April Drop Dead Date

nicklebleu said:
the future is always open.

Wrong. Cs said in 2009 it is not open anymore. So either we believe in contact and information provided or should admit it is/contains some disinfo :shock:

Session June 20 said:
A: [...] We have repeatedly talked about the open nature of the future. It is always open until the probabilities begin to collapse, such as now. But macro-collapses take some "time".

Q: (L) So you're saying that there is a macro-collapse that has already begun?
A: Yes

I do not want to insult anybody. I just want get these things straight and understand what is truly happening in our world. It is overwhelmingly vague at this point :huh:
 
MrEightFive said:
nicklebleu said:
the future is always open.

Wrong. Cs said in 2009 it is not open anymore. So either we believe in contact and information provided or should admit it is/contains some disinfo :shock:

Session June 20 said:
A: [...] We have repeatedly talked about the open nature of the future. It is always open until the probabilities begin to collapse, such as now. But macro-collapses take some "time".

Q: (L) So you're saying that there is a macro-collapse that has already begun?
A: Yes

I do not want to insult anybody. I just want get these things straight and understand what is truly happening in our world. It is overwhelmingly vague at this point :huh:

The future is always 'open' in principle. But that doesn't mean that SOME things aren't pretty much slated to happen. For example, it's almost a certainty that I will take a puff of my cigarette right now, because I have placed it in my mouth and fully intend to take a drag. That's a tiny example, but it probably applies to higher levels too. Certain causal factors are always at play, making some things more likely than others. If the Cs are right, then certain causal factors have been at play making a certain outcome extremely probable. That doesn't mean that the future isn't 'open', just that a choice has been made (on some level) and a certain outcome is going to happen. (Not sure if that made sense...)
 
And don't forget "macro-collapses take some time." Previous example given was 9-11... all that it has led to globally. I would say the same may be true of the Boston bombing.

I'm not even advocating for this April being the April of ANY "April Drop Dead Date", however, this past April has been a doozie and I think that there is a LOT coming down the pike in response to this Boston thing. More than most people even can imagine.
 
Maybe it can help if we think of the Atlantean Karmic replay and the inevitability of certain things. For one the US is doomed to be destroyed and there is no real denial there if we look at the history of pathological regimes plus add in the karmic debt it has accrued over time. The ripple effects of this will be massive on the world and it depends on who you are if it's good or bad (good if you're ghandi bad if you're rockefeller as the C's put it). Next the comets are part of the cycle and that brings plagues and famines as well as the current mass deaths of various species of animals both land and marine. Our food supply could really be crippled right now from the weather and the PTBs aren't warning anyone. The economy is completely controlled so putting any faith in it is foolish (it is part of the BEAST system that will collapse) and we can see how the masses react to these situations ie anarchy and moral collapse. And with the bombings we see how willing people are for a police state.
 
If the future is open then it must also be closed. Since to be open is to have any possiblity.
I don't know if I'm making much sense, but I think the problem is the 3D thinking.
 
I would also say when it comes to the future being open it's based on our choices as well the variables in the equation. Our work has meaning and a unified aim is being pursued here and maybe in others on earth so a collapse of 4D sts control is possible as well. The wave is coming, people are slowly waking up, and knowledge is being gathered which effects how the comets will come into play based on information theory. So it's not the end of the world unless you're rockefeller and those who follow his examples aka materialism. For those like ghandi who see from a higher perspective (not 3D) it is a transition.
 
Anthony said:
If the future is open then it must also be closed. Since to be open is to have any possiblity.
I don't know if I'm making much sense, but I think the problem is the 3D thinking.

I think that it is true that for something to be open, it also has to be "closed" in some sense, it is about balance.
 
I think it's too soon to know if something happenned or not. IMHO, a seemingly unimportant event in our realm can be just a sign of something important happening in "theological" or symbolic terms. A seed takes time to germinate and only when we see the fruits we may possibly know what it was about in. The universe is conscious and "intelligent" so we never know what really happens behind the scene of our realm. All we can do is to observe, wait and see.
For me the more telling event this month was seeing people celebrate the sacrifice of two brothers. The PTB are quick to get people used to, or even supporting, more control. Maybe the change is more in the realm of human consciousness than it is in the physical manifestation, at least for now. Not saying that this event is related to the "April Drop Dead" date, but it might be part of an ensemble, especially if we take into account the economic meltdown on an unprecedented scale, which may reflect a depletion of cosmic fluxes at some symbolical level. OSIT.
 
bngenoh said:
Anthony said:
If the future is open then it must also be closed. Since to be open is to have any possiblity.
I don't know if I'm making much sense, but I think the problem is the 3D thinking.

I think that it is true that for something to be open, it also has to be "closed" in some sense, it is about balance.

I think it depends on what you mean by 'closed', but I agree. Causality seems to be a mutual working of efficient causation and final causation, or determinism and free will. Efficient causation determines what options are available, and final causation chooses between the available options in terms of a goal or purpose. So, even though some options are always closed off by the causation acting on me in any given moment (e.g., I can't play a Chopin piece on the piano because I don't have the prior training and current ability), I can still make certain choices that will affect my future (e.g., taking piano lessons).
 
