"As above, so below" - and manifestations of the Wave

[nortkee]

It's very interesting to me to see that folks participating in this thread have had similarly-timed life challenges. Because me, too -- and it felt like it came out of nowhere!

Things are settling for us, but I'm still in a bit of a haze because of it. But reading this thread reminds me that my experiences aren't altogether unique, and that's a nice thing to know.

To answer the original question posed (even though there's more than one question, but I don't have enough time to go point by point at the moment, alas!), on the whole, I feel as ready as I'll ever be for the shimmering, amorphous blob that is the 4D future. Which is to say, since I don't know exactly what the wave brings, I've cobbled together some kind of vessel that I think might be able to weather it.

It's a work in progress, but it's a start?

 

[SlipNet]

I feel as ready as I'll ever be for the shimmering, amorphous blob that is the 4D future. Which is to say, since I don't know exactly what the wave brings, I've cobbled together some kind of vessel that I think might be able to weather it.

It's a work in progress, but it's a start?

Yeah, we're each and all of us struggling up the staircase of esoteric life, each with our own FRVs and levels of knowledge & being. As a youngster I was very linear and black/white in my thinking, but now in my middle age life I have a more measured and subtle understanding of the 3d STS contemporary existence. Before, UFOs and the consortium, and 4d STS were just ideas I played about with in my mind. But, since then I've seen a UFO, seen fireballs on 3 occasions, and had 4d STS nightmares/attacks in my sleep. I'm much wiser and stronger for having come up against these experiences, but I remain cautiously optimistic about how we as a collective will fare in the future. It just feels like something has slotted into place in the last week. I slipped up, made a number of miss-steps, but regained myself a better mind for the experience.

Suffering causes dna switch-ons, and maybe embarrassment and a humbling produces a similar effect? It wouldn't surprise me if it were true....

At least as a wider network, we, each of us will have someone ahead of us on the staircase who has "been there" when they see us flounder? Such moments can strengthen the network too. They'll be on hand to provide practical advice if and when it is asked for. And of course that means they'll know well what is being asked for? It's an ongoing, never-ending process of becoming, without a final result. How one understands the process will thus define the FRV of us each as individuals. So there'll always be things to do, tasks, responsibilities. And the lessons therein will never end....

Sometimes I feel overwhelmed by the immensity of the world and all its facets, woes and chaos. But then I take a step back, and try and see the world with a wide lens; attempting to take in as much as I can handle. With time comes age. With age comes experience. With experience comes understanding. With understanding comes conduct. At least that's how it seems to me. I think it's the eternal process that drives things ever onwards.

 

[Joe]

1 If The Wave hit in a full 4d manifestation tomorrow, would you be able to say in full confidence that you are ready? How ready do you need to be? Am I stressing over an imponderable?

I don't think the wave is going to "hit" in that way. As the Cs have said repeatedly, the wave is a process and is ongoing, and maybe have peaks of intensity.

2 Are there particular aspects of Knowledge & Being that you think are essential for smooth progress in The Work? Personally, I am okay intellectually, but I am under-developed emotionally. It is here that I place my focus these days.

Each person has a role to play that they will naturally play based on their nature, no forcing needed. Basically, I think the singular and essential purpose of everything in existence is to serve as a vehicle for one type of energy/information or another. And I mean everything and everyone, 6D included. The extent to which you are blocking or resisting your role in that respect is the extent to which you suffer. If you want "smooth progress", then focus on what you are resisting.

3 Are you prepared to leave anything/anyone behind, if this big Wave proves to be the case in or world? Not to say you want to, but it may prove to be an inevitable part of the process...I know. This question is a little naive, but it's coming from a genuine place.

I think the choice will be obvious if/when it comes.

4 Has anyone considered that, upon manifestation of a 4d realm, we may have to deal with 4d STS opposition to our mode of being right away? Yes, when that time comes we'll have to choose. Easy in principle, but it may prove to be trickier in reality? Am I off base with this prediction? Or am I just "thinking ahead"?

Our mode of being in 4D will be STS, with some inclination to STO, which we will presumably explore further. We've been dealing (particularly over the past 25 years) with STS opposition to our mode of being. So I reckon we'll be familiar with it. All the more reason to get to know it as best we can here.

5 I may be missing the pertinent thread so apologies if this has been covered. Has anyone thoroughly explored how our 3d STS society will be affected by Consortium control and 4d chaotic happenings in the years to come? We've been warned of the birth pangs of a new world, and it's clear that we're right in the thick of it now. However, it will surely get worse and more intense in the months and years to come. I've been musing on moving to South America following the deaths of my parents but not before. This could be a good 10 years way so it's not a current concern. Ultimately I want to live closer to the equator and not be buried under sheets of UK ice.

No sheets of UK ice for a LOOOONG time. A particularly cold winter or two, in the next few years? Probably. You remember the comment about it not being about where you are but who you are and what you see, right? Sufficient knowledge and awareness will allow you to navigate problems wherever you are, and there will likely be large problems everywhere, so thinking some place on the planet is "safe" is not the right approach IMO. The real question is is whether or not you are "safe" in the sense of having enough awareness to keep yourself safe regardless of where you are.

6 Realising that point 5 is highly moot, and no-one can say with any confidence that any particular country is optimal, and we don't know which areas will suffer the most and in which particular way, how prepared should we be for the future chaos? I have about 3 months of food supply. Should I add more, or is it not worth it if I plan on moving anyway?

3 months sounds good to me.

 

[Joe]

I feel as ready as I'll ever be for the shimmering, amorphous blob that is the 4D future

You might find that that "shimmering, amorphous blob" looks a lot like your current environment.

