Aphrodite!!! she's back

EGVG said:
truth seeker said:
EGVG said:
truth seeker said:
While Pahalis and AWTF raise valid points, let's give EGVG a chance to listen to some classical music for a while and see if he can broaden his current views on music in general and women in particular.

Hi!! What do you mean "women in particular"?? :)
I was thinking that the women you sometimes post about and seem to be drawn to regarding the music industry seem very much like characatures - not real or down to earth. I wondered if you felt more interested in them because of some internal issue you have with women. I could be completely off on this but are there women you identify with that are not so made up? That seem more like everyday people?

Yeah, my Mom is a good example, but one in the public eye...I guess not! Your right, I like glammed up women, OOOH Laura! :) I identify with her,her caracter, her work it's amazing! And the love for her children! Loving and caring moms are what I most like and treasure about women, but on the other hand, I like women that live and sell a more material lifestyle to. But again let me stress that Kylie is more down to earth than her colleagues in the show business.

Do you know her ?

Also let me say that I'm not attracted to women in a sexual manner, like, at all. So to AWTF, mi imagination is filled with things that you don't know about, so to assume that because I'm used to listen to sexuality selling pop artists I have a sex full imagination, it's assuming too much, because it happens to be, NOT the case.

what is so great about her in your opinion ?

However, I do fantasize about finding a boyfriend or "the love of my life" (whatever that means), and YES I believe that listening to pop music & watchin TV has made me create in my mind a certain preconception of what love is, and I have to admit it's hard to let go of that fantasies, because they are firmly implanted in my jelly brain.

EDU

"it's hard to let go of that fantasies" yes it's hard for us all
but maybe you can start with this fantasy ?
 
Q: (L) Now, frivolous question number one: Do you guys like Pink Floyd?
A: "Like" is a bit off base.
Q: (L) What would be more 'on base?'
A: Absorb.
Q: (L) Do you absorb Pink Floyd?
A: We are Pink Floyd, and all other facets of your higher consciousness.

Popular music can be good in a yearning to go where no one has gone before kind of way (happy 80th to Kirk and Spock). Science fiction soundtracks are kind of in between popular and classical. That's about as close to classical as I get though I did like this version of Beethoven's 5th in my younger days :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQKFNrL-o0
 
Hi EGVG,

You may have been directed to this before, but it would be helpful for you to understand where other members are coming from if you were to read this thread starting with the link to Caricature of Love.

You have said you are attracted to flamboyant women (and personalities in general?), but have you really asked yourself why? What are they promoting or selling? Every entertainer is a salesman in the end. Is it something you really want to buy? The links to the sites that discuss the social programming embedded in entertainment industry are well worth the read too. Taking a break from the whole pop scene for a month as suggested would give you some distance to be able to ask yourself these questions. You may be surprised at the answers.

EGVG said:
However, I do fantasize about finding a boyfriend or "the love of my life" (whatever that means), and YES I believe that listening to pop music & watchin TV has made me create in my mind a certain preconception of what love is, and I have to admit it's hard to let go of that fantasies, because they are firmly implanted in my jelly brain.

EDU

Doesn't that bother you, even a little?
 
Pashalis I'm sorry but I don't completely understand your questions, could you please point out exactly what is you want me to answer.
 
EGVG said:
Pashalis I'm sorry but I don't completely understand your questions, could you please point out exactly what is you want me to answer.

Do you know her ?
( Kylie ) in response to this :
But again let me stress that Kylie is more down to earth than her colleagues in the show business.

what is so great about her in your opinion ?
( Kylie )

"it's hard to let go of that fantasies" yes it's hard for us all
but maybe you can start with this fantasy ?

you don't understand the last question ?
 
herondancer said:
Hi EGVG,

You may have been directed to this before, but it would be helpful for you to understand where other members are coming from if you were to read this thread starting with the link to Caricature of Love.

You have said you are attracted to flamboyant women (and personalities in general?), but have you really asked yourself why? What are they promoting or selling? Every entertainer is a salesman in the end. Is it something you really want to buy? The links to the sites that discuss the social programming embedded in entertainment industry are well worth the read too. Taking a break from the whole pop scene for a month as suggested would give you some distance to be able to ask yourself these questions. You may be surprised at the answers.

