the proverbial "grapes of wrath," the Blue Apples incarnate!

Q: Why are these leaves 'trampled?'

A: Removes chlorophyll.

Q: What is the significance of the chlorophyll?

A: When the chlorophyll dies, the autumnal equinox is at hand.

Q: Did this signify something about the autumnal equinox?

A: Discover what the significance is, my Dear!

Q: Why did Jacob then deceive his brother again? He was to travel and meet him in Edom, but then went in the other direction as soon as Esau was on his way.

A: Refer to last answer, and cross reference.

The C's later added to this in the session dated 2 February 2003:

Q: (L) One aspect of the variation on the story was that Jacob gave his brother, Esau, the 'blessing' and some 'gift.' Does this reflect an accurate part of the story that Moses, in his form as Jacob, passed something on to someone else’s - something that was important?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it Moses/Abraham who was doing this?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who did he pass it on to?

A: It was finally understood by "Moses" that the danger of the object was greater than the ability of descendants to resist corruption. He handed it over to those who had created it.

Q: (Galahad) Was it STS or STO forces that created it?

A: STS.

Q: (Galahad) So, the Ark was an object created by STS. Did this amount to some sort of realization on Moses' part? Did he start to wake up?

A: Yes. The story of the "contending with the angel" was the significant turning point as well as the moment of return.
Q: (L) What was the blessing he gave to quote Esau, if giving the object to the "angel" was the event of returning the ark? What was the story there?

A: Two separate events.

Q: (L) So, he returned the ark to the so-called angel. And then, he gave something to someone else. Previously, when I asked about this, you said that what he gave to Esau was "trampled leaves of wrath, the blue apples incarnate," and remarked that I should inquire into the "core meaning."

A: And who was "Kore?"

Q: (L) Was this Abraham's daughter?

A: It was the last living member of the Perseid family.

Q: (L) Was it a male or female?

A: Female.

Q: (L) And how did Abraham come to be in possession of this female?

A: Search the text and you will see.

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Q: (L) Going back to this person - the last living member of the Perseid family - who was handed over by Abraham in his Jacob persona to someone else, who was this person handed over to and why?

A: For protection from the fury of "Helen."

Q: (L) So, there is a reflection of that in the story of Hagar the Egyptian. Who was she handed over to?

A: The "Dragon Slayers."

You may be aware that I have argued that Kore is the Egyptian Princess Meritaten, who was the daughter of Pharoah Akhenaten and his wife Queen Nefertiti, who became Sarah the biblical wife of Abraham/Moses, with Meritaten becoming the biblical figure of Hagar the Egyptian servant woman to Sarah.

If Kore/Meritaten is linked to the "core meaning", the C's may be referring to a special DNA (genetics) that the Perseid family possessed. Recall here that the legendary founder of the Perseid line was the mythic figure of Perseus who slew the Gorgon Medusa, whose snake writhing head became his trophy, which he later used to save the life of Princess Andromeda. Many observers view the legend of Perseus as a Grail story, the Medusa's head being a symbol of the Grail (particularly if the Grail device the C's have spoken of is the pure crystal skull the Knights Templar found and called Baphomet - the baptism of wisdom). It would seem that at one time Akhenaten possessed both the Grail and the Ark (that would become the Israelites' Ark of the Covenant). This suggests that Princess Meritaten may have had, as a Temple priestess in her own right, a close link to the Grail, which continued even after Abraham/Moses took the Ark and the Grail with him, Sarah and Hagar into the desert. Indeed, could Meritaten have brought the Grail with her to the British Isles when she journeyed there in the company of the "Dragon Slayers" - the Tuatha de Danann? Could the Grail have been the real object of the Trojan War that the C's have recently suggested took place in 1100 BC in Britain, well after the age of Meritaten. If so, this might make for an interesting connection between the fabled talking head of Bran the Blessed (revered by the British Celts) and Baphomet, the pure crystal skull. Curiously, this time frame may put it in the same period approximately speaking as the biblical King David who slew the giant Goliath:
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Q: (L) These Nephilim, how tall were they again?

A: Up to 15 feet maximum.

Q: (L) Was Goliath, who was killed by David, one of the Nephilim?

A: Yes. In legend. Actual event depicted in story was earlier.

Q: (L) Was it actually David and Goliath?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he actually slay him with a stone from a slingshot?

A: Close.

Could King David, a Levite, have been a Jason like figure who came to Britain with a party equivalent to the mythical Argonauts in search of the Grail, perhaps during the Trojan War, in order to take it back to Israel/Canaan with him much as Perseus had taken the Medusa's head back with him? Afterall, Jason's quest for the Golden Fleece is in reality yet another Grail quest. It may be of interest to note here that in Kabbalistic circles, the demon Asmodeus was the offspring of King David and the queen of the demons, Agrat bat Mahlat. In Talmudic legends, it was Asmodeus who built the Temple of Solomon using magical powers. In some ways this may draw parallels with the story of Brutus the first King of Britain and a descendant of Trojan King Aeneas who had to battle giants (Gog and Magog) when he first arrived in Britain (reputedly in Cornwall).

If you want to read more on the link between Kore, the Grail and Blue Apples. I am attaching a copy of my earlier article on Abbe Sauniere in which I discuss the matter in connection with the peculiar decorations of his church at Rennes-le-Chateau.​