 

[nortkee]

You might find that that "shimmering, amorphous blob" looks a lot like your current environment.

I think you're right. It feels more like a recognition -- a deep knowing -- than it does a place. I feel like I hit little pockets of it every once in a while as I move through the world (or as the world moves through me). Often, it comes at the turn of some sort of cycle my pattern-seeking brain has identified. It's ephemeral and ever-present at once.

Or something like that!

 

[Harr077]

Thanks for the thread Slip…
It seems a few of us have had some sort of week .
I hate it when we inadvertently feed those darn Lizzie’s!
“Just being”. In this crazy world is very tough and I thank you for sharing your thoughts here and reminding me that “All is lessons” which leads to, all lessons are knowledge and knowledge is Light which is love.
Finding a way to unconditionally loving “All” is our greatest hurdle to overcoming STS think and the 3D we have placed ourselves in.
Another thought: we began our journeys here in 3D as mineral, as a rock, a mountain and here we are today after some journey.
I wonder Starting in 4D (a possible transition of 1000 years) has us at the bottom rung of the thought/ energy realm to come.
Will we have Masters to guide us? I don’t remember any other rocks talking to me when I got to earth 300k years ago.
Have fun they say…

 

[SlipNet]

It seems a few of us have had some sort of week .
I hate it when we inadvertently feed those darn Lizzie’s!

Yeah, a funny week where more than a couple of us have had our cages rattled, no harm done though. It reminds me of Gurdjieff's metaphor of the jar with iron filings. Sometimes life provides you with a little shock to the system, which jerks and jolts all of those iron filings around. Eventually it all becomes calm again, but different. I suppose not every part of the whole immediately returns to its constituent place. But, yes, increasingly now I'm getting older I see that each and every interaction or event in life is an opportunity to learn something new about the world and/or yourself. Makes me think back to an old Cs session where they stated that "the programming is complete". I mention this because I've noticed a few emotional patterns within myself lately which have given me pause for thought. Stuff that used to hide behind weed and beer in my case. Without those emotional crutches, a few parts of me have become a little cranky these last few weeks. But I enjoy my sleep more as a result. It's easier to recall dreams too. Just because the programming is complete doesn't mean the lessons are over is what I'm thinking. I got a little complacent, and needed a jolt to get me thinking again.

I'm happy that something fairly innocuous has led to boosting an old thread. It's good for the soul every now and then to fall over, just so you can see how you deal with picking yourself back up again. And it prompted my questions, as I was feeling a little angsty last week, worrying about myself and the future. As always, it's good to air these things out and I feel reassured that most of my concerns were just paper monsters at the end of the day. I am glad I have all the tinned food in the house though!

I jotted down an old memory about iron filings the other day. I recalled, as a 6 year old, buying a little magnetic toy in Solva in west Wales, would have been 1981 I guess. It was a plastic case, housing an illustration of a clean shaven man. At the bottom of the case was a pile of iron filings, and with the case was a magnetic pencil. The fun was in moving the iron filings onto the man's face, creating all sorts of unconventional beard shapes. I had a lot of fun with that toy, I thought it was ingenious at the time. My elder brother bought one too, and we just had a laugh making ridiculous beards and Mohican punk haircuts on these devices, all while learning a little about metals and magnetism! So, anyway, I've got previous with this whole "iron filings" stuff. I love it when silly old memories return to the mind though, it reassures me that my soul is still keeping me busy.

 

[Beyrutkapı]

All this madness, disproportion, lawlessness we're going through... In short, all this imbalance... How all the countries in NATO have become such puppets. Politicians' complacency. The increasing violence that has become part of the new normal. The concept of the state, which is crumbling more and more each day. What I often think of is how everyone has more and more of what they have. It's as if reality is being dismantled, disintegrating, piece by piece, before our very eyes.

 

[Adobe]

We will be 4D-STS:

Iv been thinking about that lately (we will next be 4D-STS) so the idea that 4D-STS is "bad" becomes a bit more illusive. In 4D we will be developing better mental powers and have less physical constraints but for a time, perhaps a long time, we will be STS and maybe the idea of STO may have to come back to us, at first as an idea, a remembrance, as it did here in 3-D. Its been said that true STO is a balance of both STS & STO, so we best hang on to the STS lessons that we are learning. We may need to lean on those STS abilities to make it through the first couple of rounds of 4-D.

A thousand years:

Remember "time" doesn't really exist. Time lines shift, things go woonky and so forth. So what does a thousand years really mean? My thoughts are when 6D is talking to 3D it says things like "as 3D perceives it" X amount of years, or something like that. IMO a thousand years says to a 3D-er: forget about it, its so long and will take several life times and in and out of 5D and all that. So just get about the work/fun and it will come when it comes. A 3D-er cant really handle what that thousand year may be so, get to work and have fun. It will be done when it's done. I.e. a thousand years given as a mind set.

Who I'm I, and what do I see:

First you get the knowledge—then you have to figure out what it means. So I struggle with that statement. What I'm thinking at this time is: I am the DCM, and what I see is balancing of a degraded situation. The DCM as a seed struggling up through the soil to the light, is still fulling the DCM. I'm conscious and I'm as much the DCM as the table in front of me. Each of us with our own limitations. Although I'm aware of my limitations, it also gives me confidence that I have purpose and belong here. And the chaotic mess I see has meaning and lessons. So I'm fine.

The Kingdom of "WE" The returning:

1-D We are we. Always together, no individuality, always think as one. Life, death, action, inaction all is joy, pure joy. As I remember it.

2-D We are separated: Us & them. We are dogs. They are cats. We do and act like this, and they like that. We have purpose as do all other we's. We chase them for fun and food, and others chase us for fun and food.