EGVG said:
However, I do fantasize about finding a boyfriend or "the love of my life" (whatever that means), and YES I believe that listening to pop music & watchin TV has made me create in my mind a certain preconception of what love is, and I have to admit it's hard to let go of that fantasies, because they are firmly implanted in my jelly brain.

EDU

Doesn't that bother you, even a little?

Hi! I understand where others are comming from, I have read that theread before, all I was defending was that I do think Kylie has a more artistic side to her work than others, that's all!!! And yeah I'm stoping with the pop music for a month, and I'll see and share what I've learned and realised in that period of time. Thanks for caring, I'll re read it, ;) and check the links to, I know pop music is pathological, to say the least, and it does bother me that my whole life has been a program downloading to my mind, I'm really working on getting rid of my programmings and false knowledge and preconceptions.
But I do have a question for you, why would you think it would not bother me?

I've said it on my reply to Anart that I would stop with the whole pop scene, but it's going to be hard, and I guess I got emotional when others started to say some truths and misconceptions about Kylie. I'm a little cranky beacuse I used to listen to POP everyday for years, and now I've cut it to zero in basically 12-15 minutes, the time that it took me to make the desicion to stop.

EDU

EDIT: I did not downloaded the book when you first gave me the link to this thread, I've just done it and I'll read it right away.
 
Pashalis said:
EGVG said:
Pashalis I'm sorry but I don't completely understand your questions, could you please point out exactly what is you want me to answer.

Do you know her ?
( Kylie ) in response to this :
But again let me stress that Kylie is more down to earth than her colleagues in the show business.

what is so great about her in your opinion ?
( Kylie )

"it's hard to let go of that fantasies" yes it's hard for us all
but maybe you can start with this fantasy ?

you don't understand the last question ?

Thanks Pashalis, no I don't personaly know Kylie, but I do know very well her public persona, and that's what I'm talking about.

What I think is so great about Kylie, is that she is always down to earth on interviews and always shares with her fans, from special fan editions to answering your tweets, to making sure she knows what we want from her. For example, on her forum (which I'm not a member) there's a post about what songs would the fans like to hear on her tours! I know it's all marketing, but I never say it wasn't.
I also think is great that she has many habilities, she can act, sing (my opinion), produce, write songs, compose music, and yet at the public eye you will always see her very compouse and humble.
Also I like that she takes reference from the world and diferent eras and turns it into pure pop fantasy, like she has done with Aphrodite, and in the pass with Art Deco, 60's, movies, etc...

And lastly, you refer to the fantasy of having a boyfriend???
 
Pashalis said:
EGVG said:
And lastly, you refer to the fantasy of having a boyfriend???

no. the fantasies about Kylie

That's what I'm doing by stoping to hear, watch and read her and other pop artists, so yeah.

I guess by fantasies about Kylie you mean my high regards for her as a public persona. Is that right?¿
 
EGVG said:
Pashalis said:
EGVG said:
And lastly, you refer to the fantasy of having a boyfriend???

no. the fantasies about Kylie

That's what I'm doing by stoping to hear, watch and read her and other pop artists, so yeah.

I guess by fantasies about Kylie you mean my high regards for her as a public persona. Is that right?¿

you seem to believe that her public persona is what she is .
but can you know who she really is ? (remember olso: psychopathical persons olso appear very nice and attractive , but are in reality rather different)
 
I like glammed up women, OOOH Laura! Smiley I identify with her,her caracter, her work it's amazing! And the love for her children! Loving and caring moms are what I most like and treasure about women, but on the other hand, I like women that live and sell a more material lifestyle to. But again let me stress that Kylie is more down to earth than her colleagues in the show business.

I remember reading in another post of yours that you don't like Gurdjieff (though you made it clear that you respect his work), maybe this could be a good chance to read some of the concepts of his work, especially Identification:

Ouspensky on Gurdjieff views on identification

Ouspensky - 'Identification' is so common a quality that for purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes.

"A man identifies with a small problem which confronts him and he completely forgets the great aims with which he began his work. He identifies with one thought and forgets other thoughts; he is identified with one feeling, with one mood, and forgets his own wider thoughts, emotions, and moods. In work on themselves people are so much identified with separate aims that they fail to see the wood for the trees. Two or three trees nearest to them represent for them the whole wood.

"'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him that he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention. In order to free himself from identifying a man must be constantly on guard and be merciless with himself, that is, he must not be afraid of seeing all the subtle and hidden forms which identifying takes.