Approaching Infinity said:
I think it depends on what you mean by 'closed', but I agree. Causality seems to be a mutual working of efficient causation and final causation, or determinism and free will. Efficient causation determines what options are available, and final causation chooses between the available options in terms of a goal or purpose. So, even though some options are always closed off by the causation acting on me in any given moment (e.g., I can't play a Chopin piece on the piano because I don't have the prior training and current ability), I can still make certain choices that will affect my future (e.g., taking piano lessons).
That's a great simple metaphor for a topic that's often hard to wrap your mind around.
 
The future is not open in some aspects. 4D STS will fail due to wishful thinking.
 
mkrnhr said:
I think it's too soon to know if something happenned or not. IMHO, a seemingly unimportant event in our realm can be just a sign of something important happening in "theological" or symbolic terms. A seed takes time to germinate and only when we see the fruits we may possibly know what it was about in. The universe is conscious and "intelligent" so we never know what really happens behind the scene of our realm. All we can do is to observe, wait and see.
For me the more telling event this month was seeing people celebrate the sacrifice of two brothers. The PTB are quick to get people used to, or even supporting, more control. Maybe the change is more in the realm of human consciousness than it is in the physical manifestation, at least for now.Not saying that this event is related to the "April Drop Dead" date, but it might be part of an ensemble, especially if we take into account the economic meltdown on an unprecedented scale, which may reflect a depletion of cosmic fluxes at some symbolical level. OSIT.

Interesting how you have put this. As the C's discuss about many things, they are often on multiple levels of influence, which is difficult to see from our perspective in this realm. Indeed, "all we can do is observe, wait and see", and do the best we can at working on the self and helping others where we can.
 
No matter how close I follow the events, it is still jaw-dropping to see these videos:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUHDJlAF-w&feature=player_embedded

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSmIO9wXiI&list=UU6Ck6N7gRst7qwkXdapbLaQ%3Fwmode%3Dopaque&feature=player_embedded

It is fidockave213 geological upheaval's compilation for the month of April 2013, which was delivered in two parts. There is simply too much of it! The amazing thing is that it is still only the tip of the iceberg!
 
mkrnhr said:
I think it's too soon to know if something happenned or not. IMHO, a seemingly unimportant event in our realm can be just a sign of something important happening in "theological" or symbolic terms. A seed takes time to germinate and only when we see the fruits we may possibly know what it was about in. The universe is conscious and "intelligent" so we never know what really happens behind the scene of our realm. All we can do is to observe, wait and see.
For me the more telling event this month was seeing people celebrate the sacrifice of two brothers. The PTB are quick to get people used to, or even supporting, more control. Maybe the change is more in the realm of human consciousness than it is in the physical manifestation, at least for now. Not saying that this event is related to the "April Drop Dead" date, but it might be part of an ensemble, especially if we take into account the economic meltdown on an unprecedented scale, which may reflect a depletion of cosmic fluxes at some symbolical level. OSIT.

I agree. A 'doozie' of some description could have already manifested here, in a guise which is not yet apparent. It is quite difficult, for me at least, to 'expect the unexpected' and to 'not anticipate' as the Cs put it. So to "observe, wait and see" seems the way to go. We can all interprete symbolism differently, it seems to be multi-layed so as to reflect ones level of understanding.

Towards the end of April, when I observed myself 'expecting' a big event, I noticed that the trial had began in England of Mark Bridger, who is accused of the kidnap and murder of a 5 year old girl, April Jones, whose body has yet to be found. Apart from obvious devastation that her family must be going through, it made me realise how much child sexual abuse is currently being investigated now. Another high profile case here concerns Stuart Hall , a well known media personality, recently convicted of sexually abusing children (He was recently warded an OBE (order of the British Empire medal!). Although these scumbag predators are well known and connected, they are probably not as high up the hierachy as others. Another investigation is starting concerning abuse in Welsh childrens homes. My point is, the predators at the BBC, seemingly 'untouchable,' may have thought they were safe from prosecution, and for many years they were but - STS wishful thinking will get you every time! There seems a noticable shift under way, more brave women speaking out, here and India and elsewhere.

Just as the 'victims' who come out and choose to accept / reconcile their past (recapitulation) and the predators (when apprehended) are forced to face the consequences of their actions (karma) - is this perhaps 'symbolic' of the intensification of the approaching or present Wave. There seems to be a cumulative effect occuring as all types of abuse/pathocracy is exposed to the Light of Truth.

Regarding prognostications and symbolism, the Cs session dated 26th Non. 1994 is particularly interesting IMHO.
 
For me the more telling event this month was seeing people celebrate the sacrifice of two brothers. The PTB are quick to get people used to, or even supporting, more control. Maybe the change is more in the realm of human consciousness than it is in the physical manifestation, at least for now.


I agree. A 'doozie' of some description could have already manifested here, in a guise which is not yet apparent.




This all makes perfect sense.
Seems to, that most of it is being directed at, or vaguely referencing freedom, or freedom fighters, in some symbolic way.
Patriots day, the spectators, or people on the "fence" getting blasted..the new World Trade Building in NY city, being exactly 1776 feet tall, etc etc.
People accepting the police state, others not.

Native people still thinking they can win anything while using the same legal "system" designed to defeat them.
It`s as if people are trying very hard to wake up and move away from the system, yet continue using the same system, only to get further beat down..which only makes ya wonder, why don`t they get that part?
There is still almost total mind control in action here and it seems to be getting obviously worst, not better.
Time to move..seriously.
 

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