3D Separation. No more we. What do "I" do? I have to find myself and do something. All are individuals and programed STS but not all of the same mind...chaotic. Valley of the shadow of death.

4-D I don't know.

5-D I don't know.

6-D We coming back together. Soul-groups. Fear and chaos dissipating or is gone. Joy of togetherness returns.

7-D WE together again! Joy in everything. Wasn't that fun. Want to do it again. (?) (From this perspective it seem pointless to hurry.)

Thanks to all posters here.

 

[axj]

Our mode of being in 4D will be STS, with some inclination to STO, which we will presumably explore further.

We will be 4D-STS

There is this exchange with Ra (Law of One) that seems to contradict this:

17.31 Questioner: In the book Oahspe it states that if an individual is more than fifty percent for others— that is, goes over the 50% service to others, and is less than fifty percent for service to self, then he is harvestable. Is this a correct statement?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.

17.32 Questioner: What must be the entity’s percentage, shall we say, if he is to be harvested for the negative?

Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

I think this idea that the 4D graduation requires more than 50% STO orientation or 95% STS orientation has not been confirmed by the C's though.

 

[thorbiorn]

Divine will manifests through humanity. Giving rise to many manifestations of your reality - As above, so below.
Session 4 April 2015

Below are a few more that are related, even if it is not always simple and clearcut.

We once pointed out that mass human behavior was a reflection of cosmic conditions. - Note the human environment and try to imagine what it represents above!!!
Session 18 May 2019

A: We once pointed out that mass human behavior was a reflection of cosmic conditions. Now is the time when all must be extra vigilant. We also pointed out that STS forces are fully aware of prophetic patterns and will change and twist in order to discourage and put those to sleep who are slack in vigilance. Note the human environment and try to imagine what it represents above!!!

When mass human behavior is a reflection of cosmic conditions, then the distinction of what is isolated and confined from what is global and connected is less clear. If for instance an event happens to one person, but this event influences a mass of people, is it possible to declare with certainty there is no reflection of cosmic conditions? Below are excerpts from two sessions that contain passages that could be relevant.

Is the West behind this re-invasion of Iraq? - Indeed. [...] This situation signals great danger because it reflects the cosmic situation.
Session 14 June 2014

(L) Alright, so... Okay, this is June 14th, 2014. (Possibility of Being) Che Guevara's birthday. (L) Che Guevara's birthday! Oh!! Long live Che! Oh, well, sorry he's dead. Anyhow, June 14th, 2014. So it's 14-6-14. That's a 5-6-5, which is a 7. (Andromeda) Very good number.

[Review of those present]

We don't know if... I dunno, I may be too tired. I just want ya'll to know that these guys have destroyed my bedroom, taken down the wall, and I'm sleeping in the spare room with all my stuff piled up around me. It's like sleeping in a cave. I have not been able to sleep for five days!

(Pierre) Uh...

(L) I'm NOT in a good mood! [laughter]

(Pierre) We should ask the C's about that...

(L) When is my bedroom going to be finished? [laughter]

(Perceval) Wait and see.

(L) There is no time! Okay. Hello? Is anybody out there? Jesus Christ, what a world we live in...

A: Not Jesus Christ, only Korilla of Cassiopaea. However, we understand the sentiment! Things are rather chaotic in some places, yes? Just wait! Much more to come!

Q: (L) Well. That tunes in to my initial question. We've got Ukraine going to hell in a hand basket. Now all of a sudden, out of the blue seemingly, Iraq is being "re-invaded" and there have been suggestions that this is all being done by forces that have been armed by the US and/or NATO. Is that in fact the case? Is the West behind this re-invasion of Iraq?

A: Indeed. However, as has happened before, the "Allies" are strange bedfellows and the alliance will not last. This situation signals great danger because it reflects the cosmic situation. Many of those in "power" do not realize how controlled they actually are nor why.

Q: (L) Okay, so let's ask the obvious question: Why are they controlled and being driven to act in these warmongering ways?

A: Cosmic justice is coming.

Q: (L) Alright then. Um...

A: They feel it like the hound of hell.

[Pause for fixing mic problems on the remote end since they were talking, but we couldn't hear anything]

(L) Okay, where were we?

(Chu) The Hound of Hell...

A: As the changes approach, they feel the pressure but do not understand what it is. They only feel an insatiable hunger and fear that they will be left with nothing. Thus the drive to grab and destroy.

Q: (Pierre) So there's a kind of feedback loop. Those leaders feel the earth changes growing, so they become even more destructive, which in turn increases the cosmic reaction.

(Perceval) I would assume they would project that fear onto the population, and then crack down on them. Then the population responds, and that just increases their fear, and increases the cracking down.

(L) All I can say is that right now, it just really, really looks ugly and desperate and dangerous. And all of that is happening while the freaking planet is going nuts weather-wise, earthquake-wise, volcano-wise...

While the above was about the house changes, the political and cosmic situation, the continuation discusses incidents related to the earth environment. First there is a shark that behaved unusual, then the subject moves to disappearing planes caused by hyperdimensional or 4D bleedthrough glitches which at some point are described as EM phenomena.

(Perceval) Shark-wise! It's going nuts!

(L) Leave the shark out of it! We solved the shark problem.

(Perceval) We did?

(L) Read the article. The shark problem got solved.

(Perceval) I don't believe that article.

(L) So, that's that. Where were my articles? Okay... Well, I'm going to ask it anyway. I can't resist. This article says that a 3-meter shark that was tagged, um... Well anyhow, the tags on this 3-meter shark showed up on the beach, and apparently it gave evidence of having been in a stomach. They say that ... "...the temperature recorded during those 3 weeks was consistent with the core body temperature of a white shark, but was too low for something like a killer whale." And they said at one point, the tag dived to a depth of 570 meters. They say this is not unusual for white sharks - it's normal behavior. This dive took place about one week prior to the tag recording the higher temperatures for a 3-week period, not immediately before as some have reported. The two events are not related - that's what they say.