"It is necessary to see and to study identifying to its very roots in oneself. The difficulty of struggling with identifying is still further increased by the fact that when people observe it in themselves they consider it a very good trait and call it 'enthusiasm,' 'zeal,' 'passion,' 'spontaneity,' 'inspiration,' and names of that kind, and they consider that only in a state of identifying can a man really produce good work, no matter in what sphere. In reality of course this is illusion. Man cannot do anything sensible when he is in a state of identifying. If people could see what the state of identifying means they would alter their opinion.

A man becomes a thing, a piece of flesh; he loses even the small semblance of a human being that he has. In the East where people smoke hashish and other drugs it often happens that a man becomes so identified with his pipe that he begins to consider he is a pipe himself. This is not a joke but a fact. He actually becomes a pipe. This is identifying. And for this, hashish or opium are entirely unnecessary. Look at people in shops, in theaters, in restaurants; 'Identification' is so common a quality that for purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes.

"A man identifies with a small problem which confronts him and he completely forgets the great aims with which he began his work. He identifies with one thought and forgets other thoughts; he is identified with one feeling, with one mood, and forgets his own wider thoughts, emotions, and moods. In work on themselves people are so much identified with separate aims that they fail to see the wood for the trees. Two or three trees nearest to them represent for them the whole wood.

"'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him that he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention. In order to free himself from identifying a man must be constantly on guard and be merciless with himself, that is, he must not be afraid of seeing all the subtle and hidden forms which identifying takes.

"It is necessary to see and to study identifying to its very roots in oneself. The difficulty of struggling with identifying is still further increased by the fact that when people observe it in themselves they consider it a very good trait and call it 'enthusiasm,' 'zeal,' 'passion,' 'spontaneity,' 'inspiration,' and names of that kind, and they consider that only in a state of identifying can a man really produce good work, no matter in what sphere. In reality of course this is illusion. Man cannot do anything sensible when he is in a state of identifying. If people could see what the state of identifying means they would alter their opinion.

A man becomes a thing, a piece of flesh; he loses even the small semblance of a human being that he has. In the East where people smoke hashish and other drugs it often happens that a man becomes so identified with his pipe that he begins to consider he is a pipe himself. This is not a joke but a fact. He actually becomes a pipe. This is identifying. And for this, hashish or opium are entirely unnecessary. Look at people in shops, in theaters, in restaurants; considering is wholly based upon 'requirements.'

A man inwardly 're-quires' that everyone should see what a remarkable man he is and that they should constantly give expression to their respect, esteem, and admiration for him, for his intellect, his beauty, his cleverness, his wit, his presence of mind, his originality, and all his other qualities. Requirements in their turn are based on a completely fantastic notion about themselves such as very often occurs with people of very modest appearance. Various writers, actors, musicians, artists, and politicians, for instance, are almost without exception sick people. And what are they suffering from? First of all from an extraordinary' opinion of themselves, then from requirements, and then from considering, that is, being ready and prepared beforehand to take offense at lack of understanding and lack of appreciation.

"There is still another form of considering which can take a great deal of energy from a man. This form starts with a man beginning to think that he is not considering another person enough, that this other person is offended with him for not considering him sufficiently. And he begins to think himself that perhaps he does not think enough about this other, does not pay him enough attention, does not give way to him enough. All this is simply weakness. People are afraid of one another. But this can lead very far. I have seen many such cases. In this way a man can finally lose his balance, if at any time he had any, and begin to perform entirely senseless actions. He gets angry with himself and feels that it is stupid, and he cannot stop, whereas in such cases the whole point is precisely 'not to consider.'

"It is the same case, only perhaps worse, when a man considers that in his opinion he 'ought' to do something when as a matter of fact he ought not to do so at all. 'Ought' and 'ought not' is also a difficult subject, that is, difficult to understand when a man really 'ought' and when he 'ought not.' This can be approached only from the point of view of 'aim.' When a man has an aim he 'ought' to do only what leads towards his aim and he 'ought not' to do anything that hinders him from going towards his aim.

"As I have already said, people very often think that if they begin to struggle with considering within themselves it will make them 'insincere' and they are afraid of this because they think that in this event they will be losing something, losing a part of themselves. In this case the same thing takes place as in attempts to struggle against the outward expression of unpleasant emotions. The sole difference is that in one case a man struggles with the outward expression of emotions and in the other case with an inner manifestation of perhaps the same emotions.