(Perceval) What ate the tag?

A: The story is fairly correct with but one small issue: Why did the shark dive so deep? Another issue is: What else is going on down there? Getting rather warm in places, yes?

Q: (L) Alright, so that's what happened to the shark. Okay, so I'll bite. No pun intended.

(Perceval) The shark had to dive because undersea volcanoes were heating the upper layers of water, so the sharks had to go down further because they like a certain temperature of water.

(L) Is that kind of correct? Was there something...

A: Very close!

Q: (L) Okay. So, in other words, the upper level water was too warm. Suddenly, the shark was in a "hot spot", and he was getting the hell out of the plume of something and he had to dive deep to get cool. Is that kind of it?

A: Close

Q: (L) Alright, well, that's good enough.

(Perceval) I know what happened. An underwater volcano killed the shark with the tag. Then another one ate it and went, "Geez it's really warm in here. I'm getting out of here!" And he went down deeper. Or it was cooked. The shark was cooked!

A: No.

Q: [laughter] (L) Give up, Perceval! Enough about the shark already. I want to know about... There was this incident. It says, "Electronic military exercises were to blame for the mysterious disappearance of DOZENS of planes from air traffic control screens in the heart of Europe, Slovak authorities have said." So this means that Slovakia, that little bitty country that just recently entered the EU, if I remember correctly, somehow was empowered to knock out the air traffic control communication devices...

(Perceval) No, they said it was NATO.

(L) No, no, just let me finish. Slovakia knew about it and was involved in it, but no other country in Europe knew about it apparently? Because this happened to Austria, Germany, Czech Republic, and Slovakia between June 5th and June 10th. So that's for freakin' five days! And after one day or two days of something like this happening, you'd think that somebody higher up would have been notified and that they'd understand what was going on. But apparently, it went on for another five whole days. That strikes me as extremely suspicious. Slovakia blamed the outages on planned military exercises, and they're saying that these planned military exercises, which apparently none of these other countries knew about - because you'd think Germany would make some kind of announcement... So the whole thing was very suspicious. So, right after the problem with the radars was detected, and that would have been on June 5th, the organizing party was made aware and the exercises were stopped. But it just said that it went on for five days!

(Perceval) Over a period of five days in a few different countries, and at different times planes "disappeared" for a few seconds.

(L) Well, I know that.

(Perceval) It was NATO exercises, probably. And they don't want to talk about it.

(L) And it says the first disappearance problems coincided with NATO conducting electronic warfare exercises in Hungary. And they reported that on June 7th. During the exercises, NATO was reportedly using devices that can interfere with enemy radar according to the Telegraph. German air traffic control stated they were trying to identify the cause of the outages... So there's a little bit of confusion with these stories here, and I'm wondering is this actually what was going on? That NATO was conducting planned military exercises, whose goal was the interruption of radio communication frequencies? Is that actually what they were doing?

A: No, not even close!

Q: (Pierre) Was it some density glitch?

(L) Were these hyperdimensional or 4D bleedthrough glitches?

A: Yes. Just like Flight 370.

Q: (Pierre) So, was it like for Flight 370, was it a not-so-subtle message to the PTB?

A: Not a message, but a "sign." Notice how quickly the Iraq problem exploded.

Q: (Pierre) So MH370 was a sign related to the third world war, like these radar glitches were signs of this Iraq invasion?

(L) I don't think you have to bring 370 into it, because they're not saying 370 was a sign. They're saying that these glitches were a sign.

(Perceval) They said Flight 370 was interpreted as something weird going on...

(L) Yeah...

(Perceval) And maybe it's part of the pressure put on them: they feel that fear, the pressure, and these just make it worse. And they see it again happening, and they go, "Holy shit! What's going on?! Let's set Iraq on fire. That'd be a good solution!"

(L) Fits with their modus operandi.

A: Works for us!

Q: (L) Alright. Very, very interesting.

A: Expect more and more such glitches!

Q: (Data) Are such phenomena only limited to flights?

A: Of course not! Have you been paying attention?

Q: (L) I think they mean that there's all kinds of stuff going on. There's probably lots of stuff disappearing and going weird that we can't even find because we can't...

(Pierre) With the plane, it's visible because there are tracking devices...

(L) That just happens to be something that attracts a lot of attention. And they couldn't cover it up because there were so many air traffic controllers watching and witnessing.

(Perceval) It also depends on what the source of this phenomenon is. It's bleedthrough, or some kind of electromagnetic weirdness, or whatever... And that might not just have the effect of making an airplane disappear, but...

A: Bleedthroughs are EM phenomena.

Q: (L) So, all kinds of EM phenomena... I mean, like even those weird noises with the storms.

(Andromeda) And the looping fireball...

(Pierre) Oh yeah! And lightning strikes hitting cars, weird explosions that nobody hears, um...

(Perceval) Strange sounds.

(Pierre) And it seems that electromagnetic phenomena are perceivable manifestations in our density of bleedthrough {of things going on at 4D}.

(L) Yeah. Oh, the circular fireball. What about this circular fireball? Was it a kind of firecracker?

A: No

Q: (L) Okay. Was it an electromagnetic phenomenon also?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Was there any material substance, i.e. was it a chunk of rock or a meteorite?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) So it was a meteorite caught in some kind of EM... loopy trap?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Loopy trap is now an official...

(L) … technical term!

(Pierre) Yeah, it was spiraling. There was an electric field, and a magnetic field, and...