"This fear of losing sincerity is of course self-deception, one of those formulas of lying upon which human weaknesses are based. Man cannot help identifying and considering inwardly and he cannot help expressing his unpleasant emotions, simply because he is weak. Identifying, considering, the expressing of unpleasant emotions, are manifestations of his weakness, his impotence, his inability to control himself. But not wishing to acknowledge this weakness to himself, he calls it 'sincerity' or 'honesty' and he tells himself that he does not want to struggle against sincerity, whereas in fact he is unable to struggle against his weaknesses.

"Sincerity and honesty are in reality something quite different. What a man calls 'sincerity' in this case is in reality simply being unwilling to restrain himself. And deep down inside him a man is aware of this. But he lies to himself when he says that he does not want to lose sincerity.

"So far I have spoken of internal considering. It would be possible to bring forward many more examples. But you must do this yourselves, that is, you must seek these examples in your observations of yourselves and of others.

"The opposite of internal considering and what is in part a means of fighting against it is external considering. External considering is based upon an entirely different relationship towards people than internal considering. It is adaptation towards people, to their understanding, to their requirements. By considering externally a man does that which makes life easy for other people and for himself. External considering requires a knowledge of men, an understanding of their tastes, habits, and prejudices. At the same time external considering requires a great power over oneself, a great control over oneself.

Very often a man desires sincerely to express or somehow or other show to another man what he really thinks of him or feels about him. And if he is a weak man he will of course give way to this desire and afterwards justify himself and say that he did not want to lie, did not want to pretend, he wanted to be sincere. Then he convinces himself that it was the other man's fault. He really wanted to consider him, even to give way to him, not to quarrel, and so on. But the other man did not at all want to consider him so that nothing could be done with him.

It very often happens that a man begins with a blessing and ends with a curse. He begins by deciding not to consider and afterwards blames other people for not considering him. This is an example of how external considering passes into internal considering. But if a man really remembers himself he understands that another man is a machine just as he is himself. And then he will enter into his position, he will put himself in his place, and he will be really able to understand and feel what another man thinks and feels. If he can do this his work becomes easier for him. But if he approaches a man with his own requirements nothing except new internal considering can ever be obtained from it.

"Right external considering is very important in the work. It often happens that people who understand very well the necessity of external considering in life do not understand the necessity of external consider ing in the work; they decide that just because they are in the work they have the right not to consider. Whereas in reality, in the work, that is, for a man's own successful work, ten times more external considering is necessary than in life, because only external considering on his part shows his valuation of the work and his understanding of the work; and success in the work is always proportional to the valuation and understanding of it.

Remember that work cannot begin and cannot proceed on a level lower than that of the obyvatel,1 that is, on a level lower than ordinary life. This is a very important principle which, for some reason or other, is very easily forgotten. But we will speak about this separately afterwards."

Source - from Ouspensky Book "In Search of Miraculous"
 
Tykes said:
I like glammed up women, OOOH Laura! Smiley I identify with her,her caracter, her work it's amazing! And the love for her children! Loving and caring moms are what I most like and treasure about women, but on the other hand, I like women that live and sell a more material lifestyle to. But again let me stress that Kylie is more down to earth than her colleagues in the show business.

I remember reading in another post of yours that you don't like Gurdjieff (though you made it clear that you respect his work), maybe this could be a good chance to read some of the concepts of his work, especially Identification:

Ouspensky on Gurdjieff views on identification

Ouspensky - 'Identification' is so common a quality that for purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes.

"A man identifies with a small problem which confronts him and he completely forgets the great aims with which he began his work. He identifies with one thought and forgets other thoughts; he is identified with one feeling, with one mood, and forgets his own wider thoughts, emotions, and moods. In work on themselves people are so much identified with separate aims that they fail to see the wood for the trees. Two or three trees nearest to them represent for them the whole wood.

"'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him that he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention. In order to free himself from identifying a man must be constantly on guard and be merciless with himself, that is, he must not be afraid of seeing all the subtle and hidden forms which identifying takes.

"It is necessary to see and to study identifying to its very roots in oneself. The difficulty of struggling with identifying is still further increased by the fact that when people observe it in themselves they consider it a very good trait and call it 'enthusiasm,' 'zeal,' 'passion,' 'spontaneity,' 'inspiration,' and names of that kind, and they consider that only in a state of identifying can a man really produce good work, no matter in what sphere. In reality of course this is illusion. Man cannot do anything sensible when he is in a state of identifying. If people could see what the state of identifying means they would alter their opinion.

A man becomes a thing, a piece of flesh; he loses even the small semblance of a human being that he has. In the East where people smoke hashish and other drugs it often happens that a man becomes so identified with his pipe that he begins to consider he is a pipe himself. This is not a joke but a fact. He actually becomes a pipe. This is identifying. And for this, hashish or opium are entirely unnecessary. Look at people in shops, in theaters, in restaurants; 'Identification' is so common a quality that for purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes.

"A man identifies with a small problem which confronts him and he completely forgets the great aims with which he began his work. He identifies with one thought and forgets other thoughts; he is identified with one feeling, with one mood, and forgets his own wider thoughts, emotions, and moods. In work on themselves people are so much identified with separate aims that they fail to see the wood for the trees. Two or three trees nearest to them represent for them the whole wood.

"'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him that he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention. In order to free himself from identifying a man must be constantly on guard and be merciless with himself, that is, he must not be afraid of seeing all the subtle and hidden forms which identifying takes.

"It is necessary to see and to study identifying to its very roots in oneself. The difficulty of struggling with identifying is still further increased by the fact that when people observe it in themselves they consider it a very good trait and call it 'enthusiasm,' 'zeal,' 'passion,' 'spontaneity,' 'inspiration,' and names of that kind, and they consider that only in a state of identifying can a man really produce good work, no matter in what sphere. In reality of course this is illusion. Man cannot do anything sensible when he is in a state of identifying. If people could see what the state of identifying means they would alter their opinion.

A man becomes a thing, a piece of flesh; he loses even the small semblance of a human being that he has. In the East where people smoke hashish and other drugs it often happens that a man becomes so identified with his pipe that he begins to consider he is a pipe himself. This is not a joke but a fact. He actually becomes a pipe. This is identifying. And for this, hashish or opium are entirely unnecessary. Look at people in shops, in theaters, in restaurants; considering is wholly based upon 'requirements.'

A man inwardly 're-quires' that everyone should see what a remarkable man he is and that they should constantly give expression to their respect, esteem, and admiration for him, for his intellect, his beauty, his cleverness, his wit, his presence of mind, his originality, and all his other qualities. Requirements in their turn are based on a completely fantastic notion about themselves such as very often occurs with people of very modest appearance. Various writers, actors, musicians, artists, and politicians, for instance, are almost without exception sick people. And what are they suffering from? First of all from an extraordinary' opinion of themselves, then from requirements, and then from considering, that is, being ready and prepared beforehand to take offense at lack of understanding and lack of appreciation.

"There is still another form of considering which can take a great deal of energy from a man. This form starts with a man beginning to think that he is not considering another person enough, that this other person is offended with him for not considering him sufficiently. And he begins to think himself that perhaps he does not think enough about this other, does not pay him enough attention, does not give way to him enough. All this is simply weakness. People are afraid of one another. But this can lead very far. I have seen many such cases. In this way a man can finally lose his balance, if at any time he had any, and begin to perform entirely senseless actions. He gets angry with himself and feels that it is stupid, and he cannot stop, whereas in such cases the whole point is precisely 'not to consider.'

"It is the same case, only perhaps worse, when a man considers that in his opinion he 'ought' to do something when as a matter of fact he ought not to do so at all. 'Ought' and 'ought not' is also a difficult subject, that is, difficult to understand when a man really 'ought' and when he 'ought not.' This can be approached only from the point of view of 'aim.' When a man has an aim he 'ought' to do only what leads towards his aim and he 'ought not' to do anything that hinders him from going towards his aim.

"As I have already said, people very often think that if they begin to struggle with considering within themselves it will make them 'insincere' and they are afraid of this because they think that in this event they will be losing something, losing a part of themselves. In this case the same thing takes place as in attempts to struggle against the outward expression of unpleasant emotions. The sole difference is that in one case a man struggles with the outward expression of emotions and in the other case with an inner manifestation of perhaps the same emotions.