A: The ancient records speak of such things and much more. Just wait and see. You think you have seen weird?!?

Q: (Perceval) You know what? When I saw that, and I figured it may have been a meteorite doing that kind of thing, then I understood why people in the past like those reported in Baillie's book, why people could ascribe some kind of intelligence to those things.

(L) Of course.

(Perceval) But there's no evidence of them. I mean, WE haven't seen things like that. So why would anybody say it's a god, or it's alive?

(L) What about my book, “The Book of Miracles”? That book is full of some of the weirdest things!

(Andromeda) Yeah!

(L) Are we going to see things like are included in “The Book of Miracles” that I have?

A: Yes indeed!

Q: (Andromeda) Oh boy.

(L) Well that's going to be fun.

(Perceval) I can't wait to hear what the official explanation for them is...

(L) It's gonna get WILD...

(Perceval) That's a new rocket that we developed to go in loops in the sky! And then explode on itself! It's a new technology. It's the Russians!

(L) Let me see if everything I had here is covered...

(Perceval) It's Putin inside a new spaceship!

(L) Okay, my questions are done.

In the beginning there was the comment regarding earth politics, that "This situation signals great danger because it reflects the cosmic situation" and for humans, or some of them that "Cosmic justice is coming", but then what was up with pervious times when humans were not around, but changes were still taking place?

(Chu) I have a question. Linked to the beginning of the session... Starting with dinosaurs, if humans can bring so many disasters to themselves like the Roman civilization, how come there were cometary impacts in the past? So, my theory is there's gotta be something else. Either these things are gonna happen no matter what and people get crazy and start acting in all these weird ways because they sense that something is coming, or/and possibly combined with...

A: You are an experiment! It was necessary for evolutionary progress to proceed, so the dinosaurs had to go!

Q: (Pierre) That's what you wrote in your book. You wrote the dinosaurs were swept away because evolutionarily speaking, they didn't go the right way. Then there is a natural reaction that favors the "right" evolution...

(L) And it's still a natural reaction. We're not that much different from the dinosaurs.

(Chu) So we're bringing it onto ourselves because...

(L) We're part of the living system, and...

(Perceval) But it's not natural in the sense that... Because the first four words are, "You are an experiment!" So, did someone wipe the dinosaurs away so that they could seed the planet with monkeys that could turn into humans?

A: Partly, yes.

Q: (Perceval) They helped it along.

(L) Yeah.

(Chu) So because we're failing, it attracts the event, either bigger event or whatever... That wouldn't happen if the experiment was going right, basically?

A: It would be much ameliorated.

Q: (Perceval) I think the important point is that we're an experiment, so it's not just about the living system. There's some element of being tweaked with, and there being some kind of hyperdimensional influence on human evolution in a negative way.

(L) Okay, so have we covered our questions? Alright.

The following long excerpt is from a session just a few weeks later. The topic that ignites the discussion is the downing of MH17 over what was then eastern Ukraine, which brings the topic back the the disappearance of MH370. The two events are compared with each other as well as with predictions the C's made in the early sessions.

If they had understood that the conditions that were causing bleedthroughs and so on and so forth were a result of their actions and their behaviors globally speaking...
Session 19 July 2014

Q: (L) Okay. We're going to change topics here. As you know, we just had this plane fall out of the sky over the Ukraine. Immediately the US blamed Russia, and then it started blaming the Russian-aided freedom fighters in East Ukraine. Meanwhile, the Russians say it was clearly the Ukrainians in conjunction with US/NATO/UK/Whoever. So, I guess the first thing we ought to ask is: What brought the plane down?

A: [Spiraling] Bomb on the plane placed there prior to departure.

Q: (Pierre) Schiphol airport, again! The famous Underwear Bomber place! So, MOSSAD?

(L) Who was involved?

A: Note change in altitude for "signature".

Q: (Perceval) From 35 to 33...

(L) 33. Is 33 the clue?

A: Yes. Consortium. And who is at the top of this STS pyramid??

Q: (Perceval) Figures.

(L) Who is at the top of this pyramid? And who is at the top?

(Perceval) MOSSAD.

(L) MOSSAD? The Israelis?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) It seems the goal was to further demonize Putin and Russia. But was it also to distract from what's happening in Palestine?

A: Absolutely!

Q: (Pierre) Is it only coincidence... before MH 17, there was MH 370, this plane that disappeared from the same company. Is it just coincidence that the two incidents involve the same airline company?

A: Another "signature".

Q: (Data) Why did the plane deviate from its usual course?

A: Instructed by ATC.

Q: (Perceval) Air traffic control at Schiphol?

A: Kiev.

Q: (Perceval) So, some agent...

(L) There was some control by MOSSAD in Kiev, and that whole Nazi business going on there...

(Kniall) They've been there for DECADES!

A: Yes!

Q: (L) I think that was answering Kniall there.

(Data) Why was it necessary to change the course with a bomb on board?

(L) So it would fall where it did. They had to change the course to put it in the middle of the war zone.

(Ark) The Russians were saying that the timing was a little bit miscalculated because it was supposed to come down closer to the Russian territory so that it would be easier to blame Russia.

A: Yes.

Q: (Pierre) It exploded too early.

(L) Yeah, they're so lazy, they never get anything perfect.

(Chu) Or too impatient.

A: But most people are so gullible it doesn't matter.

Q: (Perceval) You can say that again.

(Kniall) Another signature. That suggests some planning at a level behind the first Malaysian plane...

(L) No it doesn't. It's just like answering back to what happened to that first one.

(Pierre) It's like, "They removed the 370, so we'll bring down the 17!"

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Which is really screwed up when you think about it. The signal is strong, ya know? Okay, we make MH 370 disappear. And the only answer they have instead of behaving better is, "Okay, we bring down MH 17, and we increase even more the lies and suffering!"

(Perceval) So these signatures are used for what? Just for fun? For whose benefit?

A: Pride, hubris, warnings to those who know.

Q: (Chu) On the session when we talked about the interpreters and stuff, the plane {that disappeared, Flight 370}, if I understood correctly, was a message...

(L) It was a warning...

(Chu) To not go too far.

(L) And they've basically answered by saying, "Up yours!"

A: Yes.

Q: (Chu) So would that mean that there really is a "law" that can prevent them from really going full-blown and starting a war?

(L) There's no law that can prevent them, no.

(Chu) They can go to war if they want to. It's just not in their interest to go too far.

(L) I don't think they think about what's in their interest. I think they're too far gone.

(Perceval) Well, hang on... The original idea was that it was some kind of bleedthrough. So, it was a natural thing. It wasn't necessarily a warning from anybody. They just interpreted it that way. They didn't see it as something was telling them, "Don't you dare!"

(L) Yeah, they don't see it that way. But it SHOULD have been a warning IF they had been paying attention.

(Perceval) As in a cause and effect kind of way. If you keep going like this, you're gonna...

(Chu) But the effect would have been that they would have seen it as, "You can't go too far here..."

(L) IF they had understood it. If they had understood that the conditions that were causing bleedthroughs and so on and so forth were a result of their actions and their behaviors globally speaking... If they had understood that, they would have said, "Hmm, weird things are happening. Let's rethink what's going on and what we're doing!" But instead, they interpreted it...

(Pierre) And they did the opposite, and they're raising the ante. They're worsening the situation.

(Perceval) What I was thinking earlier on was that, if the original idea was that they couldn't go too far, as in spark a major war with Russia by sending NATO into the Ukraine or whatever, they backed off from that because of their interpretation of the {disappearance of Flight 370}... As in, a plane went missing, it's a bit dodgy, we don't know what's going on, let's just cool it a bit...

(L) Somebody backed off...

(Perceval) Somebody backed off. So if that's true in that sense, shooting down a plane was like a Plan B or a second option that wasn't the full-scale kind of war {they may have been planning; it was on the level of mass emotional manipulation; an information war as opposed to an actual war. Because it's an all-out information war going on now because of this.

(L) Well, let me ask this: 20 years ago, on 3rd December 1994, you gave a series of short little prophecies. Being so long ago, they kind of hit to the side, but one of the first was, "Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear". The second one was: "Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military." And those two were juxtaposed next to each other, and there was a semicolon and period, and then the next sequence began. The next sequence was a series of earthquakes in California, destruction of California, Mount Lassen, several other volcanoes along the west coast of the US erupting, the sea floor subsiding, and so forth.

{3 Dec 1994: Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. "Time" is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside.

Getting to my question: Was that “Hawaii crash” a reference to what has happened here recently, like for example with MH 370 and MH 17? Even though the original was Hawaii, I would say Malaysia is in the Pacific more or less, so it's kind of sideways... Was that a reference to these events, even that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) So that was seen that far in advance as a marker, as a major event. There's been a lot of stuff that has happened since then that they didn't mention. So, why did that one stand out 20 years ago? Why did this event stand out so strongly? Are we all screwed?

A: Interpretation is key. The elements here are metaphoric. That far in advance it can only be approximate. However, note the confluence of major elements in terms of similarity.

Q: (L) So, Ukraine obviously has been known in advance as a flashpoint, and there is some awareness of... Could it be said that these sorts of things were already in the minds of some planners that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, they change or shift their plans...

(Perceval) When you say planners...

(L) Do you mean human planners?

A: And 4D STS.

Q: (Perceval) The ones who jump around in time and stuff.

(L) So they change things to confuse things. Well, they once said something about how they can change things. They specifically said something about that: moving back and forth in time.

{7 Jan 1996: The forces at work here are far too clever to be accurately anticipated so easily. You never know what twists and turns will follow, and they are aware of prophetic and philosophical patternings and usually shift course to fool and discourage those who believe in fixed futures.}

(Perceval) Can I ask how long in advance this bombing of MH 17 was planned? Like in a practical sense?

(L) Practical sense like right now?

(Perceval) As in today? How long ago did they decide on it?

A: 3 weeks.

Q: (PoB) It was well organized with Kiev moving the ground to air missile launchers closer...

(L) Yeah, they made a plan, and they moved those launchers in place to confuse the issue. They turned them on so that the radar would be read by the Russian detectors, they planted the bomb... That was probably the easiest part: getting the bomb on the plane. The Israelis run that airport. It could have been a timed bomb, or it could have been a triggered bomb. It could have been triggered by the accompanying jets that were seen flying alongside it, assuming they were there.

(Perceval) I wouldn't think that would even be necessary.

(L) It could be just a timer. Hell, it could be set off by dialing a telephone or something.

(Pierre) You know, it's roughly three weeks before... It's roughly the beginning of the Gaza invasion. They're starting to bomb Gaza, and they already know, "Okay, we are going to bomb and kill all those civilians, and there'll be this international uproar. So in two or three weeks, we need to create a diversion. Let’s bring down a plane!"

(Perceval) Or they see how it goes. It's part of the plan...

(Pierre) Yeah, and if necessary, we bring it down.

(Perceval) Were the Israelis or someone working for the Israelis responsible for the murder of those three Israeli teenagers?

A: Yes. How else to get a conflict going?

Q: (Perceval) That's what they've always done.

(Timotheos) Is there any significance to the fact that there were a hundred or so AIDS researchers on board that plane?

(Perceval) Were there that many?