"This fear of losing sincerity is of course self-deception, one of those formulas of lying upon which human weaknesses are based. Man cannot help identifying and considering inwardly and he cannot help expressing his unpleasant emotions, simply because he is weak. Identifying, considering, the expressing of unpleasant emotions, are manifestations of his weakness, his impotence, his inability to control himself. But not wishing to acknowledge this weakness to himself, he calls it 'sincerity' or 'honesty' and he tells himself that he does not want to struggle against sincerity, whereas in fact he is unable to struggle against his weaknesses.

"Sincerity and honesty are in reality something quite different. What a man calls 'sincerity' in this case is in reality simply being unwilling to restrain himself. And deep down inside him a man is aware of this. But he lies to himself when he says that he does not want to lose sincerity.

"So far I have spoken of internal considering. It would be possible to bring forward many more examples. But you must do this yourselves, that is, you must seek these examples in your observations of yourselves and of others.

"The opposite of internal considering and what is in part a means of fighting against it is external considering. External considering is based upon an entirely different relationship towards people than internal considering. It is adaptation towards people, to their understanding, to their requirements. By considering externally a man does that which makes life easy for other people and for himself. External considering requires a knowledge of men, an understanding of their tastes, habits, and prejudices. At the same time external considering requires a great power over oneself, a great control over oneself.

Very often a man desires sincerely to express or somehow or other show to another man what he really thinks of him or feels about him. And if he is a weak man he will of course give way to this desire and afterwards justify himself and say that he did not want to lie, did not want to pretend, he wanted to be sincere. Then he convinces himself that it was the other man's fault. He really wanted to consider him, even to give way to him, not to quarrel, and so on. But the other man did not at all want to consider him so that nothing could be done with him.

It very often happens that a man begins with a blessing and ends with a curse. He begins by deciding not to consider and afterwards blames other people for not considering him. This is an example of how external considering passes into internal considering. But if a man really remembers himself he understands that another man is a machine just as he is himself. And then he will enter into his position, he will put himself in his place, and he will be really able to understand and feel what another man thinks and feels. If he can do this his work becomes easier for him. But if he approaches a man with his own requirements nothing except new internal considering can ever be obtained from it.

"Right external considering is very important in the work. It often happens that people who understand very well the necessity of external considering in life do not understand the necessity of external consider ing in the work; they decide that just because they are in the work they have the right not to consider. Whereas in reality, in the work, that is, for a man's own successful work, ten times more external considering is necessary than in life, because only external considering on his part shows his valuation of the work and his understanding of the work; and success in the work is always proportional to the valuation and understanding of it.

Remember that work cannot begin and cannot proceed on a level lower than that of the obyvatel,1 that is, on a level lower than ordinary life. This is a very important principle which, for some reason or other, is very easily forgotten. But we will speak about this separately afterwards."

Source - from Ouspensky Book "In Search of Miraculous"

I said that about Gurdjieff, because I was frustrated, and also that was some time ago right? I didn't understood his work then but know I do more, and I'm really enjoying some of the little pieces I find here in the forum. "In Search of Miraculous" is on my to read list :)

EDU
 
you seem to believe that her public persona is what she is .
but can you know who she really is ? (remember olso: psychopathical persons olso appear very nice and attractive , but are in reality rather different)

To be clear I don't think that her public persona is what she really is, is just a mask for making her music and products more salable. Is that a word??? LOL
 
EGVG said:
you seem to believe that her public persona is what she is .
but can you know who she really is ? (remember olso: psychopathical persons olso appear very nice and attractive , but are in reality rather different)

To be clear I don't think that her public persona is what she really is, is just a mask for making her music and products more salable. Is that a word??? LOL

Wouldn't the fact that her public persona is made up completely negate the idea that she is down to earth and somehow more "normal" than other pop stars? This makes her more like the Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera's of the world. Should it matter what kind of mask a person is making? A mask is still a mask, it's fake, not real, not down to earth. The exact opposite of what you think of her.
 
Heimdallr said:
EGVG said:
you seem to believe that her public persona is what she is .
but can you know who she really is ? (remember olso: psychopathical persons olso appear very nice and attractive , but are in reality rather different)

To be clear I don't think that her public persona is what she really is, is just a mask for making her music and products more salable. Is that a word??? LOL

Wouldn't the fact that her public persona is made up completely negate the idea that she is down to earth and somehow more "normal" than other pop stars? This makes her more like the Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera's of the world. Should it matter what kind of mask a person is making? A mask is still a mask, it's fake, not real, not down to earth. The exact opposite of what you think of her.
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