A: Not as many as that.

Q: (Perceval) Yeah, apparently there weren't that many.

A: And, no.

Q: (L) They just were there.

(Perceval) It was just a random plane in the sense that it fit the bill.

(L) And they made sure they didn't have anybody they didn't want to kill on there.

(Perceval) In terms of the propaganda war and the kind of lower-level conflict, I suppose you would say that it is between the US and Russia...

(Kniall) Is there some understanding between the US and Russia that Israel is the wildcard?

(Perceval) No, that's not what I'm thinking of. In terms of these people at the top of the pyramid, do they feel threatened in any way by what Putin and Russia is doing, or is that merely at the lower level of geopolitical chessboard nonsense?

A: They are incapable of seeing outcomes other than what they wish.

Q: (Perceval) I think way back just after 9/11, there was a reference made to the "Russians" having some evidence about 9/11? Is that true, or am I...?

(L) No, that wasn't in the sessions.

(Perceval) Do the Russians have any data on the truth of the 9/11 attacks?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) Would it ever be in the realm of possibility, or within Putin's power to release that kind of information just to mix things up in the information war?

A: Strong possibility if the tide of public perception can be adjusted.

Q: (Pierre) And does that evidence involve the US and/or Israel?

(L) Well, since we have a pretty good idea of who did it, we know the answer to that.

In the continuation of the session, there is a discussion in which some main points are:
[A]s you have learned from your studies of psychology and from the work of Gurdjieff, people with the genetics for "soul" or conscience are very wounded by the programming of family and society. - Is there anything that can change that? - Sure! Work or a huge shock! Some cosmic activity might do it provided the seeds of knowledge have been planted as you have been doing for years now.

The question I wanted to answer is, those shocks due to cosmic activity... Is it because on the psychological level, there is this fear and people are thinking, "Oh, it's real!" And/or because cosmic activity might modify the electromagnetic environment and stimulate shifts in some people? - A little of both.
The whole context is:

(L) [...] Okay, so that leads me to a question that's been on my mind for the last day or so. I noticed that the "Black Hats", the bad guys, the whole pathological community seem to be quite well-organized and unified to some extent in their public activities. For example, Israel is able to get all these students, the Hasbara program; the Pentagon has hired all of these people to engage in cyber warfare; there are trolls that go all over the internet swaying public opinion and writing commentary. Edward Snowden has come out and explained exactly how it's done. I mean, they have a HUGE, elaborate cyber warfare program and train people to get out there and work for the control of people's minds. It's just absolutely staggering. So, one thing about it that really gets me is that first of all, even with this revelation of Snowden that has hit all the major media, people don't stop and think that EVERYTHING that's going on could be part of that disinformation program! The second thing is, why is it that people with peaceful, world-benevolent opinions and approaches - people of conscience - can't get together in the same way that evil does? Evil seems to coalesce, and people of conscience seem to... it's almost like their conscience forces them to fight with each other! I mean, assuming they even have a conscience. What's the deal here? I want to know.

A: First of all notice that the STS side uses two hooks: money and promises of power. It is not so much "unity of purpose." Secondly, just as you have learned from your studies of psychology and from the work of Gurdjieff, people with the genetics for "soul" or conscience are very wounded by the programming of family and society.

Q: (L) So, it's their wounds, their programming, their buffers as Gurdjieff says, that keeps them all pointing in dozens of different directions with different opinions, ideas, wounds, fears, and so on. And that prevents unity. Is there anything that can change that?

A: Sure!

Q: [laughter] (L) What?

A: Work or a huge shock!

Q: (Perceval) A huge shock like a giant fireball? Giant meteorite or an earthquake?

A: Some cosmic activity might do it provided the seeds of knowledge have been planted as you have been doing for years now. As we once said, from the fire comes light. There are several levels of meaning there.

Q: (L) Cosmic fire, maybe?

A: Yes!

Q: (Pierre) Cosmic activity can help this seed to grow?

(Chu) No, I don't think that's what they're saying.

(L) I think they're saying that that's the shock. And if there is a seed there, and if there is any potential in the individual, if the shock doesn't kill them, then...

(Pierre) So the shock due to cosmic activity is what will make the seed grow?

(Ark) No!

(Chu) The seed of knowledge has to be there for people to interpret it, right?

(L) I think they already have to have it inside them, then they get a shock, and then afterwards...

(Pierre) Yeah, the shock makes the seed of knowledge grow...

(Ark) No! The knowledge cannot grow by shock. The knowledge can grow only if you get more truth. Shock may only cause the seed to do some job.

(L) Like what?

(Ark) I mean, because you may know things, know things, know things... and do nothing! And then, there comes shock, and then you realize that your knowledge - you were not using your knowledge!

(Perceval) It seems to me that this might apply to a lot of forum members who have been just quietly absorbing the information, but unable to do anything with it because of all this programming and stuff. The seed of knowledge has been planted in those people, but they haven't actually done anything with it.

(L) But when it becomes real...

(Perceval) When they realize that, "Holy shit, this isn't just theoretical! A fireball just blew the crap out of Washington, DC!"... God willing... [laughter] Suddenly it's true for them, and it may activate the knowledge that they've been growing slowly inside.

(L) In other words, it will kind of like blow the fear away because what's really holding people back is fear: these programs, these buffers. That's what Caesar said last week. He said to be true to your inner nature, and fear nothing. You have to get to the point where you fear nothing. You have to get to the point where you can say “It’s a good day to die” like Black Elk said before going into battle.

(Chu) But there's also the other side of the coin in people who think that things don't apply to them, or they can learn that tomorrow, or...

(L) Or it's happening over there, and not here... That’s why working on SOTT is so important; it provides LOTS of shocks!

(Chu) I was telling people this morning in the kitchen that I watched a video. It's really shocking. It's a meteorite that fell in Argentina. People saw the light, the crater. The authorities covered it up really quick. And you see a hundred people at least, protesting that the authorities are lying, and that it wasn't a gas stove burning the house down. But NONE of them was able to say it was a meteorite because none of them had the frame of reference. And it was SO frustrating hearing these people saying, "People are lying to us! We want the truth!" They were shouting. But none of them, it never occurred to them... They thought it was like a missile, or an attack...

(L) Well, it's like the chemtrails issue. They KNOW that the government is lying to them, and so they create this elaborate conspiracy theory that the government is spraying masses of chemicals in the upper atmosphere. Every single plane that makes a contrail is automatically a chemtrail producer.

(Chu) And it's usually the cosmic connection that is not in people's minds. It has to be the government, it has to be some kind of force or whatever, so it seems to me they're saying it has to be...

(L) Aristotle still holds sway.

(Pierre) The question I wanted to answer is, those shocks due to cosmic activity... Is it because on the psychological level, there is this fear and people are thinking, "Oh, it's real!" And/or because cosmic activity might modify the electromagnetic environment and stimulate shifts in some people?

A: A little of both. And for now Goodbye.

(Perceval) They just took off?

(Ark) That was a shock! [laughter]

(Alana) 9/11 was a shock, right? And so many people like myself included, started... I remember being in Europe and thinking, "I haven't ever been watching the news. Why did this come? Why did this happen?" How many people started asking questions and trying to understand what happened? That's how many people found the forum. It took a shock.

(L) Yeah, so that's one kind of big shock. So, if there gets to be another big, humongous shock, there's going to be a whole different attitude about things; but only if people have the knowledge to parse it.

(Perceval) I think it has to be a shock that isn't selective. It has to be something that can't be dismissed as just happening to "those people over there”. It has to be something that threatens everybody. A visceral kind of "Oh my god! My ass is toast!"

(Chu) Problem with those is that it's usually too late, if it's threatening the entire world.

(L) Well, obviously there's going to be… well... a really big shock would necessarily include death on a massive scale.

(Perceval) But I'm talking here about only the people who, as they said, contained the seed of knowledge that has been planted. The vast majority of people don't even have that.

(Bubbles) Don't the C's have loads of free time? Where did they go?

(L) I think they perceived my tiredness.

(Perceval) They have to go to Intermarche. [laughter] They're out of eggs for their fatbombs.

(Ark) Speaking of these shocks... Okay, people after an earthquake: an earthquake is certainly a shock, but do they wake up in any way after an earthquake?

(L) Not if they don't know something.

(Chu) A lot of people didn't wake up after 9/11 either.

(L) Yeah. So, it's going to be only the people who've had the seeds of knowledge implanted already, and they have been taking root and growing slowly inside them. But they're not yet...

(Perceval) Look at the effects of this recent shock of the plane crashing. The vast majority of people felt it as a shock in some way or another, and it made them MORE authoritarian, more authoritarian followers. It threw them into the arms of the government. Ya know, "Get Putin! He's out to get us!" They basically bought the lie, and went further to the Dark Side just like so many people did on 9/11, buying the government conspiracy theory about 19 Arabs who couldn’t fly.

(Andromeda) They have different seeds.

(Perceval) Exactly. A few people, like on our forum and who read Sott and our work would have felt it as a shock as well. But, because they had the seeds of knowledge about how these things happen and who does them, and that it's all lies, that pushed them further in the direction of waking up and realizing that things are getting serious! It was confirmation that this kind of shit is real, there IS really a cabal, there IS really an STS pyramid, ya know... It's more confirmation for what they already know. And it's a shock.

(Ark) But, but... There is also another thing, because Pierre mentioned electromagnetic whatever. Now, such a shock, what it can do is, it can destroy the programming frequencies of the STS.

(L) Oh yeah.

(Perceval) The frequency fence?

(Ark) And then, because we are all the time blocked from knowing more at higher levels, those who have knowledge and those who don't, being beamed in many ways, by some kind of organized thing…

(L) A cosmic event could definitely destroy the frequency fence.

END OF SESSION

The above session appeared in relation to events that happened in 2014, but several of the perspectives could also serve as commentary on events that have happened later.

When the Cs said above concerning the potential healing of "people with the genetics for "soul" or conscience" who are "very wounded by the programming of family and society", that "Some cosmic activity might do it provided the seeds of knowledge have been planted as you have been doing for years now", then it as an encouragement to keep planting seeds. The following could be taken to mean it would help to provide the opportunity to plant seeds of knowledge in new places and among new people:

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Session 13 January 2024

(thorbiorn) Regarding the C’s statements that the Russians are "unfortunately" utilizing paranormal research very little and there is "unfortunately" no Laura / FOTCM equivalent in the East, is there anything we could do to resolve or make up for this "unfortunate" situation?

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The continuation after the sentence ending "as you have done for years now." which was: "As we once said, from the fire comes light. There are several levels of meaning there." is an invitation to explore the meanings. In this regard consider this passage in the earlier session from Session 14 June 2014:

(Chu) So because we're failing, it attracts the event, either bigger event or whatever... That wouldn't happen if the experiment was going right, basically?

A: It would be much ameliorated.

It would seem then that groups of individuals growing in knowledge can have cosmic consequences. While it may be too late for much amelioration, there are still avenues open for some amelioration, don't you think?

 

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It would seem then that groups of individuals growing in knowledge can have cosmic consequences. While it may be too late for much amelioration, there are still avenues open for some amelioration, don't you think?

Yes I think so, there seem to be pockets of protection that people exist in.